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December 28, 2022, 10:42:44 PM

Quite funny from both sides.

'How dare you?!' Humiliated Andrew Tate snaps back at Greta Thunberg after teenage eco-warrior says the Big Brother contestant-turned-influencer has 'small d*** energy' and should 'get a life' in savage putdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11579157/Greta-Thunberg-takes-Andrew-Tate-says-toxic-influencer-small-d-k-energy.html

Am I the only one sensing some weird sexual tension between these two and is just my dirty mind?
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OT: I had a cocky neighbor that rushed into building a very expensive second garage project during 2020-2021, when lumber and materials prices went 4X.

I spoke to him last year, and he said to me "Well ya know, lumber prices are never going to return to what they were (pre-Covid era). Because inflation."

Just checked. Lumber prices are back to 2016-2017 levels:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/lumber-price?op=1

Oops.

Like with most things I think demand vs supply eventually re-balances things somewhat in most non BTC markets. We saw ridiculous prices for stupid second hand Teslas, even higher than brand new orders at times, due to demand. Now they are far more realistic.

I guess the only thing that the west are managing to con people in with now are energy prices. There was a recent warning from the Dutch Shell CEO that they will struggle to re-fill gas reserves in Europe for next winter. This seems to have gone unnoticed in most major news outlets. And if that happens and the Ukraine war continues (some possible routes to negotiations we've heard recently but no certainties) things could get pretty bad / unaffordable.

You would have thought eventually a complete lack of demand would plummet energy prices here in Europe, but the stupid ridiculous bets on green energy, which often don't work at all in winter and the stupid sanctions and energy caps on Russian oil (and gas soon probably - only leads to less production) probably means it is the only market where that type of re-balancing isn't going to happen, no matter how sky high the prices go.

Who knows.

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OT: I had a cocky neighbor that rushed into building a very expensive second garage project during 2020-2021, when lumber and materials prices went 4X.

I spoke to him last year, and he said to me "Well ya know, lumber prices are never going to return to what they were (pre-Covid era). Because inflation."

Just checked. Lumber prices are back to 2016-2017 levels:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/lumber-price?op=1

Oops.

Like with most things I think demand vs supply eventually re-balances things somewhat in most non BTC markets. We saw ridiculous prices for stupid second hand Teslas, even higher than brand new orders at times, due to demand. Now they are far more realistic.

I guess the only thing that the west are managing to con people in with now are energy prices. There was a recent warning from the Dutch Shell CEO that they will struggle to re-fill gas reserves in Europe for next winter. This seems to have gone unnoticed in most major news outlets. And if that happens and the Ukraine war continues (some possible routes to negotiations we've heard recently but no certainties) things could get pretty bad / unaffordable.

You would have thought eventually a complete lack of demand would plummet energy prices here in Europe, but the stupid ridiculous bets on green energy, which often don't work at all in winter and the stupid sanctions and energy caps on Russian oil (and gas soon probably - only leads to less production) probably means it is the only market where that type of re-balancing isn't going to happen, no matter how sky high the prices go.

Who knows.

 Roll Eyes

The thing is, here in the U.S. people just don't get it.

They first gave Americans huuge amounts of free stimmy money (thousands of $$$ per household).

Then second they proceeded to run up the price of everything that people would actually WANT to spend that money ON:

Houses, new cars, used cars, luxury goods, luxury watches (Rolexes, etc.), lumber/building supplies, appliances, natural gas, petrol, etc.

The MSM said it was "unprecedented demand" that was running up the prices of those things. It wasn't.

It was the establishment creating artificial supply constraints, and also artificially running up the price of all those things, in order to fleece the very people they just gave free money to. The FOMO that was created didn't help.
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Quite funny from both sides.

'How dare you?!' Humiliated Andrew Tate snaps back at Greta Thunberg after teenage eco-warrior says the Big Brother contestant-turned-influencer has 'small d*** energy' and should 'get a life' in savage putdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11579157/Greta-Thunberg-takes-Andrew-Tate-says-toxic-influencer-small-d-k-energy.html

Am I the only one sensing some weird sexual tension between these two and is just my dirty mind?

