[ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade

[cryptohunter]

Hey cryptohunter, thanks for answering, I will come back to the points later on, now I need a break from Quark


This is the proposal that I announced, please check in:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683618.new#new

thanks i checked it out, i really like some of your ideas and implementation of them.

Please let's continue to discuss the qrk only ipo companion coin. I feel it could rescue qrk and would love to see the ball rolling with this as fast as possible.

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[coinerer]

This is my small step into supporting development of QuarkCoin. It is not too much maybe.


    http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com


You can download and try newest QuarkCoin Wallet at     http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com/quarkcoin-0.8.3.24.zip

Wallet is compiled with all the latest available source codes

   quark-master-0.8

   boost_1_55_0
   db-4.8.30.NC
   libpng-1.6.12
   miniupnpc-1.9
   openssl-1.0.1h
   protobuf-2.5.0
   qrencode-3.4.3
   qtbase-opensource-src-5.3.0
   qttools-opensource-src-5.3.0


Do backup of your wallet before installing newest QuarkCoin Wallet.


This is the best what I can do at this moment for Quark development (maybe more soon, I hope).

Try this wallet and post your opinions at this thread! It works for me.



You can support this small steps by sending donations at QuarkCoin Wallet:     QgTsq3KKoCRBqzY7Z9WqHiNErP6yghky1S

I have received the following comment from our dev team regarding this post, until you can prove otherwise? Thank you- Meantime, I have contacted the moderators... If you can prove that you have good intentions and can make your changes publicly viewable, I will edit this post accordingly:
"My first reaction is to stay away!  It's a zip file containing a binary, with no source code available.  Additionally, the text of his post does not mention him adding a single feature, he just lists the libraries he has on his computer that he used when compiling (who cares?).  

Even if it's not a scam, if he wants to make changes to the wallet, he should fork the source code on github and make his changes publicly viewable.  If they are minor ones he should just submit pull requests for them to Max, or Someguy1234 if it's a quark-social specific change.

So my advise is to mark it as a scam and tell people to stay away."

I might agree there are many scams around, but this is not the case. This is my best intention to help QuarkCoin community a bit.

Results of VirusTotal.com check is no errors or suspicious behaviour (Detection ratio:    0 / 57  => all clean after this testing) :

https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/8990810617c4579a5f5fb787e3c4c1b09a19e80349dc7032120e21127eda05a9/analysis/1404954543/

Everybody can suggest other checks for the regularity of linked QuarkCoin Wallet  files at:  


                                                 http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com/quarkcoin-0.8.3.24.zip


I still have not open github account too.


P.S. we got reactions from the development team.  That was my intention too.
                            

[Coinmama2014]

Additionally, our C++ coder/Quark community member: Someguy1234.. will be assisting Max with updates!

From Max Guevera.:

"Status on 0.9.2 code-base upgrade:

I've setup a github repository on:

https://github.com/MaxGuevara/quark092/

based on the latest Bitcoin 0.9.2 branch.

The following changes have been committed:

https://github.com/MaxGuevara/quark092/commits/master

* Makefiles updated
* Chain parameters
* Checkpoints
* Configuration files
* SHA2 POW hashing replaced with Quark hashing
* Some translations from "Bitcoin" to "Quark"
* Graphics
* Payment server

The following changes were applied to Quark:

https://github.com/MaxGuevara/quark/commits/master

All these commits needs to be included in the 0.9.2 branch of Quark.

In particular we still need to add dynamic checkpoints, from this commit:

https://github.com/MaxGuevara/quark/commit/79c3190f111cd97cfa653c382417499c1614948c

Other changes still to do:

* Places where UI text still says "Bitcoin"
* Chinese translations for "Quark"
* Other core differences between Quark and Bitcoin, particular those made by Sifcoin
* Lots of testing!

Someguy(NameEdited), feel free to create pull requests for any additional changes or e-mail me queries you may have.

Cheers"

[cryptohunter]

wow down another 5% - the race to the bottom it seems for qrk.

