alexius89
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July 02, 2013, 10:44:16 AM |
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Is there any spreadsheet updated by Users or any charts which shows the estimated next difficulty?
When will be the rise of the next difficulty stage? (date)
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eltopo
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July 02, 2013, 10:49:10 AM |
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Is there any spreadsheet updated by Users or any charts which shows the estimated next difficulty?
When will be the rise of the next difficulty stage? (date)
Have a look here: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/The date of the next diff change depends on network hashrate, at the moment it changes every 12-14 days.
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Deprived (OP)
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July 02, 2013, 04:06:06 PM |
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Sold 941 Swapped 0 Total 941 Price 0.049418 Total 46.502338 Less Fee 46.40933332 Man Fee 1.39228
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1054.565051 14362 LTC-ATF.B1 143.62000000 Coinlenders CD 200.45554343 Just-Dice Balance 101.41844995 TOTAL ASSETS 1,500.05904443 Outstanding MINING 31472 Outstanding SELLING 31472 Outstanding PURCHASE 372 Effective Units 31844 Block reward 25 Difficulty 21,335,329 Hashes per MINING 5000000 Daily Dividend 0.00011786 50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00589288 100 days (Forced Close) 0.01178577 365 days (Buyback) 0.04301806 405 days (IPO) 0.04773236 400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.04714308 410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.04832165 NAV Post MINING Div 1,496.30598416 NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.04698863 Days Dividend Post Div 398.69 SELLING Dividend - NAV Post SELLING Div 1,496.30598416 NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.04698863 PURCHASE selling price 0.04933806 PURCHASE buy-back price 0.04604886
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Deprived (OP)
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July 02, 2013, 07:25:45 PM |
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Sold 500 of our LTC-ATF.B1 on the market. After converting to BTC DMS received 6.32415 BTC. I'm not trading for DMS but I'm not going to turn down free money for it. It would take nearly a year to make that profit back in 0.6% per week dividends - so we'll let someone else do the waiting and take the profit now.
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July 02, 2013, 08:06:51 PM |
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You are absolutely right, thank you for doing that.
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Deprived (OP)
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July 02, 2013, 08:20:16 PM |
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Here's a little bit of math that some of you may find of interest. Let's look at what happened if anyone bought PURCHASE at the start and just held it.
They'd have bought initially when price was 0.065258 Allowing for 0.2% transaction fee that would have cost them 0.065388516
In total they'd now have received 0.01787841 in dividends (the total of all SELLING and MINING dividends to date).
PURCHASE is currently selling at 0.049338 They could put their PURCHASE back up for sale at 0.049337 and reasonably expect to sell it (strangely there's been a few hundred PURCHASE sold - all of them into bids at a lot less than just below my Ask price).
Less transaction fees that would get them 0.049238326 If we add to that the dividends to date we get a total of 0.067116736
If we subtract the initial purchase price we get a profit of 0.001858736 Which is 2.848% in the 22 days the fund has been running - or over 0.9% per week.
The return from doing that is likely to fall (as new sales of PURCHASE represent an ever decreasing percentage of current outstanding ones) but it does go to show that there's quite a few ways people could have made a profit from DMS.
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carnitastaco
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July 03, 2013, 02:07:02 AM |
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Here's a little bit of math that some of you may find of interest. Let's look at what happened if anyone bought PURCHASE at the start and just held it.
They'd have bought initially when price was 0.065258 Allowing for 0.2% transaction fee that would have cost them 0.065388516
In total they'd now have received 0.01787841 in dividends (the total of all SELLING and MINING dividends to date).
PURCHASE is currently selling at 0.049338 They could put their PURCHASE back up for sale at 0.049337 and reasonably expect to sell it (strangely there's been a few hundred PURCHASE sold - all of them into bids at a lot less than just below my Ask price).
Less transaction fees that would get them 0.049238326 If we add to that the dividends to date we get a total of 0.067116736
If we subtract the initial purchase price we get a profit of 0.001858736 Which is 2.848% in the 22 days the fund has been running - or over 0.9% per week.
The return from doing that is likely to fall (as new sales of PURCHASE represent an ever decreasing percentage of current outstanding ones) but it does go to show that there's quite a few ways people could have made a profit from DMS.
whats the math on if they bought and held asicminer the same day? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) jk jk
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Keven
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July 03, 2013, 09:37:48 AM |
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I am Chinese, DMS.SELLING is very difficult to understand how it works (language issue). How calculated 0.00378802(dividen)? Would you Lists the equation?