I think this interaction pretty much seals the idea that Greta Thunberg's Dad is the one in charge of her social accounts.  It's pretty crazy how a Dad using his disabled daughter to attack climate change got such a massive response around the world.  Why have I heard of this girl?  I really don't understand what she's ever done besides criticize climate change with knowledge that was obvious out of her grasp.  Sure, it's a feel good story, but it was a 15 minutes of fame thing.  Now that everyone should be very clear she's a puppet being used by her Dad to further his agenda, I hope we can let these limelight seekers fade away.
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December 28, 2022, 11:43:11 PM

Andrew Tate
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Strange as it may seem, there is a teenager out there who believes your government should tax you into poverty to stop the sun from being hot.
https://twitter.com/cobratate/status/1608205257934258176


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.....The difference between fiat and crypto is.....

What about the difference between crypto and bitcoin?  Would that be important to mention?  

Fact of the matter remains, for this here cat, I don't even know what the fuck "crypto" is...   so there's that angle, too.  Or is it just me? (rhetorical question)

P.S... As pointed out by Gachapin (here).. I can understand how the original cited satire article (from the Onion) might purposefully convolute the idea of bitcoin and crypto... (though I am not sure about the extent to which their convolution was purposeful. .. I would speculate that a satire article is purposeful in its choice of words - though of course, it cannot be expected that a satirist would automatically (and in all scenarios) understand the significance of his/her chosen words)

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..... you come in a place swarming with liars, and honestly enough, you say “gimme some of that action”.

oh gawd..  Roll Eyes

you two should get a room, and discuss (#homo)...

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

How about I buy you a beer for Xmas kiddo? [you know alcohol concentrated sugar, is not good for you, right?]

That's a good start.

Get in the mood first.


Feel free to drop me an address, privately. And please, make fucking sure that no fucking merits are involved in the process.

Oh my..   Shocked Shocked Shocked you are really serious about proposing to meet.. ... fuck both of you twats...

Hopefully, guys around here are careful about their Opsec, even retards like the two of you.  Some of these retards, even one or both of the two of you, might actually be innocent (even if they are sometimes (or even frequently) annoying).
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December 28, 2022, 11:49:48 PM

This seems to have gone unnoticed in most major news outlets.

Let me add another one.
Common pharmaceutical drug shortages. What’s amazing, no-one seems to know why.




Am I the only one sensing some weird sexual tension between these two and is just my dirty mind?

Gee, like I’ve never heard that one before.

Zero merits for the eco-slut. Tension?
Nah, she would just love riding one of those cars, as he would love riding her in return. That should ease up any potential tension and conflict.
Love in the making. Tongue




It was the establishment creating artificial supply constraints, and also artificially running up the price of all those things, in order to fleece the very people they just gave free money to. The FOMO that was created didn't help.

+1 WO’s merit.




I think this interaction pretty much seals the idea that Greta Thunberg's Dad is the one in charge of her social accounts.  It's pretty crazy how a Dad using his disabled daughter to attack climate change got such a massive response around the world.  Why have I heard of this girl?  I really don't understand what she's ever done besides criticize climate change with knowledge that was obvious out of her grasp.  Sure, it's a feel good story, but it was a 15 minutes of fame thing.  Now that everyone should be very clear she's a puppet being used by her Dad to further his agenda, I hope we can let these limelight seekers fade away.

Let me see if I got this straight, Greta’s father CraVeS fOr AnDrEw’s DiCk?

#just.kidding
#Greta.puppet



It’s nice to read actual human beings for a change.
Fuck off Jay.
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Anyway. Once I'm all set, I'll start a new node and open a new channel to my fellow WO LN-operators (you guys know who you are)

FWIW, probably noticed my node is down as well.

I had a crisis of confidence with Umbrel, and decided it was better to claw everything back into my "play" wallet.

TOR is a fucking disaster for LN, IMO. The performance is just shit vs clearnet.

Not sure how to resolve this moving forward, but it's doubtful I'll be running an LN node off our clearnet home IP at some point in the future, and even less of a chance I spin up a node on a VPS provider.

I tried.

Took a 400k sat loss after all was said and done.

Learned a lot - like I should probably not involve myself with lightning for at least another halvening.

