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Question: What happens first:
New ATH - 43 (69.4%)
<$60,000 - 19 (30.6%)
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June 14, 2022, 01:11:52 AM

Eh, 200 WMA?

btw, what is the biggest-ever % dip below 200 WMA, other than the Covid crash which I do not think can be compared to any other event in the past few decades?  Off the top of my head, I do not know.  I know it could scrape along a little bit below it for awhile, without setting any new precedents.
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June 14, 2022, 01:12:14 AM

Normally the poll option with the least votes gets it right.

I'm hoping that's how it works for this poll, above $21k.

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$21,001-$22,000    1 (3.1%)
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June 14, 2022, 01:15:10 AM

remember "the herd is coming" ?  Roll Eyes

This is what it looks like when they're leaving ...


welcome to 21k...  probably last cycle's ATH next...   100k EOY  Cool
Well it still can hit 20k. And now way we're getting 100k this year with the crazy 8-9% annual inflation rates being reported every month.
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June 14, 2022, 01:40:33 AM

Sell and buy back immediately, harvest losses...if your trading vol is high enough,  the fees should be  low enough. HIFO with losses harvested make for the best strategy, IMO for US tax payers

Gotta be careful to not screw yourself with short-term vs long-term cap gains though. Loss carry-over is also a potential issue.

yes, those $3K/year are not very generous, lol

but if a 20k sale creates a 40k loss then if you buy it back

and the 20 k rallies to 80k you can sell 40k in under a year with no tax.

and have 20k left over.

maybe 40 leftover, but yea, pretty much so.
It's just difficult to time the trades well.
You blink and could be buying 5K above your sell.
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June 14, 2022, 01:44:56 AM

JUST IN – Brazilian Congressman introduces bill to recognize bitcoin and crypto as means of payment 🇧🇷


Source: https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1536451596640473090
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June 14, 2022, 02:03:14 AM

I feel something beginning to resemble a pain sensation.

Curious.
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June 14, 2022, 02:08:10 AM

I feel something beginning to resemble a pain sensation.

Curious.

What's your LN node routing stats looking like today? I was hoping for a significant increase in traffic, but not seeing that.. seems rather stable, if anything, less busy the last 24 hours...
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June 14, 2022, 02:15:44 AM

I feel something beginning to resemble a pain sensation.

Curious.

I think that's the reason why I have a hard time following your reasonable advice to go in hibernation during bear markets.


It's a bit like watching the injured of a bad accident ...but with the twist that one the casualties is myself
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June 14, 2022, 02:19:18 AM

Eh, 200 WMA?

btw, what is the biggest-ever % dip below 200 WMA, other than the Covid crash which I do not think can be compared to any other event in the past few decades?  Off the top of my head, I do not know.  I know it could scrape along a little bit below it for awhile, without setting any new precedents.

look at july + august 2020
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June 14, 2022, 02:21:57 AM
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Eh, 200 WMA?

btw, what is the biggest-ever % dip below 200 WMA, other than the Covid crash which I do not think can be compared to any other event in the past few decades?  Off the top of my head, I do not know.  I know it could scrape along a little bit below it for awhile, without setting any new precedents.

covid (march 2020) was the biggest, went to 300 WMA on a wick.
average was 5.3K, went to 3.8K, so about 28% below 200 WMA.
The equivalent (on a wick) would be about 15.8K (just numbers, no prediction whatsoever).
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June 14, 2022, 02:32:15 AM

If anyone works out who is responsible for this, a swift kick in the nuts is in order.
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June 14, 2022, 02:34:09 AM

JUST IN – Brazilian Congressman introduces bill to recognize bitcoin and crypto as means of payment 🇧🇷


Source: https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1536451596640473090
It sure isn't going to pass now, maybe when it was close to it's ATH
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June 14, 2022, 02:47:56 AM

A thought occured: M. Saylor is a giant death_wish...sorry, pal.
wtf did he (M.S) got so much on margin?
Should have just bought in cash+ a little (or none) on margin.
Now, obviously WS 'wants' to liquidate his position as they always do with all margins.