Does this help? If it doesn't, there are at least two different posts previously in this thread where it is explained in an easy way, you could try going back and searching for them... 0.05104895(Asset/unit)-0.043105400(with new MINING div)=0.00794095(SELLING div),If right, that promote me . I read the previous thread now.And I did it allmost everyday. Thank you for the adviced ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Deprived (OP)
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July 03, 2013, 04:05:39 PM |
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Sold 623 Swapped 0 Total 623 Price 0.049338 Total 30.737574 Less Fee 30.67609885 Man Fee 0.920282966
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1086.891966 13862 LTC-ATF.B1 138.62000000 Coinlenders CD 200.58256134 Just-Dice Balance 101.29424563 TOTAL ASSETS 1,527.38877305 Outstanding MINING 32066 Outstanding SELLING 32066 Outstanding PURCHASE 401 Effective Units 32467 Block reward 25 Difficulty 21,335,329 Hashes per MINING 5000000 Daily Dividend 0.00011786 50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00589288 100 days (Forced Close) 0.01178577 365 days (Buyback) 0.04301806 405 days (IPO) 0.04773236 400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.04714308 410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.04832165 NAV Post MINING Div 1,523.56228744 NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.04692649 Days Dividend Post Div 398.16 SELLING Dividend - NAV Post SELLING Div 1,523.56228744 NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.04692649 PURCHASE selling price 0.04927281 PURCHASE buy-back price 0.04598796
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Deprived (OP)
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July 04, 2013, 04:02:56 PM |
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Sold 500 more LTC-ATF.B1 at about 10-15% over face value (about as low as I'll sell ours). Just-Dice has made good profit as well. Those two together (plus slight gain from a few sales of PURCHASE) almost covered today's MINING dividend.
Sold 437 Swapped 0 Total 437 Price 0.049273 Total 21.532301 Less Fee 21.4892364 Man Fee 0.644677092
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1109.555951 13362 LTC-ATF.B1 133.62000000 Coinlenders CD 200.71804498 Just-Dice Balance 103.75225179 TOTAL ASSETS 1,547.64624747 Outstanding MINING 32473 Outstanding SELLING 32473 Outstanding PURCHASE 431 Effective Units 32904 Block reward 25 Difficulty 21,335,329 Hashes per MINING 5000000 Daily Dividend 0.00011786 50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00589288 100 days (Forced Close) 0.01178577 365 days (Buyback) 0.04301806 405 days (IPO) 0.04773236 400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.04714308 410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.04832165 NAV Post MINING Div 1,543.76825805 NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.04691734 Days Dividend Post Div 398.08 SELLING Dividend - NAV Post SELLING Div 1,543.76825805 NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.04691734 PURCHASE selling price 0.04926321 PURCHASE buy-back price 0.04597900
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baloo_kiev
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July 05, 2013, 07:46:39 AM |
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Hi!
How long does it typically take to convert PURCHASE?
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Deprived (OP)
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July 05, 2013, 09:07:32 AM |
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Hi!
How long does it typically take to convert PURCHASE?
Depends whether I'm awake or asleep. I check regularly for transfers in and do transfers out soon as I notice. You sent whilst I was asleep - so had a longer wait.
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July 05, 2013, 12:41:11 PM |
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Hi!
How long does it typically take to convert PURCHASE?
Depends whether I'm awake or asleep. I check regularly for transfers in and do transfers out soon as I notice. You sent whilst I was asleep - so had a longer wait. So when do you usually sleep? What time zone are you in? Also, have you looked into automating the process?
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Deprived (OP)
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July 05, 2013, 01:05:31 PM |
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Hi!
How long does it typically take to convert PURCHASE?
Depends whether I'm awake or asleep. I check regularly for transfers in and do transfers out soon as I notice. You sent whilst I was asleep - so had a longer wait. So when do you usually sleep? What time zone are you in? Also, have you looked into automating the process? I'm in the UK, so currently GMT+1. I've considered automating it but there's not really enough volume to justify it at present. I'm currently mainly working on my website which should be up in about a week (it's already functional just needs content added and some tidying up). Once that's done I'll be focussing back on interacting with the sites (to pull data for my website, to do some basic trading/price maintenance for me and also to automate transfers - as there's other things I have planned which could also use similar automation).