By the time we decide to do something qrk will be 100 sats again where it started from. Good luck bringing it back from that level.

[quarkfx]

EDIT: I edit terminology to be clear about the proceeding: proof-of-burn is a way to make sure that the newly started coin isn´t heavily premined.

wow down another 5% - the race to the bottom it seems for qrk.

By the time we decide to do something qrk will be 100 sats again where it started from. Good luck bringing it back from that level.

Maybe, but from my experience you do worst when you act quick because you start to get nervous. So lets go through the arguments and our view will be clearer afterwards (i hope

So the Quark only IPO (EDIT: rather Proof-of-burn). As I said elsewhere, i can´t see how the companion coin wouldn´t massively undermine Quark, because people would always ask why the heck they should keep Quark if they can have a "better" coin (and still the same community). I only see one way where proof of burn is a good solution, that is when a Part of the community wants to move away from the developer. I can´t see this as a "companion" solution. However, if the development perspective appears to be negative , then it may be a good solution to move Quark investors to a somewhat more promising solution.

Take this scenario:

1. We look for a capable team of developers who are looking out for a capable and dedicated community (usually not the case, but as I lined out, the community is one key factor to success and we can provide that)
2. The developer create a Quark based coin (working title: core) that adopts features that are seriously promising (and not only to hype the coin, I am especially thinking of features that allow voting with your coins!) with ~ the amount of coins as Quark + a yearly inflation of say 1% (currently we have no stable inflation, that is seriously confusing)
3. We create an Quark proof-of-burn protocol where every 1 destroyed Quark = 1 Core.
4. However 10% of the acquired amount are saved in a community pot which is used as "community share" (I talked about this earlier). This money is administered by treasurers of an elected board (better: smart contracts) and will be distributed in a timeframe that we expect is needed to install a solid infrastructure. This is also the money which we can use to pay the developers on a regular basis (NOT at once).
(optionally 5. Another 40% is stored via smart contract and paid out to shareholders for the next 36 months. This could be a mechanism to reduce prisoners dilemma: People know that there are large shareholders and they might be scared (for good reason?) that those are just waiting for the right time to drop all of their holdings. By "leasing" it back to holders you "store" self-interest and by doing that support trust in the community. (I am not talking about shady concepts like e.g. ECC used [the longer you keep the more you get]. you will get back what you paid in, there is no additional inflation)

I really like this as an alternative in case that there is no development perspective AT ALL. So in my opinion we should seek a critical debate with the developer to level out what is possible and what not with him. If it turns out to be a waste of time then I think this could be our Plan D


Everything I wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683618.new#new
can be applied

[cryptohunter]

wow down another 5% - the race to the bottom it seems for qrk.

By the time we decide to do something qrk will be 100 sats again where it started from. Good luck bringing it back from that level.

Maybe, but from my experience you do worst when you act quick because you start to get nervous. So lets go through the arguments and our view will be clearer afterwards (i hope

So the Quark only IPO. As I said elsewhere, i can´t see how the companion coin wouldn´t massively undermine Quark, because people would always ask why the heck they should keep Quark if they can have a "better" coin (and still the same community). I only see one way where the IPO is a good solution, that is when a Part of the community wants to move away from the developer. I can´t see this as a "companion" solution. However, if the development perspective appears to be negative , then it may be a good solution to move Quark investors to a somewhat more promising solution.

Take this scenario:

