[ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade

[cryptohunter]

How does a multipool work exactly? How does it sell the mined coins for quark?

Has to be routed through an exchange.

We've got a server set up, a domain purchased and have a developer working on it guys!

Vic

This is really good news!  

I see this as an evolution of the alt-coins, coins with community, infrastructure and funding, will develop their own multipool that pays out in their coin.  This will slowly kill off the laggers and slow to adapt coins.  

An ideal situation would be to have all your algos covered SHA256, scrypt, jane, N, X11

+1 we need someone experienced in  having pools ready to go on launch of new coins....the multipool needs to have as many coins as possible. Experienced trader is really needed with it too.

[coinerer]

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Quark + Canada...almost as awesome together as Peanut Butter + Chocolate

Thank you for this site

It is easier look at the QRK price now.  Coin with the best features generally, and the best (fallen) price within choice

[mcphervi]

The Thunder Starts to Roll...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIV0oovj7vc

@QuarkPress
https://twitter.com/QuarkPress/status/451512168408969216

[dE_logics]

WARNING -- Quark, Primecoin, Protshares prices will surge after Scrypt ASIC is out.

There may be a little bump in SHA256 coins cause now they're in the same league.

So will asic do scrypt coins harm, couldnt it also go like btc did.   In confused if its good or bad for them, gpu miners sure are squeezed.

I read gridseed mining is already widely available, so we are just talking faster and faster speeds for less elec I guess. 

BTC has a special position in the market -- it's the 1st one and major investors only know this one. They dont know the altcoin market yet.

Besides almost whole of altcoin volume is derived from BTC holders, not fiat currency.

As a proof, try searching for SHA256 coins in top market cap coins. We have namecoin, zetacoin, devcoin... there are hardly any.

Actually there's a correction in my prediction -- Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

[dE_logics]

I suggest the devs take inflation point into marketing.

Inflation is good.

[Hilux74]

Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

I disagree

1) Speeds hashing Quark or X11 on a GPU are pretty much identical from what I have seen using smelter for Quark since its release and sph-miner for X11 and Quark since its release.  Quark minimally slower vs X11 with sph-miner, likely since it is more complicated.  Since Qaurk hashing speed of smelter is greater than that of sph-miner, it is likely the quark algo of sph-miner could be further optimized, even further minimizing any speed difference.

2)X11 is less asic resistant than Quark.  More rounds of hashing don't make it more asic resistant.  The 11 rounds of X11 are linear and unchanging, pretty easy to make an asic..  Quark has random rounds that adds complexity and make it more asic resistant.  realisticly either one can be 'asic'ed' if there was enough incentive.

Only way X11 would win against Quark algo is if marketing of X11 better than marketing of Quark algo.  On their own technical merit, Quark wins hands down.

[ocminer]

Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

I disagree

1) Speeds hashing Quark or X11 on a GPU are pretty much identical from what I have seen using smelter for Quark since its release and sph-miner for X11 and Quark since its release.  Quark minimally slower vs X11 with sph-miner, likely since it is more complicated.  Since Qaurk hashing speed of smelter is greater than that of sph-miner, it is likely the quark algo of sph-miner could be further optimized, even further minimizing any speed difference.

2)X11 is less asic resistant than Quark.  More rounds of hashing don't make it more asic resistant.  The 11 rounds of X11 are linear and unchanging, pretty easy to make an asic..  Quark has random rounds that adds complexity and make it more asic resistant.  realisticly either one can be 'asic'ed' if there was enough incentive.

Only way X11 would win against Quark algo is if marketing of X11 better than marketing of Quark algo.  On their own technical merit, Quark wins hands down.

X11 is not at all ASIC Resistant.

From a pool op sight of things, X11 is much easier to integrate than for Quark was at its time. Quark's algo, and Sif(coin), the algo quark based on, look like someone though about what he's doing while X11 is just a simple daisy chaining of some algo's used from other coins, all findable in the sph lib. The sph lib is a library of different crypto algo's.

So it looks like with X11 someone just sat there, looked at the sph lib which has some algo's written in, rolled the dice 11 times and used the algo which was closest to the number

If you want to, i can start a new algo right away, also based on sph lib, let's call it F4 for example.. I'll add 4 random algo's and throw in a Coin, a Python Library and a stratum daemon

[cryptohunter]

Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

I disagree

1) Speeds hashing Quark or X11 on a GPU are pretty much identical from what I have seen using smelter for Quark since its release and sph-miner for X11 and Quark since its release.  Quark minimally slower vs X11 with sph-miner, likely since it is more complicated.  Since Qaurk hashing speed of smelter is greater than that of sph-miner, it is likely the quark algo of sph-miner could be further optimized, even further minimizing any speed difference.

