[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[cool4y]

https://coingeek.com/original-bitcoin-will-live-bitcoin-sv-bsv/
There is a lack of consensus behind what is "bitcoin".

Not really. There is bitcoin (BTC) and 1000+ altcoins, a handful of which are trying desperately to create confusion over what is the "the real bitcoin" as their main marketing tactic.

Its still BTC. Always has been, always will be.

BCH had very little real world adoption (even less now), and BSV has zero. A coin whose entire premise is trying to pretend and trick new users into thinking it is "the real bitcoin" is no coin at all.

BTC was no longer bitcoin after the segwit upgrade, how many times must i repeat this to you before it penetrates your thick skull?

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. It is, however, the definition of insanity.

Yep, crazy ambitions, power, influence and money could completely alter a person and his pattern of behavior. There will be always one original Bitcoin, forks will be always splits from the main chain and nothing more.

[MarketMagic]

So is this being the BCH/ABC or SV thread these days?

[shasan]

So is this being the BCH/ABC or SV thread these days?

As we know already BCHABC win the race where BCHSV loss the position. In this case BCHABC should take place of BCH.

[Icutgrass205]

https://coingeek.com/original-bitcoin-will-live-bitcoin-sv-bsv/
There is a lack of consensus behind what is "bitcoin".

Not really. There is bitcoin (BTC) and 1000+ altcoins, a handful of which are trying desperately to create confusion over what is the "the real bitcoin" as their main marketing tactic.

Its still BTC. Always has been, always will be.

BCH had very little real world adoption (even less now), and BSV has zero. A coin whose entire premise is trying to pretend and trick new users into thinking it is "the real bitcoin" is no coin at all.

BTC was no longer bitcoin after the segwit upgrade, how many times must i repeat this to you before it penetrates your thick skull?

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. It is, however, the definition of insanity.

But it is true, and you're living in denial.

I'll go ahead and do some of the research for you since it's too hard for you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6ibp8l/segwit_and_segwit2x_would_be_disastrous_for/
A change in the protocol that doesn't benefit bitcoin is an attack on bitcoin, and you have been duped into believe BTC is still bitcoin. On top of that, segwit opened the door for new attack vectors

[presduterte]

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. It is, however, the definition of insanity.

But it is true, and you're living in denial.

I'll go ahead and do some of the research for you since it's too hard for you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6ibp8l/segwit_and_segwit2x_would_be_disastrous_for/
A change in the protocol that doesn't benefit bitcoin is an attack on bitcoin, and you have been duped into believe BTC is still bitcoin. On top of that, segwit opened the door for new attack vectors

There's flat earthers that make more sense than you.

Earlier you said you haven't lost any money. So clearly you're not invested in BCH, BSV or BTC. So does that mean you're getting paid to pump SV in fiat? If so, whoever hired you should know they're not getting their moneys worth.

I'm done entertaining you. Try convincing every other crypto user not in this thread of your conspiracies instead.

[Icutgrass205]

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. It is, however, the definition of insanity.

But it is true, and you're living in denial.

I'll go ahead and do some of the research for you since it's too hard for you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6ibp8l/segwit_and_segwit2x_would_be_disastrous_for/
A change in the protocol that doesn't benefit bitcoin is an attack on bitcoin, and you have been duped into believe BTC is still bitcoin. On top of that, segwit opened the door for new attack vectors

There's flat earthers that make more sense than you.

Earlier you said you haven't lost any money. So clearly you're not invested in BCH, BSV or BTC. So does that mean you're getting paid to pump SV in fiat? If so, whoever hired you should know they're not getting their moneys worth.

I'm done entertaining you. Try convincing every other crypto user not in this thread of your conspiracies instead.

I'm going to invest in the coin that is aiming to be p2p electronic cash for the world that scales on chain. As of right now that is BSV. I'm not paid by anyone, I just present facts, facts which seem to make you shake in your boots. Are you nervous about your precious btc? You should be, wont be long before its worthless. I've given you plenty of facts that prove btc is no longer bitcoin, but you fail to understand how bitcoin works and how blockchains work so theres nothing else I can do for you.