1. We look for a capable team of developers who are looking out for a capable and dedicated community (usually not the case, but as I lined out, the community is one key factor to success and we can provide that)
2. The developer create a Quark based coin (working title: core) that adopts features that are seriously promising (and not only to hype the coin, I am especially thinking of features that allow voting with your coins!) with ~ the amount of coins as Quark + a yearly inflation of say 1% (currently we have no stable inflation, that is seriously confusing)
3. We create an Quark only IPO and sell 1 Core = 1 Quark.
4. However 10% of the acquired amount are saved in a community pot which is used as "community premine" (I talked about this earlier). Unlike "normal" premine this money is administered by treasurers of an elected board (better: smart contracts). This is also the money which we can use to pay the developers on a regular basis (NOT at once).
(optionally 5. Another 40% is stored via smart contract and paid out to shareholders for the next 36 months. This could be a mechanism to reduce prisoners dilemma: People know that there are large shareholders and they might be scared (for good reason?) that those are just waiting for the right time to drop all of their holdings. By "leasing" it back to holders you "store" self-interest and by doing that support trust in the community. (I am not talking about shady concepts like e.g. ECC used [the longer you keep the more you get]. you will get back what you paid in, there is no additional inflation)

I really like this as an alternative in case that there is no development perspective AT ALL. So in my opinion we should seek a critical debate with the developer to level out what is possible and what not with him. If it turns out to be a waste of time then I think this could be our Plan D


Everything I wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683618.new#new
can be applied

Maybe, but from my experience you do worst when you act quick because you start to get nervous. So lets go through the arguments and our view will be clearer afterwards (i hope



So the Quark only IPO. As I said elsewhere, i can´t see how the companion coin wouldn´t massively undermine Quark, because people would always ask why the heck they should keep Quark if they can have a "better" coin (and still the same community). I only see one way where the IPO is a good solution, that is when a Part of the community wants to move away from the developer. I can´t see this as a "companion" solution. However, if the development perspective appears to be negative , then it may be a good solution to move Quark investors to a somewhat more promising solution.

hi there,

the problem is here, that we have not acted or reacted to what the market wants for 6 months and the price is falling off of a cliff. Time is a real concern here.

This is not an issue for me to these reasons.

1. people are asking themselves that daily and already moving to other coins. Coins that have no possible give back to qrk.

2. half the qrk holders will not use their qrk to buy coins with POS and anon features. They seem to highly object to them being added to qrk anyway.

3. we could release this coin in batches and control the amount of QRKs that can be used to pay for the new coin.

4. the foundation will control the qrk that was used to buy the new coin they will not dump it on the market like those leaving qrk for other coins.



The other things you mentioned do sound like very good ideas. Also on the other thread you started there are some GREAT ideas.

I like the amount of coins you own giving weight to your vote on things, and i like the forum contributing people for activity, ideas and implementation.

Are you part of the QRK foundation already?

[reRaise]

Digi made a Quark Topic in the alternate crypto currency section where he is looking for a Quark clone to work with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684733.0

Don't know digis Topic is part of quarkfx ideas. Just making sure

[coinerer]

Digi made a Quark Topic in the alternate crypto currency section where he is looking for a Quark clone to work with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684733.0

Don't know digis Topic is part of quarkfx ideas. Just making sure

What is this? Main "independant" supporter of QRK works on clone?

[coinerer]

This is my small step into supporting development of QuarkCoin. It is not too much maybe.


    http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com


You can download and try newest QuarkCoin Wallet at     http://quarkcoin.orgfree.com/quarkcoin-0.8.3.24.7z

Wallet is compiled with all the latest available source codes

   quark-master-0.8

   boost_1_55_0
   db-4.8.30.NC
   libpng-1.6.12
   miniupnpc-1.9
   openssl-1.0.1h
   protobuf-2.5.0
   qrencode-3.4.3
   qtbase-opensource-src-5.3.1
   qttools-opensource-src-5.3.1


Do backup of your wallet before installing newest QuarkCoin Wallet.


This is the best what I can do at this moment for Quark development (maybe more soon, I hope).

Try this wallet and post your opinions at this thread! It works for me.



You can support this small steps by sending donations at QuarkCoin Wallet:     QgTsq3KKoCRBqzY7Z9WqHiNErP6yghky1S

I updated Qtbase and Qttools to versions 5.3.1. (what was possible to compile with 5.3.0 is not possible with 5.3.1 (by changing number only), so I had to adjust my configuration)

Also, i compressed files with 7z (decompress with http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sevenzip/7z920.exe or http://rarlab.com/rar/wrar510.exe) because of better compression than zip-compression, and limited 10M filesize at orgfree.com

Who want to try and see they could.