You helped me a lot to decide that i will not get my hands on LN in the near future.
I'm more busy with real life lately, but i have read about the shit that's going on to happen around the farm project.
I can only reccomend to go more often to the inside of you. Too much messy stuff for too long will grind you up sooner or later.
Reserve a little time to live a simple, relaxed life, if possible. What do youreally  need to just feel good? Yourself and your loved ones inside a space of "timelessness".
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~ AI bullshit ~

You realise that the more we interact, the more exposed you become?
I have damaged you, and anyone with two eyes and reading capabilities, can see it.

Well done, you dumb fuck!
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If the steady downward continues there are chances 2023 to end up with lower prices than now. And this will cast a doubt whether the halving will lead to a new ATH. May be this will be the first time for this pattern to break?

The "pattern" has already broken.

In other words, there is no pattern.    Tongue Tongue Tongue

Who would'a thunk?

There's no pattern.. even though there are outcomes that are more probable than others, including price pressures that are still motivated in a kind of pattern that is not a pattern because no specifics are guaranteed.

But I'm a bit sceptical about the exent of the next bull run.

Yes.. you mentioned that before.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So, I expect the next bull run to start somewhere in 2025

Oh gawd.. we have to wait that long?

fuck.

I am wondering what you consider "start" of a bullrun?  Do you mean when the BTC has bottomed and starts to go up, or does the BTC price already have to get "above certain price thresholds" before qualifying for the "start of the bullrun?"

with a possible delay to 2029 if there are other major issues.

Damned.

And there might be a delay too..

double fuck.

Then the bear market will come again, unless all the above scenarious change by then. I dream of a world with Bitcoin recognized as the only true money and becoming invincible to any FUD. Bitcoin survived all kind of trials and storms, and it will survive any other storm on the way. So, no need to worry about fiat savings and expenses. Just keep hodling+DCAing and all will be fine.

Well, at least there's that.  will just keep buying, just in case your dream comes true.

~ AI bullshit ~

You realise that the more we interact, the more exposed you become?
I have damaged you, and anyone with two eyes and reading capabilities, can see it.

Well done, you dumb fuck!

Aren't you the smartest person (the most special unique lil snowflake) that I never did meet?  Thank god that I never did meet uie-pooie.

Only Bitcoin for her !!!


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You really deserve a batslappening for that crap.
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Buddy almost has me back in range for a 16.5 4x dca buy.

Come buddy just a bit more.

we are waiting on a  S19j pro as part of my btc gear.

and we have the Friday nite dca in effect.

So Nov and Dec of 2022 have been golden for accumulation.


Here's hoping for a very slow sideways descent for 2 more months.

Then maybe a slow sideways lift for 2 more months.  Basically 4 months in the 14.8k to 18k slot would get me nicely setup. I would have added a lot more hashing. And a lot more Coins.

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 Apparently there are 3 prevailing theories for the direction of BTC.
 1 BTC tanks further and doesn't recover to a new ATH until 2028
 2 BTC has bottomed and we make a new ATH at the end of 2024 and peak bull in 2025 (traditional cycle) *
 3 BTC hasn't bottomed (a black swan event causes further declines) but we still make a new ATH at the end of 2024 and peak bull in 2025 (traditional cycle with a near death experience? lol)
* bitboy's prediction.
 It's a lot of sideways and maybe some down followed by some up.  
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I think scenario 2 or 3 are most likely. I’m leaning towards scenario 3, I think more pain due to the situation the world financial markets are in. The US haven’t even admitted we’re in a recession yet.
I agree. Scenarios 2 and 3 are the most probable, with 3 being the one I'm preparing myself for. As for the years he mentions (for 2 and 3), I believe they are spot on (i.e., ATH in late 2024 and mega-bull in 2025). Scenario 1's ATH/bull of 2029-2030 is far too bearish and will be a total break from the 4-year cycle.

We are talking about 2-3 years of waiting, which is nothing really. And if scenario 3 is the one that plays out, 2023 will be the perfect year to accumulate cheap corn.

There's gotta be some other reasonably plausible scenarios in there, too..  No?.. but hey I am not going to draw them out... .. and sure, maybe part of Bitboy's point would be to set forth a kind of framework to point out what he considers the most likely scenarios that are being presented at the time that he is mapping them out.  

