[ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade

[mcphervi]

So I just started mining this. What's the future outlook for this coin?

and does the name Quark conflict with Quark press?

Quark has a strong core devoted to ensuring its success!

Not sure what you mean on the second part - Quark Press is the press team devoted to Quark.

Vic

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[Coinmama2014]

Great to see DI , VIC and some others back on the thread discussing things.

Even though sadly DI is seems is set against radical change for QRK, at a time i really believe it is needed. However, yes, i appreciate on here there are some people whom have a deeper understanding of things and can see perhaps more long term.

Firstly though the name. I love the name quark, i don't think we should even consider changing it. To be it is the best name of any alt coin. I of course prefer it to bitcoin too.


Let us focus on one thing first and thrash out all possible negatives and positives of the companion coin since i see the core members seem very anti superblock or features being coded into qrk itself. For me the super block is used correctly could have been great for qrk. However, let's let that drop for now.


The companion coin - what can it achieve and is it even part of QRK?

There are different ways it can be born.

 A -It is a sidechain of qrk - with 10-20% greater minting (the development pot)

- could have anon,pos, all made of gadgets features and gimmicks - and i can tell you these must not be underestimated to draw in new interest in terms of investment and activity. A lot of very smart people sit there scratching their heads wondering why their projects which are clearly superior fail against lesser projects.

It would create a funding pot for this coin - every bit of work done on it can clearly be transferred and used on qrk if found to be very desirable or beneficial. It is kind of like a free R and D project for qrk. Every bit of marketing paid for from this development pot can benefit qrk also. Projects and services for this coin can be replicated or enabled to accept qrk. Even if it was not hard linked to qrk forever it would give a lot of great things to qrk and be no more competition than any other alt out there. To claim it the QRK holders outside of qrk that have even perhaps forgotten they own qrk could be induced to come back to qrks forum and register getting involved with the qrk community to get their new companion coin released to them over time, and also an incentive to keep their qrk.

I see zero negatives for the companion coin - it can not detract from qrk if done correctly.


B - The ipo companion - the companioin coin is only available to purchase in QRK.

This way i didn't like at first. However the more i thought about it the more i realised it has a lot of merit to it.  People will need to buy QRK to purchase the new coin directly from the companion coin dev team ( this should be obviously the qrk dev team)  so they are funding the qrk dev team directly. These funds should all go into a development pot to fund and give incentive for full time work and time put into qrk and the new companion coin. The companion coin of course could still have a development pot coded in say 2-5%. Anything reasonable will be accepted if it was held by the qrk foundation or companion foundation and held in public wallets with ledgers for where the coins were spent. Nobody now grudges devs taking coins for doing work. The ipo version though would need to be top of it's class in terms of what people now want ...if they are wrong to want it makes no difference they fact they do want it is enough to mean you are missing out on a lot by not giving it to them.


I would love to see an actual list of positives and negatives regarding the companion coin. I can think of zero negatives at all. Detracting from qrk means nothing. There are 300 alts doing this now hence why qrk is not a top 5 coin. However this companion coin will give a LOT back to quark and it's community. It solves a lot of the issues qrk is facing with zero negatives. Can't ask for more than that. However if someone can point out some real negative impact for qrk here that would be both interesting and helpful.

The end goal is hundreds or more ROI projects and services for qrk holders and investors.

There are still just say 4 or 5 people discussing our future here, where are the other few 1000?

Personally i favour the superblock over companion coin - i just see think if managed correctly it could have such great benefits for such minor risk. However, that does not seem popular so let's thrash out the companion coin idea in detail first.

Even if none of it happens it is good to see some debate and life back in the qrk thread. Let's get another few 100 people back on here then get the ROI projects and services going

Cryptohunter,
I want to thank you for all the time, effort and energy you are placing into your proposals and keeping this thread and discussions going- I personally am not against the idea of a superblock concept per se, if it had been a part of the original design of a coin..However I think that forking Quark's code to place the superblock and thererfore change the original idea/inflation model is not the way to go and may create more negative attention/mistrust for Quark than anything.

The idea of a companion coin to Quark is somewhat appealing, if there were a way to help boost the hashrate (the only real issue for Quark), without creating a fork- while also offering features that Quark supporters might like to see, as well as a development fund for projects - This is why I was asking you to lay out what this might look like, say if the anon features/superblock were added to a companion coin..Is it not possible to accomplish this without affecting Quarks code itself?- Quark itself should remain untouched.
Therefore I tend to lean toward your option A if something could be worked out, that would have no changes to Quark code itself.

Well just about the only thing the companion coin can not solve is the hash rate issue. However, yes the companion coin would not mean touching or altering qrk itself.

Hmmm so the question is..Is there a way to have this companion coin idea re-worked a bit, that could include a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at the same time?? Without touching Quarks code? Hmmm...
I would like to see more discussion and input from the community on this topic:)

[maok]

They emailed me back explaining they were migrating servers and everything is good!