Results of VirusTotal.com check  for updated file is at
https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/6c8d1f839bc6535d51de09074fa1acbc8c60193004bd312841fbf05c44a08363/analysis/1405012709/

Everything is clean from viruses


Do something useful for QRK

[coinerer]

wow down another 5% - the race to the bottom it seems for qrk.

By the time we decide to do something qrk will be 100 sats again where it started from. Good luck bringing it back from that level.

bottom is at 21 sat

[reRaise]

Someone change the OP, the quark mobile wallet is not in Beta anymore. BTW quarkbar copied quarks mobile app and even the splash screen lol

[StephenJH]

"bottom is at 21 sat"

Yep, I still have a couple qrk i bought for 21 satoshi each...

[esotericizm]

Someone change the OP, the quark mobile wallet is not in Beta anymore. BTW quarkbar copied quarks mobile app and even the splash screen lol

Hrm the Quark wallet looks oddly similar to the bitcoin wallet which in turn looks oddly similar to the doge wallet and dgb wallet and every other wallet that uses Andreas Schildbachs code as their base.

[silvermetal]

Now we are throwing up solutions, then another one from my side about the merged mining coin.

I read some of the proposals and in my opinion we make it all too complicated...I should have studied maths and economics if I want to follow just a bit of it. How will you explain the final idea? And why would we think the final idea is good for Quark?

Why not start just a simple  coin for fun. Make a game / social site (something like gamepoint or something) where the community comes together, and everybody can earn some coins just by mining. It will have only have virtual value so nobody cares if you loose 10000s of that coin. You can easily mine it back. Nobody get rich with that coin and it helps to get some hashrate. People will not mine it for 100% most probably, but maybe 5-10%? Every little bits help. The game site should be easy accessible via the Quark wallet (extra hashrate for Quark). Also in the chat you can throw each other some coins when he/she has been helpful in the IRC. It will be just a friendly coin, worthless but fun and no competitor for Quark.

The reason why people are not playing games with Quark (at quark universe) for example is that they consider Quark as real money.

Play games with your fellow quarkers and help the hashrate.

Quark wants to be a game coin or not?

[coinerer]

"bottom is at 21 sat"

Yep, I still have a couple qrk i bought for 21 satoshi each...

I have mined by electrical costs. I don't know if it is lower.

[coinerer]

Now we are throwing up solutions, then another one from my side about the merged mining coin.

I read some of the proposals and in my opinion we make it all too complicated...I should have studied maths and economics if I want to follow just a bit of it. How will you explain the final idea? And why would we think the final idea is good for Quark?

Why not start just a simple  coin for fun. Make a game / social site (something like gamepoint or something) where the community comes together, and everybody can earn some coins just by mining. It will have only have virtual value so nobody cares if you loose 10000s of that coin. You can easily mine it back. Nobody get rich with that coin and it helps to get some hashrate. People will not mine it for 100% most probably, but maybe 5-10%? Every little bits help. The game site should be easy accessible via the Quark wallet (extra hashrate for Quark). Also in the chat you can throw each other some coins when he/she has been helpful in the IRC. It will be just a friendly coin, worthless but fun and no competitor for Quark.

The reason why people are not playing games with Quark (at quark universe) for example is that they consider Quark as real money.

Play games with your fellow quarkers and help the hashrate.

Quark wants to be a game coin or not?

Simple coins for fun?   There are more than 600 

Repeat once again? What doge did at its 1st month?


Doge market at all of the main exchanges. Doge made standard what successful coin should do.


Now I read ideas about cloning, raising number of coins, PoS, and other nonsenses for me.


I almost agree with market is perfect in reflecting all available informations. 

And devs should retain monopoly on creating and compiling QuarkCoin Wallet with all newest available libraries. 


Fantastic coins

[quarkfx]

@cryptohunter

the problem is here, that we have not acted or reacted to what the market wants for 6 months and the price is falling off of a cliff. Time is a real concern here.

