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February 28, 2014, 10:28:09 PM |
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As there is the possibility that Bitcoin were withdrawen illegally via unauthorized access, filing of a criminal complaint is under consideration.
That is a standard practice but bigger issue is when and why they did not disclose that soon. Cause he and cronies still wanted to sell those BTC and withdraw to the caymans....so he unluckily couldn´t halt trading just yet.....may I remind you modestly...I told ya so  |
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Make sure you back up your wallet regularly! Unlike a bank account, nobody can help you if you lose access to your BTC.
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kano
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February 28, 2014, 11:16:06 PM |
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700K btc vanish without trace from a cold wallet ? How is that possible ?
a) Until they prove innocent MT.GOX is the main suspect of an eventual fraud/theft.
b) Now imagine how save is costumers id if they can’t even protect btc.
Gox leaks become worst every day , I’m really surprised how btc market price is doing so well to something like this !!!
Well ... actually it should be a very straight forward, simple thing for them to prove the fraud/theft There would be 700k worth of BTC transactions that are duplicate of transactions around the same time as each. i.e. for each fraud/theft transaction to an address of an amount X There should be another (1 or more) transaction(s) soon after it to the same address of the same amount X ... Of course, the cause could also simply be that they are retards and their system simply sent the 2nd transaction after it 'thought' the first one failed ... so there was no fraud/theft, it was simply a crap system sending BTC to people multiple times. |
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February 28, 2014, 11:44:24 PM |
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I wrote a transcript of the Japanese news item on Gox:
Thank you for doing that. |
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February 28, 2014, 11:47:53 PM |
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I wrote a transcript of the Japanese news item on Gox:
Thank you for doing that. +1 |
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February 28, 2014, 11:52:47 PM |
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700K btc vanish without trace from a cold wallet ? How is that possible ?
a) Until they prove innocent MT.GOX is the main suspect of an eventual fraud/theft.
b) Now imagine how save is costumers id if they can’t even protect btc.
Gox leaks become worst every day , I’m really surprised how btc market price is doing so well to something like this !!!
Well ... actually it should be a very straight forward, simple thing for them to prove the fraud/theft There would be 700k worth of BTC transactions that are duplicate of transactions around the same time as each. i.e. for each fraud/theft transaction to an address of an amount X There should be another (1 or more) transaction(s) soon after it to the same address of the same amount X ... Of course, the cause could also simply be that they are retards and their system simply sent the 2nd transaction after it 'thought' the first one failed ... so there was no fraud/theft, it was simply a crap system sending BTC to people multiple times.that wouldnt happen over years / 750k btc without one feedback from the community |
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February 28, 2014, 11:59:27 PM |
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I think what makes it really hard when trying to work out what is possible and what is not is 1 particular variable above all others.
Marks competence.
Its throwing a lot of logical debate all over the place and giving otherwise crazy conspiracy theory's time in the sun.
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March 01, 2014, 01:19:37 AM |
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I wrote a transcript of the Japanese news item on Gox:
Thanks. No probs! Tips to 1F7LcPHWMwmJeGvaaBdsubGehhqccoZcjX  It looks like someone coached him through a traditional formal apology. But it wasn't followed by any atonement. He didn't even resign.
This really hits the nail on the head. If he were Japanese this would be considered an enormous 'FUCK YOU' by their standards of public apologies. He barely bows, he doesn't lower hいs head, and he doesn’t hold it for long. Does anyone know if the dude actually speaks decent japanese? He seemed to be responding to the media's questions in japanese but he made what sounded like some pretty obvious mistakes as well (see transcript) |
Unlevereged financial instruments acting as a store of value that fluctuate 50% within 10 minutes is perfectly acceptable. I think it should be offered in IRA form to soon to be retirees.
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March 01, 2014, 02:17:56 AM |
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A maybe very naive question, but still here I go.
As Tibanne being the owner of MtGox, do it have to cover MtGox losses?
And if so, how much assets does Tibanne have?
Or is everything we've seen so far the combination of Tibanne and MtGox?