BTC=Segwit
BCH=WHC/Plasma, DSV, and shitcoins
BSV= Bitcoin, p2p electronic cash

[Karlitosss]

Is BCHSV starting to raise in price too much?

[Searing]

So if you have BTC this means that you have BCH SV or was that just a fork of BCH on

yeah, not paying attention ..only BCH I have 'supposedly' I have not touched from the BTC Hoard wallet from when it landed...

brad

If you haven't split your coins from the original BCH fork from BTC, you now have coins in both the ABC and SV fork. Since neither side has implemented replay protection, it may be a challenge to split the coins. Since you are a miner, you can probably mine coinbase coins from both sides and then use these as 'tainted" coins to do the split. The process looks really complicated now, especially since you haven't done the original split. In any event, if you want to claim coins at any point, you are probably going to have to import your private keys/seed phrase for your BTC to Electron Cash.(That would probably be the easiest software, AFAIK) I would move your BTC to a new private key/seed as a first step.

As big a mess as all this is on Jan 1st, 2020 we could find out that Craig Wright really is the last man standing from the Satoshi group...and has access to what

he says is the so-called BTC trust at that point...god knows things are weird enough anyway on all this

so I'll probably just leave it all alone all the forked coins on my 2015 HODL wallet

(by the by I dumped 13 BTC like a small panic'd girl to pay for health insurance for 2019 and with my LTC dump have $$$ to stay retired till 2020 when I'm

65 years and could take soc sec 1 yr early and then could get Medicaid (no more 12k a year payments for health insurance)

so yeah, don't want to work for anyone for the next year so PUNTED..and 13 number of BTC being evil and all seems appropriate)


hopefully, I'm wrong and this BCH war will pan out and BTC will recover..but not counting on it to keep retired this last year don't ya know

thanks for the update

brad

[DudeAtWork420]

Is BCHSV starting to raise in price too much?

How is it too much when they were losing it for more than 50% ? Just wait until another pump or dump happened again with this coin, not surprising though to see it gets pumped again for more than 100% in a couple days/weeks/months/years later.
Just hope, this bullshit drama come to an end.

[Searing]

Is BCHSV starting to raise in price too much?

How is it too much when they were losing it for more than 50% ? Just wait until another pump or dump happened again with this coin, not surprising though to see it gets pumped again for more than 100% in a couple days/weeks/months/years later.
Just hope, this bullshit drama come to an end.

the craig wright group could be playing this and selling BTC high and buying low...would that not be a kick in the nuts if it was that kinda play

[shasan]

Is BCHSV starting to raise in price too much?

How is it too much when they were losing it for more than 50% ? Just wait until another pump or dump happened again with this coin, not surprising though to see it gets pumped again for more than 100% in a couple days/weeks/months/years later.
Just hope, this bullshit drama come to an end.

the craig wright group could be playing this and selling BTC high and buying low...would that not be a kick in the nuts if it was that kinda play

Everyone tries to buy on low rate and sell on high rate. It's trade also and behind bump and dump plays vital role by gambler.

[Searing]

Is BCHSV starting to raise in price too much?

How is it too much when they were losing it for more than 50% ? Just wait until another pump or dump happened again with this coin, not surprising though to see it gets pumped again for more than 100% in a couple days/weeks/months/years later.
Just hope, this bullshit drama come to an end.

the craig wright group could be playing this and selling BTC high and buying low...would that not be a kick in the nuts if it was that kinda play

Everyone tries to buy on low rate and sell on high rate. It's trade also and behind bump and dump plays vital role by gambler.