I agree that too much time has passed undone (especially since some people simply talked problems away) but this doesn´t change that we need to weigh up advantages and disadvantages in the present and should at no cost rush into any solution in my opinion.

2. half the qrk holders will not use their qrk to buy coins with POS and anon features. They seem to highly object to them being added to qrk anyway.

On what base do you make this statement?

3. we could release this coin in batches and control the amount of QRKs that can be used to pay for the new coin.

4. the foundation will control the qrk that was used to buy the new coin they will not dump it on the market like those leaving qrk for other coins.

Even if the foundation would control the Quarks and hold them back from market people will ask themselves if they should rather stick with quark or the other coin and why the hell there is a second coin. From the perspective of an observer this is confusing and as long as there is no obvious good reason why there are two coins it doesn´t sound sustainable to me.

Are you part of the QRK foundation already?

I received a foundational mail address because I was contacting possible external partners, so I would consider myself to be associated to the foundation. I always rejected to become part of the foundation as long as it has no democratic and transparent structure. However, I am working closely with the people and I can tell you that everyone is working hard to find a solution. I think the problem that makes it take so long is a lack of institutionalization. The foundation needs a real structure and things will become more effective and less time consuming. However, this is tough work and all of us have normal life, work & freetime. This is why I am pushing for public discussions. We should do this together and exchange opinions publicly.

@reRaise

I don´t know to whom DI refers when he says "we". I know he had his own plans - if the Foundation would have agreed on something like this I would know and it is no t the case.

[coinerer]

Keep brainstorming ideas about cloning, raising number of coins, PoS, merged mining with new clones, inviting devs for new clones,  ...

Quarks from bull to shit.   It is market.    From shit it has chance to grow again.

Continue and price will be good to buy soon.


Sorry

[quarkfx]

I´ll answer some question that reached me via mail by Quarkcheck (he wrote:I don't mind to post this as well to the bitcointalk thread, if you prefer to answer them publicly)

2.The developer create a Quark based coin (working title: core)

What you mean by Quark based coin? A new coin with Quark algo?

Yes, Quark algo but it can have other features.

3.We create a Quark only IPO and sell 1 Core = 1 Quark

Do you mean without miner mining? Only IPO with Quark purchases?

I thought about a PoS+PoW system that works on an inflation rate comparable to Quark (~0.5-1% but steady)

You may know this whitepaper, if not: check it out. I really liked it, also because it allows for voting on interest rate by the community. Maybe we could even ask the dev. He has his mail address posted on the thread. Maybe bit too early, but I think we can bookmark him and come back to him in case we are going for something like this.

4.10% "community premine"

You mean from the IPO to get 10%?

Well yes, premine (or mint?) because the coins that are distributed need to exist in advance. 10% are discounted and given to the community (administered by a solid Foundation).

5. Another 40% is stored via smart contract and paid out to shareholders for the next 36 months.

Do you mean that the 40% of IPO to only pay out the shareholders for the next 36 months?
So far I see 10% + 40% = 50%.... and the renaming 50% for miners??

2 example scenarios:

1. You pay 10.000 QRK
>> 9.000 COR go to you
>> 1.000 COR go to the Foundation

1. You pay 10.000 QRK
>> 5.000 COR go to you
>> 1.000 COR go to the Foundation
>> 4.000 COR are stored and leased back to you monthly in (e.g.) 36 months (no additional profit, just as an insurrance for the launch and development phase that people stay supportive [even if they don´t do anything] and not dump their coins [easily]) I haven´t seen this implemented - only models where developers promised rewards for leaving coins on the wallet.

[quarkfx]

Keep brainstorming ideas about cloning, raising number of coins, PoS, merged mining with new clones, inviting devs for new clones,  ...

Quarks from bull to shit.   It is market.    From shit it has chance to grow again.

Continue and price will be good to buy soon.


Sorry

Don´t know what your agenda is, you seem repeating points (and smilieys) you already made.