2)X11 is less asic resistant than Quark.  More rounds of hashing don't make it more asic resistant.  The 11 rounds of X11 are linear and unchanging, pretty easy to make an asic..  Quark has random rounds that adds complexity and make it more asic resistant.  realisticly either one can be 'asic'ed' if there was enough incentive.

Only way X11 would win against Quark algo is if marketing of X11 better than marketing of Quark algo.  On their own technical merit, Quark wins hands down.

can others with technical knowledge confirm this (not saying hilux does not have technical knowledge but just good to hear a few more opinions before i smash the bullshit x11 hype) ?

the main hype around drk and a couple of other coins is the x11 algo............if this x11 hype is all bullshit lets crush that down right now before it gets out of hand.

However we have to be rock sure it is not superior to the QRK algo in anyways.

Any hardcore coders here to show the merits of qrk above x11


what are the pros and cons of each algo?

[reRaise]

Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

I disagree

1) Speeds hashing Quark or X11 on a GPU are pretty much identical from what I have seen using smelter for Quark since its release and sph-miner for X11 and Quark since its release.  Quark minimally slower vs X11 with sph-miner, likely since it is more complicated.  Since Qaurk hashing speed of smelter is greater than that of sph-miner, it is likely the quark algo of sph-miner could be further optimized, even further minimizing any speed difference.

2)X11 is less asic resistant than Quark.  More rounds of hashing don't make it more asic resistant.  The 11 rounds of X11 are linear and unchanging, pretty easy to make an asic..  Quark has random rounds that adds complexity and make it more asic resistant.  realisticly either one can be 'asic'ed' if there was enough incentive.

Only way X11 would win against Quark algo is if marketing of X11 better than marketing of Quark algo.  On their own technical merit, Quark wins hands down.

can others with technical knowledge confirm this (not saying hilux does not have technical knowledge but just good to hear a few more opinions before i smash the bullshit x11 hype) ?

the main hype around drk and a couple of other coins is the x11 algo............if this x11 hype is all bullshit lets crush that down right now before it gets out of hand.

However we have to be rock sure it is not superior to the QRK algo in anyways.

Any hardcore coders here to show the merits of qrk above x11


what are the pros and cons of each algo?

X11 is overhyped and overrated, also read this comparison

Darkcoin in terms of hashing functions it is a combination of Quark's 6 hashing functions and Qubit-coin's 5 hashing functions, so in total Darkcoin has 11. Five of Quark's hashing functions (Blake, Grøstl, JH, Keccak and Skein) were the finalists of the NIST competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST_hash_function_competition

Quark is using 9 rounds of hashing: while using 6 rounds from Blake, Blue Midnight Wish, Grøstl, JH, Keccak and Skein it adds 3 more rounds of hashing randomly: so the computer doesn't know whether it will be Keccak or Grøstl or Blake. And that's one of the uniqiue beauties of Quark. Unfortunately, Darkcoin or Qubitcoin don't do that: the computer remains certain about which hashing function will be used.

Another advantage of Quark might be, Darkcoin's block generation time is 2.5minutes (150seconds), while Quark is 30 seconds. Which means that Quarks algorithm with an element of randomness (unpredictability) will have to be cracked in 30 seconds to create a double-spend fork, while for Darkcoin this window of opportunity for the attacker is 5 timeslonger: 150 seconds with no element of randomness. If you take all these factors into account, Quark is still the most secure - it's not only about the number of hashing functions."

[cryptohunter]

Quark algo will not be the future cause it's not good on GPU in comparison to CPU. My bet is now on darkcoin algo, cause 11 hashing algo will make it ASIC resistant for a long long time, yet it's very fast on GPU. Then there's fudge also.

There's HUGE profit to me made off these new algo coin, since there'll be replacing scrypt coins. Scrypt coin value will slowly fall down as the new coins overtake.

I disagree

1) Speeds hashing Quark or X11 on a GPU are pretty much identical from what I have seen using smelter for Quark since its release and sph-miner for X11 and Quark since its release.  Quark minimally slower vs X11 with sph-miner, likely since it is more complicated.  Since Qaurk hashing speed of smelter is greater than that of sph-miner, it is likely the quark algo of sph-miner could be further optimized, even further minimizing any speed difference.