Vic

Ok, thanks for asking

[maok]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

[ycagel]

Refreshing to see Quark up 26%. Could be due to BTC price increase as well. Even though we are at only 1.8c, could be a good sign.

YC

[stompix]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

[georgem]

Yay, price approaches 0.02 $...  I like it.

If the community continues to build and strive we will see 1 $

[greentea]

Refreshing to see Quark up 26%. Could be due to BTC price increase as well. Even though we are at only 1.8c, could be a good sign.

YC

Possibly because of the Cryptsy USD launch today??

[stompix]

Refreshing to see Quark up 26%. Could be due to BTC price increase as well. Even though we are at only 1.8c, could be a good sign.

YC

Possibly because of the Cryptsy USD launch today??

49. Quark (0.02 %)
Source   Pair   Volume (24h)   Price   Volume (%)
BTER   QRK/BTC   $ 4,666   $ 0.020471   35.11 %
Cryptsy   QRK/BTC   $ 4,443   $ 0.016341   33.43 %
BTC38   QRK/CNY   $ 3,575   $ 0.016469   26.90 %

It's actually bter who is pushing the price up...
But the volume is so low....only 7 btc on each

[maok]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

[niothor]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

If it happens with the smallest game out there there will be no impact.
Blizzard is not keen on entering this , they have already a deal with paypal for their games.

Also , why do you thin a company will chose quark and not bitcoin ?
There is no reason for ltc for doge for dark for black and not for quark to be chosen.

Seems like it's all about empty words here
I've seen lots of discussions here (including superblock) but in the end nothing happened.
Waiting for a miracle?

[maok]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

If it happens with the smallest game out there there will be no impact.
Blizzard is not keen on entering this , they have already a deal with paypal for their games.

Also , why do you thin a company will chose quark and not bitcoin ?
There is no reason for ltc for doge for dark for black and not for quark to be chosen.

From a company point of view it would work way better using bitcoin as it has much more liquidity, but from gamer point of view the fact that quark is the fastest protocol releasing blocks ~30 seconds it would be more profitable if they play 1-2 hours per day, the chance of getting an advantage/finding a block is alot higher, more so if they play in teams and each team is on a pool they could get the advantage for the whole team.

[stompix]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

If it happens with the smallest game out there there will be no impact.
Blizzard is not keen on entering this , they have already a deal with paypal for their games.

Also , why do you thin a company will chose quark and not bitcoin ?
There is no reason for ltc for doge for dark for black and not for quark to be chosen.

From a company point of view it would work way better using bitcoin as it has much more liquidity, but from gamer point of view the fact that quark is the fastest protocol releasing blocks ~30 seconds it would be more profitable if they play 1-2 hours per day, the chance of getting an advantage/finding a block is alot higher, more so if they play in teams and each team is on a pool they could get the advantage for the whole team.

Are you talking about mining or gaming here.
Mining for quark is not profitable even if you use a stolen laptop and stolen electricity .

So you plan is to create a game with quark or to use gamers as a multipool?

[maok]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Are you talking about mining or gaming here.
Mining for quark is not profitable even if you use a stolen laptop and stolen electricity .

So you plan is to create a game with quark or to use gamers as a multipool?

The answer is in my initial post

[stompix]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Are you talking about mining or gaming here.
Mining for quark is not profitable even if you use a stolen laptop and stolen electricity .

So you plan is to create a game with quark or to use gamers as a multipool?

The answer is in my initial post

With no profitability there will be no mining.
Why would somebody develop a game that would reward all the gamers 5$ per day?

[reRaise]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

If it happens with the smallest game out there there will be no impact.
Blizzard is not keen on entering this , they have already a deal with paypal for their games.

Also , why do you thin a company will chose quark and not bitcoin ?
There is no reason for ltc for doge for dark for black and not for quark to be chosen.

Seems like it's all about empty words here
I've seen lots of discussions here (including superblock) but in the end nothing happened.
Waiting for a miracle?

Because quark is the first crypto to be in a half million dollar game and used for pc as well as console. First mover advantage so it deserves it, 30 sec transaction and it has the image for gaming imo. If you look at Voidspace made by doge community you will see that they also accept Quark as in-game payments so quark definitely made buzz in gaming amongst Crypyo community. Also there is another smaller game being made in the background and after ShaqFu it will have a pretty good resume regarding gaming. Bitcoin could also be used it's a more well known Crypto, but it's cool to see Bitcoins descendants spreading the word on Crypto by such projects.

[maok]

With no profitability there will be no mining.
Why would somebody develop a game that would reward all the gamers 5$ per day?

