[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[jbreher]

If Craig was Satoshi, why would he need to pull an elaborate hoax on Gavin Andresen where he presented keys that were already publicly available, embedded in the blockchain?

Careful with your assumptions there.

You have absolutely _no_idea_ what evidence CSW presented to Gavin.

Well, unless you are either Gavin or CSW -- both of which I find extremely unlikely.

[jbreher]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

[nutildah]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

And you have no proof that I'm not Satoshi either. Neither have you proof that my grandma is not Satoshi. This is a stupid fucking argument but if you want to continue to believe that a bull-headed narcissist, an egotistical, mean-spirited sociopath is Satoshi, despite an utter lack of evidence, that's your right as a human citizen. Have at it.

There's a raging Flat Earth argument in Off Topic that could probably use your help in its defense.

[bones261]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

And you have no proof that I'm not Satoshi either. Neither have you proof that my grandma is not Satoshi. This is a stupid fucking argument but if you want to continue to believe that a bull-headed narcissist, an egotistical, mean-spirited sociopath is Satoshi, despite an utter lack of evidence, that's your right as a human citizen. Have at it.

There's a raging Flat Earth argument in Off Topic that could probably use your help in its defense.

LOL Since when is someone being ambivalent suggest that someone "believes" anything? It's like calling someone who is agnostic a religious zealot. 

[nutildah]

LOL Since when is someone being ambivalent suggest that someone "believes" anything? It's like calling someone who is agnostic a religious zealot. 

Just because you say you are something it doesn't mean you are. Obviously he cares otherwise he wouldn't have injected himself into the discussion. Not like anybody was asking him about his opinion.

Saying I have no proof that somebody isn't some anonymous person is simply rehashing the definition of what "anonymous" is. It's a rather stupid, obvious statement for him to make.

[hv_]

Gemini about to launch BCH trading

https://twitter.com/GeminiTrust/status/1045000599778013184

[notblox1]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

If he is THE SATOSHI... then why o why Roger the Ver keeps talking about Satoshi like some spirit super creator and btc whitepaper as his gospel ?
Even Bitmain Lord JW called him Fake Satoshi.
Case closed.

[sirsplashalot]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

If he is THE SATOSHI... then why o why Roger the Ver keeps talking about Satoshi like some spirit super creator and btc whitepaper as his gospel ?
Even Bitmain Lord JW called him Fake Satoshi.
Case closed.

The same guy also said:

‘Fuck your mother if you want fuck’

[vanhalendlrband]

Pigeoncoin got exploited for 230 million of their coins from the bitcoin bug and they have since patched it. Thats one of the alts i know of that the exploit was active on as well.

[hv_]

Nice new POS

https://news.bitcoin.com/new-pos-terminal-by-pundix-allows-nigerians-to-make-purchases-in-bitcoin

[notblox1]

Dramatic Comedy continues  
news about BitmainCash or BitmainABC or the real BCH or whatever...

Source:
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/bitmain-abc-fork-details-bitcoin-cash-bch-chain-split-controversy-is-real/

[sirsplashalot]

Dramatic Comedy continues  
news about BitmainCash or BitmainABC or the real BCH or whatever...


Bitmain ABC Fork Details: BitcoinCash (BCH) Chain Split Controversy is Real

What do You Need to Know About Bitmain ABC Fork?
One of the most interesting things about Satoshi’s white paper on Bitcoin was that it deleted third party intervention to handle money from individuals. It was simple and secure. Indeed, individuals were finally able to manage their funds with freedom without intervention.

The founder of Bitmain and Bitcoin ABC, Jihan Wu is trying to add its species to the original protocols changing and adding to those original protocols. Moreover, they are trying to limit or slow any attempt of a massive on-chain scaling limiting the block size to 32 MB.

Bitcoin’s landscape is very competitive. Miners are competing at all times and trying to have a better piece of the market. If they do not invest, they lag behind and do not remain competitive.

By limiting block sizes, developers control the means of production and give subsidies to inefficient miners that do not want to invest to compete in the market.

Greg Maxwell, for example, has already warned about a Big Block Attack in which large miners wanted to take away less invested miners. That misrepresents the importance of scaling the network.

In order to improve Bitcoin’s security in the long term, it is very important to raise the block size. Miners would be forced to invest and keep being competitive. Those who do not want or cannot keep, would be outside the market. This is necessary to improve and ensure the viability and security of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin needs to reach a network operation level similar to the one of Visa or MasterCard.

Both Bitmain and ABC are trying to introduce some changes that have not considered the impact that they will have on the ecosystem.

Using Canonical Transaction Ordering Rule (CTOR), transactions would be sorted based on their identifiers. That would change the underlying protocols, which is a problem. The second problem is that the network scaling issue is not solved in this way.

This only allows chainless apps to be more capable. Something good for developers. But there are other problems for users because they need to trust a third party or software oracle.

Additionally, CTOR does not support 0-confirmation transactions. Due to the fact that Bitcoin aimed and was designed to be used as cash, BCH shows that it tried to eliminate the possibility of 0 confirmation transactions. That erodes the ecosystem

Jihan Wu is a strong supporter of CTOR and Wormhole, a second layer technology allowing for smart contracts.

On one hand, it seems that this allows the ecosystem to grow. On the other hand, it really drives innovation backward. In the end, Bitcoin Cash would be more similar to Ethereum, a developer currency, rather than electronic cash.

It seems that Bitmain and Mr. Wu are trying to fund ABC due to the fact that the mining company is a very important proponent of the CTOR and Wormhole.

Wu was an important figure that allowed Segregated Witness (SegWit) to happen and to be implemented on the Bitcoin blockchain. This has severely affected the whole network limiting it and allowing developers to start working on the Lightning Network. Until now, the Lighting Network is not implemented and is not working as expected.

