2024 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

[LeGaulois]

People thinking Bitcoin is an anonymous cryptocurrency is simply a total misconception as you know (or at least you should).
There are some Bitcoin users looking to get real privacy and this is where such websites are useful. Privacy is a right, not a privilege
I a not going to talk about the advantages to use such websites, (privacy, tainted coins, etc...) this is not the purpose of this topic.
 
I am trying to make an updated list of Bitcoin mixers/tumblers websites.
it will be useful to other users/readers, especially when there are some scams to avoid(cloned sites, etc...))

Disclaimer:
Although the list is updated as frequently as possible, (as soon as a change is needed), it's important for people to do their own research to make up their own opinion. Follow the announcement topics (links are posted when there is one), see what's going on, check the recent feedback from others, etc...

It can be very easy to be fooled. There are a lot of scams, much more than legitimate tumblers, (unfortunately).
Some don't bother to create a website with a different TLD (.net instead of .com) and replicate the design of a well-known mixer in order to mislead people.
Others go further using the IDN homograph attack.
To make it simple they use very similar characters. For example, using "l" lowercase L, and "I" uppercase "i". Or "ẹ" instead of "e".

examples below:

Code:

aladinwebsite .net
aiadinwebsite .net
bitcointumblerslist. com
bitcointumblẹrslist .com

Don't forget to visit Scams Bitcoin Mixers List and Services closed to avoid loosing money

You may be interested to read @mocacinno on Mixers using cloudflare's SSL certificates

These discussions are defenately not limited to mixers, but should extend to any site that handles information you're not willing to share with law enforcement. It's perfectly fine to use cloudflare on your blog, your forum or on your site selling mouth masks.
It's not fine to use cloudflare on banking apps, ammo stores, mixers,...

2024 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

⭐Name: CryptoMixer
🔹Launched on: May 2016
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  0.5% + 0.0005 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Mixtum
🔹Launched on: August 2018
🔹Fees: 4% - 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Minimum amount: 0.005 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: UniJoin
🔹Launched on: March 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  from 1 to 3% +  Network fee
🔹Minimum amount: variable
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Coinomize
🔹Launched on: May 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 1% - 5% (+ 0.0003 Network fee)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Launched on: August 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: No
⭐Name: Mixtura
🔹Launched on: July 2021
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: up to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Mixer
🔹Launched on: December 2021
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: 4-5% + 0,0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0,003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes  

⭐Name: Bitmixer
🔹Launched on: July 2022
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Mixero
🔹Launched on: November 2022
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.7% to 4.7% + 0.0003 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.002 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Webmixer
🔹Launched on: April 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + network fees (0,00035 or 0007 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: MedusaMixer
🔹Launched on: April 2023
🔹Fees: from 4 to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Mixy
🔹Launched on: June 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: 3-5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Whir
🔹Launched on:
🔹Fees: 1% fixed fee
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 10 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Thormixer
🔹Launched on: July 2023
🔹Fees: 4% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes
⭐Name: Tumbler
🔹Launched on: September 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.4% to 5% + 0.0003 BTC (Discount on fees from 10% to 50% for returning customers)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

Alternatives to Bitcoin mixers with Coinjoin

What is Coinjoin?

"CoinJoin is a trustless method for combining multiple Bitcoin payments from multiple spenders into a single transaction to make it more difficult for outside parties to determine which spender paid which recipient or recipients."

More about it: CoinJoin
⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:
🔹Fees: 0.003%  multiplied by the anonymity set (number of participants of the CoinJoin)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.1BTC
⭐Name: Samourai
🔹Clearnet link: https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool
🔹Tor link: 72typmu5edrjmcdkzuzmv2i4zqru7rjlrcxwtod4nu6qtfsqegngzead.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: flat fee for an unlimited anonymity set.
🔹Minimum amount: .01BTC
⭐Name: JoinMarket
🔹Clearnet link: download at https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver
🔹Tor link:
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.0
🔹Fees: Varies. Typically, around 0.0001% per participant per round, or about 0.005%
🔹Minimum amount: Varies

I created the list myself and didn't copy anyone. It's just that some blogs copy-pasted this topic and make it their own.

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[LeGaulois]

This post has been moved to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381839

An archived version can be found at
web.archive.org/web/20220117204917/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg29058223

[TryNinja]

Anyone is aware of what it's going on with Helix? Are they out of business?

They closed their doors ~1 month ago.

Here is the closing announcement: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/7il24c/so_long_and_thanks_for_all_the_fish/
Btw, be careful to not link scam mixers. I have heard many users saying that Fog is selective scamming. Also, they have a unresolved accusation about stealing 998 Bitcoins since 2015 and a lot of recent complains in their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50037.600

Edit: PrivCoin is also listed as "PriceCoin".

[LeGaulois]

Thank you @TryNinja, I found a paragraph on Reddit about Fog. I removed it from the list and corrected the "Privcoin" name. And I didn't know Helix is now out of business.

[richardsNY]

Great contribution! I didn't even know there were more than just the mixing services we see people wear signatures of. Maybe an idea to add the fees that some mixers add on top of the regular mixing fees for each generated deposit address/output address -- CoinMixer for example charges an extra 0.0011 BTC per address. Also, an indication of minimum transaction value per mixing task would be helpful too. Most mixers consider everything below that minimum to be a donation.

[LeGaulois]

Thanks @richardsNY I removed some things as I don't want to turn it in "here my opinion". I prefer rather to just list Bitcoin mixers and let people having their own.
I will add some stuff like How, When, Why use mixers and why not some tutorials/reviews.

[bestmixer]

Name: BESTMIXER.IO
Clearnet link: https://bestmixer.io/en
Tor link: bestmixer7o57mba.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: Here (from 0.5% + discounts)

[shield132]

⭐Name: CryptoMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]/
🔹Tor link: http://cryptomixns23scr.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484009.0
🔹Fees:  0.5% + 0.0005BTC

Good idea, worth to unite all of them together..

[pinkflower]

Which of them are honeypots and which of them are safe? Its really hard to trust any of them especially after reading Snowden's comments.

The NSA worked to “track down” bitcoin users, snowden documents reveal

After the weird final statement of Bitmixer's founder, it maybe one of the last real mixing service thats not a honeypot.

[Kemarit]

Name: BITMIXCOIN.IO
Clearnet link: https://www.bitmixcoin.io/
Tor link: http://bitmixtrsdck5wzy.onion/
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: Here

[tabas]

it will be useful to others users/readers, especially when there are some scams to avoid(cloned sites, etc...))

There's a fake website that is copying the legit bitblender.io

This is the fake one

www.bitblender.org

[LeGaulois]

Thanks guys for the contribution (y)

So, I updated the list and added 3 services BestMixer, CryptoMixer, BitMixcoin and added a link redirecting to a tool from bestmixer.io
('Coin Anonymisation Event'-check) https://bestmixer.io/en/cae-check People may find it useful.

Good idea, worth to unite all of them together..

Basically, I needed to make a list for myself so why not then post it here if it can help people (by saving their time or introducing them to such service)

Nice list, but do you consider add website/wallet which use CoinJoin feature which offer different kind of privacy/anonymity such as BobWallet?

Nice idea, I will spend sometime later this week about this. I visited the Bob Wallet and I like it, I will follow it

Which of them are honeypots and which of them are safe? Its really hard to trust any of them especially after reading Snowden's comments.

The NSA worked to “track down” bitcoin users, snowden documents reveal

After the weird final statement of Bitmixer's founder, it maybe one of the last real mixing service thats not a honeypot.

....Or one of the first mixing service and honeypot that closed after getting enough information for the moment 
I trust Chipmixer for this, and I am not saying it because I wear the signature but because I am using the service long before. The system used by Chipmixer is by far more advanced and different than other (some are "vulnerable"), trust me.

[pinkflower]

If Bitmixer was a honeypot then that should make us wary of trusting all mixers altogether. I am not pinpointing any mixer, but its good to make everyone aware of the risks.

For criminals, if they get caught by a honeypot, fine. But ordinary people trying to keep their anonymity should be left alone.

[BitMixBiz]

Name: BitMix.Biz
Clearnet link: https://bitmix.biz
Tor link: bitmixbizymuphkc.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: from 0.4% + discounts

[LeGaulois]

Hi BitMixBiz

Thank you for posting, I added your site to the original post. I visited your website but I am not able to find something mentioned about discounts
Is it something available for a short period of time? FAQ page isn't mentioning something about it, so just asking

[TryNinja]

Hi BitMixBiz

Thank you for posting, I added your site to the original post. I visited your website but I am not able to find something mentioned about discounts
Is it something available for a short period of time? FAQ page isn't mentioning something about it, so just asking

I'm not sure if there is anything else, but I remember reading about this:

[...]

• The minimum fees are too much for a normal person like me but you can have a 50% discount if you write a review from other forum and send it to them via email.

[...]

[LeGaulois]

Ah I see.
If I have to post each upcoming discount or offer, about every Bitcoin mixer, it will end as an advertisement thread, and basically, I was looking for an informational listing. 2019 they will ask people to send a newsletter.

Some time ago I received "an offer" for some money in exchange to list a site at the top of the list, which I didn't even reply to such request, as it's a big NO.

[LeGaulois]

Just to be clear:
I don't accept any money to list your service. It's free. I am not looking to make money with, I am just a member participating in the forum and sharing a list I believe can save the time for other. nothing more...

Some PM asking for a price but I repeat I don't accept any money

SmartMix recently changed the fee structure and decreased it by 50%. Now the fees are 0.5% plus 0.0001 BTC it's one of the cheapest with some others on the list.
Any other service to add is welcome, do you know any not listed in the OP?
Thank you



GhostMixer has been added to the list

[Koro-Sensei]

Update:
SmartMix recently changed the fee structure and decreased it by 50%. Now the fees are 0.5% plus 0.0001 BTC it's one of the cheapest with some others on the list.
Any other service to add is welcome, do you any not listed in the OP?
Thank you

Woah thanks for rebumping and reupdates didn't know there are lots of choices when it comes to mixer i really don't trust any mixer other than tthe chipmixer. I was careful enough to just stick with the safe method other than throwing myself in danger give this guy an applause he deserves it.

[Kemarit]

Name: Bitwhisk
Clearnet link: https://bitwhisk.io/
Tor link: bitwhiskv7myl5d2.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: Here

[LeGaulois]

Name: Bitwhisk
Clearnet link: https://bitwhisk.io/
Tor link: bitwhiskv7myl5d2.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: Here

Added to the list. Thank you

[robber]

Ok hope it's ok to post here but I have quickly visited all the sites and put the minimums/ fees and some other relevant info for noobs and small players in another list here:

Note that about half of the sites will absorb amounts sent below the minimum, yet don't list the minimum on the main page.

BITWHISK
0.5% fee + miners fee rate in sat/B
interface implies you can send small amounts.
however it also mentions that dust will be considered a donation
not sure what the minimum would be, especially when the fee is sat/byte
BITMIXcoin.io
0.01 minimum, it says please do not mix less than this
there is no indication however what will happen if you try
minimum mix fee 1% + 0.0005 per forwarding address
says they offer escrow on the forum can’t see it on the site just now though
COINMIXER.se
random service fee 1-3 % and address fee 0.0001 BTC per output
interface won’t accept amounts smaller than .001
see elsewhere on this forum for info about these sites
BITCLOAK
smallest amount seems to be 0.01,
unlike many of the mixers they will not accept smaller amounts
BitCloak fee is randomized for every order and is set around 2%. There is also a network fee of 0.0004 Bitcoins for each payout address
BITBLENDER
Minimum for quickmix is 0.01 BTC after fees (clearly labelled)
doesn’t say what the fees are though on the site
a long running service but has apparently had some hiccups here and there
GHOST MIXER
fees 1-3% transaction .00005btc
minimum deposit 0.01btc, clearly labelled at the input
[banned mixer]
minimum transaction size: 0.001BTC, smaller transactions considered donations
minimum fee is 0.5% plus 0.0005BTC
CHIPMIXER.com
minimum transaction size: 0.004BTC
pay as you like but smallest option is 0.001BTC (?)
smallest chip is 0.001BTC, apparently rounded down and leftovers absorbed as a donation(?)
BESTMIXER.io
minimum Bitcoin: 0.001 BTC
"Smaller amounts will be considered as donations and will not be refunded if sent to our wallet"
fees appear to be only 0.5%(?)
BITMIX.biz
our mixing fee is 0.4-4% (you can set it manually) and address fee:
Bitcoin: 0.001 per output address
minimal amount of Bitcoin for mixing is 0.007 per output address and maximal 1000.
Only transactions in this range will be accepted. Amounts below the minimal will be considered as donations
PRIVCOIN.io
Bitcoin our minimum fee is 0.8% plus 0.0005 BTC per forwarding address
smallest bitcoin: 0.005 BTC
Smaller amounts will be considered donations and not returned
BLENDER.io
minimum transaction size: 0.01BTC, smaller transactions considered donations
Our fees range from 0.5% to 3% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC
SMARTMIX
"We take a 0.5% service fee per transaction plus a fee of 0.0001 BTC per payout address as transaction fee."
Amounts smaller than 0.001 BTC are not profitable for us to mix. Therefore we consider smaller amounts sent to us as donations.
also note: some scam warnings/negative posts on this forum

ok there you go, feel free to correct anything that is wrong, trying to be helpful here

note strikethrough updated late july2018

[TryNinja]

You should format this better.

I also have a quick few notes:

[banned mixer]
minimum transaction size: 0.001BTC, smaller transactions considered donations
minimum fee is 0.5% plus 0.0005BTC (for every incoming transaction)

Correction: plus 0.0005BTC for every incoming transaction.

CHIPMIXER.com
minimum transaction size: 0.004 0.001BTC
pay as you like but smallest option is 0.001BTC (?)
smallest chip is 0.001BTC, apparently rounded down and leftovers absorbed as a donation(?)

The minimum is 0.001BTC. It was only increased temporarily while the Bitcoin fees were high.

BLENDER.io < scam
minimum transaction size: 0.01BTC, smaller transactions considered donations
Our fees range from 0.5% to 3% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC

This mixer is most likely a scam.

[TryNinja]

Looks like its time for you to remove BitMixCoin from the list since they probably exit scammed.

[VERIFIED] Scam accusation against BITMIXCOIN.IO
So far, it has been 3 days without any answer from BitMixCoin (PS: The Letter of Guarantee has been verified).

The scammed user hasn't received anything since June 9.

I have sent to Bitmixcoin 16 bitcoins at 19:39:26, 9th of June 2018. Until now i dont get any bitcoin from them. I have sent a email to them. They still dont answer me.


https://imgur.com/dAm4bpT

https://imgur.com/6CkHvGj

https://imgur.com/rptSNsQ

Update: Confirmed as a scam by Vod!

I have read the letter of guarantee so I can confirm that an address posted by bitmixcoin.io was sent 16+ btc.

[LeGaulois]

Removed Bitmixcoin from the list. Thanks for the update @TryNinja, and thanks too to @LoyceV and @Vod.
For those who have been scammed, I am sorry, you are welcome to use Chipmixer whenever you want No craps
Real mixing service, true anonymity

[swogerino]

Can anyone confirm if Pay shield is still working ? I am an old user of the dark net and I know there were some scam accusations against Pay Shield in different dark net markets and forums.

I know they are a reputable company but I think they need a confirmation as that is the only way I would mix coin with them. There are a lot of clear net which are better like Chipmixer. I think you should add a warning to it until a confirmation is proved for them.

[NowYouAreSee]

Could you please correct your list?
The fact is that one of the services, namely SmartMix.io was charged with a scam March 23, 2018.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg32960872#msg32960872
After that, several more users confirmed that they had lost coins.
To date, the SmartMix.io did not make any reply messages, which indicates that the service most likely ceased to exist.

[LeGaulois]

I will check about smartmixer to be sure because I see the users who complained are users with 2 posts or coming back after almost 5 years of inactivity in the topic link you posted.

As for Pay shield I haven't heard lately so I don't know but I will search to see how it's going and remove it it if needed

Thanks guys

[mrverax]

Hi,

I am not familiar with your list or website, but I presume it aims to promote reputable mixing services. 
 
SmartMix.io is a scam.

A few days ago, I sent one blog webmaster undeniable proof that Smartmix.io is a scam.
The webmaster was quickly convinced that SmartMix.io was in fact a scam, pulled several articles that promoted Smartmix.io from their site and immediately published
the following scam alert:

https://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/scam-alert-smartmix-io-is-a-confirmed-scam/

If you are still unsure about Smartmix.io, I will gladly email you the evidence for your review so you can clean up your list.

My goal is to thoroughly expose Smartmix.io and completely bury the service.

Thanks.

[TryNinja]

My goal is to thoroughly expose Smartmix.io and completely bury the service.

Then just post your evidence. I've checked your article and you didn't say anything about why SmartMix is a scam.

Who is going to believe in you? If you want to bury the service, then you need to publicly expose them.

[LeGaulois]

Hi,

I am not familiar with your list or website, but I presume it aims to promote reputable mixing services. 
 
SmartMix.io is a scam.

A few days ago, I sent one blog webmaster undeniable proof that Smartmix.io is a scam.
The webmaster was quickly convinced that SmartMix.io was in fact a scam, pulled several articles that promoted Smartmix.io from their site and immediately published
the following scam alert:

https://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/scam-alert-smartmix-io-is-a-confirmed-scam/

If you are still unsure about Smartmix.io, I will gladly email you the evidence for your review so you can clean up your list.

My goal is to thoroughly expose Smartmix.io and completely bury the service.

Thanks.

Yes please, if you have an undeniable proof can you post it here for everyone to see? If it"s needed I will, of course, update the list and remove the site. Thanks

[mrverax]

My goal is to thoroughly expose Smartmix.io and completely bury the service.

Then just post your evidence. I've checked your article and you didn't say anything about why SmartMix is a scam.

Who is going to believe in you? If you want to bury the service, then you need to publicly expose them.

Hmmm. 

I haven't written any articles, nor did I say that I did.
I haven't asked anyone to believe in me.
And I question your assertion that I need to "publicly expose them" to bury their service.

Having said that, I do appreciate that your response does convey that you are interested in the evidence I offered to provide.

I will post it.

Please read carefully, OK?

[mrverax]

Hi,

I am not familiar with your list or website, but I presume it aims to promote reputable mixing services. 
 
SmartMix.io is a scam.