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March 01, 2014, 02:29:46 AM |
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Of course, the cause could also simply be that they are retards and their system simply sent the 2nd transaction after it 'thought' the first one failed ... so there was no fraud/theft, it was simply a crap system sending BTC to people multiple times.
that wouldnt happen over years / 750k btc without one feedback from the community Exactly. There has been a stunning silence from all the people who supposedly received double payouts from mtgox. Knowing this community there would have been some yahooing about it straight-away. |
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March 01, 2014, 02:36:27 AM |
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Of course, the cause could also simply be that they are retards and their system simply sent the 2nd transaction after it 'thought' the first one failed ... so there was no fraud/theft, it was simply a crap system sending BTC to people multiple times.
that wouldnt happen over years / 750k btc without one feedback from the community Exactly. There has been a stunning silence from all the people who supposedly received double payouts from mtgox. Knowing this community there would have been some yahooing about it straight-away. Greed - but isn't the same what ate Mark K. ? Why he became a target? Hmm? |
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March 01, 2014, 02:49:20 AM |
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Of course, the cause could also simply be that they are retards and their system simply sent the 2nd transaction after it 'thought' the first one failed ... so there was no fraud/theft, it was simply a crap system sending BTC to people multiple times.
that wouldnt happen over years / 750k btc without one feedback from the community Exactly. There has been a stunning silence from all the people who supposedly received double payouts from mtgox. Knowing this community there would have been some yahooing about it straight-away. Agree, and if "Bitcoin were withdrawn illegally via unauthorized access" it should be registered on block chain , so i can't understand all this environment of misinformation ! |
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March 01, 2014, 03:00:22 AM |
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Eventualy they simply lost acess to their bigest cold wallet , for pure incompetence, and than we will have 700k mabe lost forever.
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March 01, 2014, 06:21:31 AM |
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March 01, 2014, 07:26:01 AM |
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Hmm - well actually I think the thing that must be on Mark's mind the most at the moment is:
Almost every article I read about Bitcoin has to include some comments about the shady dark side of Bitcoin.
Meanwhile Mark seems to have lost hundreds of millions of "dollars" of Bitcoin people's money.
What might some of these "shady dark" people be considering doing about it?
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March 01, 2014, 07:34:27 AM |
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Hmm - well actually I think the thing that must be on Mark's mind the most at the moment is:
Almost every article I read about Bitcoin has to include some comments about the shady dark side of Bitcoin.
Meanwhile Mark seems to have lost hundreds of millions of "dollars" of Bitcoin people's money.
What might some of these "shady dark" people be considering doing about it?
There is no doubt, though the majority of us in the bitcoin community are law abiding non muderers, there are going to be some types who lurk around the darknet who may be, shall we say, sociopathic to some extent or another. Could there be any truth to the allegations that DPR hired assassins?It seems possible. And you have to imagine there are some folks who had fortunes on gox who may indeed have been using BTC to launder money. Some of them the new digital drug lords... some who are more old style bad guys just giving the new currency a try. I would be worried as hell if I were Karpeles. His life is most certainly in danger. |
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March 01, 2014, 07:42:12 AM |
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and there is also something i can t understand
how is it possible they can have a fiat debt of almost 65 m usd??
where did the 65 m go?how did they used them?
let alone the explanation about the 750k+100k btc
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March 01, 2014, 08:31:36 AM |
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I wont pretend I have been to blockchain.info before I got Goxxed and have spent less than 10 mins total on the website= 10 mins ever looking at the blockchain. However the part I looked at seemed like $500,000.00 being sent to a new address then having 10,000 mBTC split off and sent elsewhere then the pattern restarts with each wallet only ever having a history of 1 transaction in and 2 out. Again I would be the very very worst person to look at this because I only started learning 10 mins ago. If I'm understanding this right (lolz I doubt it) then that's going to be a very very hard $0.5mil to keep track of in the future no? Also how far does that money go back before this process was started ? Again great time to jump in and call me a noob and make sense of it to us all. I honestly don't mind being embarrassed over this like i said got no clue. PS its 0800 and not slept FU gox |
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March 01, 2014, 08:34:11 AM |
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I wont pretend I have been to blockchain.info before I got Goxxed and have spent less than 10 mins total on the website= 10 mins ever looking at the blockchain. However the part I looked at seemed like $500,000.00 being sent to a new address then having 10,000 mBTC split off and sent elsewhere then the pattern restarts with each wallet only ever having a history of 1 transaction in and 2 out. Again I would be the very very worst person to look at this because I only started learning 10 mins ago. If I'm understanding this right (lolz I doubt it) then that's going to be a very very hard $0.5mil to keep track of in the future no? Also how far does that money go back before this process was started ? Again great time to jump in and call me a noob and make sense of it to us all. I honestly don't mind being embarrassed over this like i said got no clue. don't worry mate, i don't have a clue about blockchain either, I can't wait to give the transaction printoff from my account to my accountant! |
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March 01, 2014, 08:37:49 AM |
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don't worry mate, i don't have a clue about blockchain either, I can't wait to give the transaction printoff from my account to my accountant! Lol He would just love you I bet. Back in the day I had an accountant and talked to him about this he said get back to me in a week. Week later he said just tell me the exchange rates at point of sale and tell me how many of these things you have sold and I will sort it out. I was well impressed. BTW Comes under capital gains if they are your coins and ya sell em |
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