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[chanberg]

Btw, I am making a trip down to Santa Clara on Thursday to see how everything is going and to get the chip order pics. Amir and I spoke on the phone today and he said that any time on Thursday would be good. I'll stop by there in the afternoon. He also confirmed that all of our boards will come with I2C cables. 

Hey Knightlife, If you can please just shore up a list for us from Amir, of what exactly we will get with the boards that ship. I think we know, but now we are hearing ic2 cables as well, which is great but that's new to me. And thanks again KL 

Will do. I added that to my list of questions for Thursday.

Can you also ask how the 4x k16 are connected to make a k64?  unless they respond in here before then,  I would like to know if one can easily separate a k64 into the k16s that make it up.

Single PCB with the K16 design printed 4 times on it and connected using I2C jumpers?

https://raw.github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/master/docs/KLego.pdf

Pretty self explanatory.

[jdape]

Terrahash,

I'm making some adapters for your K16's and K64's so they can be mounted into standard PC cases.

Do you know the dimensions of the heatsink you'll be using for the K16?   Or, do you know total thickness of your K16's including heatsink (from the top of the capacitor on top, to the top of the heatsink on bottom)?

OR: What is the center-of-hole to center-of-hole spacing between K16 mount points in the DX Mini case?

Thanks!

[massnerder]

Btw, I am making a trip down to Santa Clara on Thursday to see how everything is going and to get the chip order pics. Amir and I spoke on the phone today and he said that any time on Thursday would be good. I'll stop by there in the afternoon. He also confirmed that all of our boards will come with I2C cables. 

Hey Knightlife, If you can please just shore up a list for us from Amir, of what exactly we will get with the boards that ship. I think we know, but now we are hearing ic2 cables as well, which is great but that's new to me. And thanks again KL 

Will do. I added that to my list of questions for Thursday.

Can you also ask how the 4x k16 are connected to make a k64?  unless they respond in here before then,  I would like to know if one can easily separate a k64 into the k16s that make it up.

Single PCB with the K16 design printed 4 times on it and connected using I2C jumpers?

https://raw.github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/master/docs/KLego.pdf

Pretty self explanatory.

nevermind then, I didn't catch the bit where it does say the k64 is one larger pcb. 

[MinermanNC]

Hey Atomic, just coincidence, but I am in NY state near Buffalo visiting family right now...where about's are you? Not that I can take over your order.....at the moment....lol

About 2.5 hours away. Enjoy Niagara falls!

oh ya....you know we will,,,

[lubah]

just got the email -- A post of interest: "TerraHash Avalon Assembly (Reserve your spot with 5%)"

never doubted for a second -- well done TH!!

[bearsworth]

https://terrahash.com/terrahash-avalon-assembly-reserve-your-spot-with-5/

NEWS FROM TERRAHASH.

[hchc]

Starting to get my setup ready, so I have a bunch of (dumb) questions:

- K64 needs 4 or 1 pci-e power plug?
- K64 comes with 4 or 1 heatsink?
- Is fan needed? or passive cool is okay? If yes does terrahash provides fan? If no, what size fan do we need? 1 fan or 4 fans?
- In general how many k16 can a pci-e plug support?

[joeventura]

So no word on the BTCEIC scandal?

I have lost sleep over this,

poor guy is out there and needs an answer!!!

[btceic]

So no word on the BTCEIC scandal?

I have lost sleep over this,

poor guy is out there and needs an answer!!!

why do you care?

and oh btw why did terrahash publicly disclose they they will not do business with you?

[joeventura]

So no word on the BTCEIC scandal?

I have lost sleep over this,

poor guy is out there and needs an answer!!!

why do you care?

and oh btw why did terrahash publicly disclose they they will not do business with you?

Pretty sure they changed their mind on that one.

Can't tell ya why however. 

[massnerder]

I am not 100%, but I am pretty sure that :

Starting to get my setup ready, so I have a bunch of (dumb) questions:

- K64 needs 4 or 1 pci-e power plug?

Looks like 4.  See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239377.new However, one pci lead from the psu with 2x 6 pin connectors will give a total of 150w (75w for each 6pin), so you could probably use splitters to get 4 pcie connections and power it that way. the k64 needs 128w

- K64 comes with 4 or 1 heatsink?