Sorry I was unclear...I meant that he was not doing this with BTC SV or BTC ABC ....but selling BTC high to buy back BTC low...and all this BTC SV was just a cover with the price dump a cover

sure..I'm just making things up...but hell...that would be quite the 'con' indeed if he pulled something like that off

only a 1 in 100 chance of that .just tossing it out their for the 'wince' factor

brad

[Bitbobb]

So if you have BTC this means that you have BCH SV or was that just a fork of BCH on

yeah, not paying attention ..only BCH I have 'supposedly' I have not touched from the BTC Hoard wallet from when it landed...

brad

If you haven't split your coins from the original BCH fork from BTC, you now have coins in both the ABC and SV fork. Since neither side has implemented replay protection, it may be a challenge to split the coins. Since you are a miner, you can probably mine coinbase coins from both sides and then use these as 'tainted" coins to do the split. The process looks really complicated now, especially since you haven't done the original split. In any event, if you want to claim coins at any point, you are probably going to have to import your private keys/seed phrase for your BTC to Electron Cash.(That would probably be the easiest software, AFAIK) I would move your BTC to a new private key/seed as a first step.

As big a mess as all this is on Jan 1st, 2020 we could find out that Craig Wright really is the last man standing from the Satoshi group...and has access to what

he says is the so-called BTC trust at that point...god knows things are weird enough anyway on all this

so I'll probably just leave it all alone all the forked coins on my 2015 HODL wallet

(by the by I dumped 13 BTC like a small panic'd girl to pay for health insurance for 2019 and with my LTC dump have $$$ to stay retired till 2020 when I'm

65 years and could take soc sec 1 yr early and then could get Medicaid (no more 12k a year payments for health insurance)

so yeah, don't want to work for anyone for the next year so PUNTED..and 13 number of BTC being evil and all seems appropriate)


hopefully, I'm wrong and this BCH war will pan out and BTC will recover..but not counting on it to keep retired this last year don't ya know

thanks for the update

brad

I am not jealous of your predicament.  Myself, I considered the changes and the way they have been forced and I was able to make up my mind very easily.  I refuse to be a party to fraud and further I know that the function many think this dsv will deliver is more durable if implemented in better ways more in line with the needs of the merchants who we hope would use this coin.  ABC and BTC have no future as they have refused all recommendations by their peers, miners and experts.  The only thing they have as a technical argument is Always Bad Craigman.

[Searing]

So if you have BTC this means that you have BCH SV or was that just a fork of BCH on

yeah, not paying attention ..only BCH I have 'supposedly' I have not touched from the BTC Hoard wallet from when it landed...

brad

If you haven't split your coins from the original BCH fork from BTC, you now have coins in both the ABC and SV fork. Since neither side has implemented replay protection, it may be a challenge to split the coins. Since you are a miner, you can probably mine coinbase coins from both sides and then use these as 'tainted" coins to do the split. The process looks really complicated now, especially since you haven't done the original split. In any event, if you want to claim coins at any point, you are probably going to have to import your private keys/seed phrase for your BTC to Electron Cash.(That would probably be the easiest software, AFAIK) I would move your BTC to a new private key/seed as a first step.

As big a mess as all this is on Jan 1st, 2020 we could find out that Craig Wright really is the last man standing from the Satoshi group...and has access to what

he says is the so-called BTC trust at that point...god knows things are weird enough anyway on all this

so I'll probably just leave it all alone all the forked coins on my 2015 HODL wallet

(by the by I dumped 13 BTC like a small panic'd girl to pay for health insurance for 2019 and with my LTC dump have $$$ to stay retired till 2020 when I'm

65 years and could take soc sec 1 yr early and then could get Medicaid (no more 12k a year payments for health insurance)

so yeah, don't want to work for anyone for the next year so PUNTED..and 13 number of BTC being evil and all seems appropriate)


hopefully, I'm wrong and this BCH war will pan out and BTC will recover..but not counting on it to keep retired this last year don't ya know

thanks for the update

brad

I am not jealous of your predicament.  Myself, I considered the changes and the way they have been forced and I was able to make up my mind very easily.  I refuse to be a party to fraud and further I know that the function many think this dsv will deliver is more durable if implemented in better ways more in line with the needs of the merchants who we hope would use this coin.  ABC and BTC have no future as they have refused all recommendations by their peers, miners and experts.  The only thing they have as a technical argument is Always Bad Craigman.

well seems now I have 87.45 BTC and 100 bch abc and 100 bch sv..plus the other assorted BTC forked coin I've not messed with. Dumped the last of my LTC. Have other coins that are so low, not worth moving.

so hell just hodl'ing all ...so I'm not tossing rocks either ....will see how it goes... the main thing have enough $$$ and paid off next years health insurance  so should be good till next dec 2019 and can stay retired

and if we are in a full recession in 2019 and 2020 as I suspect I can just take soc sec early and my traditional investments and hopefully still be in some kinda HODL mode

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does...so there is that

brad

[Bitbobb]

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

wow yeah I thought I was the only one with that gift lol.  