A few days ago, I sent one blog webmaster undeniable proof that Smartmix.io is a scam.
The webmaster was quickly convinced that SmartMix.io was in fact a scam, pulled several articles that promoted Smartmix.io from their site and immediately published
the following scam alert:

https://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/scam-alert-smartmix-io-is-a-confirmed-scam/

If you are still unsure about Smartmix.io, I will gladly email you the evidence for your review so you can clean up your list.

My goal is to thoroughly expose Smartmix.io and completely bury the service.

Thanks.

Yes please, if you have an undeniable proof can you post it here for everyone to see? If it"s needed I will, of course, update the list and remove the site. Thanks

OK.  I have limited time for the next few days, so I will publish this in parts, hopefully at least one part per day:
 
Part 1 will provide the essential evidence that proves SmartMix.io stole BTC.   
Part 2 will describe the scammer's modus operandi and how he fucked up in this instance
Part 3 will show how the scammer has responded to being exposed

Part 1 comes next.

[mrverax]

SmartMix.io is a scam - Evidence, Part 1

User received an email request for evidence supporting the claim that SmartMix.io is a scam.

The user responded as follows:


Some peripheral supporting evidence can be found here:

1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg40602386#msg40602386
2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg32960872#msg32960872
3) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg36160019#msg36160019


Concrete evidence is shown in attached .pdf showing screenshots of two recent Txs with SmartMix.io.  
1) The first Tx did not end in the theft of the user's BTC, but is pertinent in that it shows an address owned by SmartMix.io.  
2) The 2nd Tx resulted in the user's BTC being stolen.  

Viewing the Tx via blockchain.info, one can clearly see that the user sent BTC to SmartMix.io's address.  One can further see that the BTC was not mixed, nor was BTC sent back to the user's specified address.

SmartMix.io has failed to respond to any communication via their website support contact form at https://smartmix.io/support or emails sent to smartmix@gmx.net.

Thus it can be confirmed that SmartMix.io received BTC and failed to send BTC back to the user.

Here are direct links to the relevant Txs on the BTC blockchain:

1) Tx showing SmartMix.io ownership of address, 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj4
https://blockchain.info/tx/51a67b7d3a4593df246969004e75d70f307f043275afb0b8ea205c3397216a33

2) Tx showing SmartMix.io's address, 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj4, received BTC from user.
https://blockchain.info/tx/50135c1e012202f60ac414faebeec8a1a138589fa1bbf86c7d40cad0922790d1

3) User's specified output address shows balance of zero - i.e. user did not receive BTC (mixed or not) from SmartMix.io.
https://blockchain.info/address/1DFnmz26X4c3gBtpbgwz2HRJHkCqJfRuh1

Of course, feel free to try to contact SmartMix.io and obtain his side of the story, if he has one.  

Simple question for him to answer:  Tx #2 (above) shows conclusively that you received 1.8620081 BTC, but you did not mix those BTC and send them to the user's specified address.  User claims that you have also failed to respond to any of her communication attempts.  Why?

If you have any further questions, I'll try to answer them.  Email me.


The .pdf mentioned can be found here.   It consists of annotated screen shots that step through the two transactions discussed above.

[shield132]

What about to rank them? I mean to make it easy for customers to make a choice with some factors like how much year is the mixer active and etc...
Because as you see, bitmixcoin turned into scam, as I remember they weren't in your list but if they were between serious mixers, it would be unfair.
I think it's better to include how much year they are active in mixing since ranking them by our choice would cause a lot of issues.

[LeGaulois]

What about to rank them? I mean to make it easy for customers to make a choice with some factors like how much year is the mixer active and etc...
Because as you see, bitmixcoin turned into scam, as I remember they weren't in your list but if they were between serious mixers, it would be unfair.
I think it's better to include how much year they are active in mixing since ranking them by our choice would cause a lot of issues.

The list isn't ranked by my choice, it's random. I think it's useless to add since how many time the service is online because it doesn't make it more trustworthy than a young Bitcoin mixer. And I could give a concrete example without a problem.
BitMixcoin was on the list but when @TryNinja sent me a message with details to tell me that the site had turned into a scam I removed it directly the next day

[Avirunes]

What about to rank them? I mean to make it easy for customers to make a choice with some factors like how much year is the mixer active and etc...
Because as you see, bitmixcoin turned into scam, as I remember they weren't in your list but if they were between serious mixers, it would be unfair.
I think it's better to include how much year they are active in mixing since ranking them by our choice would cause a lot of issues.

The list isn't ranked by my choice, it's random. I think it's useless to add since how many time the service is online because it doesn't make it more trustworthy than a young Bitcoin mixer. And I could give a concrete example without a problem.
BitMixcoin was on the list but when @TryNinja sent me a message with details to tell me that the site had turned into a scam I removed it directly the next day

Better is to list them under scam category if you want to maintain. Your thread will be able to provide information about not only active good Bitcoin Mixers but also a list of sites which turned into scam and one should avoid using it.

[LeGaulois]

Thanks for the suggestion, yes it's a list I planned to maintain and I hadn't thought of that and I think you're right. I will add a list of scam services so. Because yeah it can help the other members to avoid using it. Will do it today or tomorrow...

[Kprawn]

I feel that you should include some kind of rating system to see which of these sites are the best, based on user-friendliness

and speed and also fees. There are a lot of these sites out there and some of them are very difficult to use. It is strange

that people think that Bitmixer.io was a honeypot.   

[NowYouAreSee]

I will check about smartmixer to be sure because I see the users who complained are users with 2 posts or coming back after almost 5 years of inactivity in the topic link you posted.

As for Pay shield I haven't heard lately so I don't know but I will search to see how it's going and remove it it if needed

Thanks guys

At least in their profile it is clear that they were on the network June 21, 2018, 02:57:09 PM, but did not bother to respond to users who accuse them of fraud.
At least you could indicate in your list that they do not respond to messages on the forum.
In general, silence is a sign of agreement. Those. if they do not refute the charges, then they agree.

[mrverax]

SmartMix.io is a scam - Part 2

In Part 1, the following was established:

1. The user’s 1st Tx with SmartMix.io appeared to succeed; user sent 0.7001 BTC to SmartMix.io and got back 0.7 BTC (nothing being said here about whether the coins were mixed or not; just that SmartMix.io sent back the users’s BTC).
2. The user’s 2nd Tx with SmartMix.io failed.  User sent 1.8620081 BTC, and received nothing back.

User submitted several support requests via the contact form on SmartMix.io’s website, but received no response…

...that is, until a couple days later, when a blog webmaster, upon reviewing the evidence, acted with awesome integrity and pulled every SmartMix.io promotional article from his blog and issued a scam warning.

Emailing from smartmix@protonmail.com (email address not listed anywhere on SmartMix.io's website) the scammer wrote to the user:

“please excuse our late answer.
Your support requests from aebib@pm.me landed in our spam folder.
The only thing that actually came through were the threats sent with the adresses smartmix@gmx.net and dead@youare.com. (not so nice)
We will investigate the situation and check all the information you provided us.
This may take a day.”

Not that it's relevant, but the user did not submit any support requests using ANY of the email addresses listed in the scammer's email, and did not send any threats. 

That was the only communication the user ever received from the scammer.

The user responded to the scammer’s email as follows:

“Your support form should not have a "spam" folder, but rather, should be attentively monitored, like a professional business would operate. 
It's not "nice" to be unresponsive when dealing with large amounts of your customer's funds.

Resolution. 

1) Look here:  
https://blockchain.info/tx/50135c1e012202f60ac414faebeec8a1a138589fa1bbf86c7d40cad0922790d1

Notice that your address - 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj4 - received 1.86200821 BTC from my addresses, 1PoPLJYdw17p6PQeVYNHFz32Z74VtXkEfZ, 
1Mvfd79nvJLbfeKZHFFrfHwCb2gEVUnrVR.

2) Review your records and notice that you have not delivered the 1.86100821 BTC (minus your 0.0001 Tx fee) owed to me.

3) Look here: 
https://blockchain.info/address/1DFnmz26X4c3gBtpbgwz2HRJHkCqJfRuh1

That is the output address I specified when I initiated the mix.  Notice that it has zero balance, and zero Txs.

4) Send 1.86100821 BTC to the above address and we're good.

Your prompt attention here is important.”

While the scammer never emailed the user again, on 6/23/2018, he did email the blog webmaster:

“after carefully analyzing all transactions and mixer logs we found the following:

1. The user made a successfull mix of 0.7 BTC
2. He created another mixing session to clean more bitcoins
3. He sent 1.8 BTC somewhere, but not to us. The address in the mix page has not received any funds.

We are very sorry for the person who list her bitcoins due to sending them somewhere, but cannot do anything.
Other than that we have a lot of happy customers and the mixer always works fine.
Regarding the communication with the customer: We are not willing to help him anymore in tracking down his funds, since he sent us death threats.

We ask you kindly to put up the posts on your website again and remove the scam accusations since they are not true and damage our brand.”

Key part of the scam attempt:

“He sent 1.8 BTC somewhere, but not to us. The address in the mix page has not received any funds.”

And thus we arrive at the scammer's MONUMENTAL ERROR: 
When the scammer sent the user's BTC from 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj in Tx #1,
he unequivocally identified himself as the owner of that address.   
3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj is where the user sent BTC to initiate Tx #2.

Incidentally, the webmaster utterly rebuffed the scammer’s request:

“Here are direct links to the relevant Txs on the BTC blockchain:

1) Tx showing SmartMix.io ownership of address, 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj4
https://blockchain.info/tx/51a67b7d3a4593df246969004e75d70f307f043275afb0b8ea205c3397216a33

2) Tx showing SmartMix.io's address, 3PVFJCMNti7kY4fxZ3nnwALX4qTS6xsoj4, received BTC from user.
https://blockchain.info/tx/50135c1e012202f60ac414faebeec8a1a138589fa1bbf86c7d40cad0922790d1

3) User's specified output address shows balance of zero - i.e. user did not receive BTC (mixed or not) from SmartMix.io.
https://blockchain.info/address/1DFnmz26X4c3gBtpbgwz2HRJHkCqJfRuh1

Tx #2 (above) shows conclusively that you received 1.8620081 BTC, but you did not mix those BTC and send them to the user's specified address.  
“

Webmaster also noted: 

“And despite your excuse, this is not the first time that this has happened.”

Webmaster is correct... see links below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg40602386#msg40602386
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg32960872#msg32960872
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg36160019#msg36160019
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.0

Next up: Alert the writer of "Top 5 Bitcoin Tumbler Services 2018" where SmartMix.io is listed as #1 and ask, "WTF?!?!?"

[mrverax]

Yes please, if you have an undeniable proof can you post it here for everyone to see? If it"s needed I will, of course, update the list and remove the site. Thanks

Hi Legaulois,

I've posted proof that SmartMix.io steals user's bitcoin, yet I see that you still have SmartMix.io on your list of mixers. 

If something about the evidence I've posted leaves you with any doubt, would you please explain so that I can have a chance to clarify?

Thanks

[LeGaulois]

Hi
I kept reading you to see everything and now removed it from the list
Thank you

[shield132]

OP I read your replies, despite the fact that I think we need ratings too, we have a deal here (it just came in my mind).
You have included thread links, so if user decides to use mixer, I highly think they'll follow ANN thread. This is the place where they can see date of website (date of ANN thread usually and some reviews). But what about to mention this in your first post that list is random and what I write...
Btw if you don't mind, I'll share my trusted mixers list:
1. Bitblender
2. Chipmixer
3. Cryptomixer
Do you agree with me?

[LeGaulois]

I have a problem with adding ratings:

- Chipmixer is my favorite mixer
- I have my signature space promoting Chipmixer
- I often promote the service on Twitter.

I am not sure to be able to rate the services without to be biased. That's why I didn't when I created the topic. I would rather prefer to post the ANN thread and to let users read the discussion to make their due diligence. This is the best rating they can get.

[mrverax]

Hi
I kept reading you to see everything and now removed it from the list
Thank you

Thank you.

[mrverax]

Could you please correct your list?
The fact is that one of the services, namely SmartMix.io was charged with a scam March 23, 2018.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2815450.msg32960872#msg32960872
After that, several more users confirmed that they had lost coins.
To date, the SmartMix.io did not make any reply messages, which indicates that the service most likely ceased to exist.

Progress on taking down SmartMix.io


CryptoCoinUpdates.com was the first to respond.  They removed all SmartMix promotional articles, issued a scam warning, and rebuffed the scammer when asked that the scam warning be taken down.

LeGaulois has updated his list and has removed SmartMix.io.

DeepWebsitesLinks Top 5 Bitcoin Tumblers list had SmartMix.io listed as its #1 tumbler.   It has been moved down to #7, and is now appears as "7. SmartMix.io (Got Scam Complain)."  They still have some work to do, however, as listing SmartMix.io at all places readers at risk.

[SMARTMIXSCAMMERS]

i just lost almost 5k to fucking SMARTMIX scammers.....


the worst thing is this:

1. I didnt google them for scam.

2. i went for the "https://www.deepwebsiteslinks.com/bitcoin-tumbler-services/" <--- HE IS A LYING WHORE

3. I first tried it with a small amount 250 USD... it worked fine..... so I tried again with a little more about 2300 USD....then this morning 4.9k dollars.......

the two previous worked just fine...but the third.....YES SCAMMED !

STAY AWAY FROM deepwebsiteslinks.com HE IS IN BED WITH SMARTMIX 100%


BYE BYE well earned money

f9597354903219787b3479ca20bdedfa9683d46c5100c1b00e4f4bca03fa9982

[LeGaulois]

Sorry for you. It's often how the scammers work, they complete your first mix, so you can think the service is legit, then on your next mix, they will steal your coins.
Be careful too with the blog websites and their Top 5, Best XYZ, ztc

[mrverax]

DeepWebsitesLinks.com == SmartMix.io == SCAM

Scammers behind both of these sites.   

Deepwebsitelinks.com (email: deepwebsiteslinks@protonmail.com) had removed SmartMix.io (email: smartmix@protonmail.com) from the top spot on its list of 5 best mixers a couple of weeks ago...
however, now SmartMix.io is once again listed as the #1 mixer on deepwebsitelinks.com and the "scam complaints" warning has been removed.

Stay away from both of these SCAM websites.

Partial email thread with deepwebsiteslinks follows:

__________________________________

Thanks so much aware about his service, I will contact him right now and delete his service as a scam. Thanks so much for give your valuable time.

Regards

https://www.deepwebsiteslinks.com
Email: deepwebsiteslinks@protonmail.com
Live Chat: ricochet:6u6riblnrjw6wxpy


‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On June 29, 2018 6:24 PM, Deepwebsiteslinks <deepwebsiteslinks@protonmail.com> wrote:

By the way thanks so much for aware about this service, are you victime of his service. If yes then please show me some proof
I will delete and notify scammer right now.

Regards


‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On June 29, 2018 3:34 PM, xxxxxx <xxxxx@xx.xx> wrote:

Hi,

The mixing service, SmartMix.io, you have listed as #1 on your website is a confirmed scam.

Here's a thread on bitcointalk.org discussing it. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.new#new

Another blog webmaster, upon receiving the evidence below, and the attached .pdf, pulled every promotional article about SmartMix.io from his site and issued this warning:

https://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/scam-alert-smartmix-io-is-a-confirmed-scam/

I hope after reviewing the evidence, you consider doing something similar too.

_________________________________________

[btcwallixer]

Hello. There is another Mixing S]ervice. Also A online wallet. 100% secure and anonym.
Only available via Tor.
http://2ovmq6sfab6u4ucr.onion
Please only use this link. There are some fake mirrors. So if u use this service doublecheck the right URL.

[TryNinja]

Hello. There is another Mixing S]ervice. Also A online wallet. 100% secure and anonym.
Only available via Tor.
2ovmq6sfab6u4ucr[.]onion
Please only use this link. There are some fake mirrors. So if u use this service doublecheck the right URL.

Where did this come from?

1. Never heard of this website.
2. The website is the ugliest thing I've ever seen and they are using a mix of images from other mixers.
2. Does it have any ANN, website, blog, etc? (or anything at all about them?)

I wouldn't touch this "mixer" with a ten foot pole.

[robber]

I just logged on first time in a while, sorry to see coinmixer.se has retired, surprised to see bitmixcoin.io is gone also with scam allegations.

Bitwhisk appears to be a good option for noobs wanting to mix small amounts.

[verusufi]

Guys I slightly f***ed up... It's really kind of trap, I don't even know what to do ...

Basically, I've sent 6.5 BTC to address https://blockchain[dot]com/btc/address/38SBL724es6MbA7VCXGDJUEASr2cRoqHxc that I've got from https://helix-grams.com/status/21f45eca2cd5767 before I saw the warning in your list...

https://preview.ibb.co/k7W8gK/2018_08_02_08_05_19.png

Now it's transferred to another one and I think it's lost forever!!!!! :(((((

Maybe anyone can advise/help how to deal with this situation and what should I do...

It's REALLY huge amount of money...

[TryNinja]

~

Unfortunally there is nothing you can do. Your coins are gone.

Sorry for your lost. 50k is no joke.

[Avirunes]

Guys I slightly f***ed up... It's really kind of trap, I don't even know what to do ...

Basically, I've sent 6.5 BTC to address https://blockchain[dot]com/btc/address/38SBL724es6MbA7VCXGDJUEASr2cRoqHxc that I've got from https://helix-grams.com/status/21f45eca2cd5767 before I saw the warning in your list...



Now it's transferred to another one and I think it's lost forever!!!!! ((((

Maybe anyone can advise/help how to deal with this situation and what should I do...

It's REALLY huge amount of money...

This is the actual server behind the cloudflare : http://190.97.167.19 . I am not familiar with this stuff but maybe searching the ISP of the IP address and reporting should be the step you should proceed with.

[LeGaulois]

The website is hosted on ccihosting.com server and it's an offshore and anonymous hosting. As long the site is not breaking the AUP policy they won't do anything. They also ignore DMCA because located in Panama DMCA complaints don't exist there.

I am sorry for the guy, yeah ~6BTC is a good amount of money :/

[verusufi]

Guys, It's a f***ing miracle!!!
After all of your posts I thought my money are actually gone. But I decided not to give up and wrote to the support team about the problem. Even though, they were really assuring, I was still very worried and suspicious about it. Fu****g hell, I lost sooo much nerves waiting for the transaction. Hours were going past and I was loosing my hope. By the end of the day, I almost cried! I thought, I lost 50 fu****g k!!! But next morning I decided to check it once more and this time I cried! The money were back! I could not believe my eyes!
I think, for such reason I will throw a party tonight!!! ;

https://preview.ibb.co/eeyMLe/tg_image_1372860293.jpg

https://www.blockchain[dot]com/btc/address/1N6svk9dM4kva6b2hR6bPgzYJDkL7VgLS8]/btc/address/1N6svk9dM4kva6b2hR6bPgzYJDkL7VgLS8

https://helix-grams.com/status/21f45eca2cd5767
Even though I would not use it, logically Helix can be removed from the blacklist.  

