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[Rosewater Foundation]

Me reading the last ten(s) pages of WO:
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Seriously, why so many trolls are posting here garbage? Can't you find your forum or what?

Agreed, so much shit being spewed on here.  I'm guessing mostly teenagers who live in a basement and think they have a handle on geopolitics. At least the trolls of the past used to be entertaining. I'm out of here for a few months.  Have fun arguing with each other about Russia and anything other than the BTC price.  Adios.

Quite a few earlier posters totally disengaged long ago. It really isn't difficult to disrupt a discussion thread.

The Sewerwater Foundation of cuckoldry has spoken.

[Arriemoller]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat. 

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

I think in Thailand you have to be a citizen to buy...you can lease, which is what most foreigners do. Actually most marry a local and the wife buys the property.

The citizen part was what I was worried about. Seems to be that case everywhere. I know that foreigners can buy property in Japan, but it seems like that is only for commercial purposes (such as renting out). Suppose using family could work though (in case there are no decent countries that allow non-citizens to own property for private use).

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

But it´s freaking cold there.

Not in the summer.

[jbreher]

EIP867 has been merged.  Bring on the protocol wars.

https://cryptoticker.io/ethereum-improvement-proposal-867-sparks-fierce-debate/

https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-867.md

Haha. That's funny.

Who decides? Vitalik?

[RoomBot]

And if you complain about migrants on facebook or twitter, you go to jail. At least in germany and england, same pattern everywhere, just a matter of degrees.

Slight exaggeration. If true, the 51.9% of UK population who voted for Brexit primarily due to immigration concerns would be in jail.  You can complain about migrants, it's racism which is illegal and rightly so.

In other news....it's a sea of green in cryptoland  

The problem is the word 'racism' has been changing definitions at least colloquially.

Where it used to mean the belief that one race is superior to another, it now includes people making racial stereotypes.

Plus why on earth should racism be illegal?  A belief should not be illegal.  Acts should be.

Agreed.  If racism was illegal, Trump would never be Prez & all his words would be felonies.

Oh wait!

[Rosewater Foundation]

Yes the ongoing levels of racism are disappointing.

I bet you are one of ((( them ))) 

 

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

[jbreher]

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

Capitalism self-regulates just fine in some cases, like it will determine the number of barbershops in a town. But there are other cases: bank runs, monopolies, etc.

Bank runs are only a problem because banks lend out 50 times more than they have.

Monopolies in capitalistic systems, that are not enabled by the force of law are by definition the most beneficial state possible. The only way they can remain a monopoly is by giving the people superior value.
(reply to Phil_S)

[gentlemand]

 My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

[Arriemoller]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat.  

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

Yup, 6 months here 6 there is pretty ideal. I've been doing perpetual summer for the better part of 20 years and its worked out very well.
Depending on the country, ownership of land or house can get tricky, especially in SE Asia it has a particular set of headaches. I prefer to rent/lease long term in Asia which also gives me the option to pick up and go much easier if needed and own in the countries which I have citizenship.    

Just looked out the window.
I envy your lifestyle.

Haha I see that your neck of the woods is ankle deep in shit.  Disgusting, really.  I was depressed by the 12C and fog here, but now I'm laughing a little.  thanks  

It’s a desolate, godless moonscape, totally uninhabitable. If we had dancing girls they’d be eaten by street-wolves.

Come to Thailand. It won´t be worse than this. If you avoid the girls, you´re home free !
And for half the money !
And you can drive around on a Moped, the whole year. That´s what i´m doing.
I´m blessed. No Joke !

Guys, i really can´t see, why you should end your life in such negative places, pack your things, even your family, and move !

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

If you move a cat or dog into Sweden it has to be quarantined for 120 days followed by two months of isolation in the home. There are some bad deceases, among them rabies, that we don't have in Sweden, hence the strict regulations.
And I'm sure other countries have similar laws, that makes it near impossible to move between countries with pets.

[HairyMaclairy]

Yes the ongoing levels of racism are disappointing.

I bet you are one of ((( them ))) 

My real name is Gloria Steinem. 

[jbreher]

Racism is illegal? Despite our problems, I'm often glad I live in America, where at least we have truly free speech.

Whoa there, little buddy - I think you've overshot the mark.

[HairyMaclairy]

I have put a dog through rabies quarantine before.  I think it was six months.  Not nice but the alternatives were much worse.  It was a family run kennel certified by Customs.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

If you say that on an airport, you´ll get arrested immediately  

Btw, i always read "Halal-Food" everywhere. That is food, without food, right ?

[Arriemoller]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

Also being overrun by muslim immigrants that are increasingly incompatible with civilized societies, but the Swedes are so cucked, they're bending over and taking it, while saying "Thank you. Can I have another ?"

I can't believe what's happening over there in Europe.

It's terrifying to me.

How's tax day coming along fellow Americans?

Much poorer Filed and paid online. Already had both the FY17 and Q1FY18 payments sucked out of my accounts by the IRS this morning.

