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[HairyMaclairy]

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

That's nice. Get in line with all the other law-abiding folk looking to do the same.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

Absolutely.

Ok.  And you would be ok with this despite the impact on the economy - particularly agriculture and construction? Many farmers and building companies would be wiped out because they cannot survive without cheap labor.  I have also worked on quarter horse ranches in the US and I know how much the horse industry depends on migrant labor.

Like Brexit, effective US immigration controls could cause a recession. You are cool with all this?

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[bitcoinPsycho]

Cheap labor is slave labor

[jojo69]

Everything else is irrelevant.

I don't really think that is so.

And yes, I do support the wall.

[Searing]

Your taxes helped poor people and an overwhelming amount of illegal aliens get basic healthcare!?

FTFY. Would rather have put ACA money into building the wall, to mitigate the arguable open border and flood of illegal immigration we are dealing with.

Also, I draw the line at my tax dollars being used for third trimester abortions, in the name of "basic healthcare".

Hi Bob

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

Not true in the last couple of years....lots of women with kids and families....the countries they are running from are a cesspool...even being stranded in Mexico
and never making it to the USA is preferable for most...

but the law says in the USA if you present yourself to Immigration authorities and can prove you are in danger...you can get a  hearing on staying in the USA...so

IMHO it is not the people coming ..it is the lack of diplomatic and other efforts in the countries they are coming from that are unraveling...

only going to get worse with climate change and the wars for resources I see coming in the next 20 years....

[El duderino_]

Many farmers and building companies would be wiped out because they cannot survive without cheap labor.

Capitalism always finds a way.

McDonalds employees started to demand $15 an hour, and were replaced by robots.

Good I stoped @ 14.99 and didn't demand more

[HairyMaclairy]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off. 

[HairyMaclairy]

Ok thanks.  I just wanted to test that.

In my experience, conservatives like to make a fuss about immigration but aren’t willing to deal with the economic consequences of turning off immigration.  So they deliberately avoid taking effective measures to stop immigration.  

I can respect your clear and consistent thinking on this point, so appreciate your responses.

[VB1001]

Do you want a monthly statistic in WO?

Hi I like this.  But it would be great to take it back as far as possible, so we can compare price growth and post count and see if a possible leading indicator. 

If this is the objective, an quote of the historical and an quote of the current year, published on the 1st of each month.

First I want to know if this information is interesting in the WO thread.

Thx.

[bitserve]

Cheap labor is slave labor

That's an exageration... and you know it.

[Torque]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off.  

Justifying people living in a country illegally, sidestepping all the immigration laws, dodging taxes, and gaining all the benefits of a U.S. citizen therein because "cheap labor" and "other reasons" isn't really a valid argument. It's cognitive dissonance. It's also bullshit.

Also, so legal citizens in the U.S. now too privileged and snobby for manual labor? Bloodly hell, American was founded on that shit.

[Febo]

Why are countries currently holding Bitcoin? Are they confiscated Bitcoins or what?
Even Israel has a bunch...

Yes of course. Trials last for years and in that time they are not allowed to sell them and in that time a million USD become multi millions.

There were recently also rumors that Russia is buying Bitcoin.

[HairyMaclairy]

Cheap labor is slave labor

That's an exageration... and you know it.

Slave labor in the USA:  https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2017/forced-labor-more-common-us-you-might-think/56461

[HairyMaclairy]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off.  

Justifying people living in a country illegally, sidestepping all the immigration laws, dodging taxes, and gaining all the benefits of a U.S. citizen therein because "cheap labor" and "other reasons" isn't really a valid argument. It's cognitive dissonance. It's also bullshit.

Also, so legal citizens in the U.S. now too privileged and snobby for manual labor? Bloodly hell, American was founded on that shit.

I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  If you suddenly stop migrant labor and remove all the migrants, you are going to fuck up your economy while you restructure to higher wages due to decreased labor supply.  It’s Economics 101.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour. Edit: I don’t want to do it either.

[siggy_77]

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

In the interests of National Security, yes.

the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.

Meanwhile, in Mugabe's Africa...

Apparently I'm taking a day off from my no-politics on forums rule...

I'm totally with BobLawBlaw on this one...  

 

[Torque]

I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  

A fact that needs to change. Even it crashes the local economy. America will adapt, always has, always will.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour.  

And that's their whole fucking problem, isn't it? Coddled, spoiled, privileged, sitting on their fat asses drinking their $4 lattes and eating $7 avocado toast and $9 millionaire's bacon. All the while crying about illegals taking their jobs.

But no worries, when the world economy goes to shit... they'll learn... by picking free grown bell peppers in the blazing sun out of their back yards just to eat.

[Hueristic]

Damn can't catch up today. Watched the MU/BAR game and gotta say that MU team looked like shit. But that is only the second game I've ever watched. I was pretty bored most of the time. I haven't figured out quit a few things like why the clock runs up! I didn't have a clue when the time would be up for the end of the game. HA When they started a second clock I figured that had something to do with the end and it didn't look like MU even tried to tie. 1-0 was really a let down. But the Barcelona team looked like they knew what they were doing.

You should have watched the other match. Poor choice on your part

just watch the returns next week, I think there will be fireworks in Man city and in Juventus

But not every game has 4-5 goals.... still Man U-Barca was a bit boring, I expected a bit more....

But don't only look for goals, also watch the game play, passing, accuracy, intensity, geniality etc  (you will get it)

I did, BAR seemed to be moving the ball well with control a large portion of the time (in comparison)while MU looked like a bunch of fools stumbling in the dark.

By returns you mean highlights?

Well at Casino with not much time just wanted to drop in and say STFU JJG!

[Hueristic]

That Barca team is nowhere near as good as past Barca teams. They look slow & they take chances at the back. Good luck if they leave that much space in the potential semi final vs Mane, Salah & Firmino.

We will tear them a new ass hole.

Edit - On topic, we are going dowwwnnnnnnn!

Yeah, you guys looked good last week, hope I catch the next game.

[Toxic2040]

Good morning all.

A surprise counter-offensive by the Bears has allied forces reeling back on their heels. Strong support developing in the $5k range is giving our troops a fighting chance but overall moral is crumbling. A pull back to previous levels seems all most certain at this point.

As the Bulls retreat and gather up in that classic herd mentality, some say all hope is not yet lost. Rumors of the deployment of a top secret weapon later today continue to swirl around the compound. Stay tuned for further updates as they become available.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program.


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[infofront]

Many farmers and building companies would be wiped out because they cannot survive without cheap labor.

Capitalism always finds a way.

McDonalds employees started to demand $15 an hour, and were replaced by robots.

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

That's nice. Get in line with all the other law-abiding folk looking to do the same.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

Absolutely.

on immigration I think we have to be honest with ourselves and acknowledge our part in it.

I acknowledge that we have a serious security problem on our southern border. Everything else is irrelevant.

I agree with you 100%

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Good evening WO!
How are we doing?