2)X11 is less asic resistant than Quark.  More rounds of hashing don't make it more asic resistant.  The 11 rounds of X11 are linear and unchanging, pretty easy to make an asic..  Quark has random rounds that adds complexity and make it more asic resistant.  realisticly either one can be 'asic'ed' if there was enough incentive.

Only way X11 would win against Quark algo is if marketing of X11 better than marketing of Quark algo.  On their own technical merit, Quark wins hands down.

can others with technical knowledge confirm this (not saying hilux does not have technical knowledge but just good to hear a few more opinions before i smash the bullshit x11 hype) ?

the main hype around drk and a couple of other coins is the x11 algo............if this x11 hype is all bullshit lets crush that down right now before it gets out of hand.

However we have to be rock sure it is not superior to the QRK algo in anyways.

Any hardcore coders here to show the merits of qrk above x11


what are the pros and cons of each algo?

X11 is overhyped and overrated, also read this comparison

Darkcoin in terms of hashing functions it is a combination of Quark's 6 hashing functions and Qubit-coin's 5 hashing functions, so in total Darkcoin has 11. Five of Quark's hashing functions (Blake, Grøstl, JH, Keccak and Skein) were the finalists of the NIST competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST_hash_function_competition

Quark is using 9 rounds of hashing: while using 6 rounds from Blake, Blue Midnight Wish, Grøstl, JH, Keccak and Skein it adds 3 more rounds of hashing randomly: so the computer doesn't know whether it will be Keccak or Grøstl or Blake. And that's one of the uniqiue beauties of Quark. Unfortunately, Darkcoin or Qubitcoin don't do that: the computer remains certain about which hashing function will be used.

Another advantage of Quark might be, Darkcoin's block generation time is 2.5minutes (150seconds), while Quark is 30 seconds. Which means that Quarks algorithm with an element of randomness (unpredictability) will have to be cracked in 30 seconds to create a double-spend fork, while for Darkcoin this window of opportunity for the attacker is 5 timeslonger: 150 seconds with no element of randomness. If you take all these factors into account, Quark is still the most secure - it's not only about the number of hashing functions."

interesting..... so x11 is just over hyped junk.

[Hilux74]

interesting..... so x11 is just over hyped junk.

Compared to Quark algorithm it is. 

[cryptohunter]

so x11 has no possible advantages over qrk?

also this bullshit it only uses half the resources is crap? since it just shows that the miner has not optimised to the max potential of the card, and that the rumours that some people have far far more tuned miners for x11 whilst everyone else just runs it on super slow could be true?

[mcphervi]

Guys - due to some delays, we've had to delay our Thunderclap one more time until Monday. I hope everyone understands!

Vic

[ivanlabrie]

so x11 has no possible advantages over qrk?

also this bullshit it only uses half the resources is crap? since it just shows that the miner has not optimised to the max potential of the card, and that the rumours that some people have far far more tuned miners for x11 whilst everyone else just runs it on super slow could be true?

Makes sense...qrk algo still isn't ram intensive so it'll be cheaper to implement asics compared to scrypt-chacha.
That can be seen as a con, but it's not 100% vital.

By the time a qrk asic is out it'll mean that quark or other coins adopting its algo succeeded dramatically, otherwise it wouldn't be economically feasible.

[blinkxzero]

so x11 has no possible advantages over qrk?

also this bullshit it only uses half the resources is crap? since it just shows that the miner has not optimised to the max potential of the card, and that the rumours that some people have far far more tuned miners for x11 whilst everyone else just runs it on super slow could be true?

Makes sense...qrk algo still isn't ram intensive so it'll be cheaper to implement asics compared to scrypt-chacha.
That can be seen as a con, but it's not 100% vital.

By the time a qrk asic is out it'll mean that quark or other coins adopting its algo succeeded dramatically, otherwise it wouldn't be economically feasible.

Interesting way to look at it, I suppose. QRK has been on my radar for a long time (mined it for a while), but I can't tell how it's going to be long term. People keep saying it's going to be huge but the markets seem to look the other way.

[dE_logics]

Well then, if X11 is not fast on GPU, we wont see it too. But in my experience, the GPU one is VERY fast; X11 is just too slow on CPU when compared to Quark.

With Quark buying a GPU is kind of pointless. You can buy 2 i7s, overclock them (it has unlocked multiplyer) and get 2MH/s; then we have the cloud.

As of ASIC, my logic is that making 11 hashing functions will be very difficulty when implemented in hardware; Quarks's algo maybe harder but X11 is hard enough to not see an ASIC for a long long time.