[TryNinja]

~
Even though I would not use it, logically Helix can be removed from the blacklist.  

This is suspicious as HECK. Be careful everyone.

There is no evidence that OP isn't the owner of the website trying to scam more users by using a fake account to "vouch" for the mixer.

Helix DID close their doors several months ago and this is just someone trying to use their name to SCAM. There is no way a legit business would create a "functional phishing" website which is a 100% copy of the original one just to get costumers.

[LeGaulois]

Even though I would not use it, logically Helix can be removed from the blacklist.  

Honestly, I won't remove Helix from the list of mixers to avoid. While I am happy if you got the 6BTC (if you really got) I find suspicious someone sending such amount in one shot, without trying first, and obviously without searching what pops out from search engines.

Since the site has been created we start to be used to see people joining the forum to tell us how Helix is "great" and "legit"
A good example to show you is this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4810205.0
And I agree with Tryninja, I don't know who is dumb enough to use the name of another business closed previously (other than to scam by taking advantage of the rep)

[leowonderful]

Not sure if this thread's still being actively updated, but one tumbler/mixer that should be added to the avoid list is the Dream Market Tumbler. The reference thread's linked above, seems OP currently has an unresolved issue with the site and the site's refusing to give the OP back his $400 he tumbled. This isn't a terribly detailed report, but the site should be considered untrustworthy until something happens and the issue the OP in that thread with Dream Market's tumbler has been resolved.

[LeGaulois]

Yes, the thread is updated from time to time when there is a need. I removed 1 site earlier from the list (CoinMixer)
I did read 3 days ago the topic link you posted and was waiting to see if the OP would give some news about his problem, or if other members were complaining too. Since I had already forgotten his thread (lol :/), and it is only now that I remember about while reading you.

[leowonderful]

That's always good to hear, I hate when perfectly good threads that are a great resource to the community stop being updated all of a sudden. Thanks for keeping up with this thread.

The lack of details also worries me with the OP of that thread's problem, seems to me on a second inspection it might just be a problem that popped up out of the blue and was a one-time thing. I haven't seen anyone else report problems with the site yet though, it's a real shame to leave people on the fence on things like this.

I'll post here in the future if I notice any activity around these parts about mixers/tumblers, and if anything comes out of this case.

[LeGaulois]

Well, I don't know what happened but the topic from the guy has been deleted? I went to the "Archive" section but nothing was showing.
I searched quickly on a search engine and...
https://www.reddit.com/r/darknetmarkets

r/darknetmarkets has been banned from Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8pskm7/dream_market_new_tumbler_a_scam/

[TryNinja]

Are you guys sure that Dream Market ever had a mixer? I just did some digging and found this thread (created by a Support member) in the official Dream Market forum:

Marketeers,

We are receiving an increasing number of support requests regarding issues with a so-called DreamMarket -scrubbed- site.

WE DO NOT RUN, OWN OR ENDORSE ANY .ONION MIXER SITES/ SERVICES SO ANY SITE CLAIMING OTHERWISE IS TRYING TO SCAM YOU

Remember; we allow you the option to tumble your coins on the withdraw screens of your wallets.

Stay safe. Stay smart

Here is the URL: http://tmskhzavkycdupbr.onion/viewtopic.php?id=66183

Looks like it's just a scam mixer trying to use a famous market name to scam users (similar to the Helix Light fake mixer).

[LeGaulois]

Ok, I understand now the fake comments I was reading on a blog post about Dream Market talking bad about 2 legit mixers.
Look like from time to time there are some mixer services trying to fool people and/or to scam folks.

[MixTum.io]

⭐Name: MixTum
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]/
🔹Tor link: mixtum5lbuslyow2.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4966853
🔹Fees:  5% (+ Network fee)

[LeGaulois]

Added to the list
Thank you

[MixTum.io]

Thank you! Appreciate that.

[bL4nkcode]

Can somebody have any experienced of having a transaction to this blender -> blender.io? Coz someone on their team messaged me to have a review in my site in this list.

Tho I already saw this one but I just want to hear if anyone has a proof of them being scam. I can't see any scam review out of them.

BLENDER.io < scam
minimum transaction size: 0.01BTC, smaller transactions considered donations
Our fees range from 0.5% to 3% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC

This mixer is most likely a scam.

[TryNinja]

Can somebody have any experienced of having a transaction to this blender -> blender.io? Coz someone on their team messaged me to have a review in my site in this list.

Tho I already saw this one but I just want to hear if anyone has a proof of them being scam. I can't see any scam review out of them.

I honestly don't remember why I called them a probable scam. However, I never heard of this website and I can't find anything about them anywhere other than a few very suspicious random websites (some with fake reviews/comments[1]), so I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole considering that there are already many trusted mixers in the market and that they are no different than any other mixer and their fees are pretty bad.

[1] https://faucethub.io/news/post/138

[bL4nkcode]

I honestly don't remember why I called them a probable scam. However, I never heard of this website and I can't find anything about them anywhere other than a few very suspicious random websites (some with fake reviews/comments[1]), so I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole considering that there are already many trusted mixers in the market and that they are no different than any other mixer and their fees are pretty bad.

[1] https://faucethub.io/news/post/138

Thanks for your thoughts, though what I have observed is, most of the reviews of this mixer I found in google are sponsored and paid obviously included the link above.

And some of the list reviews of this mixer in some site whenever there's blender.io, there's no bitblender.io which is unusual but it might be just coincidence? AFAIK bitblender is one of the oldest(if I'm not mistaken) and they are known for their reputation so there's no way bitblender will be excluded from any list of trusted mixers.

And also I can't find their ANN thread here that's why asked them first when they contacted me to have a mention of their service on my site. Anyway, I might be ignored them if they don't have ANN thread or so.

[101nowby]

Forgive me for bursting into your discussion. But are the mixers still relevant? All traces can be found, and there are no ways to hide the transaction.
Correct me if I'm wrong

[LeGaulois]

Yes, mixers are still relevant. Some are not so good and some have a strong mixing process. You can add an extra layer of privacy if you disable javascript, cookies etc (you can use NoJS addon in your browser) and to use the onion version. And you are good to go.
__
I added a new  service recently launched in the original post (Bitcoin Laundry)

[ecomix]

Name: Ecomix.io
Clearnet link: https://ecomix.io
Tor link: http://ecomix7ez6ygyou4.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037503.0
Fees: Here (from 0.3%)

[LeGaulois]

I added Ecomix.io to the List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

[TryNinja]

⭐ Name: Blender.io
🔹 Clearnet link: Blender.io
🔹 Tor link: http://blenderiocpxfema.onion
🔹 Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052876
🔹 Fees: From 0.5% to 2.5% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC for each target address.

[Null Shadow]

While it's not a traditional mixer (which is good), I suggest to add Wasabi Wallet to the list.

[Indamuck]

Yes, mixers are still relevant. Some are not so good and some have a strong mixing process. You can add an extra layer of privacy if you disable javascript, cookies etc (you can use NoJS addon in your browser) and to use the onion version. And you are good to go.
__
I added a new  service recently launched in the original post (Bitcoin Laundry)

Wonder how long before privacy coins take over completely in peer to peer transactions.  Bitcoin may act as a store of value while privacy coins act more as currency.  Take a look at the dark market and a lot of the merchants are only accepting privacy coins.  I know this is far in the future and bitcoin will probably never be dethroned but it is worth taking a look at upcoming privacy projects.

[LeGaulois]

Wonder how long before privacy coins take over completely in peer to peer transactions.  Bitcoin may act as a store of value while privacy coins act more as currency.  Take a look at the dark market and a lot of the merchants are only accepting privacy coins.  I know this is far in the future and bitcoin will probably never be dethroned but it is worth taking a look at upcoming privacy projects.

Never I guess, not everyone is interested to have financial privacy, and some are interested only depending on the situation. I too believe in privacy coins but rather used in countries with an oppressive govt, or in a "no privacy state"...
The dark market is something else, it makes sense to use privacy coins

⭐ Name: Blender.io
🔹 Clearnet link: Blender.io
🔹 Tor link: http://blenderiocpxfema.onion
🔹 Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052876
🔹 Fees: From 0.5% to 2.5% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC for each target address.

Thanks dude, I added it

[Sasha_BTC]

By the way, Blender.io have a giveaway in their thread.

[Florjancic]

While it's not a traditional mixer (which is good), I suggest to add Wasabi Wallet to the list.

⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io/
🔹Tor link: http://wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037094.0
🔹Fees: 0.003%

[LeGaulois]

I added Wasabi Wallet, thank you for reminding me.

[anubizz]

Any thoughts on https://bitloader.cc/
Also a mixer, coin exchange,..

[LeGaulois]

Didn't find anything about it. Other than an old topic from 2017 here and the domain name created on 2018-05-02. Perhaps the website has been abandoned long ago, the guy restarted to post at the same time the domain was (re)registered (again)
I don't know from where you found this site, myself I have never heard about it. I see it has a Mastercard but even from people looking for a working card never mentioned it here.

Bitloader is the Bitpay KILLER!

LOL?

[anubizz]

I found it while serching for new BTC debit cards with low KYC requirements:

https://deepweb.reviews/bitloader-bitcoin-mixer-anonymous-mastercard-service/

http://bestbitcoinmixer.com/bitloader-anonymous-bitcoin-mixer/

And some more...

[LeGaulois]

You won't find any card with a low KYC requirement, to be honest. (Maybe E-payment or Capitalist). I only found a topic from another forum where the comments looked like the shitposts here.
One of the sites you mentioned is even promoting scam mixers

[anubizz]

You won't find any card with a low KYC requirement, to be honest. (Maybe E-payment or Capitalist). I only found a topic from another forum where the comments looked like the shitposts here.
One of the sites you mentioned is even promoting scam mixers

I already know about that, thanks. I am glad i asked for reviews here first... saved me from getting scammed, as i was already thinking about ordering a card there.

Are e-payments cards ready ro be ordered? When i found the cards some weeks ago it was not possible...

[anubizz]

@LeGaulois

Now whe have a personal review of scam on my topic here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108243.msg49677667#msg49677667
you should add bitloader to the scam section of your list for others to be warned.

[On1y]

I too was scammed by smartmix today. I first sent .35 btc and it went fine.. then I send 140k (37btc) and go to check my status, and my address was different then the one now showing. It’s an address that starts with a 3, same as my previous transaction. All my personal wallets start with a 1. So there’s no way I coulda messed that up. I’ve noticed the btc has been moved to another wallet address also. I can’t fuggin believe Im that guy. Not only did I just get dooped but it had to be for over 100k. I’ll take accountabilitiy for my end in not doing my homework first. I just saw a mixer review page. And this was in their top picks. On multiple review pages actually. bummed, what to do what to do. Sitting on my hands here

[jackisme123]

I like bitcoinblender, it’s always worked well for me. Always read the FAQ, and stick with the official link which is http://blenderj6zzblpgo.onion/.

[Indamuck]

I too was scammed by smartmix today. I first sent .35 btc and it went fine.. then I send 140k (37btc) and go to check my status, and my address was different then the one now showing. It’s an address that starts with a 3, same as my previous transaction. All my personal wallets start with a 1. So there’s no way I coulda messed that up. I’ve noticed the btc has been moved to another wallet address also. I can’t fuggin believe Im that guy. Not only did I just get dooped but it had to be for over 100k. I’ll take accountabilitiy for my end in not doing my homework first. I just saw a mixer review page. And this was in their top picks. On multiple review pages actually. bummed, what to do what to do. Sitting on my hands here

Selective scamming is very popular among crypto services.  I've seen it countless times on exchanges, mixers, swap services, casinos, the small amounts never have any issues but once a big deposit hits their wallet it is gone.  I'm sorry to hear about this and you have vritually no chance to get your money back.

[bL4nkcode]

I just saw a mixer review page. And this was in their top picks. On multiple review pages actually. bummed, what to do what to do. Sitting on my hands here

That's a shitty paid review site for sure, sorry for your loss but you should do more research first, and probably this thread will show on google once you search bitcoin mixer list and give you a hint that those is just for scamming. You should earn from this mistake dude.

I like bitcoinblender, it’s always worked well for me. Always read the FAQ, and stick with the official link which is [link remove]

Don't spread lies in here, people are more aware on this forum than you thought. That site probably a phishing site. Archive

[LeGaulois]

I like bitcoinblender, it’s always worked well for me. Always read the FAQ, and stick with the official link which is http://blenderj6zzblpgo.onion/.

You probably never used it. You're just posting a fake link to redirect people to a wrong site. And you did it more than 1 time already.
That's not the correct link you posted, the correct Bitcoinblender onion link is in the OP.

Go out and try to find methods to scam yourself instead scamming people

[Xal0lex]

I am trying to make an updated list of Bitcoin mixers/tumblers websites.
I created the list myself and didn't copy anyone. It's just that some blogs copy pasted this topic and make it their own.

I translated your topic into Russian, if you don't mind.

[LeGaulois]

I am trying to make an updated list of Bitcoin mixers/tumblers websites.
I created the list myself and didn't copy anyone. It's just that some blogs copy pasted this topic and make it their own.

I translated your topic into Russian, if you don't mind.

I have no problem. Thank you

[NagaBaba]

Can anyone confirm if this link is legit?  http://foggedd3mc4dr2o2.onion/  Has anyone else used it?
I sent 0.14 BTc and 3 days nothing there in my acc.No responce from support

There seem to be many links for Fog service but this one is mentioned on many review sites.
Any info from community will be appreciated

[TryNinja]

Can anyone confirm if this link is legit?  http://foggedd3mc4dr2o2.onion/  Has anyone else used it?
I sent 0.14 BTc and 3 days nothing there in my acc.No responce from support

There seem to be many links for Fog service but this one is mentioned on many review sites.
Any info from community will be appreciated

Bitcoin Fog is a confirmed scam. Their ANN thread is full of people claiming that they lost their coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50037.560

Unfortunately, your coins are gone.

[NagaBaba]

Can anyone confirm if this link is legit?  http://foggedd3mc4dr2o2.onion/  Has anyone else used it?
I sent 0.14 BTc and 3 days nothing there in my acc.No responce from support

There seem to be many links for Fog service but this one is mentioned on many review sites.
Any info from community will be appreciated

Bitcoin Fog is a confirmed scam. Their ANN thread is full of people claiming that they lost their coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50037.560

Unfortunately, your coins are gone.

Thank you for confirming.I will stop writing letters to scammer now

[ankit10]

I think you should update the thread with the following information.

Active sites:

BitMaximum**

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ANN Thread

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Scam sites (or avoid using):
BitWhisk:- Closed their services on/after  5th November 2018. Reference
Pay Shield: Reference1 Available TOR only, From dark net. No ANN. (Not sure about scam but it will be good if you avoid using this)

Inactive accounts and threads

GhostMixer***

|

ANN Thread

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/]Mixer money***

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ANN Thread

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PrivCoin***

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ANN Thread

|

[LeGaulois]

I can't remove a mixer because the owner isn't active on a forum. Otherwise, no mixer would be listed. The forum is just a platform they use to promote their mixer, it's not mandatory to be active to be a reliable service. I can remove it if the site has really stopped working or scammed
I added BitMaximum and removed BitWhisk

[ankit10]

I can't remove a mixer because the owner isn't active on a forum. I can do it if the site has really stopped working or scammed
I added BitMaximum and removed BitWhisk

At least you can mark them as Inactive? So users/visitors can know that the owner is not active and it's not good to use the service whose owner is not active.
thanks for updating.

[ankit10]

Add following Mixers in your list:
⭐Name: FoxMixer
🔹Clearnet link:https://www.foxmixer.com/
🔹Tor link:  http://foxmixer6mrsuxrl.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2221847.0
🔹Fees: Vary, depends on confirmation time.

You can add https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131573.0 Double Mixer: Mix your coins with two services at once
This is not any mixer but their code mixes the coins by using the different mixer.

[Xal0lex]

⭐Name: MyBitMix
🔹Clearnet link: http://mybitmix.com Mirror: http://mybitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: mybitmix7rkdtzmi.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  (+ Network fee)

Fees: Bitcoin:
Start from 0.5% to 3.99% + miners fee 0.0007 per one extra output address.

[LeGaulois]

⭐Name: MyBitMix
🔹Clearnet link: http://mybitmix.com Mirror: http://mybitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: mybitmix7rkdtzmi.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  (+ Network fee)

Fees: Bitcoin:
Start from 0.5% to 3.99% + miners fee 0.0007 per one extra output address.

Updated, thanks I missed the fees

[freedomgo]

Wow, there's a huge list here but of all the mixers listed, I only tried Bestmixer, and I like using it because it's very simple to navigate.
However, I would choose to shift to a new one if they have a cheaper fees with the same easy feature like bestmixer.

Any recommendation based on your experience?

Sorry for being lazy reading the feed back above.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…>

Well, it seems that BestMixer has bitten de dust today, acused of money laundering (see https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bestmixerio-service-shut-down-for-laundering-200-million-/).

Apparently, the Dutch FIOD (Fiscal Information and Investigation Service) made the move along with Interpol, and claim to have information for the past year on IPs, TXs, BTC addresses and chat messages …

[carlfebz2]

<…>

Well, it seems that BestMixer has bitten de dust today, acused of money laundering (see https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bestmixerio-service-shut-down-for-laundering-200-million-/).

Apparently, the Dutch FIOD (Fiscal Information and Investigation Service) made the move along with Interpol, and claim to have information for the past year on IPs, TXs, BTC addresses and chat messages …

I wasn't even expecting that Bestmixer been seized out.Just heard of the news today.Wondering if other Mixers would still end up on the same fate?What you think?

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I wasn't even expecting that Bestmixer been seized out.Just heard of the news today.Wondering if other Mixers would still end up on the same fate?What you think?

What I am pretty sure about is that many of them will be under scrutiny, and may have been so for quite some time. Seizing their activity will largely be dependent on the jurisdiction that applies to where the servers/corporation reside. Europe has been persistent in chasing money laundering, although arguably on could state that the mixer provides a service and that it is up to the individuals to determine exactly what they use it for. Banks are used for money laundering too, and they are not seized, but rather the individuals (which of course are more difficult to trace on BTC related TXs).

