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December 01, 2017, 02:17:52 AM
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So a y-splitter is no good, but the 8 pin to 2x-8pin that comes with my EVGA is okay?

I hope so, cause that's what I've been using.
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December 01, 2017, 02:51:45 AM
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So a y-splitter is no good, but the 8 pin to 2x-8pin that comes with my EVGA is okay?

I hope so, cause that's what I've been using.
You have 2x8pin really? Because I have 6+2 and a 6 pin on which I use 6 to 8 pin adaptor
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December 01, 2017, 02:52:12 AM
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Guys, I just got my 6 Vega 56 cards... I wanted to power them with an EVGA 1600 G2 but I just don't have enough VGA power connectors! Do I really have to connect 2x 8-pin per GPU? Is that needed for mining?

Yes unless you want to risk damage the cards, or burn the whole place down. It's up to you.

Please beat this dead horse for me.. 
I bought a Y-Splitter, 8-Pin pcie to 2x 8-pin pcie. 

https://www.amazon.de/adaptare-35118-Grafikkarte-Stromkabel-8-pin-PCIe-Stecker-Stecker/dp/B01N5JJ7DD
If that link gets taken down, search B01N5JJ7DD on amazon.de

No, I'm not advertising, I just want to be clear about my cables, because the whole . 

Is it the PSU that will be causing problems or the connections on the cable that I've got?  (or am I fine?)

I imagine that the problem would lie with the connection at the PSU end (where there is up to 250W going through those small wires), am I wrong?  What's wrong with my thinking that a more quality Y-Splitter would be able to handle the wattage? 

PS I've been mining about a week with two of these cables for 2 cards, and the other 2 cards using 2 separate cables each which came with the PSU (2x 8-pin to 8-pin).  Am I playing with fire?

Using Y-spliiter for rx Vega is very dangerous. It can't handle the power spikes fluctuations, however you can use dual cerfified cable like the one EVGA has with 1 end 6+2 pin and the other end with 6pin and use a 6 to 8 pin adaptor

That's no different than using any splitter cable.  The issue isn't splitting, the issue is overloading of the PSU cable.
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December 01, 2017, 04:08:58 AM
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Guys, I just got my 6 Vega 56 cards... I wanted to power them with an EVGA 1600 G2 but I just don't have enough VGA power connectors! Do I really have to connect 2x 8-pin per GPU? Is that needed for mining?

Go to eBay, get the splitters, like this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pc-PCI-E-6-Pin-Femal-To-Dual-8-Pin-6-2-Pin-Card-Power-Adapter-Cable-PCIE-PCI/222615689892?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They work well.  I've used them on 1080 Ti and Vega (but I undervolt, I don't go crazy with TDP +120 or anything like that).

But if I were you, I think would think about a server PSU, maybe the DPS-2000 or DPS-2500 and a price-technology.com breakout board, 6-pin cables to PCIe risers, 6-pin cables to (2) 6+2 pin splitters for GPU. You'll need a pico psu as well and a 240v outlet OR a step-up transformer (search "ELC step up transformer" on eBay).

All of that is less that the EVGA 1600 PSU.  Not that I have anything against EVGA - that's a solid PSU.

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December 01, 2017, 04:12:37 AM
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Using Y-spliiter for rx Vega is very dangerous. It can't handle the power spikes fluctuations, however you can use dual cerfified cable like the one EVGA has with 1 end 6+2 pin and the other end with 6pin and use a 6 to 8 pin adaptor

Uh, how do I politely say I don't think so?  I'm using splitters on every Vega I own and quite a few of my 1080 Ti's.  But let me quickly add that because power is expensive where I am, I undervolt and look for max Sols/w or max H/w.

And I've been doing this for some time so if a fluctuation was going to burn the place down, would have probably happened.

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December 01, 2017, 04:57:23 AM
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So a y-splitter is no good, but the 8 pin to 2x-8pin that comes with my EVGA is okay?

I hope so, cause that's what I've been using.
You have 2x8pin really? Because I have 6+2 and a 6 pin on which I use 6 to 8 pin adaptor

Yeh, my 750 and 850 G2/G3's come with 2 8pin->2x 8pin cables. So, I've been using those for the vegas.
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December 01, 2017, 08:44:38 AM
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Guys need seroius help. Cant start 6 vegas on Windows, overdriventtoolap aplly OC but not downvolting, using reg files crash pc and its dont aplly exactle what i need Mv on core and HBM Mv, actually HBM donwvolting dont work at all. 3 Days I dont sleep and cant get a solution.