Generally speaking.. no problem with that.

That's both not going to happen, and it is dumb.
We can agree that it’s not going to happen.
Why is it dumb though? Care to elaborate?

Holy fuck.. I already had explained this point, which largely boils down to assessing the extent to which a system would be completely thrown out when it seems to be sufficiently and adequately addressing issues that it had intended to address regarding account farming, scams, spams, shills etc...

Yeah it does not perform any kind of perfect job, but you are largely just proclaiming that the solution is to scrap it with a kind of implied solution that would be go back to pre-merit-system status.  There might be other reasons that it is dumb too.. but I had already described the essence of the matter, and yeah, maybe you disagree with the facts.. so then you better fucking convince theymos about the supposed problem that you perceive.

Easy solutions need to be smart and practical too, and also to have the potential of at least not making things worse.  What you propose seems to make things worse... and probably because you fail/refuse to see that the current merit system is already providing a benefit in terms of reducing scammers, spammers and shills - which seems to be most of the reason that it was introduced.
The solution to abolish the merit system altogether is very simple. I don’t understand why it needs to be practical, yet alone “smart”.
I don’t “fail” or “refuse” to see that it’s corrupted, and that it serves one purpose and one only. Enabling scammers.

I doubt that theymos even close to perceives it the way that you supposedly do.  Furthermore, you seem to have little to no appreciation regarding the value of goodwill that is created on a forum and the sometimes balancing that is attempted when change goes into effect.  Sure maybe if theymos  was more rash (as you seem to want him to be), then he would scare away longer term members by treating them like shit... and just say that we are all starting over.  Maybe theymos should sell the forum to Elon in order that the rug could just be pulled.. who gives any shits about the "feelings"  or any of the work that was put into the forum by long-term members.. fuck them...,everyone can just start over, right?  Let's all start from zero.  Is that what you want, you diptwat?

It is you that is stuck, repeating your positions, making me repeat myself too, dumbing down everybody in the process.

Ok.  We don't need to continue to the back and forth then, you dweeb.

Do you deny the fact that we have the phenomena of merit farming and merit circle jerking? Don’t go far.

I don't deny that there are issues related to those areas... but they are likely not even close to as BIG as you are making them out to be... and there is still largely a perception from those who matter in these here parts, that the benefits of the whole system outweigh the costs... and overall the forum is a better place by the current system as is, in contrast to just removing the merit system.. Don't you realize those same complaints were already made in the beginning of the merit system in during quite a bit of 2018?  Yes, we are coming upon almost 5 years (anniversary) of the merit system.

For shills, spammers and scammers are on the rise because of that very reason. Fake merit trust.

Maybe some tweaks to the system is being considered?  Maybe rotating merit sources?  I don't know.  I don't really care that much about your seemingly passion issue.

We can agree to disagree on this point.  
We can agree that they wiped your kernel … again.

We can agree that you don't know shit.

You are a brand new member who has no reputation anyhow.  You can go to any platform to build your reputation, especially if you are starting from zero.  How long have you been here?  like a week, right?  I just looked at your profile.. registration date 12/21/22. One week ago, as I type this post.


Go on.  Deny it.  You fuck.

I am not opposed to the idea of theymos rotating merit sources, especially if he believes that some of us have accumulated too many merits and we are likely receiving way more credibility than we deserve..
Listen fuck-head, I never mentioned anything about rotating merit sources. Let me spell it out for you: A-B-O-L-I-S-H

I mentioned it, and I am part of the conversation in which I am part of. There you have it.. definitional truth.   Tongue Tongue Tongue


Awe.  What a cutie!!!

It's a statement to acknowledge where we be actually at - as I type this post.
In the middle of no-where apparently. Tongue

I don't think so.  We are in a specific location, which is a mostly bitcoin-oriented thread on a public forum.  Get a grip.

You don't bother me... that much.. being annoyed from time to time is part of any interactions.
Maybe a little then? Come on, you life-less twat, at least give me that much!

Nope.

Last thing, I retract that you have some use on the WO. The damage you’re causing, now seems to me, far worse that any useful directives you might input.

To the extent that your opinion even matters.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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