Early this month, Spain had a police intervention on two BTC ATMs that were persistently used to launder money (see Spain – busted - Crypto ATMs used to launder narco money on a large scale). That does not mean it will be a general practice, but legislation and vigilance will probably go up a notch). On this occasion, the two ATMs were seized, since the infractions were aligned with the company that physically hosted them, and that was its main purpose.

By the way, it may be interesting to update the OP with information related to applicable legislation to each listed mixer, and IP/log treatment (if and when possible).

Edit: OP, your thread is referenced here (second to last line - under the "found" term): https://cointelegraph.com/news/europol-shuts-down-200-million-crypto-mixing-service-bestmixer

[TryNinja]

BitBlender is gone.

Bitcoin Blender is shutting down. Please withdraw.

The most recent casualty of the hunt against the mixers.

[LeGaulois]

Thanks, I updated the list and removed also another mixer. Ghostmixer is gone as well, the domain name expired and the guy looks inactive forever. I will try to monitor the sites more frequently because I'm pretty sure we will surely find a few others mixers following the same path shortly.

Privacy fucked without vaseline:/

[stompix]

Can you add a section with a timeline of the most known or used mixers that have gone dark? If you have the info for it of course. Would be pretty interesting to see how fast the market was hit by the bextmixer news, as it seems shutdowns are spreading like wildfire.

[LeGaulois]

Can you add a section with a timeline of the most known or used mixers that have gone dark? If you have the info for it of course. Would be pretty interesting to see how fast the market was hit by the bextmixer news, as it seems shutdowns are spreading like wildfire.

Done, I added the dates for the websites I knew about. I will also categorize to differentiate the scams from discontinued projects.
And surely add the servers location and logs policy as DmrDmr suggested some days ago

[logfiles]

You might wanna add https://bitcoinmixer.eu/ to the list of scams
Many people have been scammed as in this threads
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139854
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151130

[Omnibuzs]

All of them don't have a wallet integrated.
One transaction in and one transaction out is just too easy to deanonymize.

http://sbqaxe6dwiydetyr.onion/
Tor browser needed.
Since bitblender is gone this is the only mixer which is actually working.

Clearnet mixers are a huge joke anyway, the FBI will seize servers and catch everyone.

[LeGaulois]

A little update on the list

BitMaximum decided to remove the Clearnet link. It was using Cloudflare if I remember and when people pointed the weak point of using it, he was (somehow) telling people to not use the clearnet. Now the site is off, is that a way of admitting your mistake and trying to improve, or a way to say there is a more serious problem.

B нacтoящий мoмeнт мы нe пoддepживaeм paбoтy в Clearnet. Пoжaлyйcтa, иcпoльзyйтe нaш cпeциaльный onion-aдpec в ceти TOR.

At the moment we're not supporting Clearnet link. Please use our special onion-address in the TOR network

All others are up and running

[ralle14]

I would like to suggest adding ultramixer.net on the list of scam bitcoin mixers to avoid, someone used their service earlier and got scammed. There's a few websites that's possibly misleading some people due to their fake reviews and listing top mixers(ultramixer included) that isn't even reliable.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176363.0

[bL4nkcode]

Adding coinmixer.ES in the cloned or scam list would be a help. Here's a thread the victim of the cloned site 

Coinmixer.Es taken BTC?

[LeGaulois]

UP!

Chipmixer.se scam/clone of Chipmixer.com

I accidentally found it because I was using another IP (and got a different SERP)

[naverrom]

How about anonymix.io? Is it legit or scam?? Anyone test this mixer?

[AdolfinWolf]

How about anonymix.io? Is it legit or scam?? Anyone test this mixer?

Where did you find them? They look pretty sketchy if not a scam to me. (Mostly perhaps because i've never heard of them before.)
- low res pictures,
- misuse of anonymous affiliation ?,
- no bech32 support

I don't know..

[naverrom]

I used metasearch engine and got this mixer in front of my eyes. Maybe someone here use this mixer before. I don’t know maybe I try to send a minimum amount of BTC and then see what I got. This whole BTC tumbling services looks shady. Considering to use Monero instead.

[AdolfinWolf]

I don’t know maybe I try to send a minimum amount of BTC and then see what I got.

Even then, they could "mix" coins of smaller amounts and whenever you "deposit" a larger amount they manually stop your transaction and selectively scam you out of your bitcoin. I'd take care.

This whole BTC tumbling services looks shady. Considering to use Monero instead.

Sure. That's what this thread is for. To weed out the shady services.
Note that if you're going to use Monero; you probably need to convert it back to Bitcoin for most payments. There are very few services who actually let you do so, anoymously. Almost all will log certain data, if not ask for your KYC information.

[TravelMug]

Another fake site to be added on the list @LeGaulois:

Code:

https://bitblender[dot]eu/

[LeGaulois]

How about anonymix.io? Is it legit or scam?? Anyone test this mixer?

I didn't know this one, it seems too recent. I mean, the domain name has been created in February but I think it really started to work in August only. I struggled to even find the site on the SERP, I had to use a G command like 'site:domainname.tld' to find it.

I found a blog post on the web (cryptalker.com/anonymix) but I rarely believe what blog posts say when they talk about mixers.
The date isn't displayed in the article but I know it

property=article:published_time content=2019-08-27T09:13:03+00:00><meta
property=article:modified_time content=2019-08-27T09:23:18+00:00><meta

Wich make me again think that the service started last month only, so hard to say something about it. I will add it if the site is ok.

Another fake site to be added on the list @LeGaulois:

Code:

https://bitblender[dot]eu/

Added, thanks

[TravelMug]

How about anonymix.io? Is it legit or scam?? Anyone test this mixer?

Haven't try this one.

But here is a review Anonymix Review – Alternative Bitcoin Mixer.

Not endorsing it though, if you are willing to take the risk then go for it and you can probably give us some feedback.

[logfiles]

How about anonymix.io? Is it legit or scam?? Anyone test this mixer?

Haven't try this one.

But here is a review Anonymix Review – Alternative Bitcoin Mixer.

Not endorsing it though, if you are willing to take the risk then go for it and you can probably give us some feedback.

Personally i would never encourage anybody to trust random reviews especially those involving Bitcoin mixers. There have been increased cases of Fake reviews having a list of fake or phishing bitcoin mixers so members should look out:

Here is an example of such scam review site;

https://bestbitcoinmixers.com/

[sudokuwallet]

Add Sudoku to this list

Tor link: 
http://sudoku6iyg556pshx6o4szv3e4nvkbpqtbqccrxzxyuvytugft46afyd.onion/

Twitter link: https://twitter.com/sudokuwallet
Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194344.0
SubReddit Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/sudokuwallet/

[sudokuwallet]

Please, add ClearNet Link : https://sudokuwallet.io/

[logfiles]

Please, add ClearNet Link : https://sudokuwallet.io/

Saw your trust feedback and it doesn't give your would-be users any confidence, For what reasons do you think Sudoku wallet should be trusted and not be considered as a suspicious/scammy wallet instead?

[logfiles]

We discovered more Chipmixer clones which are scam websites and all domains are new and still active as of now. You can add them on the scam list if you don't mind.

- chipmixerr.com -Scam Thread
- chippmixer.com - Scam Thread
- chipmix.io - Scam Thread
- chipmixers.com - Scam Thread

[bL4nkcode]

We discovered more Chipmixer clones which are scam websites and all domains are new and still active as of now. You can add them on the scam list if you don't mind.

- chipmixerr.com -Scam Thread
- chippmixer.com - Scam Thread
- chipmix.io - Scam Thread
- chipmixers.com - Scam Thread

And add this one to the list, though I can't remember the scam thread of this phishing website.

Code:

chip-mixer.com

[Sompere]

⭐Name: MyBitMix
🔹Clearnet link: http://mybitmix.com Mirror: http://mybitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: mybitmix7rkdtzmi.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.5% to 3.99% + miners fee 0.0007 per one extra output address

Do you even check mixers that you list here? What is the point of this list?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143721.msg53242101#msg53242101

[TryNinja]

Do you even check mixers that you list here? What is the point of this list?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143721.msg53242101#msg53242101

I believe the list aggregates every mixer announced in the forum, without making any review of it. Just simply listing it, since it's hard to hear about every single mixer on the forum. People are then free to do their own research about the mixers on the list (as they should). And whenever a mixer gets accused of being a scam, people can report it so the mixer goes from the main list to the "scam mixers".

I (and probably LeGaulois) never expected people to just blindly use any of these mixers without - at least - some basic Googling.

[LeGaulois]

Do you even check mixers that you list here? What is the point of this list?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143721.msg53242101#msg53242101

Yes I do, before listing a site I use a search engine to see what is said. But it's up to the person to make the due diligence too. I'm not a baby sitter and I can't test each mixer every week to check if it's still working
I posted a list, not reviews/suggestions, otherwise the list would be empty with only 2-3 services perhaps. I wanted to stay neutral.
Also scammers usually mix bitcoins correctly at the begining, to attract people, but once more people come (more bitcoins) they decide to scam and leave.

As a community, everyone can contribute in this topic to help others, and that's what you did when you posted.

[OROBTC]

...

bitmaximum, last I checked, was back online and apparently even offering crypto exchange services.  I used them (for mixing) in the past with excellent results (a little pricey though).  They are still only using their TOR service:

bitmaximumgnmsaf.onion

It looks like they will soon offer some kind of "Virgin Coins" or nearly so, directly from (some of the) miners.  It looks like it will be expensive (15% or so, and you have to take the whole block.

If anyone is brave enough to try one or more of their services, please let us know!  

Virgin (of course) coins are straight from the miners (or perhaps via a bitmaximum address, I don't know) are of value to some people for privacy reasons.

*   *   *

Are there any other services (mixers, etc.) that offer virgin BTC?

[TryNinja]

Virgin (of course) coins are straight from the miners (or perhaps via a bitmaximum address, I don't know) are of value to some people for privacy reasons.

Are there any other services (mixers, etc.) that offer virgin BTC?

You mean any other services that claims to offer virgin BTC? I don't think so.
And I hardly doubt they really do that. But that's just my opinion. People are obviously always free to pay 15% fee on whatever they want.

Btw, I just went to the URL you posted above and that's all it says:

Private mode
The project works in private mode. For cooperation proposals, please use the old contacts.

[OROBTC]

...

TryNinja

I went to their .onion a couple of weeks ago and it seemed to work (it loaded) OK (TOR).  I just looked around, and saw the new exchange service and pretty much the same mixing service as before.

Not an expert nor programmer!  Self-taught (none of my friends know much about BTC).

When I tried their old ".io" I did get a note that that link no longer works.

Other than the above remarks, I can offer no explanations.  Nor do I have any old contact info.

*   *   *

Nor can I comment either on their claim to offer virgin BTC.  Maybe they (will) have a deal with one of the Russian miners popping up all over Siberia?

[LeGaulois]

There is Velvet.market selling virgin bitcoins, but as @TryNinja said: Theses services only "claim". Bestmixer did it too, but in reality, the BTCs weren't virgins. The demand is increasing more and more so the supply also increases but I believe it will fade if a day we see Schnoor and Taproot.
Paying a premium price isn't a problem, even with 30%, but better to buy bitcoins directly from a miner.

[Get-Paid.com]

ChipMixer.com is not loading for me.
downforeveryoneorjustme.com shows it's down for everyone.
FYI.

[TryNinja]

ChipMixer.com is not loading for me.
downforeveryoneorjustme.com shows it's down for everyone.
FYI.

It goes down and comes back constantly due to the DDoS attacks they keep receiving in a daily basis. I don't think we need to make an update about this every time it goes down/comes back. That's not the point of this thread.

Btw, the tor mirror is up.

[Murat]

Does anyone know about this site? https://bitcoinmix.org/

is it legit or scam?

[TryNinja]

Does anyone know about this site? https://bitcoinmix.org/

is it legit or scam?

Never heard of it but the "X BTC mixed, commission X %" alerts constantly popping up at the bottom-left corner surely make me never want to try them out. These are obviously fakes and even if they weren't, that would be a super bad thing to show to everyone.

Some people also claim they got scammed by them: http://bittrust.org/bitcoinmixorg

[LeGaulois]

Never heard about it, it's supposed to be running since 2015, but the only mentions I found on the web are sponsored articles less than 1-2 months. Using Cloudflare, I wouldn't use it personally but maybe it can be ok for someone else.

The Twitter account is named Bitcoinshuffle and I remember a scam mixer named Bitcoinshuffle that disappeared in 2015...well when this site started, but that really means nothing and can be a pure coincidence.

Let us know if you decide to use it

@TryNinja

When I visited the page I was surprised to see the "X BTC mixed, commission X %" That's something dumb.
When I checked the source code I came across:

Code:

script.........

window.slide minutes = "Count of minutes: <x> minutes";..................</script>

(the code is incorrect but Cloudflare the racist is blocking me with a message)
Line 367 view-source:https://bitcoinmix.org/

I have the newbie level when it's about coding but then I counted about 60 seconds and each time the window reappears. And this three times in a row. I didn't check more than that

And it's not the custom time delay which is line 172

[Atobmixer]

Name: AtoB Mixer
Clearnet link: https://www.atobmixer.com
Tor link: atobmix5vwucluyj.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207219.new#new
Fees: 1.00% - 2.99% (Random fee to enhance privacy)

Supports 16 currencies including monero and dash

I am the working member of ATOBMIXER.COM

Contact me anytime on any inquiries or use our contact us page to contact us

We strongly advice users to use our TOR site for hyper sensitive type of mixing,
since our clearnet site uses cloudflare and google analytics for marketing and google ranking purposes

Clearnet is suitable if you just want to mix to cut the trails so receiving end doesn't know your sending address
TOR mixing is suitable for total anonymity for hyper sensitive reasons of mixing while staying totally anonymous 

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

[Xal0lex]

⭐Name: SmartMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://smartmixer.io/
🔹Tor link: http://smrtmxdxognxhv64.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168505.0
🔹Fees: min 1% (+ 0.00023225 BTC Network fee)

[LeGaulois]

There are some good mixers on bitcoinmixer.reviews is a shit

Personally i like it that so many mixers have their .onion now, but they should be Tor only. And include a wallet for those who don't want to risk timing+amount attacks.

Another fake bitcoin mixers blog, but if you like to get scammed this is something else.
In example the correct link for Chipmixer is chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion
Not 7vrgjzh.onion

And no sane person would keep any bitcoin in a mixer wallet

I don't want to bother to check another example, I can bet $100 there are several fake links in


edit:
AtoB
 Hi  

[logfiles]

There are some good mixers on https://bitcoinmixer.reviews/

Personally i like it that so many mixers have their .onion now, but they should be Tor only. And include a wallet for those who don't want to risk timing+amount attacks.

WARNING

All the onion links included in the so-called review website are scam onion links and no one should even bother visiting them

Its seems both HannaWho and jalil_113 are the scammers behind the links and are trying to promote them here, so I am going to tag both of them. It could help someone out there.

[JamesRichard29]

⭐Name: BitiMix
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitimix.com
🔹Tor link:
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=640244.0
🔹Fees:  (+ Network fee) : 1%

[LeGaulois]

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I will think twice before I add it.

I find this strange that you joined the forum today and your first posts are to talk about this mixer. An unknown mixer, indexed badly in SERP , so no idea how you discovered it.
I used inurl and allurl commands too. Nothing, nada, nichts, walou

You gave me the link to an old ANN thread, the forum user is inactive since 2014 and the domain name has expired since, so clearly he isn't related to the website anymore. It has been bought a few days ago (Registered On:2020-01-16)
I don't know why someone would choose to buy a domain name while there is already another old website with the same name (https://bitmix.biz/en) related to the same service. Please create your own ANN thread if you run this service.

Hi Italy  

[LeGaulois]

Updated, it seems MyBitMix is gone to the coffin. I waited and thought it might be a DDOS attack or something, but it's always the same and the OP doesn't seem to communicate anymore.
Mybitmix.com is gone as well the mirror version (.biz) and the TOR link is dead too

[TravelMug]

Another fake Chipmixer -

Code:

https://chispmixer.com/

Scam Thread

[thekrakennnm]

Great list. Sadly according to the recent news (actually USA precedent), mixers can be counted as money laundering.

[LeGaulois]

Updated
Privcoin.io decided to close its service saying the latest AMLD5 directive in Europe is too restrictive to operate the site. (thanks to @TryNinja's post)
Humm, not sure why a mixer should bother to follow AML regulations unless... you're not so anonymous.
Thanks for the donations to charities still, it's honorable.

[mixerwashinglaundry]

Hi,

Is there any mixer/tumbler that allows multiple deposit addresses?

So like, I can get 6 addresses to send my bitcoins to and withdraw to only 1 address?
(this is useful if you have 6 separate addresses with funds on them that you do not want to combine together )

I could only achieve this with the now defunct bitblender, mostly because it was possible to use an account on bitblender and have a permanent(well, until sudden service shutdown ) wallet

[TryNinja]

Hi,

Is there any mixer/tumbler that allows multiple deposit addresses?

So like, I can get 6 addresses to send my bitcoins to and withdraw to only 1 address?
(this is useful if you have 6 separate addresses with funds on them that you do not want to combine together )

I could only achieve this with the now defunct bitblender, mostly because it was possible to use an account on bitblender and have a permanent(well, until sudden service shutdown ) wallet

I believe you can do something similar with ChipMixer.

1. Deposit with first address, you get your chips. Generate a voucher;
2. Repeat the above with all the 6 addresses and get all the chip vouchers possible.
3. Create a new session and redeem each one of the vouchers;
4. Merge them up to the highest one and keep the other lower ones (if any).

That should work, right? At least it's an idea.

[mixerwashinglaundry]

Hi,

Is there any mixer/tumbler that allows multiple deposit addresses?

So like, I can get 6 addresses to send my bitcoins to and withdraw to only 1 address?
(this is useful if you have 6 separate addresses with funds on them that you do not want to combine together )

I could only achieve this with the now defunct bitblender, mostly because it was possible to use an account on bitblender and have a permanent(well, until sudden service shutdown ) wallet

I believe you can do something similar with ChipMixer.

1. Deposit with first address, you get your chips. Generate a voucher;
2. Repeat the above with all the 6 addresses and get all the chip vouchers possible.
3. Create a new session and redeem each one of the vouchers;
4. Merge them up to the highest one and keep the other lower ones (if any).

That should work, right? At least it'san idea.

It's possible to "stack" chipmixer vouchers?

Well, chipmixer isn't an option unless they make 0.0001 chips happen
I would lose a lot if i used chipmixer for this hahaha

[TryNinja]

It's possible to "stack" chipmixer vouchers?