Well, my vega is on its way but I have learned a lot and try to be ready when it come
May I suggest you to check this site? http://vega.miningguides.com/
there is very detailed guide how to make it work, I will do as described here
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December 01, 2017, 09:13:41 AM
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Guys, I just got my 6 Vega 56 cards... I wanted to power them with an EVGA 1600 G2 but I just don't have enough VGA power connectors! Do I really have to connect 2x 8-pin per GPU? Is that needed for mining?

Yes unless you want to risk damage the cards, or burn the whole place down. It's up to you.
Damage the cards and burn the place down by providing less power?...

The only logical explanation out of this would be if that forced the cards to pull more power from the PCI-E slot.

In any case, thanks all for your suggestions. I've ordered a couple of "8-pin to 2x 8-pin" splitters and a few "6-pin to 8-pin" adapters. Should hopefully do the trick.
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December 01, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
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On VEGA, only the blower fan is powered from the PCI slot.
The fan uses 28W at full rpm.
Typically, you will see around 15 - 20W during normal use.
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December 01, 2017, 10:06:12 AM
Last edit: December 01, 2017, 10:32:19 AM by ninjam
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I had similar problem, Seasonic PSU 1200W but only enough connectors for 4 vega.
PSU have 2 cables for CPU so I bought 8pin CPU to 2x8pin PCIe adapter, first one I have ordered had wrong design, it delivered voltages to gpu in reverse (12v where should be ground and vice versa). Find out that just after I plugged it to gpu. I had more luck than brain because PSUs protection kicked in and nothing was damaged. So I cut wires and solder them as they should be and it works. On ebay almost all CPU to PCIE adapter I have found have wrong wiring, correct way is to crossover wires.
https://imgur.com/a/yOjz2
Wrong type, double price
https://imgur.com/a/KDVuz
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December 01, 2017, 10:31:16 AM
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On VEGA, only the blower fan is powered from the PCI slot.
The fan uses 28W at full rpm.
Typically, you will see around 15 - 20W during normal use.

That's a bold statement. Have you got any proof/source to back it up? Arguably there wouldn't be any need for powered risers (or additional molex+sata connectors on the Onda boards) if that were the case...
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December 01, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
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On VEGA, only the blower fan is powered from the PCI slot.
The fan uses 28W at full rpm.
Typically, you will see around 15 - 20W during normal use.


How did you come to this conclusion?
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December 01, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
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Using Y-spliiter for rx Vega is very dangerous. It can't handle the power spikes fluctuations, however you can use dual cerfified cable like the one EVGA has with 1 end 6+2 pin and the other end with 6pin and use a 6 to 8 pin adaptor

Dual I understand.  Certified, I do not.  The whole world of cabling is new to me, however.  Is there a trusted certification authority or something?   Also, I haven't been able to find any 8-pin to 2x8-pin that seem to be from reputable vendors.  Everyone seems to make 6-pin ones, but the 8-pin ones seem harder to find.  Am I missing something or are larger vendors doing this intentionally? 

Per my little research..
Credit to stackexchange question.. "Is there any limit on how many SATA power connectors i can extend" (superuser). 
Helpful link was wire gauge to current rating..  Seems 18 gauge for short runs can max out at 16A, 16 gauge at 22A, which translates to roughly 12*16 and (or) 12*22. 
As per their nifty chart, they're saying (as conservative figures) for max load for  the different wires:
GaugeMax Load
18192
16264
 
I could definitely be wrong.  So eat with salt.  But since everyone's undervolting, if they're using the 18 gauge, they're probably somewhere near the top end of the allowable range.  If the cards or software fault, however, and they start pulling 250+ from the psu (does anyone know what it pulls w/o the undervolt--has anyone measured the wire?), I guess it's anyone's chance if a fire starts/they begin to melt?  For posterity and the curious, I've got vega64 lc's running on these cords. 
If anyone's got wiring like this, but is NOT undervolting, I would be curious as to how long they've been running, how many watts they've been pulling, etc.  It's hard to find solid information out there. 
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December 01, 2017, 03:08:54 PM
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Guys, I just got my 6 Vega 56 cards... I wanted to power them with an EVGA 1600 G2 but I just don't have enough VGA power connectors! Do I really have to connect 2x 8-pin per GPU? Is that needed for mining?

Go to eBay, get the splitters, like this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pc-PCI-E-6-Pin-Femal-To-Dual-8-Pin-6-2-Pin-Card-Power-Adapter-Cable-PCIE-PCI/222615689892?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They work well.  I've used them on 1080 Ti and Vega (but I undervolt, I don't go crazy with TDP +120 or anything like that).