There must be a player or players behind this and it all point to one in particular...
..Who was the person who said that bitcoin cannot do transactions recently?
Where did celsius funds go?
Make your own conclusions.
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June 14, 2022, 02:52:10 AM
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Normally the poll option with the least votes gets it right.

I'm hoping that's how it works for this poll, above $21k.

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Where is the bottom?

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$21,001-$22,000    1 (3.1%)


That was me... and apparently I was wroooooooong! (again)
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June 14, 2022, 02:56:29 AM

BTC touched $20s. I didn't expected anything below 200 WMA but I think weekly close will be above it for sure i.e. $22k at this point.
If we get a close below 200 WMA, I would think it is then going to touch the major support trendline which is at $14.3k.
I am already all-in (Spot), I will try to get some money to buy anything under 18k.
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Cognac makes everything look cheerier.  I should stop writing soon...  I have never drunkposted here before, lol.

If it means anything, I don't think I have ever soberposted here before... \_/
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June 14, 2022, 03:06:55 AM

To answer my own question—and ask if I am in error; if so, please tell me:

It looks like the biggest dip below 200 WMA other than the Covid crash was 25 August 2015, 200 WMA $232.66 BTC, price $214.71.

That occurred shortly after the Hearn/XT situation exploded.  Except for some short periods of false hopes, it took Bitcoin over a month to stabilize above 200 WMA; otherwise, it dragged along the line, slightly above and slightly below.

The proportionate % equivalent now with 200 WMA at about $22.3k is a drop to around $20,500 or $20,600.

The hard numbers are from surfing around.  I need better data myself, and would appreciate if anyone can show me a place to download reliable numbers to crunch.

Eh, 200 WMA?

btw, what is the biggest-ever % dip below 200 WMA, other than the Covid crash which I do not think can be compared to any other event in the past few decades?  Off the top of my head, I do not know.  I know it could scrape along a little bit below it for awhile, without setting any new precedents.

covid (march 2020) was the biggest, went to 300 WMA on a wick.
average was 5.3K, went to 3.8K, so about 28% below 200 WMA.
The equivalent (on a wick) would be about 15.8K (just numbers, no prediction whatsoever).

Thanks for the numbers.  However, as I stated in the quote, I do not think that the situation can be compared to the Covid crash.

In mid-March of 2020, there was global mass-hysteria.  People were crying that the world was ending.  People were panic-selling gold (wtf!?) and panic-buying toilet paper (literal toilet paper—no, I do not only mean the U.S. Dollar shitcoin).  In that context, all markets crashed—and Bitcoin suffered its worst-ever black swan crash.

What we are now suffering is the inevitable after-effect of extremely poor financial decisions that were made in that context, on a grand scale, by central banks and by governments.

I do not think it can be compared to Covid itself.  Therefore, I exclude the Covid crash as an outlier in considering previous crosses of the 200 WMA line.



Have people forgotten the extreme fear that was in the air just over two short years ago?

An interesting datum:  mindrust expressed a belief that, in effect, the only thing that could stop Bitcoin from going to zero ($0.00) was the rapid discovery of a cure for Covid.  (It wasn’t the only thing he said; he, and many others, were wildly confused and self-contradictory at that time.)

He was far from alone.  End-of-the-world hysteria and wild irrationality were the New Normal, at that moment.  So, Biodom, Bitcoin went 28% below 200 WMA.  I also recall having seen discussion that the flash-crash briefly cut through the order books as low as $2400 or $2500 for (IIRC) the better part of an hour on some exchanges.  That is a pretty bad wick of about 53% below 200 WMA, not comparable to anything before or since.  (Of course, there is no such thing as one “Bitcoin price”.)


look at july + august 2020

Sorry, what?  We were far above 200 WMA at that time; it was not even a bear market.
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June 14, 2022, 03:08:31 AM

What's your LN node routing stats looking like today? I was hoping for a significant increase in traffic, but not seeing that.. seems rather stable, if anything, less busy the last 24 hours...

Kinda poopy day for fees today.

Will barely scrape through with 300sats in fees on the daily, so far over 31 routings.

I should really be more greedy...
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