TBH I'm not completely aware, but I imagine it being possible. Vouchers are basically "equal to X chips" codes, and you use them by redeeming the codes in your session, leading me to believe that this is like an "import" option that just imports the chips to your current session. Like Yobit's yobitcodes for those who are aware of them.

(I may be wrong though).

Well, chipmixer isn't an option unless they make 0.0001 chips happen
I would lose a lot if i used chipmixer for this hahaha

Hmm, yeah. If your 6 addresses are holding low amounts (or even semi dust), it's probably not a good idea.

[LeGaulois]

Do you remember Bestmixer? The Dutch authorities have arrested two users, but not random guys. Since they have a copy of the servers they traced the BTC addresses and the IPs. (IP<= )
A guy mixed 2 million € and used Bitcoin debit cards, they seized 3 kilos of gold, watches, jewelry, 10,000 euros in cash. and a dozen of wallets.
The other person mixed 100k €

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcryptonaute.fr%2Fdeux-arrestations-melangeur-bitcoin-bestmixer%2F

I bet the bestmixer's story won't finish soon

[AdolfinWolf]

I bet the bestmixer's story won't finish soon

Hmmm. All the transaction information seized from their servers has been shared with the J5 commitee, according to this article, https://bitcoinist.com/netherlands-shares-bitcoin-mixer-probe-report/

I wonder what impact that'll have, perhaps in the form of additional actions against the users of Bestmixer?

[logfiles]

Best mixer i've ever use:

working throught Tor

grams7yngnpr5rzf.onion

WARNING

The Tor link shared by this user is a famous Helix Light Gram scam link. Do not use it if you still love your money. Many people have already been scammed through it
More details here:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/darknet/comments/5mct1i/scam_helix_light/
2. https://www.deepwebtalk.com/helix-light-by-grams/beware-helix-light-grams-scam-site-list/

[sudokuwallet]

LeGaulois, please look at this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227899.0

Maybe will be better to edit list, to avoid people losing money.
 

[LeGaulois]

Done

I had read the accusation but I wanted to wait to see if it would be solved (problems happens with any sites), and I thought that the site had a server bug (or DDOS) so that they had locked their topic to avoid being criticized by other users and to get their topic flooded.

I bet the bestmixer's story won't finish soon

Hmmm. All the transaction information seized from their servers has been shared with the J5 commitee, according to this article, https://bitcoinist.com/netherlands-shares-bitcoin-mixer-probe-report/

I wonder what impact that'll have, perhaps in the form of additional actions against the users of Bestmixer?

For sure, but not for the average user mixing small amounts, only the big fishes you know...
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if later @Bestmixer himself is arrested. If there's one point of failure in server security and anonymity, there's probably another point of failure to get his identity.

[Crazymoon]

Why you have listed atob mixer at the top when they are scamming? I see the admin in here logging for 3 times in the past 4 days and he hasnt responded yet. I should've received my mixed coins on 29th of Feb, yet still nothing.

If I don't get any response back I will be posting all info. The code they gave me to check the status of funds still says "mixing funds", yet they immediately moved the coins after there was confirmation.

[sudokuwallet]

BitMaximum, bitmaximumgnmsaf.onion - is closed for now, onion address redirects to /rip page.

Code:

Private mode
The project works in private mode. For cooperation proposals, please use the old contacts.

PayShield, payshld6oxbu5eft.onion - closed a long ago, site is down.

SmartMixer continue to scam people, with their site, and Google Adwords. Please include to scam list!

[LeGaulois]

Why you have listed atob mixer at the top when they are scamming? I see the admin in here logging for 3 times in the past 4 days and he hasnt responded yet. I should've received my mixed coins on 29th of Feb, yet still nothing.

If I don't get any response back I will be posting all info. The code they gave me to check the status of funds still says "mixing funds", yet they immediately moved the coins after there was confirmation.

I didn't list this service at the top as you say, please verify before.
When I listed it I didn't notice any red flag on the www, so no reason to list it as a scam at that time. I noticed your post in their thread 2 days ago, not a reason to edit the list 'immediately' to move it to the scams. I'd rather wait and see what he/she says.

Technical problems happen everywhere, but I admit if he/she didn't respond to your problem, it's not cool. Now you posted 2 days ago you ask me why I listed it, Jesus Christ! I'm not going to monitor each service daily :/ Most of the time it's either because I read discussions in ANNs topics or a member tell me, but I don't open each thread daily to see what's going on.

Please open a scam accusation if your problem is still not resolved

I could ask you the same question, why are you listing a shady exchange in your profile  

@sudokuwallet
updating...
thanks

[mixerreview`]

Name: Bitwhisk
Clearnet link: https://bitwhisk.io/
Tor link: bitwhiskv7myl5d2.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: Here
Fees: Here

I used this one today, its been a couple hours and its still not updating when clicking "check transactions" and the address its to be mixed with still hasnt received funds either. it was only 200.00 or so

[TryNinja]

I used this one today, its been a couple hours and its still not updating when clicking "check transactions" and the address its to be mixed with still hasnt received funds either. it was only 200.00 or so

This mixer is in the "avoid" list since it was discontinued on November 2018:

This is what it shows in the top of their ANN thread:

Closing after 5th November
If you want us to stay you may donate, we need around 0.05BTC to pay server's costs for the next 3 months

Why would you use them?

[mixerreview`]

I used this one today, its been a couple hours and its still not updating when clicking "check transactions" and the address its to be mixed with still hasnt received funds either. it was only 200.00 or so

This mixer is in the "avoid" list since it was discontinued on November 2018:

This is what it shows in the top of their ANN thread:

Closing after 5th November
If you want us to stay you may donate, we need around 0.05BTC to pay server's costs for the next 3 months

Why would you use them?

I've had this thread saved for months, when I went and pressed the arrows for next I thought that it sent me to the last page but instead it sent me to page 2(just realizing that) and thought since it was posted it was legit, didnt realize it was old or that it was on the next post for likely scam smh. I usually use other mixers but needed to send money quick & didnt have time to research, but now im paying for it lol

[Crazymoon]

Why you have listed atob mixer at the top when they are scamming? I see the admin in here logging for 3 times in the past 4 days and he hasnt responded yet. I should've received my mixed coins on 29th of Feb, yet still nothing.

If I don't get any response back I will be posting all info. The code they gave me to check the status of funds still says "mixing funds", yet they immediately moved the coins after there was confirmation.

I didn't list this service at the top as you say, please verify before.
When I listed it I didn't notice any red flag on the www, so no reason to list it as a scam at that time. I noticed your post in their thread 2 days ago, not a reason to edit the list 'immediately' to move it to the scams. I'd rather wait and see what he/she says.

Technical problems happen everywhere, but I admit if he/she didn't respond to your problem, it's not cool. Now you posted 2 days ago you ask me why I listed it, Jesus Christ! I'm not going to monitor each service daily :/ Most of the time it's either because I read discussions in ANNs topics or a member tell me, but I don't open each thread daily to see what's going on.

Please open a scam accusation if your problem is still not resolved

I could ask you the same question, why are you listing a shady exchange in your profile  

@sudokuwallet
updating...
thanks

Haha, it's all good man, I thought the ones that you listed at the top are "trusted" but it's okay, no worries. Anyway I dropped you a PM with a proof of Atobmixer that is a scam.

Regarding "poloniex" I don't know I just had that website for the memes since the beginning 

[JeromeTash]

OP I think it's time you removed atob mixer from the list and included it in the list of scam/shady mixers.

@Crazymoon sent a PM and i can confirm that they haven't mixed and sent him his BTC. It's crazy because he has been complaining about this for over 2 weeks now



I have also seen another user complaining about the mixer which should be more than enough confirm that the atobmixer chaps are shady and most likely exit scammers especially if i remember the way the were fighting so hard to get their mixer on your list.

100% sure this is a scam. 

Here is why I think that:

1.  I used the URL: http://atobmix5vwucluyj.onion/ and when I "Check Mix" the status is:  Status : "Waiting For Funds"

 

2.  I contacted the admin via: http://atobmix5vwucluyj.onion/contact/ and got no response.

3.  I checked the transaction ID on Blockchain.com and the received time is 2020-03-10 18:59 with 237 confirmations.  I'd be happy to share the transactionID with an admin over PGP. 

Note: I will edit or repost if anything is resolved, but tread this with the upmost caution based on my experience and the posted before me

It seems I'm 0/2 with mixers recently and I'm down $500.  Its a shame as these formerly reliable services have been replaced by sprawling scams.  I think the only legit solution I'd try in the future is Wasabi Wallet's coin join and similar methodologies. 

[TryNinja]

There is an open scam accusation against [banned mixer] involving ~120BTC+, so it's better to take them out of the list for now.

I advised the OP to open a topic about it, but I could confirm he didn't receive any of his coins so far (~1 week).

I can confirm that the user above (@@Poker_face@@) has tried to mix a big amount of Bitcoins (~120BTC+) through [banned mixer] and has not received +60% of his funds on his address, days after the chosen delay (~1 week late so far).

All this information can be confirmed through his Letter of Guarantee, signed by CryptoMixer's staked address[1], shown in the bottom of their website and in their FAQ[2], which was sent to me. The signature was verified with Electrum.

UNTIL/UNLESS THIS IS SOLVED, THIS MIXER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A SCAM.

[1] 1CrypMixXWtTjYGCM5ZJmyQYP1Y39P7aLM
[2] https://archive.is/NvVSf

[LeGaulois]

There is an open scam accusation against [banned mixer] involving ~120BTC+, so it's better to take them out of the list for now.

I advised the OP to open a topic about it, but I could confirm he didn't receive any of his coins so far (~1 week).

I can confirm that the user above (@@Poker_face@@) has tried to mix a big amount of Bitcoins (~120BTC+) through [banned mixer] and has not received any of his funds on his address, days after the chosen delay (~1 week late so far).

All this information can be confirmed through his Letter of Guarantee, signed by CryptoMixer's staked address[1], shown in the bottom of their website and in their FAQ[2], which was sent to me. The signature was verified with Electrum.

UNTIL/UNLESS THIS IS SOLVED, THIS MIXER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A SCAM.

[1] 1CrypMixXWtTjYGCM5ZJmyQYP1Y39P7aLM
[2] https://archive.is/NvVSf

Removed.

I have an idea why the user didn't get a reply, it's just a theory but I will see in some days/week.
Actually I believe AtoBmixer has the same problem or something similar caused by the same thing.

I bet the user won't create a flag too

[squatz1]

Maybe throw Samourai Wallet and their whirlpool function on their? Pretty big fan of that one myself and you're now going to be able to do everything on mobile (given that you have an android phone) I'd tell anyone who is really serious about this to check Samourai out and see how they truly care about the privacy of their users.

https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool

and then just use the link minus whirlpool for the rest of the the features of whirlpool.

[LeGaulois]

Good idea^^

I added again [banned mixer] since its case has been resolved (cf: cryptomixer's topic) and added the Samourai wallet.
No idea why I never listed it while I listed Wasabi. Whirlpool must be recent on Android, can you tell me if Ricochet is also available on it? It wasn't before

[TryNinja]

Whirlpool must be recent on Android, can you tell me if Ricochet is also available on it? It wasn't before

It is. I just checked on my Android emulator.

[roger_dodger]

Anybody know about bitcoinmixer.org? I've seen a few reviews of them around but nothing on this forum.

[joniboini]

Anybody know about bitcoinmixer.org? I've seen a few reviews of them around but nothing on this forum.

They have a thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207828.0. Run a few bounties and after that no activity on their thread. Their account is inactive too. Last seen on Feb 8th.

[Csmiami]

There's a new mixer currently running a review campaign on Service board. This is their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.0 and so far it looks legit (no bad review besides things that they have to improve).

The only problem is in the name: MyCryptoMixer, and for what I've seen on OP, there's already a CryptoMixer service (which may lead to confusion)


🔹Clearnet link: MyCryptoMixer.com
🔹Tor link: mymixerxtukle6mo.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.0
🔹Fees: 0.5-5% (+ 0.25mBTC fee)

[logfiles]

<...>

We have to be careful though. Smartmixer pulled off the same script and even ran a campaign for over a few dozen weeks before they got the amount they wanted to scam and pulled off an exit scam.

[roger_dodger]

Anybody know about bitcoinmixer.org? I've seen a few reviews of them around but nothing on this forum.

They have a thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207828.0. Run a few bounties and after that no activity on their thread. Their account is inactive too. Last seen on Feb 8th.

Yeah I saw that, I just ran across some mentions of them and wondered whether anyone had experiences with them yet as legit or a known scam

[TryNinja]

Yeah I saw that, I just ran across some mentions of them and wondered whether anyone had experiences with them yet as legit or a known scam

Why would you risk using them when they haven't been active for so long?

Their presence are pretty much null. I haven't even heard of them for so long (including reviews or people talking about them).

[LeGaulois]

Update:
Popped up in my RSS, Bitmixer-io.com. Added to my scam list, because... well, it's a scam.
And it uses Bitmixer.io theme to fool people with the old mixer Bitmixer.io closed long ago. As usual, always check the domain name extension and use search engines

[coboguard]

Hey LeGaulois, There are also other scams to add to the list here

SCAM: Penguinxmixer.io
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5245694.msg54358881

SCAM: Bitcoinmix.org
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240635.msg54225151
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2413192.0

SCAM: Helix-light.com, grams-helix-light.com, helixlightgrams.com
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238537.msg54173358

[121425366@qq.com]

I translated the Chinese version. I hope you don't mind?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247254.0

[Coinomize.biz]

Update:
Popped up in my RSS, Bitmixer-io.com. Added to my scam list, because... well, it's a scam.
And it uses Bitmixer.io theme to fool people with the old mixer Bitmixer.io closed long ago. As usual, always check the domain name extension and use search engines

Hey LeGaulois, There are also other scams to add to the list here

   
SCAM: [banned mixer], [banned mixer], [banned mixer]
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246071.msg54382394

SCAM: Penguinxmixer.io
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5245694.msg54358881

SCAM: Bitcoinmix.org
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240635.msg54225151
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2413192.0

SCAM: Helix-light.com, grams-helix-light.com, helixlightgrams.com
Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238537.msg54173358

it's funny that you call our website a scam with your fake comment from other Thread. Never used but talk big

[LeGaulois]

@121425366@qq.com

I don't mind, people are free to copy-paste, translate, edit, improve, or whatever they want to do with.

@coboguard

I won't add [banned mixer] to the list of services not recommended. It's difficult to label a service a scam based on only 1 accusation, I've already had people trying to fool me several times in my inbox. It's not as if a dozen of persons were claiming with proofs to get scammed.

Perhaps you jumped too fast on the conclusion, for example, you said in another topic the same BTC address is used. I tried with 2 different browsers and IPs and I got 2 different addresses. The same day @sovie tried the service successfully, so.

As for the other services mentioned, I agree.

[coboguard]

@121425366@qq.com

I don't mind, people are free to copy-paste, translate, edit, improve, or whatever they want to do with.

@coboguard

I won't add [banned mixer] to the list of services not recommended. It's difficult to label a service a scam based on only 1 accusation, I've already had people trying to fool me several times in my inbox. It's not as if a dozen of persons were claiming with proofs to get scammed.

Perhaps you jumped too fast on the conclusion, for example, you said in another topic the same BTC address is used. I tried with 2 different browsers and IPs and I got 2 different addresses. The same day @sovie tried the service successfully, so.

As for the other services mentioned, I agree.

Okay, no worries , I let him trust this proof for the future, maybe judge the service too quickly because it is in development .

[robber]

Hi LeGaulois et al. Can I request the minimum amounts to be added to the excellent list you have of reputable bitcoinmixers? For small fry like myself it's real useful information.

This is from my own research. I included american dollars and euros for some perspective. Of course, this is correct only at time of writing. I didn't include the links or fees, you can get all that from the front page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg28964833#msg28964833

Chipmixer
Since we don't have chips lower than 0.001 BTC, your deposit will be treated as donation.
0.001BTC = $9.60, €8.60

Bitmix
Amounts below the minimal will be considered as donations.
0.005BTC = $47.70,  €42.50

Bitcoin Cloak
Minimum deposit 0.01 Bitcoins
0.01BTC = $95.40, €85.2

Mixer money
0.001BTC = $9.60, €8.60

[banned mixer]
0.005BTC = $47.70,  €42.50

Blender.io
Minimum deposit 0.01 Bitcoins
If you have accidentally sent lower amount, please turn to our support with an e-mail having your guarantee letter attached. (That's rather nice of them).
0.01BTC = $95.40, €85.2

Foxmixer
minimum 0.002
0.002BTC = $19.20, €17.20

Mixer Tumbler
If you send any amount less than 0.01BTC to the Bitcoin mixer, it will be considered as unfit for mixing. As a result, it will be accepted as a donation to the mixer’s services.
0.01BTC = $95.40, €85.2

Cryptomixer
We consider the smaller transactions to be donations made to our system.
0.001BTC = $9.60, €8.60

My Cryptomixer
Can’t see any info.about a minimum! (Dubious behaviour in my opinion).

I couldn't find "Bitmaximum" on the clear or darknet - this site appears to be down. You probably should remove it from the list! I also didn't explore the minimums for the sudoku wallet and cryptowallet you have on the list. As they offer more services I felt they can't be strictly considered alongside these other services.

Anyway, what's the verdict? Well at moment you need at least ten US dollars to do some mixing. I feel like there's a potential market for something with real low minimums. You know, so your kids can mess with their pocket money.

[LeGaulois]

Hi LeGaulois et al. Can I request the minimum amounts to be added to the excellent list you have of reputable bitcoinmixers? For small fry like myself it's real useful information.
...

Hi . Thanks for the suggestion and your wish is granted  
However, I didn't add the value in dollars since I can't imagine me updating the original post everyday.

Regarding MyCryptomixer you can figure what the minimum is only when you start to mix, it's then displayed on the page (Send between 0.003 and 0.xx)

I feel like there's a potential market for something with real low minimums. You know, so your kids can mess with their pocket money.

I don't think so, I believe it can be a waste of time and resources. It's like paying your $1 loaf of bread with a debit card while merchants have a minimum of $10 (because of bank & Visa fees).

[peter.adamski]

Hi, LeGaulois i really like your list of mixers and i would like to suggest you tumbler.to, there is two options of mixing, basic mixer and anonymizer so you can anonymize bitcoins through Monero, check the page there is all the informations.

Name: tumbler.to
Clearnet link: tumbler.to
Tor link: v6nptvetl7zflb5gturfeetcypfng7ueuxsyhcrq33coev4pvnqcjqqd.onion
Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
Fees: Mix bitcoins 1 - 2.5% fee, Anonymize bitcoins 5% fee
Minimum amount: 0.01 BTC but recomended amount is 0.1 BTC

[LeGaulois]

...

