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[Last of the V8s]

Trump to meet the Shining Leader in May/June

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[Rosewater Foundation]

The latest blockchain conference in Shanghai was raided by police. Too many fraudsters were spoiling the bunch

[HairyMaclairy]

The latest blockchain conference in Shanghai was raided by police. Too many fraudsters were spoiling the bunch

It’s a bit more nuanced than that.  China has forex controls making it difficult to export funds.  Bitcoin mining is a no brainer (even at a loss) as it allows locals to defeat forex controls. Mining at a loss is just the price of evading those controls.  That’s why China has dominated mining - it makes economic sense.  Wealthy people need insurance policies including buying property in places like Vancouver.  

As Bitcoin grows more powerful, it becomes more of a threat to forex controls, which undermines the mechanisms by which the CCP maintains control.  Bitcoin is a bit like the fax machine that helped break up the USSR.  

The CCP needs to continue to crack down on Bitcoin to stay in power.  Shit head scammers are just providing cover for the CCP.

[El duderino_]

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[HairyMaclairy]

He just doesn't like free speech. Should stay on reddit.

[ ] Free Speech
[ ] Reddit

Pick one.

Clearly Voat is the solution. 

[strawbs]

Me reading the last ten(s) pages of WO:
....

Seriously, why so many trolls are posting here garbage? Can't you find your forum or what?

Agreed, so much shit being spewed on here.  I'm guessing mostly teenagers who live in a basement and think they have a handle on geopolitics. At least the trolls of the past used to be entertaining. I'm out of here for a few months.  Have fun arguing with each other about Russia and anything other than the BTC price.  Adios.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

Me reading the last ten(s) pages of WO:
....

Seriously, why so many trolls are posting here garbage? Can't you find your forum or what?

Agreed, so much shit being spewed on here.  I'm guessing mostly teenagers who live in a basement and think they have a handle on geopolitics. At least the trolls of the past used to be entertaining. I'm out of here for a few months.  Have fun arguing with each other about Russia and anything other than the BTC price.  Adios.

Wait, can i hold the door open for you ? I´m a gentleman.
Aaand, he´s gone. So much more air suddenly here, i get dizzy from "oxyfication" (just invented that word).
You just have to sit them out.  

[HairyMaclairy]

Yes the ongoing levels of racism are disappointing.  There are some here that confuse free speech with allowing others to take a dump on their living room carpet each day. This thread is not moderated by the US government (afaik) and the First Amendment has no application.

[Rosewater Foundation]

Me reading the last ten(s) pages of WO:
....

Seriously, why so many trolls are posting here garbage? Can't you find your forum or what?

Agreed, so much shit being spewed on here.  I'm guessing mostly teenagers who live in a basement and think they have a handle on geopolitics. At least the trolls of the past used to be entertaining. I'm out of here for a few months.  Have fun arguing with each other about Russia and anything other than the BTC price.  Adios.

Quite a few earlier posters totally disengaged long ago. It really isn't difficult to disrupt a discussion thread.

The Sewerwater Foundation of cuckoldry has spoken.

[Arriemoller]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat. 

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

I think in Thailand you have to be a citizen to buy...you can lease, which is what most foreigners do. Actually most marry a local and the wife buys the property.

The citizen part was what I was worried about. Seems to be that case everywhere. I know that foreigners can buy property in Japan, but it seems like that is only for commercial purposes (such as renting out). Suppose using family could work though (in case there are no decent countries that allow non-citizens to own property for private use).

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

But it´s freaking cold there.

Not in the summer.

[jbreher]

EIP867 has been merged.  Bring on the protocol wars.

https://cryptoticker.io/ethereum-improvement-proposal-867-sparks-fierce-debate/

https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-867.md

Haha. That's funny.

Who decides? Vitalik?

[RoomBot]

And if you complain about migrants on facebook or twitter, you go to jail. At least in germany and england, same pattern everywhere, just a matter of degrees.

Slight exaggeration. If true, the 51.9% of UK population who voted for Brexit primarily due to immigration concerns would be in jail.  You can complain about migrants, it's racism which is illegal and rightly so.

In other news....it's a sea of green in cryptoland  

The problem is the word 'racism' has been changing definitions at least colloquially.

Where it used to mean the belief that one race is superior to another, it now includes people making racial stereotypes.

Plus why on earth should racism be illegal?  A belief should not be illegal.  Acts should be.

Agreed.  If racism was illegal, Trump would never be Prez & all his words would be felonies.

Oh wait!

[Rosewater Foundation]

Yes the ongoing levels of racism are disappointing.

I bet you are one of ((( them ))) 

 

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

[jbreher]

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

Capitalism self-regulates just fine in some cases, like it will determine the number of barbershops in a town. But there are other cases: bank runs, monopolies, etc.

Bank runs are only a problem because banks lend out 50 times more than they have.

Monopolies in capitalistic systems, that are not enabled by the force of law are by definition the most beneficial state possible. The only way they can remain a monopoly is by giving the people superior value.
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[gentlemand]

 My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

[Arriemoller]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat.  

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

Yup, 6 months here 6 there is pretty ideal. I've been doing perpetual summer for the better part of 20 years and its worked out very well.
Depending on the country, ownership of land or house can get tricky, especially in SE Asia it has a particular set of headaches. I prefer to rent/lease long term in Asia which also gives me the option to pick up and go much easier if needed and own in the countries which I have citizenship.    

Just looked out the window.
I envy your lifestyle.

Haha I see that your neck of the woods is ankle deep in shit.  Disgusting, really.  I was depressed by the 12C and fog here, but now I'm laughing a little.  thanks  

It’s a desolate, godless moonscape, totally uninhabitable. If we had dancing girls they’d be eaten by street-wolves.

Come to Thailand. It won´t be worse than this. If you avoid the girls, you´re home free !
And for half the money !
And you can drive around on a Moped, the whole year. That´s what i´m doing.
I´m blessed. No Joke !

Guys, i really can´t see, why you should end your life in such negative places, pack your things, even your family, and move !

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

If you move a cat or dog into Sweden it has to be quarantined for 120 days followed by two months of isolation in the home. There are some bad deceases, among them rabies, that we don't have in Sweden, hence the strict regulations.
And I'm sure other countries have similar laws, that makes it near impossible to move between countries with pets.

[HairyMaclairy]

Yes the ongoing levels of racism are disappointing.

I bet you are one of ((( them ))) 

My real name is Gloria Steinem. 

[jbreher]

Racism is illegal? Despite our problems, I'm often glad I live in America, where at least we have truly free speech.

Whoa there, little buddy - I think you've overshot the mark.

[HairyMaclairy]

I have put a dog through rabies quarantine before.  I think it was six months.  Not nice but the alternatives were much worse.  It was a family run kennel certified by Customs.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

If you say that on an airport, you´ll get arrested immediately  

Btw, i always read "Halal-Food" everywhere. That is food, without food, right ?