Sadface.

One more year of "painful" tax returns with all the BTC selling I've done for retirement purposes this year, but have no concerns with meeting those obligations - especially with making a small estimated payment for Q1FY18.

Pay your estimated quarterly tax, folks. It saves you a lot of butthurt when you file at the end of the year.

You shouldn't believe everything you read Bob.

[marcus_of_augustus]

 My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

My real name is satoshi nakamoto and I can't even get a free lunch. I'm not saying it's racism but it's racism.

[gentlemand]

My real name is satoshi nakamoto and I can't even get a free lunch. I'm not saying it's racism but it's racism.

Your work is done, grandad. Now push off and leave it to the cool kids.

[HairyMaclairy]

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

My real name is satoshi nakamoto and I can't even get a free lunch. I'm not saying it's racism but it's racism.

Craig.  You have had quite enough free lunches.

[slowlyslowly]

Racism is illegal? Despite our problems, I'm often glad I live in America, where at least we have truly free speech.

Whoa there, little buddy - I think you've overshot the mark.

agree with jbreher that you are way out of line.
 there is a very interesting "debate" going on in Australia at the moment where a famous sports player has said because of his religious beliefs he must speak out about homosexuals and how bad they are. Those with much saner minds have pushed back at what he has said including the top referee who is openly gay.  You cannot be racist or anything else just on the grounds that you can say things because you have the right to free speech. What you say should have consequences. There is a famous saying that Kennedy used and I am sure he was a very patriotic President and a supporter of free speech in America. " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

[pfrtlpfmpf]

My real name is Rosenberg Waterstein. Do your worst.

My birth name is Halal Al-Jihad and I'm still very surprised at the easy ride I get here.

My real name is satoshi nakamoto and I can't even get a free lunch. I'm not saying it's racism but it's racism.

You sir, deserve a Merit.

[HairyMaclairy]

There a couple of possibilities here.  

We either have a minimum standard of behaviour (no genocide allowed) or we can fork the thread.  I don’t doubt our good moderator has the best of intentions but it is embarrassing to be associated with some of this stuff, even if only anonymously.  Ain’t nobody got time for Stormfront Word Salad. 

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

He just doesn't like free speech. Should stay on reddit.

[ ] Free Speech
[ ] Reddit

Pick one.

Clearly Voat is the solution.  

yeah, but what I find fun with markets is that it can stay irrational more than you solvable meaning that it's not because reddit is a hive of censorship that there can't be jems there .


this topic illustrate it : Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers.

[...]
As a scientist myself, it became clear to me that the contrarians were not capable of providing the science to support their “skepticism” on climate change. The evidence simply does not exist to justify continued denial that climate change is caused by humans and will be bad. There is always legitimate debate around the cutting edge of research, something we see regularly. But with climate change, science that has been established, constantly tested, and reaffirmed for decades was routinely called into question.

Over and over, solid peer-reviewed science was insulted as corrupt, while blog posts from fossil-fuel-funded groups were cited as objective fact. Worst of all, they didn’t even get the irony of quoting oil-funded blogs that called university scientists biased.

The end result was a disservice to science and to rational exploration, not to mention the scholarly audience we are proud to have cultivated. When 97 percent of climate scientists agree that man is changing the climate, we would hope the comments would at least acknowledge if not reflect such widespread consensus. Since that was not the case, we needed more than just an ad hoc approach to correct the situation.

The answer was found in the form of proactive moderation. About a year ago, we moderators became increasingly stringent with deniers. When a potentially controversial submission was posted, a warning would be issued stating the rules for comments (most importantly that your comment isn’t a conspiracy theory) and advising that further violations of the rules could result in the commenter being banned from the forum.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/reddits-science-forum-banned-climate-deniers-why-dont-all-newspapers-do-the-same/



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In other scientific news CRYOSAT SATELLITE FINDS ARCTIC ICE INCREASED 50% IN VOLUME


Around 90 per cent of the increase is due to retention of older ice
This year’s multi-year ice is now around 30 cm thicker than last year
Experts claim increase does not indicate a reversal in long-term trends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2524770/ESA-satellite-reveals-polar-ice-INCREASED-50-year.html

it wasn't even merited, from 2013

obama started the total censorship very early in his watch, as soon as DJT asked a simple question. I know where DJT was born and raised... more exactly, I learn from him when he speaks about it... but I don't need to proof any of that... I believe him .

obama started his total censorship campaign with a french satire... strange how it went hebdo later on...

someone wanted to spill the bean on the guidestonians?

There a couple of possibilities here.  

We either have a minimum standard of behaviour (no genocide allowed) or we can fork the thread.  I don’t doubt our good moderator has the best of intentions but it is embarrassing to be associated with some of this stuff, even if only anonymously.  Ain’t nobody got time for Stormfront Word Salad.  

why do you believe your opinion is worth writting? did someone do it for you? hehehe. loser.