I will add it. Good luck with your service..

Europol, the law enforcement agency in the EU, for those who do not know, published a report about Wasabi and admitted it is too complicated
"Things are not looking good,” they say. 
Because it's difficult to 'demix' transactions...



https://www.tbstat.com/wp/uploads/2020/06/Europol-Wasabi-Wallet-Report.pdf

[robber]

Don't forget to remove Bitmaximum from your list, apparently it is dead and gone.

Otherwise your list seems like a good resource. thanks for your maintenance

[LeGaulois]

Removed.
I wanted to wait a few days because I didn't know since when the site was down and considering it could be a maintenance or something like that. Even with Tor, I'm unable to access the site.
RIP this website...

[OROBTC]

...

I have lately been reading that mixed/tumbled coins are no longer accepted by exchanges or even BitPay.  Is this true?  That might very well make BTC no longer fungible.

If users of anything but "pristine Bitcoin" are not able to cash them in for FIAT or even for large purchases (via BitPay for example), then "some BTC is more equal" than other BTC...

[LeGaulois]

...

You confuse with wallets using the Coinjoin protocol (Wasabi/Samourai).

I don't remember to have ever seen the case of someone in trouble with an exchange platform and a mixer but there are cases when it's about coinjoin. Binance, for example, blocked temporarily an user because he requested a transfer out to a wasabi wallet

https://medium.com/@6102bitcoin/binance-coinjoin-strangeness-6ba7c0cb2dd0
https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-returns-frozen-btc-after-user-promises-not-to-use-coinjoin

Transaction In or Out there is a simple solution for that. To add hops to the transactions
(at least 6, 12 is better against something/someone with a lot of resources to analyze, a government for example). They're far to be able to find a solution after this

[foolazz22]

...

You confuse with wallets using the Coinjoin protocol (Wasabi/Samourai).

I don't remember to have ever seen the case of someone in trouble with an exchange platform and a mixer but there are cases when it's about coinjoin. Binance, for example, blocked temporarily an user because he requested a transfer out to a wasabi wallet

https://medium.com/@6102bitcoin/binance-coinjoin-strangeness-6ba7c0cb2dd0
https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-returns-frozen-btc-after-user-promises-not-to-use-coinjoin

Transaction In or Out there is a simple solution for that. To add hops to the transactions
(at least 6, 12 is better against something/someone with a lot of resources to analyze, a government for example). They're far to be able to find a solution after this

Hi,

Any knowledge about Bit Cloak, I paid for BCH mixing but did not receive any coins, the www site was https://bitcloak.ru/bch/en/mix/ajd289adjk9#mix

Thanks for any info if you have some! I know there is another address to BitCloak. https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/

Any good BCH mixers? Or better to mix BTC.

[foolazz22]

Hello,

yes I'm a newbie but would like to ask a question regarding Bitcloak site. Is that reliable as I did not receive any coins from that one using https://bitcloak.ru/bch/en/mix/ajd289adjk9#mix  . There is another site listed on your Tumblers websites list https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/. Is the other www address a scam or not?

Thanks for any comments!

[freedomgo]

Hello,

yes I'm a newbie but would like to ask a question regarding Bitcloak site. Is that reliable as I did not receive any coins from that one using https://bitcloak.ru/bch/en/mix/ajd289adjk9#mix  . There is another site listed on your Tumblers websites list https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/. Is the other www address a scam or not?

Thanks for any comments!

I think both websites are legit.

It's listed in their ANN thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372290.0)

Announcing BitCloak Mixer
The most advanced Bitcoin mixing technology

Official url:
https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com
https://bitcloak.ru/en

Tor mirror:
http://bitcloak43blmhmn.onion

Feel free to give your concern in their ANN thread.

[foolazz22]

Hello,

yes I'm a newbie but would like to ask a question regarding Bitcloak site. Is that reliable as I did not receive any coins from that one using https://bitcloak.ru/bch/en/mix/ajd289adjk9#mix  . There is another site listed on your Tumblers websites list https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/. Is the other www address a scam or not?

Thanks for any comments!

I think both websites are legit.

It's listed in their ANN thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372290.0)

Announcing BitCloak Mixer
The most advanced Bitcoin mixing technology

Official url:
https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com
https://bitcloak.ru/en

Tor mirror:
http://bitcloak43blmhmn.onion

Feel free to give your concern in their ANN thread.

Many thanks!! I'll try that.

[foolazz22]

Hi,

Are you going to keep BitCloak as legit service. I have not received my coins nor get hold of support. Has to be pointed out that i tried bitcoin cash mixer (BCH), not BTC. https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/bch/

Seems dubious that no answer from support (states answer within 48 hrs), has been 57 hrs from my transaction and no support contact/answer. 

[joniboini]

Seems dubious that no answer from support (states answer within 48 hrs), has been 57 hrs from my transaction and no support contact/answer.  

Sometimes answer from service like this can get longer than 3 days. You can open a scam accusations if this continue (especially because their account seem to be offline since April).

[LeGaulois]

Hi,

Are you going to keep BitCloak as legit service. I have not received my coins nor get hold of support. Has to be pointed out that i tried bitcoin cash mixer (BCH), not BTC. https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com/bch/

Seems dubious that no answer from support (states answer within 48 hrs), has been 57 hrs from my transaction and no support contact/answer.  

As I told you in PM it could be just a technical problem, which can happen to every website from time to time.

I can't really label a site as a scam because I see 1 guy is awaiting. I mean it's not like if a dozen of persons have the same problem at the same time.
I've got many PMs from people trying to brainwash me, and to use shady methods, trying to make me remove a site or dirty things.
And some do like you. Not saying you're trying to fool me but you get the point.

Please follow @joniboini's suggestion and open a scam accusation here and I will then do

[foolazz22]

I've got many PMs from people trying to brainwash me, and to use shady methods, trying to make me remove a site or dirty things.
And some do like you. Not saying you're trying to fool me but you get the point.

Please follow @joniboini's suggestion and open a scam accusation here and I will then do

Yes, I understand your point completely. I wanted to share my experience, nothing else. Was wondering no one else tried BitCloak lately, see if it was some hiccup just in my case. Nevertheless, I'm gonna read the suggestion and open an accusation if not too much work.

Thanks for commenting!

[fghjhiiiuytdssxvbbb]

Hello, you can arrange some reliable gambling websites for community members to use, similar to the list of mixers

[LeGaulois]

Hello, you can arrange some reliable gambling websites for community members to use, similar to the list of mixers

No thanks, not interesting. I don't know anything about this type of site since I'm not interested in gambles/casinos, and don't plan to be. (I'm Christian)
You can do it yourself if you want

[blenderio]

Thank you for creating this list! Please add these sites to your scam list. These are clones/scams of the original blender.io service:

Code:

http://blender.run
http://blendér.io/
https://blender.work
https://blender.page

Please check your address bar carefully! Use the links that are listed in our thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052876.0

[fajnnal]

Hello.

I have a problem with Sudoku wallet. I created a scam topic and detailed the charges here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261354

It would be good to remove this mixer from the list of work services. I found it on that list and I don't want other people to lose their coins either.

[fghjhiiiuytdssxvbbb]

Hello.

I have a problem with Sudoku wallet. I created a scam topic and detailed the charges here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261354

It would be good to remove this mixer from the list of work services. I found it on that list and I don't want other people to lose their coins either.

I still don't understand why you use this new mixer. The new mixer is almost deceptive, but we have reliable legal mixers, such as chipmixer.com ,

[foolazz22]

Anyone know a reliable BCH mixer, or are all BTC mixers? Can't find any with quick googling.

[LeGaulois]

Anyone know a reliable BCH mixer, or are all BTC mixers? Can't find any with quick googling.

Sorry I don't, all the ones I know are either closed or scams (i.e. bestmixer, coinmix.to, etc).

I may be wrong but Electron Cash has a coinshuffle feature, an implementation of Coinjoin to mix several transactions but without a 3rd party (see here about CoinShuffle). I think there is even a wallet called "Coinshuffle" but think about doing your own research because I'm not Bcash fan and don't really know the wallet

Edit:
- the coinshuffle feature with Electron cash https://news.bitcoin.com/how-to-shuffle-your-bch-coins-like-a-boss/
- the wallet is called cashshuffle not coinshuffle https://cashshuffle.com/

[foolazz22]

Anyone know a reliable BCH mixer, or are all BTC mixers? Can't find any with quick googling.

Edit:
- the coinshuffle feature with Electron cash https://news.bitcoin.com/how-to-shuffle-your-bch-coins-like-a-boss/
- the wallet is called cashshuffle not coinshuffle https://cashshuffle.com/

Thanks for info. I will look into that.
Got my BCH from Bitcloak, but it was a hassle, so do not wan't to try that one again. Maybe I just use a BTC tumbler.

[MyCryptoMixer]

Hello,
Please add mycryptomixer.app as a phishing copy,
They have only 1 address used on their backend - 1HkqErrhdS9MGitjYQGzbs4CFpUf8oN2cV

We will update here on all other scam clones as they appear.

[LeGaulois]

Sorry for the late update. Added, thank you. Let me know if you find another scam

I'll sort the list of scams alphabetically to make it easier to identify. I know it's a bit of a mess right now.

[coboguard]

SecureMixer

SCAM: Securemixer.io
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265439.0

[URHandsome]

I am looking for a mixer that has good reputation.
ChipMixer seems to have great feedback.
Has anyone used it recently? Safe?
Other recommendations?

[bL4nkcode]

I am looking for a mixer that has good reputation.
ChipMixer seems to have great feedback.
Has anyone used it recently? Safe?
Other recommendations?

Yes, if you ask for secure and most anonymous mixer, everyone here will suggest you to use chipmixer. Just make sure you understand their steps though its easy as one two three, they're different from other common mixer and that makes them unique and secure.

Other recommendations, wasabi wallet, never used them though, but lots of people use them and have good feedback.

[foolazz22]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

[RapTarX]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

According to OP, cryptomixer is still trusted service, however, why wouldn't you use ChipMixer? They are best in mixing and their fee is reasonable as you can pay whatever you want.

[bL4nkcode]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

Cryptomixer use common way of mixing coins, if you want more secure and privacy, chipmixer would be your choice though you can use both, make sure you access a correct website.
I recommend use their tor links instead of their clearnet site.

[logfiles]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

They haven't had any major problems lately except in March where there was a complaint by one of the users who had about 81 BTC stuck in there but the issue was resolved without further complications

Check their ANN thread and read through the feedback left by different users before you finally decide whether to use them or not.

[bct_ail]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

Cryptomixer use common way of mixing coins, if you want more secure and privacy, chipmixer would be your choice though you can use both, make sure you access a correct website.
I recommend use their tor links instead of their clearnet site.

It is really more anonymous than the other mixer which uses a common way of mixing coins? LoyceV made a list of all BTC-Addresses with a balance and he filtered the list by the specific sizes of chipmixer chips (1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and so on). Isn't that another piece of the puzzle to deanonymize someone?

I can think of several other uses:

I thought of another use: what if you wanted to know how many addresses might be ChipMixer chips? They have specific sizes of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 or 8192 mBTC. A quick search (using yesterday's address list) shows:
1 mBTC: 266408 addresses
2 mBTC: 66301 addresses
4 mBTC: 30343 addresses
8 mBTC: 15695 addresses
16 mBTC: 8290 addresses
32 mBTC: 3894 addresses
64 mBTC: 1797 addresses
128 mBTC: 1167 addresses
256 mBTC: 595 addresses
512 mBTC: 259 addresses
1024 mBTC: 442 addresses
2048 mBTC: 120 addresses
4096 mBTC: 139 addresses
8192 mBTC: 59 addresses

[foolazz22]

Anyone tried https://[banned mixer]/ lately? Is it still reliable. Thought about using them.

Thanks for any insights. Cheers!

Cryptomixer use common way of mixing coins, if you want more secure and privacy, chipmixer would be your choice though you can use both, make sure you access a correct website.
I recommend use their tor links instead of their clearnet site.

It is really more anonymous than the other mixer which uses a common way of mixing coins? LoyceV made a list of all BTC-Addresses with a balance and he filtered the list by the specific sizes of chipmixer chips (1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and so on). Isn't that another piece of the puzzle to deanonymize someone?

I can think of several other uses:

I thought of another use: what if you wanted to know how many addresses might be ChipMixer chips? They have specific sizes of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 or 8192 mBTC. A quick search (using yesterday's address list) shows:
1 mBTC: 266408 addresses
2 mBTC: 66301 addresses
4 mBTC: 30343 addresses
8 mBTC: 15695 addresses
16 mBTC: 8290 addresses
32 mBTC: 3894 addresses
64 mBTC: 1797 addresses
128 mBTC: 1167 addresses
256 mBTC: 595 addresses
512 mBTC: 259 addresses
1024 mBTC: 442 addresses
2048 mBTC: 120 addresses
4096 mBTC: 139 addresses
8192 mBTC: 59 addresses

Not sure I understood what is what lol--- Chipmixer is more secure than Cryptomixer? I'm not sure how to use Chipmixer, should not be that difficult though. More used to ones like Cryptomixer. My transactions are quite small compared to many. I also use 2 VPN's and new wallets for each transaction, after wallet is used it's deleted. How is using VPN affecting security?  

EDIT: Thanks ofc to all contributions regarding safety/other info !!!

[RapTarX]

Not sure I understood what is what lol---

ChipMixer allowes certain amount to be mixed like said above; 1,2,4,8.... mBTC which allows you to filter the probable ChipMixer users by getting all the addresses containing the same amount of input.

I'm not sure how to use Chipmixer, should not be that difficult though.

Visit- https://chipmixer.com/faq, I guess this will help you understanding how ChipMixer works.

How is using VPN affecting security?  

Use TOR browser and onion address- http://chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion/
That's enough for being secured from tracking data by the website which is unlikely though.

[foolazz22]

How is Chipmixer splitting BTC chips? For deposit 0.006 BTC (small transaction).

What does that get me in chips, chips can then be merged (possibility) if I understood FAQ correctly?

[TryNinja]

How is Chipmixer splitting BTC chips? For deposit 0.006 BTC (small transaction).

What does that get me in chips, chips can then be merged (possibility) if I understood FAQ correctly?

Sending 0.006 BTC, you will receive two chips: 1 x 0.002 BTC and 1 x 0.004 BTC (there is no 0.006 BTC chip). If you send an extra 0.002 BTC, you can get another chip of 0.002 BTC and merge the three of them for a single one of 0.008 BTC.

[foolazz22]

Any updates/changes to list of tumblers?

[coupable]

Just discover this mixer Go-Overt after the lunch a signature campaign : Go-Overt - Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 Signature Campaign
⭐Name:Go-Overt
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.go-overt.com/
🔹Tor link: https://overtsgjd4xmgu25uegho7p3ez47solhiri5xpylcgm2tlofbafrzwid.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 4.9% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.005

Any updates/changes to list of tumblers?

What kind of updates you are looking for? If you noticed any info to be added or removed, easy to ask op to do so. OP was recently updated last month .

[LeGaulois]

@foolazz22

I don't know what updates I'm supposed to post. Usually, the names and fees are always the same and there is nothing to change. To be honest I just visit the link once per month, watch their ANN thread and make use of google alert.

I admit sometimes I bookmark a new service to add and then forgot but soon or later they send me a PM to be added in the list or members add it in a post here, like above

@coupable
updated, thank you

[kill4food]

I just used sbqaxe6dwiydetyr.onion for the first time
after my deposit got confirmed i tried to send a payment, but every time when i try to do it i get a blank page.
on the network requests i see it returns status code 500.
I left their support a message, but did anyone encounter this issue?
Is there a TOR configuration i can use to fix this issue?

[coupable]

I just used sbqaxe6dwiydetyr.onion for the first time
after my deposit got confirmed i tried to send a payment, but every time when i try to do it i get a blank page.
on the network requests i see it returns status code 500.
I left their support a message, but did anyone encounter this issue?
Is there a TOR configuration i can use to fix this issue?

If you took enough time and did a simple search before using that link, you had surely come accross this thread and see that the link you used is for a scam mixer. Check the first comment right after op: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg29058223#msg29058223
Use ctrl+f to search the link 
Sorry for your loss money, you will not be able to get it back. Next time, use one of the mixers mentioned in op list and preferly DYOR before .

[kill4food]

I just used sbqaxe6dwiydetyr.onion for the first time
after my deposit got confirmed i tried to send a payment, but every time when i try to do it i get a blank page.
on the network requests i see it returns status code 500.
I left their support a message, but did anyone encounter this issue?
Is there a TOR configuration i can use to fix this issue?

If you took enough time and did a simple search before using that link, you had surely come accross this thread and see that the link you used is for a scam mixer. Check the first comment right after op: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg29058223#msg29058223
Use ctrl+f to search the link 
Sorry for your loss money, you will not be able to get it back. Next time, use one of the mixers mentioned in op list and preferly DYOR before .

The main thread is misleading
the title is list of tumblers
some of the websites it says scam and some doesn't, this one it didn't say :-(
so i trusted it.
so where can i find the list of the reliable ones?

[TryNinja]

some of the websites it says scam and some doesn't, this one it didn't say :-(

It does...? The one you used is right under the "Scam Bitcoin Mixers to avoid/closed" list.

The ones who are not a scam have this format:

⭐Name:ChipMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com
🔹Tor link: chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: PWYW (Pay what you want)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001

Take a look at the whole OP, from the start.

[foolazz22]

Any updates/changes to list of tumblers?

What kind of updates you are looking for? If you noticed any info to be added or removed, easy to ask op to do so. OP was recently updated last month .

Sorry for delay. No, I was just thinking if there has been any new "players" in town worth looking for. Nothing special. The list is OK for info.

[logfiles]

Sorry for delay. No, I was just thinking if there has been any new "players" in town worth looking for. Nothing special. The list is OK for info.

It's better sticking with the old players 
I have seen about a half a dozen new "players" but most have ended up exit scamming in a space of less than a year because most have no reputation they have built at all, so exit scamming is an easy road from them as soon as they receive a huge amount of BTC from a victim.

If a new player is appears, it better to wait for a long time until their reputation grows to an extent where chances of exit scamming are so low

[LeGaulois]

It's better sticking with the old players  

It's good to mix the mixers sometimes that's why.

I have seen about a half a dozen new "players" but most have ended up exit scamming in a space of less than a year because most have no reputation they have built at all, so exit scamming is an easy road from them as soon as they receive a huge amount of BTC from a victim.