The company of that game won't reward the gamers(unless they're testers lol) but the gamers like wasting time playing games so if the game is attractive they will play it for couple of hours a day right ? so if a quarker develops an attractive game which can mine quarks with the gamer consent, the game could secure the network and at the same time they will get rewarded in-game and outside the game whenever their pc will find a block. If they play a strategy game in teams which lasts for couple of hours they could use a pool for mining and if they find a block the whole team will get an advantage in-game with new cars/weapons/etc.

Its a similar idea with that of a possible coin which rewards those who mark spammers/trolls on a forum/facebook. The blockchain allows many possible applications and with Quark protocol which has a fast time per block of 30-40 seconds could be used in games or similar applications for mining, which like you said, provides no profitability at the moment.

[stompix]

a method for increasing Quark's hash rate, increasing funding for projects and inspire the community all at...

Could Quark be included in background on a game like Starcraft, etc so that the gamer gets a reward like more minerals/extra warriors/carriers/etc in-game when he finds a block and also getting the real-life rewards of the quarks. It could be an opt-in promotion where gamers lend their pc power with the chance of getting an advantage during the game and beating their friends with this advantage :-)

Send the guys at Blizzard an email with your idea. I'm sure they will be amazed about it. Not so sure if they will gonna do it in the next millennium ..

Keep the ideas close to the realms of reality and possibility for now

Only used Starcraft as example because thats one of the few games that I know( also RAlert, AOEmpires and NFS games from 10 years ago when playing them) but this could work with the smallest game right ?

If it happens with the smallest game out there there will be no impact.
Blizzard is not keen on entering this , they have already a deal with paypal for their games.

Also , why do you thin a company will chose quark and not bitcoin ?
There is no reason for ltc for doge for dark for black and not for quark to be chosen.

Seems like it's all about empty words here
I've seen lots of discussions here (including superblock) but in the end nothing happened.
Waiting for a miracle?

Because quark is the first crypto to be in a half million dollar game and used for pc as well as console. First mover advantage so it deserves it, 30 sec transaction and it has the image for gaming imo. If you look at Voidspace made by doge community you will see that they also accept Quark as in-game payments so quark definitely made buzz in gaming amongst Crypyo community. Also there is another smaller game being made in the background and after ShaqFu it will have a pretty good resume regarding gaming. Bitcoin could also be used it's a more well known Crypto, but it's cool to see Bitcoins descendants spreading the word on Crypto by such projects.

The game isn't release yet. So any coin can still beat it to nr 1.
And about things going in the "shadow" or "background' , we can easily look at the discussions two pages back and how many of those evaporated without trace.

Quark is not collapsing because people don't want to sell it , but those people will also not use it as paying for something because they want their coin to go up so there will be no usage.
Reminds me of a twisted version of prisoner dilemma

[maok]

Quark is not collapsing because people don't want to sell it , but those people will also not use it as paying for something because they want their coin to go up so there will be no usage.
Reminds me of a twisted version of prisoner dilemma

I had no idea Quark is collapsing :-) you remind me of some bitcoin-haters that said couple of months ago that it will collapse and will reach $10. No point hating a coin for the simple reason its different from Bitcoin.

Regarding your point about consumption I would rather attribute that to deflationary currencies than inflationary ones like Quark because if I hold 1 btc now I'm more incentivised to keep it till it'll reach a certain price in 6-12 months, while if I hold 1 qrk I know the value won't go up in price alot more because the protocol will create more quarks each year so I rather hold more faith in an inflationary currency for day-2 day transactions than a deflationary one, right ? I mean, all bitcoiners - myself included, are waiting for the moon so we can dump it and buy a island, but with Quark I don't have those aspirations and I only hope it'll be accepted at more merchants so I can use it for my internet purchases.

[digitalindustry]

Quark is not collapsing because people don't want to sell it , but those people will also not use it as paying for something because they want their coin to go up so there will be no usage.
Reminds me of a twisted version of prisoner dilemma

I had no idea Quark is collapsing :-) you remind me of some bitcoin-haters that said couple of months ago that it will collapse and will reach $10. No point hating a coin for the simple reason its different from Bitcoin.

Regarding your point about consumption I would rather attribute that to deflationary currencies than inflationary ones like Quark because if I hold 1 btc now I'm more incentivised to keep it till it'll reach a certain price in 6-12 months, while if I hold 1 qrk I know the value won't go up in price alot more because the protocol will create more quarks each year so I rather hold more faith in an inflationary currency for day-2 day transactions than a deflationary one, right ? I mean, all bitcoiners - myself included, are waiting for the moon so we can dump it and buy a island, but with Quark I don't have those aspirations and I only hope it'll be accepted at more merchants so I can use it for my internet purchases.

+1 and the PoS currencies have even less incentive - so the "hording" meme is oh, so , non relevant to Quark.

i like where the system is right now, we have good development and are growing our community, we are doing this by having predictable systems and i'm really amazed with the fiat stability, to tell you the truth even normal economic models wouldn't have it this stable this early in distribution.