BCH should work in a better way, and shouldn’t be manipulated frivolously. Developing the system is the only way to ensure that it will survive in the long term.

Source:
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/bitmain-abc-fork-details-bitcoin-cash-bch-chain-split-controversy-is-real/

This article is 30 days old

[notblox1]

This article is 30 days old

Well Obviously.... but today I read it for the first time,
and mister Calvin Ayre posted tweet about it few days ago,
and you probably know about this 'gentelmen'.

There is only ONE  
He seems to be Satoshi Visioner and ExBCasHer.

[jbreher]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

if you want to continue to believe that a bull-headed narcissist, an egotistical, mean-spirited sociopath is Satoshi, despite an utter lack of evidence, that's your right as a human citizen.

Are you incapable of comprehending the clear text that I have written? I have stated directly that I am ambivalent on the matter. Do you not possess the simple language skills to understand that simple statement?

[Icutgrass205]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

If he is THE SATOSHI... then why o why Roger the Ver keeps talking about Satoshi like some spirit super creator and btc whitepaper as his gospel ?
Even Bitmain Lord JW called him Fake Satoshi.
Case closed.

Lmao, the same Bitmain lord that is amassing BCH using a fake bch burn address for his Wormhole scheme? Jihan is a judas goat, WH would destroy BCH, you should be thanking CSW and nchain for what they're doing to prevent that.

[hv_]

Anyone in the US ready to test this and check if BCH fees are low?

http://coffee4crypto.com

[hv_]

Must watch

https://memo.cash/post/5590c444532e5ab89c66402a62a4c32f41c44aefa30f724eabcd09918463ee10

[goldart]

OK again, so no public proof = no proof.

Absolutely. You have no public proof that CSW is not satoshi.

For the record: I am ambivalent on the matter. He may be; he may not. But you are falling upon the argument of the most fallacious nature. Lack of proof is not proof of the converse.

if you want to continue to believe that a bull-headed narcissist, an egotistical, mean-spirited sociopath is Satoshi, despite an utter lack of evidence, that's your right as a human citizen.

Are you incapable of comprehending the clear text that I have written? I have stated directly that I am ambivalent on the matter. Do you not possess the simple language skills to understand that simple statement?

you smell of desperation? now, if someone would evaluate the situation from a more sober look, I think everyone understands that no one knows who satoshi is

[bones261]

  Do people know what ambivalent means? It's a state of uncertainty.

[narutos]

Dramatic Comedy continues  
news about BitmainCash or BitmainABC or the real BCH or whatever...


Bitmain ABC Fork Details: BitcoinCash (BCH) Chain Split Controversy is Real

What do You Need to Know About Bitmain ABC Fork?
One of the most interesting things about Satoshi’s white paper on Bitcoin was that it deleted third party intervention to handle money from individuals. It was simple and secure. Indeed, individuals were finally able to manage their funds with freedom without intervention.

The founder of Bitmain and Bitcoin ABC, Jihan Wu is trying to add its species to the original protocols changing and adding to those original protocols. Moreover, they are trying to limit or slow any attempt of a massive on-chain scaling limiting the block size to 32 MB.

Bitcoin’s landscape is very competitive. Miners are competing at all times and trying to have a better piece of the market. If they do not invest, they lag behind and do not remain competitive.

By limiting block sizes, developers control the means of production and give subsidies to inefficient miners that do not want to invest to compete in the market.

Greg Maxwell, for example, has already warned about a Big Block Attack in which large miners wanted to take away less invested miners. That misrepresents the importance of scaling the network.

In order to improve Bitcoin’s security in the long term, it is very important to raise the block size. Miners would be forced to invest and keep being competitive. Those who do not want or cannot keep, would be outside the market. This is necessary to improve and ensure the viability and security of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin needs to reach a network operation level similar to the one of Visa or MasterCard.

Both Bitmain and ABC are trying to introduce some changes that have not considered the impact that they will have on the ecosystem.

Using Canonical Transaction Ordering Rule (CTOR), transactions would be sorted based on their identifiers. That would change the underlying protocols, which is a problem. The second problem is that the network scaling issue is not solved in this way.

This only allows chainless apps to be more capable. Something good for developers. But there are other problems for users because they need to trust a third party or software oracle.

Additionally, CTOR does not support 0-confirmation transactions. Due to the fact that Bitcoin aimed and was designed to be used as cash, BCH shows that it tried to eliminate the possibility of 0 confirmation transactions. That erodes the ecosystem

Jihan Wu is a strong supporter of CTOR and Wormhole, a second layer technology allowing for smart contracts.

On one hand, it seems that this allows the ecosystem to grow. On the other hand, it really drives innovation backward. In the end, Bitcoin Cash would be more similar to Ethereum, a developer currency, rather than electronic cash.

It seems that Bitmain and Mr. Wu are trying to fund ABC due to the fact that the mining company is a very important proponent of the CTOR and Wormhole.

Wu was an important figure that allowed Segregated Witness (SegWit) to happen and to be implemented on the Bitcoin blockchain. This has severely affected the whole network limiting it and allowing developers to start working on the Lightning Network. Until now, the Lighting Network is not implemented and is not working as expected.

BCH should work in a better way, and shouldn’t be manipulated frivolously. Developing the system is the only way to ensure that it will survive in the long term.

Source:
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/bitmain-abc-fork-details-bitcoin-cash-bch-chain-split-controversy-is-real/

Man, when will this thing be over? whats the future of bcash yall? will it remain top 5 all the time? take over bitcoin?highly doubt it, most liely stay @ top altcoin though