If a new player is appears, it better to wait for a long time until their reputation grows to an extent where chances of exit scamming are so low

If we need to wait "a long time" before using a mixer, before its reputation is done, then not any mixer could sustain and couldn't progress anyway. All mixers start with zero reputation, including Chipmixer. The service started from scratch.

It's just some are smarter than others when marketing their site (and advertising on bitcointalk is not necessary the 1st place to market a service)
This is also why a lot close their service: low traffic, low activity, so low revenue and then decide to scam (not all do that by the way)


More Bitcoin mixers we have, better it is for everybody, for Bitcoin and some niches too. All desnerve a chance to prove that they can be reliable.

[coupable]

Another phishing mixer, please add the it to your list of fake mixers :

Code:

https://mixum.io/

Homepage; https://archive.vn/OEZT2

Fake copy of the mixer  https://[banned mixer]/
Homepage; https://archive.vn/Yh88r
Reported here : Be aware : Mixum [fake copy of Mixtum mixer]

[bL4nkcode]

MyCryptoMixer.com has an active scam accusation, I guess at least remove the site on the list temporarily until resolve or completely move to scam mixer list.

[darktor]

MyCryptoMixer.com has an active scam accusation, I guess at least remove the site on the list temporarily until resolve or completely move to scam mixer list.

I add the service as a scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291982.0

[LeGaulois]

@bL4nkcode

Thxs.
I will remove it (and re-add it if it's resolved) but I believe they have a technical difficulty. From what I saw this afternoon it has to do with their server. If it's not resolved then the website will go offline next week.



Considering the effort/resources that have been spent to promote their service I find it weird to disappear after a few months of operating.

@darktor

There are already 2 topic/post with such a list, I don't think there is a need for a third, nor to make another one in every forum section

[bL4nkcode]

Considering the effort/resources that have been spent to promote their service I find it weird to disappear after a few months of operating.

Yeah their signature campaign is still active though and the alleged scammed amount of $7000 is roughly their campaign's payment for almost 1 month and a week, while they already run the campaign for several months now.

[bullrun2024bro]

Yeah their signature campaign is still active though and the alleged scammed amount of $7000 is roughly their campaign's payment for almost 1 month and a week, while they already run the campaign for several months now.

From what I see in the spreadsheet for the MyCryptoMixer signature campaign, it appears that the campaign has now been running for four weeks. They have 18 slots and their weekly budget is 1000 USD (+ BM fees ofc) per week.

Nevertheless you are right. It seems unlikely to exit-scam for only 7000 USD, if you have a weekly signature budget of 1000 USD. On the other hand it's obviously not a good sign, that their support didn't answer since Tuesday. Even if it's not an exit-scam, such a behaviour from a mixing service is pretty much unacceptable.

Unfortunately the current case of MyCryptoMixer reminds me a lot of Smartmixer or Bitmixcoin. Everyone knows how these things ended. Let's hope that artsidim will get his money back and the case is solved somehow.

[LeGaulois]

Update:

Removing tumbler.to (ANN) from the list. This mixer didn't last long, another disposable service
Hopefully, nobody participated in their investment scheme here

@bullrun2020bro

I don't think $7,000 was the trigger to disappear. It's not a big amount, especially compared to what has been spent. Perhaps there is a bigger fish that lost money in we don't know about (not everybody bitcoiner uses Bitcointalk) but $7k doesn't look 'good enough'

Edit:
About MyCryptomixer
The person logged in today. It turns out the site had a problem and will resolve everything asap
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291882.msg55657835#msg55657835

[RapTarX]

I don't think $7,000 was the trigger to disappear. It's not a big amount, especially compared to what has been spent. Perhaps there is a bigger fish that lost money in we don't know about (not everybody bitcoiner uses Bitcointalk) but $7k doesn't look 'good enough'

It doesn’t seem like an exit scam but it’s possible that they had scammed more users within this time which we are not aware of as not everyone comes here and complain on such scams. And few days ago, there was another complain which was a fault of the user who lost some BTC (assuming more than one at least as they received 3 BTC)- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.msg55291465#msg55291465

[RapTarX]

Mycryptomixer just have responded here- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291882.msg55657835#msg55657835 and said they are going to handle the issue as they had their system crashed.

[MyCryptoMixer]

Hey guys,
Just a quick update that this situations has been resolved a while ago - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291882

[vaultman]

I think it's worth creating a large spreadsheet with a list of sites and the capabilities of each service will be indicated on the right. For example, site name, accepts Ethereum +, accepts Litecoin -, and so on. Because I rarely use Bitcoin mixers, but I do use Ethereum mixers a lot. Such a spreadsheet will be useful for all users and will reduce the number of people deceived by scammers.

[LeGaulois]

Fair enough

I will add alternative currencies that can be mixed. I didn't do it because I'm basically not much interested in altcoins and don't know much about ETH mixers for example. Besides tornado cash if it still exists... It's also harder to track mentions on the web since it's not so popular.

[Xal0lex]

⭐Name: MixSafer
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.mixsafer.com
🔹Tor link: http://yxzngnm4mivqhly3zdlgnpagla4wja372whatiyhzgaxwanqqcd5aoqd.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: didn't find
🔹Fees: dynamic and comes up to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.005 BTC

[Xal0lex]

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]/en/
🔹Tor link: http://mixermikevpntu2o.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Rus
🔹Fees: dynamic and comes up to 5% + 0,00035 BTC - 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.005 BTC

[blatchcorn]

⭐Name: Coinomize
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: http://coinomthajerbtq7.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 1% - 5% (+ Network fee)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC

[foolazz22]

Can't access Chipmixer, is the site temporarily down?

Edit: Seems like a temporary hiccup, site working again.

Ps. If needed many smaller amounts to mix/tumble when BTC price is high compared to 3 months ago, getting more expensive when mixers have min 0.001 etc.  BTC.

[DrDoofenshmirtz]

⭐Name: Moneypot
🔹Clearnet link: moneypot.com
🔹Tor link: We do not have a tor link for the wallet script. We do have a tor domain for our main custodian!
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302025
🔹Fees:  1000 sats for P2WPKH, 5000 sats for P2PWPKH-in-P2SH (Anti-Dusting) (+ Network fee) If the deposit is larger than 0.01BTC, the fees are respectively 100 sat and 500 sat.
🔹Minimum amount: 1000 sats if P2WPKH, else 5000.
We also support lightning!


If you need any other information, please let us know. We're more than happy to answer any and all of your questions!

We should perhaps mention that we use blind schnorr signatures, and thus we would function as the first and only centralized entity that provides "provable privacy"!

[anubizz]

I am really happy about this topic and that it is kept up to date.  Thanks a lot for this!  

[Aaron2020]

Its been 10 hours so far and i have not received anything yet from [banned mixer]

I will update this post tomorrow night with an update. I already contacted their support.

i have that PGP guarantee letter saved and screenshots backed up in case anyone tries saying anything because im a new poster...  But i have contacted their support and its only been 10 hours(they claim 1-6 hours mixing time) so i will update you guys tomorrow night....

[LeGaulois]

Its been 10 hours so far and i have not received anything yet from [banned mixer]

I will update this post tomorrow night with an update. I already contacted their support.

i have that PGP guarantee letter saved and screenshots backed up in case anyone tries saying anything because im a new poster...  But i have contacted their support and its only been 10 hours(they claim 1-6 hours mixing time) so i will update you guys tomorrow night....

It's ~48h now, so what's new? Your second post seems that you had a problem with Wasabi wallet which you used to use the mixer


I updated the original post because many mixers reduced the network fees. Bitcloak for example reduced it by 80%, to 0.0002BTC
(the average noticed is 50%)

Glad you're happy. lol

[mixerwashinglaundry]

Why is elude not on the list here?
the onion url for it changes quite often however, due to ddos attacks, it can always be found on the well know site https://dark.fail/ ( https://twitter.com/darkdotfail ) at https://dark.fail/elude
They have a bitcoin mixer and also a monero-->bitcoin or bitcoin-->monero exchange service
https://theonionweb.com/2020/12/04/interview-elude-admin/

[LeGaulois]

...

Because I don't use any email provider on the dark web and I didn't remember Elude mail has a wallet feature.
At the same time, if you check my second post on this topic, you can see I added it to the "not recommended list

EludeMail eludemailjkymwox.onion

I don't remember why, either the onion link was a clone trying to scam or something else. But if the real service is changing often the URLs it's not going to be something easy to check.
And it will quickly bother me to update the URLs every x days. People need to get their account approved to use the service or donate money to be approved. Something like that IIRC

I will check out the site however

[mixerwashinglaundry]

...

Because I don't use any email provider on the dark web and I didn't remember Elude mail has a wallet feature.
At the same time, if you check my second post on this topic, you can see I added it to the "not recommended list

EludeMail eludemailjkymwox.onion

I don't remember why, either the onion link was a clone trying to scam or something else. But if the real service is changing often the URLs it's not going to be something easy to check.
And it will quickly bother me to update the URLs every x days. People need to get their account approved to use the service or donate money to be approved. Something like that IIRC

I will check out the site however

Their bitcoin mixer doesn't require an account at all. It works just fine without.
Their monero --> bitcoin and bitcoin -->monero doesn't require an account either.
eludemailjkymwox.onion was a phishing link, still kindoff is, it currently shows links to fake "hidden wikis" full of phishing and other garbage.
You can just link to https://dark.fail/elude on the thread. I know that this is a bit unusual to do, but dark.fail is a trusted resource since a long time and won't dissapear or fuckup anytime soon.
I believe that elude would be a good addition to this thread

[LeGaulois]

Alright, I will surely add it in the next following days and find a way.

But I won't link to dark.fail because I refuse to add a "middleman" such as a blog, etc. Either I post the direct link or post nothing
People will need to make their own, search and use their brain

[LeGaulois]

You already sent me the website list in a PM with your main account.
Hint: You sent me almost the same sentences that you posted in another post before it was posted publicly

Don't know why you created another account though

[mixerwashinglaundry]

Alright, I will surely add it in the next following days and find a way.

But I won't link to dark.fail because I refuse to add a "middleman" such as a blog, etc. Either I post the direct link or post nothing
People will need to make their own, search and use their brain

Heh.
There I was, 2 weeks ago, saying "oh just like dark.fail/elude" it's fine and you refusing this.
*low and behold* dark.fail domain gets hijacked 3 days ago.. https://twitter.com/DarkDotFail/status/1388215868308561920

Thanks for making the right decision

[ChipMixer]

You can just link to dark(dot)fail on the thread. I know that this is a bit unusual to do, but dark(dot)fail is a trusted resource since a long time and won't dissapear or fuckup anytime soon.

dark(dot)fail is promoting fake ChipMixer address right now.

[LeGaulois]

Update: removed BitCloak.

I announce the official funeral of BitCloak, sorry.

The site has been offline for far too many days now and there has been no communication either here or elsewhere. So there is very little chance of ever seeing it again

Over 4 years of activity, I wonder what happened (lack of interest, scam exit,...) but there are surely more honorable ways to leave the arena.

[anonymixer]

Quick head's up, before anyone's scammed, It looks like some one has attempted to create an ]Anonymixer copy (or scam clone), over at https://coinmixer.it/

Fortunately, it's not a great copy, with just 1 P2PKH deposit address and 1 output address, fixed mixing delays, no Onion URLs, no PDF, etc.

They were likely unable to re-use the JavaScript /help/faq#no-js]due to the protections in place and re-creating the No JS functionality was probably too time consuming.

[LeGaulois]

Funeral again.

BitMix.Biz is dead. It's about a week now the site is gone. They decided to close the website, after 4 years of service
No idea if it's a coincidence with Bitcloak or if there is something behind, but 2 established mixers disappearing at almost the same time...
A third and I won't have any doubt about something going on behind the scene

A couple of scams added to the not recommended Bitcoin mixers

ghostmixer.cc
dai-tumbler.com
btc-mixer.com
bitcoincash-tumbler.com
litecoin-mixer.org
bitwhisk.io
ethereum-tumbler.com
mybitmix.to

[LeGaulois]

I received a couple of messages about this topic. I start to wonder if 1 (or more) person is trying to fool me but just to let you know

1) I don't conspire with scammers
2) I'm not for sale and will never accept any reward of any sort, whatsoever

Added a few scams to the list

eth-ethereum-mixer.com
usdc-mixer-anonymous.com
usdt-tether-mixer.com
ethereum-mixer-anonymous.com
the-crypto-mixer.com
best-ethereum-mixer.com
polkadot-mixer.to
monero-mixer.to
mybitmix.to
dogecoin-mixer.to
tron-mixer.to

thanks guys

[savetheFORUM]

Good work but I wonder how people even get to these domains because neither they show up in google search nor I see those names anywhere at all. Nonetheless, great work

[BlackHatCoiner]

⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 0.003%
🔹Minimum amount:

I think that this may be misleading. To me it was, the first time I read it. Wasabi Wallet isn't a tumbler website, or it's not like the rest of the mixers. Shouldn't you categorize it with their type of mixing too? Wasabi is an software that doesn't require third parties to “mix” with CoinJoin, while a website requires it. Although, with CoinJoin, the funds aren't fungible same like with a website mixer that will mix your coins in a way to have no connection in the block chain.

1. Using keyword "monero mixer", monero-mixer.to is on 1st search result.

Isn't this ironic? There shouldn't be any monero mixers, because that's what Monero does. I'm really curious if there are people that don't understand Monero's technology (theoretically) and send their coins to Monero mixers.

[LeGaulois]

Your point is right, Wasabi is not a tumbler. I added it because someone suggested adding it and so I listened to him/her.
After all, why not name wallets with Coinjoin.

Then, since no one ever made the remark that Wasabi and co are not a tumbler I left it as it was, thinking that everyone knows that it is not.

Now I realize that this can be confusing for people new to Bitcoin or Bitcoin mixing. I'll make a change later tonight to make it clearer.

thanks



personal note: looking at coinjoin.io

[bct_ail]

Now I realize that this can be confusing for people new to Bitcoin or Bitcoin mixing. I'll make a change later tonight to make it clearer.

Then you should also adjust Samouraiwallet:

⭐Name: Samourai
🔹Clearnet link: https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool
🔹Tor link: 72typmu5edrjmcdkzuzmv2i4zqru7rjlrcxwtod4nu6qtfsqegngzead.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: flat fee for an unlimited anonymity set.
🔹Minimum amount:

[LeGaulois]

Update 1:
Another funeral
Go-overt.com is gone and no longer online

Update 2:
Foxmixer has a new Tor onion v3 URL since on July 15 Tor will no longer support v2
Foxmixer archive

Update 3:
Categorized wallets with Coinjoin to make a difference between a Bitcoin mixer and a wallet having Coinjoin feature

Then you should also adjust Samouraiwallet:

it seems obvious

[LeGaulois]

• Added a dozen of domain names to the Scam Bitcoin Mixers to avoid/closed

- coinomize.bz
- coinomize.cc
- coinomize.net
- coinomqrds5ti77r.onion
 
They all use the same Bitcoin address 1LhkHstFymocTiawf3GajWJR1QtMKA1sEk
It's nothing more than scam websites since the real websites are [banned mixer]  [banned mixer] [banned mixer]  coinomthajerbtq7.onion

- bitcoinmixer.se; same scam as Bitcoinmixer.to
- cryptmixer.com: rip off people https://www.trustpilot.com/review/cryptmixer.com

- thebitcoinmixer.org  and coinmixer.online: scam, clone of  Coinmixer.es

And 5-6 other mixers...

• I have sorted the list alphabetically to make it easier to find a name, to make it more swag

There are now about 150 scams of Bitcoin mixers on the list. Sadly there are more scams than legit websites  

[TomeroNhdig]

Sent roughly 5k USD to ChipMixer this morning. I've used this service dozens of times.

Despite having 6 confirmations, I'm still receiving

"Waiting for confirmed transaction. Please refresh page.
If you have javascript enabled, page will autorefresh every 30 seconds."

I reached out to support with no response yet.

Am I completely screwed?

[LeGaulois]

Am I completely screwed?

Certainly not.

ChipMixer always replies to customers. It's just that there isn't someone sleeping on the desk 24/7 to reply to the support tickets.
Give it time you will certainly receive a reply. Trust me

Also, see the quote below

Missing deposits reported to support were resolved but main issue is still there. If you deposit and are unlucky - you may not get your chips after one confirmation.

[TomeroNhdig]

Thanks. I mistakenly included my session token in my support message to them so hopefully it's an honest crew working the support over there.

[TomeroNhdig]

Issue was resolved. The crew @ ChipMixer is solid.

[foolazz22]

Whalemixer has been down for some days. They announced a maintenance, but that period has gone already. Maybe they will be up or not?!

[LeGaulois]

Yep, I saw your comment on their thread yesterday.
I visited the site a few hours later thinking it might be a server propagation problem, or due to the massive worldwide Internet outage but no sign of life, even a ping.

It's the second day today. I will wait two more days to see if it comes back otherwise I will update the original post.

edit:

The site is back online now

[LeGaulois]

personal note: looking at coinjoin.io

The website has only 1 page and nothing else. If you click in the menu on "how it works", you're redirected to a link from Investopedia.com and the "Github" to Github.
On the footer, it says 'the company'... which company are we talking about, it's a mystery.
Enough shady to me...

When you start to mix and get a Bitcoin address if you check it on an explorer the address has zero transaction.
I found a comment from someone on Reddit who got scammed by this service.

After searching a little more I found this website was offering some kind of investment with high return. The typical scheme for an HYIP.
Apparently up to 110% ROI (see here). You can notice the comment was posted on 25 April this year, so quite recently.

The website is surely archived on Archive.org but Internet Archive is offline due to a power outage.. At least with Archive.is it shows me this

EDIT:

After looking on Archive.org I found several snapshots. Most are the same as found on Archive .is but there is this one interesting
https://web.archive.org/web/20210223201720/http://www.coinjoin.io/en
Notice the design is the same as Bestmixer.io (and the current scam bestmixer.mx too)

 

[hodler]

⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 0.003%
🔹Minimum amount: 0.1BTC

Maybe it would be a good idea to state that the 0.003% has to be multiplied by another factor to get the actual fee. This other factor is the „anonymity set” which is basically the number of participants of the CoinJoin. Wasabi's default anonymity set that it considers as „sufficient to evade low-level blockchain forensics analysis“ is 50. So in this case the total fee would be 0.003% * 50 = 0,15%

Source: docs.wasabiwallet.io

[LeGaulois]

Fair enough. I'm late but I updated the details and added 1 more scam to the list: Bitcoinmixer.io. I've never caught this one :/

Removed the Tor V2 URL for Anonymixer too, as asked, since the V3 URL is ready (see here). The V2 will continue to work until it's possible. If you still want to use it, get the link directly from their website or ANN thread. More mixers will update to V3 in the next following days


By the way, I crawled the web and it's crazy the number of blogs/websites that provide URLs redirecting to scam mixers. This week I will check the first 10 pages of the SERP and I will surely find a couple of scammers

edit: another scam bitcoin-laundry.online

[Tsyhan]

what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

[logfiles]

what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

I have got to be honest with you. I have been active in this forum from around 2017, been busting scam bitcoin mixers at some point, but I have never heard about kilos mixer or whatever it's name is.