I would assume 4 from seeing the k16 hashing video, we will get enough heatsinks to cover everything that needs a heatsink though... for all we know it might come with 16 small heatsinks  Unless this info is in here somewhere and I missed it?

- Is fan needed? or passive cool is okay? If yes does terrahash provides fan? If no, what size fan do we need? 1 fan or 4 fans?

My understanding is that you will not get a fan, depending on your environment passive might be ok, but I wouldn't try it.  # of fans you need will depend on what size you choose I guess    You can see the DX large has 3 case fans on it, so you shouldn't need very much air movement for a single k64

- In general how many k16 can a pci-e plug support?

k16 takes 32w, so a 6 pin could support 2 (with a splitter)

[atomicchaos]

It's official. I have cancelled my Paypal dispute, as someone has agreed to invest 50% of the cost and to share the mining. I don't mind as much having 5k on the line as opposed to 10k (with shipping).  I have a leased location in which I get .05 kw/h, so I will be hosting the unit and everything in the order stays the same.

As I think has been clear since Terrahash started providing updates, I obviously changed my tone once updates were being sent out. Did I overreact to the long silence? Maybe, but silence that long was very concerning in this high risk investment.

Figured I'd come here and eat some crow to show that I admit when I'm wrong about something.


As an aside, here's where it will be going:

[CommanderVenus]

https://terrahash.com/terrahash-avalon-assembly-reserve-your-spot-with-5/

NEWS FROM TERRAHASH.

Dumb question, but if terrahash is providing the chips on our order we wouldnt need to reserve a spot for assembly right?

[joeventura]

https://terrahash.com/terrahash-avalon-assembly-reserve-your-spot-with-5/

NEWS FROM TERRAHASH.

Dumb question, but if terrahash is providing the chips on our order we wouldnt need to reserve a spot for assembly right?

The service they are referring to is if YOU have your own chips.

If you bought a finished miner from their website this does not apply to you

[MinermanNC]

It's official. I have cancelled my Paypal dispute, as someone has agreed to invest 50% of the cost and to share the mining. I don't mind as much having 5k on the line as opposed to 10k (with shipping).  I have a leased location in which I get .05 kw/h, so I will be hosting the unit and everything in the order stays the same.

As I think has been clear since Terrahash started providing updates, I obviously changed my tone once updates were being sent out. Did I overreact to the long silence? Maybe, but silence that long was very concerning in this high risk investment.

Figured I'd come here and eat some crow to show I admit when I'm wrong about something.


As an aside, here's where it will be going:

Nice!!!! Atomic,,,,,I have been wanting to see your 60 g/hashs? maybe? lol   I'd luv to be mining litecoin with all that right about now...heh"

[kendog77]

I am not 100%, but I am pretty sure that :

Starting to get my setup ready, so I have a bunch of (dumb) questions:

- K64 needs 4 or 1 pci-e power plug?

Looks like 4.  See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239377.new However, one pci lead from the psu with 2x 6 pin connectors will give a total of 150w (75w for each 6pin), so you could probably use splitters to get 4 pcie connections and power it that way. the k64 needs 128w

- K64 comes with 4 or 1 heatsink?

I would assume 4 from seeing the k16 hashing video, we will get enough heatsinks to cover everything that needs a heatsink though... for all we know it might come with 16 small heatsinks  Unless this info is in here somewhere and I missed it?

- Is fan needed? or passive cool is okay? If yes does terrahash provides fan? If no, what size fan do we need? 1 fan or 4 fans?

My understanding is that you will not get a fan, depending on your environment passive might be ok, but I wouldn't try it.  # of fans you need will depend on what size you choose I guess    You can see the DX large has 3 case fans on it, so you shouldn't need very much air movement for a single k64

- In general how many k16 can a pci-e plug support?

k16 takes 32w, so a 6 pin could support 2 (with a splitter)

I'm a bit confused about how 8 pin PCIE to 6 pin PCIE splitters work. 8 pin PCI-E devices can provide up to 150W, but a 6 pin PCI-E device can only provide 75W. I also understand that if you use 6 of the 8 pins on a 8 pin PCI-E device, it only supplies 75W in order to be backward compatible (i.e. you need to use all 8 pins to get 150W).