[shasan]

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

wow yeah I thought I was the only one with that gift lol.  

You are not only one. If you were only one then price dropped to almost 0 and you had all. There are a lots of people who are holding. I am also holding but not too much.

well seems now I have 87.45 btc and 100 bch abc and 100 bch sv..plus the other assorted BTC forked coin I've not messed with. Dumped the last of my LTC. Have other coins that are so low not worth moving.

so hell just hodl'ing all ...so I'm not tossing rocks either ....will see how it goes...

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

I think you will get good profit once it bump.

[bitserve]

Is there still any BSV fan around here that can maybe explain why the hashrate keeps dropping and it is now at the bottom?

I mean, they said that all their hashpower was devoted to BSV and that they would keep mining it at a loss even for a decade... yet the hashrate is now less than half than at the peak.

[Searing]

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

wow yeah I thought I was the only one with that gift lol.  

You are not only one. If you were only one then price dropped to almost 0 and you had all. There are a lots of people who are holding. I am also holding but not too much.

well seems now I have 87.45 btc and 100 bch abc and 100 bch sv..plus the other assorted BTC forked coin I've not messed with. Dumped the last of my LTC. Have other coins that are so low not worth moving.

so hell just hodl'ing all ...so I'm not tossing rocks either ....will see how it goes...

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

I think you will get good profit once it bump.

its all this EATING and putting a roof over your head and clothing and bathing and smelling nice for others...etc etc...eats up my crypto ACK!

but again, if it is a choice of burning all my crypto in the next 1.5 years (retire 1 yr early soc sec and traditional investments) or 2.5 years (hold off with crypto till full 66 years on all)

I will dump the works not to work for anyone again. (would retire early however at 65 as not to kill all crypto if that was the case)

so worse case for me..is I retire 3 years early and still have tulips and beanie baby BTC and altcoins

(I need a better outlook on all this ..that was just dismal)

later

brad

[bitserve]

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

wow yeah I thought I was the only one with that gift lol.  

You are not only one. If you were only one then price dropped to almost 0 and you had all. There are a lots of people who are holding. I am also holding but not too much.

well seems now I have 87.45 btc and 100 bch abc and 100 bch sv..plus the other assorted BTC forked coin I've not messed with. Dumped the last of my LTC. Have other coins that are so low not worth moving.

so hell just hodl'ing all ...so I'm not tossing rocks either ....will see how it goes...

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

I think you will get good profit once it bump.

its all this EATING and putting a roof over your head and clothing and bathing and smelling nice for others...etc etc...eats up my crypto ACK!

but again, if it is a choice of burning all my crypto in the next 1.5 years (retire 1 yr early soc sec and traditional investments) or 2.5 years (hold off with crypto till full 66 years on all)

I will dump the works not to work for anyone again. (would retire early however at 65 as not to kill all crypto if that was the case)

so worse case for me..is I retire 3 years early and still have tulips and beanie baby BTC and altcoins

(I need a better outlook on all this ..that was just dismal)

later

brad

I think you have done the right thing Searing.

I do have one question though: You have just now cashed out $100K+ right? I know living is expensive in USA, ok........ but.... isn't that enough to cover 2.5 years of living expenses?

[Searing]

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

wow yeah I thought I was the only one with that gift lol.  