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Deprived (OP)
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July 05, 2013, 04:03:45 PM |
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Sold 959 Swapped 0 Total 959 Price 0.049263 Total 47.243217 Less Fee 47.14873057 Man Fee 1.414461917
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1154.302956 13100 LTC-ATF.B1 131.00000000 Coinlenders CD 200.84834856 Just-Dice Balance 103.93539478 TOTAL ASSETS 1,590.08669961 Outstanding MINING 33501 Outstanding SELLING 33501 Outstanding PURCHASE 362 Effective Units 33863 Block reward 25 Difficulty 21,335,329 Hashes per MINING 5000000 Daily Dividend 0.00011786 50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00589288 100 days (Forced Close) 0.01178577 365 days (Buyback) 0.04301806 405 days (IPO) 0.04773236 400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.04714308 410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.04832165 NAV Post MINING Div 1,586.09568467 NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.04683861 Days Dividend Post Div 397.42 SELLING Dividend - NAV Post SELLING Div 1,586.09568467 NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.04683861 PURCHASE selling price 0.04918054 PURCHASE buy-back price 0.04590183
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July 06, 2013, 07:52:13 AM |
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I'm still surprised how big the demand for Mining is. Selling gives at least double the dividend (for expected difficulty change), so its price should be at least double that of mining... ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) Why get paid from one of them when you can get paid from both? I think you'll find that selling will shoot up in price as dividend day approaches and people switch from holding MINING to holding SELLING.
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Deprived (OP)
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July 06, 2013, 04:02:57 PM |
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Sold 635 Swapped 0 Total 635 Price 0.049181 Total 31.229935 Less Fee 31.16747513 Man Fee 0.935024254
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1180.544338 13100 LTC-ATF.B1 131.00000000 Coinlenders CD 200.97626972 Just-Dice Balance 104.18817092 TOTAL ASSETS 1,616.70877890 Outstanding MINING 33860 Outstanding SELLING 33860 Outstanding PURCHASE 638 Effective Units 34498 Block reward 25 Difficulty 21,335,329 Hashes per MINING 5000000 Daily Dividend 0.00011786 50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00589288 100 days (Forced Close) 0.01178577 365 days (Buyback) 0.04301806 405 days (IPO) 0.04773236 400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.04714308 410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.04832165 NAV Post MINING Div 1,612.64292433 NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.04674598 Days Dividend Post Div 396.63 SELLING Dividend - NAV Post SELLING Div 1,612.64292433 NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.04674598 PURCHASE selling price 0.04908328 PURCHASE buy-back price 0.04581106
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July 06, 2013, 04:04:41 PM |
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I'm still surprised how big the demand for Mining is. Selling gives at least double the dividend (for expected difficulty change), so its price should be at least double that of mining... ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) I think you don't quite understand how this works. It doesn't make sense to compare the dividends. While the value of MINING is based on its dividend payments, the value of SELLING is not.
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July 06, 2013, 04:35:38 PM |
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I'm still surprised how big the demand for Mining is. Selling gives at least double the dividend (for expected difficulty change), so its price should be at least double that of mining... ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) I think you don't quite understand how this works. It doesn't make sense to compare the dividends. While the value of MINING is based on its dividend payments, the value of SELLING is not. Depends on the point of view. Eventually, 100% of the asset will be given back as a dividend. So if Selling keeps on giving back more than double the amount than Mining it should be priced accordingly. Let me know if I got sth wring with this thinking.
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July 06, 2013, 04:47:11 PM |
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I'm still surprised how big the demand for Mining is. Selling gives at least double the dividend (for expected difficulty change), so its price should be at least double that of mining... ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) I think you don't quite understand how this works. It doesn't make sense to compare the dividends. While the value of MINING is based on its dividend payments, the value of SELLING is not. Depends on the point of view. Eventually, 100% of the asset will be given back as a dividend. So if Selling keeps on giving back more than double the amount than Mining it should be priced accordingly. Let me know if I got sth wring with this thinking. I don't agree with the valuation based on dividends because the value of SELLING would be the same even if it paid no dividends. But I do agree that SELLING is worth more than its price. And perhaps the only way to sway people looking only at MINING dividends is to compare those dividends to SELLING dividends.
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