If you use a splitter to go from a 8 pin to 2x 6 pin PCI-E device, does each 6 pin device get 75W or 37.5W? I suppose that it may depend on how the PCI-E splitter is wired and whether or not it uses all 8 PCI-E pins.

[massnerder]

I'm a bit confused about how 8 pin PCIE to 6 pin PCIE splitters work. 8 pin PCI-E devices can provide up to 150W, but a 6 pin PCI-E device can only provide 75W. I also understand that if you use 6 of the 8 pins on a 8 pin PCI-E device, it only supplies 75W in order to be backward compatible (i.e. you need to use all 8 pins to get 150W).

If you use a splitter to go from a 8 pin to 2x 6 pin PCI-E device, does each 6 pin device get 75W or 37.5W? I suppose that it may depend on how the PCI-E splitter is wired and whether or not it uses all 8 PCI-E pins.

I am no EE, but I would guess that the power lead will only provide as much power as the device will draw.  IE 6 pin provides up to 75w, so if you plug in only 1x k16 it only provides the 32w that the device is asking for.  So, if you had a 8 pin to 6 pin adapter, each 6 pin could still provide up to 75w because your 8 pin provides 150w.  The idea for these is that you could then take the 6 pins you get from that adapter and add splitters to them in order to power up to 4 k16s (128w) off that one 8 pin.

Someone correct me if I'm being stupid, but that's what makes sense to me  

EDIT- I suppose you're right in that it would matter how the 8pin to 6 pins are wired, but it only makes sense to give it all 150, who wants a 37.5w 6pin?? 

[kendog77]

I'm a bit confused about how 8 pin PCIE to 6 pin PCIE splitters work. 8 pin PCI-E devices can provide up to 150W, but a 6 pin PCI-E device can only provide 75W. I also understand that if you use 6 of the 8 pins on a 8 pin PCI-E device, it only supplies 75W in order to be backward compatible (i.e. you need to use all 8 pins to get 150W).

If you use a splitter to go from a 8 pin to 2x 6 pin PCI-E device, does each 6 pin device get 75W or 37.5W? I suppose that it may depend on how the PCI-E splitter is wired and whether or not it uses all 8 PCI-E pins.

I am no EE, but I would guess that the power lead will only provide as much power as the device will draw.  IE 6 pin provides up to 75w, so if you plug in only 1x k16 it only provides the 32w that the device is asking for.  So, if you had a 8 pin to 6 pin adapter, each 6 pin could still provide up to 75w because your 8 pin provides 150w.  The idea for these is that you could then take the 6 pins you get from that adapter and add splitters to them in order to power up to 4 k16s (128w) off that one 8 pin.

Someone correct me if I'm being stupid, but that's what makes sense to me  

EDIT- I suppose you're right in that it would matter how the 8pin to 6 pins are wired, but it only makes sense to give it all 150, who wants a 37.5w 6pin??  

There are all sorts of adapters available that don't make much sense. For example, it's easy to find 6 pin to 2x6 or 2x8 pin PCIE splitters, which can't possibly provide enough wattage to each PCIE connector.

Basically, will a 8 pin to 2x6 pin splitter provide 37.5W or 75W to each 6 pin PCIE connector?

Note that in the picture of the adapter, you can clearly see that only 6 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are used to split to 2x 6 PIN connectors. 2 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are not used for anything.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Express-6-or-8-Pin-to-TWO-6-Pin-Y-Splitter-Video-Card-Power-Adapter-Cable-/271199891252?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f24c5ef34

[hchc]

I'm a bit confused about how 8 pin PCIE to 6 pin PCIE splitters work. 8 pin PCI-E devices can provide up to 150W, but a 6 pin PCI-E device can only provide 75W. I also understand that if you use 6 of the 8 pins on a 8 pin PCI-E device, it only supplies 75W in order to be backward compatible (i.e. you need to use all 8 pins to get 150W).