You are not only one. If you were only one then price dropped to almost 0 and you had all. There are a lots of people who are holding. I am also holding but not too much.

well seems now I have 87.45 btc and 100 bch abc and 100 bch sv..plus the other assorted BTC forked coin I've not messed with. Dumped the last of my LTC. Have other coins that are so low not worth moving.

so hell just hodl'ing all ...so I'm not tossing rocks either ....will see how it goes...

everything should pump now with my actions...it always does

brad

I think you will get good profit once it bump.

its all this EATING and putting a roof over your head and clothing and bathing and smelling nice for others...etc etc...eats up my crypto ACK!

but again, if it is a choice of burning all my crypto in the next 1.5 years (retire 1 yr early soc sec and traditional investments) or 2.5 years (hold off with crypto till full 66 years on all)

I will dump the works not to work for anyone again. (would retire early however at 65 as not to kill all crypto if that was the case)

so worse case for me..is I retire 3 years early and still have tulips and beanie baby BTC and altcoins

(I need a better outlook on all this ..that was just dismal)

later

brad

I think you have done the right thing Searing.

I do have one question though: You have just now cashed out $100K+ right? I know living is expensive in USA, ok........ but.... isn't that enough to cover 2.5 years of living expenses?

13 BTC  was at a bit under 4K BTC about 50.?K after fees etc...with the LTC after taxes..and my health insurance for the year..last year before Medicaid I will take

out as well...I may have 30k left a bit more

with other coins (at less lousy prices)  I've sold as cash in the bank..call it 35k no debts house paid no rent should get me by 'supposedly' till dec 2019 or so.

Also, keeping it in cash...I see a pretty good recession in the USA coming..I figure 40% correction ..it is gonna suck...

so I wish it was 100k with the LTC dump and the 13 BTC dump ...but really with the $7,200, I got for the last of my LTC about $50.?k with fees out.

you do what you have to ...got to eat...etc and stay retired till my full retirement at 66 or 1 year short at 65 years in the USA.

'needs must, when the devil drives'  

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nee1.htm

CMC futures the end of this month those will suck in that I expect most thought sideways or up on BTC price and the SEC will likely reject ETF's IMHO,

folk have to sell BTC or altcoins like me to stay crypto retired or to not go back to

work for someone else now that their 3-year say self-employed miner or data hall pow mining is done..as an example..gonna be a lot of that...

I have no intention

of working for anyone again....the continuing war with craig wright and roger ver over 'everything' crypto related eventually...wars will continue...

my modest wish that is that, at worst, 4k becomes the next sideways....sh*t could get a lot worse..thus me panic'ing like a 9-year-old girl and selling

it was time to panic from HODL'ing from 18k to under 4k...(I'm an idiot)
I got this BTC well before 2015 or so......so...I'm not hurting on this by any means...

whatever, next year or most of it is covered now....keep out of debt...sell some stuff in the attic (attic mining) and convert to BTC ..$5k of crap up there

motivated to get and set aside some dust from selling crap I likely will die with otherwise...

you don't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need

brad

edit: yes I have over 100k of coin cashed out this year..but some went into equipment...a lot was less than 1 year and 1 day so short-term cap gains

so I could fill a solo 401k within 2017 to save on some taxes...some of that was to pay 2018 taxes...lives on probably 40k of that....so yeah...crap

tends to run out $$$ wise....I'm out of mining except for like 5 obelisk machines (previously for 2 months doorstops till the evil fork of siacoin which

saved me..mixed feelings on the fairness of that, however) anyway ...they and other ASIC makers could very well go bankrupt at these crypto prices

which will be more BTC and crypto dumped

but without mining, next year and the above sale of crypto LTC and 13 BTC and me ALSO taking out say 30k out of my traditional investments as cash

to fix up the house or for my own use. (hedging goes both ways I expect a major recession..taking some cream off the crop rather than waiting the

traditional 5-7 years or more for a recession stock recovery...better to use it on the house now for increased house value as a hedge)

So anyway, I'm hedging all over the place, if late, with bailing on BTC.

If I am wrong, I have more $$$ in crypto and traditional investements....no loss, all gain...

If I am right, I have my 'little' ass covered so that I can stay retired...

my coping mechanism is to be proactive on this kinda stuff, recessions suck, working for someone else sucks, if I lose some $$$ and gain some

peace of mind in 2019 because of the above hedges, so be it