Maybe scrypt-n, but I'm pretty sure making an ASIC is easier cause we just need to modify the scrypt ASIC.

[ivanlabrie]

Well then, if X11 is not fast on GPU, we wont see it too. But in my experience, the GPU one is VERY fast; X11 is just too slow on CPU when compared to Quark.

With Quark buying a GPU is kind of pointless. You can buy 2 i7s, overclock them (it has unlocked multiplyer) and get 2MH/s; then we have the cloud.

As of ASIC, my logic is that making 11 hashing functions will be very difficulty when implemented in hardware; Quarks's algo maybe harder but X11 is hard enough to not see an ASIC for a long long time.

Maybe scrypt-n, but I'm pretty sure making an ASIC is easier cause we just need to modify the scrypt ASIC.

Yet it is more expensive cause of the vram chips used.

SHA3 or SHA2 asics are a piece of cake, what drives the cost up is vram.

Scrypt n or chacha would only need an asic capable of adjusting lookup gap values and equipped with more than enough ram for at least two n factor changes.

[Hilux74]

Well then, if X11 is not fast on GPU, we wont see it too. But in my experience, the GPU one is VERY fast; X11 is just too slow on CPU when compared to Quark.

With Quark buying a GPU is kind of pointless. You can buy 2 i7s, overclock them (it has unlocked multiplyer) and get 2MH/s; then we have the cloud.

As of ASIC, my logic is that making 11 hashing functions will be very difficulty when implemented in hardware; Quarks's algo maybe harder but X11 is hard enough to not see an ASIC for a long long time.

Maybe scrypt-n, but I'm pretty sure making an ASIC is easier cause we just need to modify the scrypt ASIC.

Both Quark and X11 are 'hard enough' that you will not see asics for either for some time unless there is a massive incentive to do so (ie quark/dark goes up 1000x in value).  But when they do it will be easier to make one for X11 than Quark algo.

Have you tried mining Quark type algos with a GPU miner??  I think you haven't.  It is VERY fast AND older hardware kicks butt.  I get up to 2.7Mhash/s with a single Radeon 6970 and it is so energy efficient that that card only pulls 100watts when mining quark algo (compared to ~300 for scrypt) and runs cool as a cucumber (quark 55-60oC...scrypt 85oC).  A Radeon 6970 is a hell of a lot cheaper than 2x i7 (+2x motherboard etc etc).  Also for other hardware info I get ~2.3Mhash/s from an 5850 and 2.1 from a 5830.  The kicker is I only get 1.7Mhash/s from a 7970... [these values are from Smelter]

X11 algo is overhyped.  Quark algo is underhyped.  Quark algo kicks ass.

[greentea]

X11 algo is overhyped.  Quark algo is underhyped.  Quark algo kicks ass.

Just passing along the info

[reRaise]

Well then, if X11 is not fast on GPU, we wont see it too. But in my experience, the GPU one is VERY fast; X11 is just too slow on CPU when compared to Quark.

With Quark buying a GPU is kind of pointless. You can buy 2 i7s, overclock them (it has unlocked multiplyer) and get 2MH/s; then we have the cloud.

As of ASIC, my logic is that making 11 hashing functions will be very difficulty when implemented in hardware; Quarks's algo maybe harder but X11 is hard enough to not see an ASIC for a long long time.

Maybe scrypt-n, but I'm pretty sure making an ASIC is easier cause we just need to modify the scrypt ASIC.

Both Quark and X11 are 'hard enough' that you will not see asics for either for some time unless there is a massive incentive to do so (ie quark/dark goes up 1000x in value).  But when they do it will be easier to make one for X11 than Quark algo.

Have you tried mining Quark type algos with a GPU miner??  I think you haven't.  It is VERY fast AND older hardware kicks butt.  I get up to 2.7Mhash/s with a single Radeon 6970 and it is so energy efficient that that card only pulls 100watts when mining quark algo (compared to ~300 for scrypt) and runs cool as a cucumber (quark 55-60oC...scrypt 85oC).  A Radeon 6970 is a hell of a lot cheaper than 2x i7 (+2x motherboard etc etc).  Also for other hardware info I get ~2.3Mhash/s from an 5850 and 2.1 from a 5830.  The kicker is I only get 1.7Mhash/s from a 7970... [these values are from Smelter]

X11 algo is overhyped.  Quark algo is underhyped.  Quark algo kicks ass.

Good read