If you use a splitter to go from a 8 pin to 2x 6 pin PCI-E device, does each 6 pin device get 75W or 37.5W? I suppose that it may depend on how the PCI-E splitter is wired and whether or not it uses all 8 PCI-E pins.

I am no EE, but I would guess that the power lead will only provide as much power as the device will draw.  IE 6 pin provides up to 75w, so if you plug in only 1x k16 it only provides the 32w that the device is asking for.  So, if you had a 8 pin to 6 pin adapter, each 6 pin could still provide up to 75w because your 8 pin provides 150w.  The idea for these is that you could then take the 6 pins you get from that adapter and add splitters to them in order to power up to 4 k16s (128w) off that one 8 pin.

Someone correct me if I'm being stupid, but that's what makes sense to me  

EDIT- I suppose you're right in that it would matter how the 8pin to 6 pins are wired, but it only makes sense to give it all 150, who wants a 37.5w 6pin??  

There are all sorts of adapters available that don't make much sense. For example, it's easy to find 6 pin to 2x6 or 2x8 pin PCIE splitters, which can't possibly provide enough wattage to each PCIE connector.

Basically, will a 8 pin to 2x6 pin splitter provide 37.5W or 75W to each 6 pin PCIE connector?

Note that in the picture of the adapter, you can clearly see that only 6 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are used to split to 2x 6 PIN connectors. 2 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are not used for anything.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Express-6-or-8-Pin-to-TWO-6-Pin-Y-Splitter-Video-Card-Power-Adapter-Cable-/271199891252?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f24c5ef34

Already confusing enough...my psu has a 6+2 pins pci-e. I guess thats same as 8 pins which provides 150w?. If that's the case one 8 pins should be enough to power a K64 (32w x 4) with 3 pci-e splitter (tri-y setup).

[xyzzy099]

I'm a bit confused about how 8 pin PCIE to 6 pin PCIE splitters work. 8 pin PCI-E devices can provide up to 150W, but a 6 pin PCI-E device can only provide 75W. I also understand that if you use 6 of the 8 pins on a 8 pin PCI-E device, it only supplies 75W in order to be backward compatible (i.e. you need to use all 8 pins to get 150W).

If you use a splitter to go from a 8 pin to 2x 6 pin PCI-E device, does each 6 pin device get 75W or 37.5W? I suppose that it may depend on how the PCI-E splitter is wired and whether or not it uses all 8 PCI-E pins.

I am no EE, but I would guess that the power lead will only provide as much power as the device will draw.  IE 6 pin provides up to 75w, so if you plug in only 1x k16 it only provides the 32w that the device is asking for.  So, if you had a 8 pin to 6 pin adapter, each 6 pin could still provide up to 75w because your 8 pin provides 150w.  The idea for these is that you could then take the 6 pins you get from that adapter and add splitters to them in order to power up to 4 k16s (128w) off that one 8 pin.

Someone correct me if I'm being stupid, but that's what makes sense to me  

EDIT- I suppose you're right in that it would matter how the 8pin to 6 pins are wired, but it only makes sense to give it all 150, who wants a 37.5w 6pin??  

There are all sorts of adapters available that don't make much sense. For example, it's easy to find 6 pin to 2x6 or 2x8 pin PCIE splitters, which can't possibly provide enough wattage to each PCIE connector.

Basically, will a 8 pin to 2x6 pin splitter provide 37.5W or 75W to each 6 pin PCIE connector?

Note that in the picture of the adapter, you can clearly see that only 6 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are used to split to 2x 6 PIN connectors. 2 of the 8 pins in the 8 pin PCIE connector are not used for anything.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Express-6-or-8-Pin-to-TWO-6-Pin-Y-Splitter-Video-Card-Power-Adapter-Cable-/271199891252?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f24c5ef34

If your PC has an 8-pin PCI-E power cable, the power supply can be assumed to be able to provide 150W of power to that cable.  If you split it with a 6-pin to 2x6-pin splitter, you may get less than 75W supplied at each split because of the two unused grounds, but you should still certainly get a good deal more than just 37.5W per split.

The amount of power that is actually available is defined by the power supply, specifically the 12V rail you are using.