But if I were you, I think would think about a server PSU, maybe the DPS-2000 or DPS-2500 and a price-technology.com breakout board, 6-pin cables to PCIe risers, 6-pin cables to (2) 6+2 pin splitters for GPU. You'll need a pico psu as well and a 240v outlet OR a step-up transformer (search "ELC step up transformer" on eBay).

All of that is less that the EVGA 1600 PSU.  Not that I have anything against EVGA - that's a solid PSU.

if you undervolt  it should be ok but not too safe  2x8pin cable can do 360w  can go bit higher but check if it not getting hot

what you could do is add a wire from a molex cable , it s what i do, i manually connect a wire from the molex +12V and plug it in on 1 of the 3 +12V, and put some tape so the wire cannot get out by accident

problem with vega even if you undervolt to 150w it has a lot of pics what use more than 150w

i tried 2x vega on a 750w psu  when it average use less than 550w , time to time the psu was shuting down (so get up to 700w?)

i put 3x vega on a 850w (there are only 4x 8pin connector) i made 2 extra 8pin  my self used bridge + all molex connectors better use to much wires than too less
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December 01, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
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Please beat this dead horse for me..  
I bought a Y-Splitter, 8-Pin pcie to 2x 8-pin pcie.  

https://www.amazon.de/adaptare-35118-Grafikkarte-Stromkabel-8-pin-PCIe-Stecker-Stecker/dp/B01N5JJ7DD
If that link gets taken down, search B01N5JJ7DD on amazon.de

No, I'm not advertising, I just want to be clear about my cables, because the whole .  

Is it the PSU that will be causing problems or the connections on the cable that I've got?  (or am I fine?)

I imagine that the problem would lie with the connection at the PSU end (where there is up to 250W going through those small wires), am I wrong?  What's wrong with my thinking that a more quality Y-Splitter would be able to handle the wattage?  

PS I've been mining about a week with two of these cables for 2 cards, and the other 2 cards using 2 separate cables each which came with the PSU (2x 8-pin to 8-pin).  Am I playing with fire?

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December 01, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
Last edit: December 02, 2017, 10:06:10 AM by Csouza
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Guys, I just got my 6 Vega 56 cards... I wanted to power them with an EVGA 1600 G2 but I just don't have enough VGA power connectors! Do I really have to connect 2x 8-pin per GPU? Is that needed for mining?

My vega cards does't start without the 2 8pin conector pluged, so I'm use 2x 700W 80's plus PSU (Evga and Thermaltek) for cards and an old Seventeam (no 80 plus) 420W for the system (mobo, cpu, ssd and 2 risers), 4x Vega56 + 2x RX580 arround 1000w Total system power.
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December 01, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
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Guys need seroius help. Cant start 6 vegas on Windows, overdriventtoolap aplly OC but not downvolting, using reg files crash pc and its dont aplly exactle what i need Mv on core and HBM Mv, actually HBM donwvolting dont work at all. 3 Days I dont sleep and cant get a solution.

Down the memory clock back to 800 maybe 900MHz and do a test. I have this same issue whit 1000 and 1100 reg mods. When miner start driver crashes the system.

Use reg mod to set voltages and overdriveNtool to set de clocks for core and mem.
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December 01, 2017, 04:50:45 PM
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Where Can I find Devcon.exe? Where's the file location I mean. Please help.


1. Get your hands on the Windows Device Console (Devcon.exe). This will let you disable/enable devices from console.

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December 01, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
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Where Can I find Devcon.exe? Where's the file location I mean. Please help.


1. Get your hands on the Windows Device Console (Devcon.exe). This will let you disable/enable devices from console.


Two things... 
1) You can actually do what you are looking for with a windows script...  no Devcon.exe is required:  http://vega.miningguides.com/p/auto-run-miner-without-hashmonitor.html
2) You can get Devcon.exe direct from Microsoft without an extensive installation by following the method here: (first time I posted this link bitcointalk said it was a suspicious link and took it out... not sure why but I have edited the post to break the link into two pieces... (Just remove the spaces):     https://networchestration.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/       how-to-obtain-device-console-utility-devcon-exe-without-downloading-and-installing-the-entire-windows-driver-kit-100-working-method/

 
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December 01, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
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In the current market, would you pay $525USD per Vega 56? From a retail outlet.

Australia has a little lag compared to US supply / demand markets.

For reference I paid $430USD each one week ago.
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