Care to elaborate? At least share their URL and I do some digging myself?

[Tsyhan]

what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

I have got to be honest with you. I have been active in this forum from around 2017, been busting scam bitcoin mixers at some point, but I have never heard about kilos mixer or whatever it's name is.

Care to elaborate? At least share their URL and I do some digging myself?

Yes, I really forgot to attach the link. Here she is. http://dnmugu4755642434.onion/mixer
It has been around for a long time and has been in featured mixers before in the first post of this thread.

[ChipMixer]

It has been around for a long time and has been in featured mixers before in the first post of this thread.

Not true.

First post of this thread: January 26, 2018
First reddit post introducing this address as search engine: November 14, 2019
https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/dwk66v/introducing_kilos_a_new_search_engine_for_the/
Reddit post introducing it as bitcoin mixer: February 03, 2020
https://www.reddit.com/r/darknet/comments/eykvgi/kilos_your_favorite_darknet_market_search_engine/

This onion address has been mentioned at BitcoinTalk once.

[whalemixer1]

Whalemixer has received scam report

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new
Scam Report WhaleMixer.com - Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

We would like to inform that this error was on our side and we have solved the issue and awaiting the person that opened this to confirm the issue has been solved

We are sorry for the error and ensure our services is doing its best to keep the environment clean

You can visit our page at https://www.whalemixer.com to see any new news or notices or alternatively visit our amazing bitcointalk thread at :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314083.msg57432375#msg57432375

we ensure the safety of all mixing

Happy mixing

[whalemixer1]

Whalemixer has received scam report

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new
Scam Report WhaleMixer.com - Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

We would like to inform that this error was on our side and we have solved the issue and awaiting the person that opened this to confirm the issue has been solved

We are sorry for the error and ensure our services is doing its best to keep the environment clean

You can visit our page at https://www.whalemixer.com to see any new news or notices or alternatively visit our amazing bitcointalk thread at :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314083.msg57432375#msg57432375

we ensure the safety of all mixing

Happy mixing

This issue has been solved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new

[LeGaulois]

The summer doesn't stop scammers...
Adding 3 more scams to the list

- chipmixer.one
- chipbitmixer.com
- https: //xn--chipmixr-z30d.com/index.html (IDN homograph attack)

more to come...

edit:

Update the ChipMixer Tor url to v3?

It's done. Sorry, I was a bit busy recently

edit 2:

personnal note: A few mixers are under DDOS, so I'm unable to access their website. There is one I'm not sure it's a DDOS attack. It looks like to me there is no website uploaded on the server (the end?).
As for now all onions links have been updated, except mixers still using V2. No idea why they don't use V3

personnal note 2: still waiting a reply to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052876.msg57471856#msg57471856

[TryNinja]

Update the ChipMixer Tor url to v3?

Tor v3 link: http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion (chip mix or fly, new Segwit)
Tor v2 link: http://chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion/ (obsolete, non Segwit)
Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com/

[LoyceV]

I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

[OROBTC]

I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

Too bad for us that they are not a good mixer, as it is a good idea that someone could mix their coins with a reliable mixer and get "clean" coins (traceable back to exchanges, etc.) back.  Because many US exchanges and merchants do not like "dirty" coins (tainted by drug markets, thefts, ransomware, etc.) , there would likely be a real demand for such clean ones.

Someone will probably come along in due course and offer a straightforward and honest service.  And probably make lots of money...

[mocacinno]

I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

+1
This one does not belong on a list between other mixers... They have lied about quite a lot, they've been proven wrong and they don't keep their promises.

--snip--

Too bad for us that they are not a good mixer, as it is a good idea that someone could mix their coins with a reliable mixer and get "clean" coins (traceable back to exchanges, etc.) back.  Because many US exchanges and merchants do not like "dirty" coins (tainted by drug markets, thefts, ransomware, etc.) , there would likely be a real demand for such clean ones.

Someone will probably come along in due course and offer a straightforward and honest service.  And probably make lots of money...

Indeed, but if you want coinbase rewards in exchange for your traceable coin, this is NOT the place... Tryninja shared his mixing session, and i could not find even a reasonable amount of the "clean" coins coming from a coinbase reward. They're just lying about "farm fresh" coins coming from "their" miners... In reality you get "unknown" funds... I don't know where they come from, but defenately NOT from a miner. Seeing what they lied about, and the amateurism, i would not trust a mixing session with this mixer... I'd probably advise anybody who used them to re-mix their coins, and treat this mixer's mixing session's outputs as "slightly"-mixed.

Here's a post i made listing their lies:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314083.msg57452097#msg57452097
Since making this post, other lies have come to surface:

• They had to admit they're not automated at all
• They admitted not holding the amount of funds they say they hold... It's their "partners" that hold thousands of BTC, not them

[LeGaulois]

I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"

Updated post #1 and adding coino-mize.com to the scam list

[SinisterB]

I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"

Updated post #1 and adding coino-mize.com to the scam list

In your opinion is fair, in mine is not! If you added a red flag or anything to it after first unresolved accusations I would had made some research before sending 1BTC or I would had just used another mixer. But as I saw it in trusted list I assumed it is safe to use them!
You tried to be fair with the mixer, I think you should try to do what is more fair for the customers as they are the ones who can get scammed and lose funds but there is NO WAY for the mixers to get scammed!

But again.. that is my opinion, I am sure mixers have different ones!

It is strange that they did not moved the coin since I sent it to them..

[mocacinno]

I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"
--snip--

Ordinarily, i'd agree with you when you say you want to be fair to a mixer and give them a chance... However, in this case, i'd personally advocate to remove the mixer from the list during the "grace"-period. If the owner comes back and resolves the accusations, you can re-list them, if he doesn't you can add them to your scam list. That way it can't make new victims from readers of your topic.

I do believe this is a case that warrants such an approach:

• It's a really new mixer... you won't destroy their reputation by not listing them for a couple of days
• There are 2 "in progress" scam reports, and also resolved reports... Way to much for the short time they've been in business
• They've been provably caught lying about many, many key features they try to sell

I've been following this case from the beginning, and i'd even go as far as saying "they're not a real mixer". This is just a one-man mom's basement service that had a nice layout built (filled with lies) and just processes mixes manually while lying about the origin of their "clean" funds.

I know this is your show, and i'll defenatly agree with whatever decission you make on the case... I'd just argue that in this case, the site didn't even belong on your list in the first place (with all the lies, with the manual processing, without proof of funds,...) , and now they've stopped withdrawing i think it would be better to safe than sorry and (at least temporary) stop listing them.

[Xal0lex]

- Bestmixer.Biz : scam
- Bestmixer.Biz scam accusation
- Bestmixer.mx : scam
- Bestmixer: seized on May 2019

Almost all the links to our forum have been corrupted in your post. The http protocol is specified instead of the https protocol.

- Coinice.net: scam, clone of [banned mixer]
- Coinmix-service.lima-city.de: scam clone of Bitmixer.io
- CoinMixer.es: [url=Bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175389.msg52156115#msg52156115]scam

And here the closing tag [/url] was lost. After the words "clone of [banned mixer]".

[LeGaulois]

What about making your own due diligence too? I mean, this topic is not a "bulletproof" topic and people have to also search by themselves. Whatever I write, people still need to verify. We are adults and talking about money, it seems to be something quite natural to do. (Apparently not).
I put the links to the respective announcements threads for people to see what's going on
If you searched about this mixer, you could have found about the first issue (maybe before me) and decide to not use it

I think I will now listen to you and follow this approach.

Thanks for telling me. I remember I used textmechanic to sort the list in alphabetical order and probably played too much with the "find and replace" feature.
I fixed everything

[foolazz22]

Whalemixer is under scam accusation criticism. Is there any other  mixers that take BCH?

Is there a thread regarding whalemixer case?
EDIT: found threads, a few ones.

[mocacinno]

Whalemixer is under scam accusation criticism. Is there any other  mixers that take BCH?

Is there a thread regarding whalemixer case?

this is one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350930.0
but their main ann thread also contains their lies and some scam accusations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314083.0

Bottom line, however, no matter how you read these threads: whalemixer's operator hasn't been seen in 10 days, he hasn't replied anyone, he hasn't addressed any scam accusions whilst his "canary" on his site is still updated every day. This could mean his canary is fake (like many other things on his site), but even that doesn't resonate all that well to me either.

Even when he was online, i did not trust the quality of his mixes. He sells "freshly mined" coins, and delivers exactly the opposite: i had unspent outputs in my wallet that contained a much higher percentage of coinbase rewards within a reasonable distance just by accident compared to the ones he is supposed to be selling on purpose.

[dkbit98]

Whalemixer is under scam accusation criticism. Is there any other  mixers that take BCH?

For Bcash you can use their own wallet ElectrumCash and enable CashFusion option in settings, that is something similar like we have CoinJoin for Bitcoin, but fees are much lower in this case.
I would be very careful using some unknown mixers, they are most likely scammers or operated by government agencies.

Is there a thread regarding whalemixer case?

There are two Scam Accusation topics about whalemixer by SinisterB and Tamagotchikiller:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350930.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.0

[LeGaulois]

personnal note: A few mixers are under DDOS, so I'm unable to access their website. There is one I'm not sure it's a DDOS attack. It looks like to me there is no website uploaded on the server (the end?).

Removing mixertumbler.com from the list. The website has been removed from the server and since my note, nothing has changed.
I consider this mixer now closed. If it comes back I will update again, but from my experience, the chance is near to zero.

Blender.io, and the mirror Blender. to are one of the mixers under DDOS. The websites display now a message telling people to use the Blender onion mirror

[LeGaulois]

Merged the websites' list with post #2. Thanks. I will take a look at Nickflynn this weekend.

I'm unable to open Mycryptomixer.com because the SSL handshake failed. And I believe it's a server-side problem and not from my end.
Because:
- My browser & OS configuration haven't changed
- Date & time are correct
- I doubt the connection is being intercepted by a third party.
- I tried with another OS

I'm unable to open the TOR version either but it can come from me. Anyone else?.

The mixer was under DDOS recently. Don't know if it's the case again but if the problem is still here tomorrow, I will make a change to the list


Edit: Adding  the disclaimer below to the original post

Although the list is updated as frequently as possible (as soon as a change is needed) it's important for people to do their own research to make up their own opinion. Follow the announcement topics (links are posted), see what's going on, check the recent feedbacks from others, etc...

It can be very easy to be fooled. There are a lot of scams, much more than legitimate tumblers, (unfortunately).
Some don't bother to create a website with a different TLD (.net instead of .com) and replicate the design of a well-known mixer in order to mislead people.
Others go further using the IDN homograph attack.
To make it simple they use very similar characters. For example, using "l" lowercase L, and "I" uppercase "i". Or "ẹ" instead of "e".

examples below:

Code:

aladinwebsite .net
aiadinwebsite .net
bitcointumblerslist. com
bitcointumblẹrslist .com

In the second post, I list mixers you should avoid (either because there is an unresolved accusation against them or something not quite right) or mixers who have closed their service. In other words: don't bother to visit them.

Happy mixing!

edit: 2
Removed mycryptomixer.com. I will add it again if the service comes back

⭐Name: MyCryptoMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://mycryptomixer.com
🔹Tor link: mymixerxtukle6mo.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.5% to 5% (+ 0.0007 Network fee)
🔹Minimum amount:

[whalemixer1]

Dear community,

Whalemixer has been down due to covid infection,

we are available for any inquiries and we have one unresolved accusation which we are working on which requires indepth checking,
our balance sheet shows no error how ever waiting reply from the person who filed an accusation

as for all the buzz of our services, we tried explaining but its just hard to explain something over and over again and people only choose to hear what they wanna hear

its tiring

we are however operation and ensures highest level of safety to our clients

[LoyceV]

we tried explaining but its just hard to explain something over and over again and people only choose to hear what they wanna hear

Nice try. You clearly can't explain this. Sometimes something that looks like a scam is just that: a scam.

its tiring

Don't worry, I can do this all day.

ensures highest level of safety to our clients

No you don't.

[LeGaulois]

Whalemixer has been down due to covid infection

It wasn't down, I was there several times last week (or the week before) and the warrant canary was updated according to the date. Knowing there is more than 1 person behind whalemixer, it is unlikely that you all catch the covid at the same time. There has certainly been someone available

as for all the buzz of our services, we tried explaining but its just hard to explain something over and over again and people only choose to hear what they wanna hear

Maybe it's the way you market it that's wrong and how you introduce it to others.

and we have one unresolved accusation which we are working on which requires indepth checking,

Please do and resolve the problem to show your integrity...

[LeGaulois]

Should I add it back to the list?

Last month I removed MyCryptoMixer.com since the website was gone.
I didn't post about it but the website is up again for several days. I was supposed to add it to the list however I remembered one thing.

Just after the mixer disappeared, a member posted to explain he didn't receive any money.
Since then, no news from the person to tell us if the situation has been resolved (or not). It was a new account, so probably the person didn't want to bother logging back into the forum to keep us up to date.

The owner himself is inactive for ~2 months and didn't post anything, like for the previous downtime

Your opinion?

[Dabs]

Need to update or correct wasabi onion link: http://wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/

Also any mixers with v2 onion addresses should be removed until they have v3 addresses. They will all do this soon as v2 addresses will no longer be supported very soon.

[LeGaulois]

I don't think it is necessary to remove all sites still using V2. I know that some mixers wait until the last moment to switch but the regular users of Tor know very well that V2 will be discontinued, they are daily users. And anyway, after the 15th they won't be able to access it anymore.

And above all, why take them out and then put them back in within 2 weeks?

(I'm going to update wasabi's link)

[blindmixer]

Moneypot has shut down:

Hi all. As some of you might have noticed moneypot is discontinued due to a lack of interest.

If you are interested in a service which offers a similar product you can check out blindmixer.

As always: use at your own discretion.

If I may suggest:

Code:

⭐Name: blindmixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixer.blindmixer.com
🔹Tor link: No tor link
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5363757.0
🔹Fees: 0. (if < 0.01[btc] there is a 100 sat anti-dust fee)
🔹Minimum amount: 100 satoshi

Fees may change in the near future.

[LeGaulois]

Done.
I added blindmixer.com to the list. The more mixers there are, the better it is

- I removed [banned mixer], the site is gone, the domain name expired last week and it hasn't been renewed. It was one of the oldest by the way
- A few days left for the V2 URL on Tor, I will update as soon mixers update their URL
- Whalemixer is gone for good


Happy mixing!

[bct_ail]

Done.
I added blindmixer.com to the list. The more mixers there are, the better it is

I find this strange. DrDoofenshmirtz announces that they are closing their service Moneypot and in the same post DrDoofenshmirtz refers to an equivalent service that was advertised here about 2 hours earlier. 

Moneypot has shut down:

Hi all. As some of you might have noticed moneypot is discontinued due to a lack of interest.

If you are interested in a service which offers a similar product you can check out blindmixer.

[LeGaulois]

I find this strange. DrDoofenshmirtz announces that they are closing their service Moneypot and in the same post DrDoofenshmirtz refers to an equivalent service that was advertised here about 2 hours earlier.  

The only thing I can think about is that they already know each other.
One has decided to abandon, so the other has decided to continue the project.

I don't see too much of a problem if that's the case, given that the code was open source and Moneypot left without a scam accusation (which doesn't always happen, unfortunately).
One could also think that it's the same person and in that case, I don't see any problem. It is acceptable to want to make a fresh start (considering you didn't scam previously of course).

I believe they were friends, working partners, or something like that. Were you thinking about something else?

Adding 2 new bitcoin mixers to the scam list
https://bitcoin-mix.org/
https://btcmix.online/

[bct_ail]

~snip~

I like your way of thinking. Friendly and positive.

Were you thinking about something else?

No, I also suspect that the project people know each other. But they could also communicate that, if it is true. But in the end, that's their decision.

[blindmixer]

~snip~

I like your way of thinking. Friendly and positive.

Were you thinking about something else?

No, I also suspect that the project people know each other. But they could also communicate that, if it is true. But in the end, that's their decision.

This is something we intentionally did not comment on as there may potentially be unforeseen consequences to sharing this (seemingly trivial) relationship for some of us at a later date. You are free to interpret that however you like.

Let me know if this answered your question.

[LoyceV]

I find this strange. DrDoofenshmirtz announces that they are closing their service Moneypot and in the same post DrDoofenshmirtz refers to an equivalent service that was advertised here about 2 hours earlier. 

They're not making a secret out of it:

We are a rebranded version of the moneypot software, however we are a completely seperate entity.

[Xal0lex]

New phishing site

Code:

https://blendar.io/

A post in Russian from the user blenderio - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129376.msg58328554#msg58328554

[brodevs]

- I removed [banned mixer], the site is gone, the domain name expired last week and it hasn't been renewed. It was one of the oldest by the way

Hi! What about mixer1.money? Same mixer on new domain or fake?

[LeGaulois]

@brodevs

Avoid it.
It does not surprise me at all, and I was expecting it. It didn't take long to see this kind of shit appear. 
It is, obviously, very likely a scam. Better to avoid a mixer when you're not 100% sure. I wouldn't even touch it with a stick personally

@Xal0lex

Added to the list. Thank you 

[brodevs]

@LeGaulois
It's me again. Have you heard anything about jambler platform? On the page [banned mixer]/mix-coins.php there is a list of 7 services, including mixer1.money, also two mixers that including on your list (mixsafer, mixtum). It turns out that if I can trust mixsafer and mixtum which also links to the jambler, then I can trust the mixer1.money? Or not?

[JeromeTash]

It's me again. Have you heard anything about jambler platform? On the page [banned mixer]/mix-coins.php there is a list of 7 services, including mixer1.money, also two mixers that including on your list (mixsafer, mixtum). It turns out that if I can trust mixsafer and mixtum which also links to the jambler, then I can trust the mixer1.money? Or not?

The others have been used by other members, but for mixer1.money, you can't be sure. Why would you insist on a service whose reputation you are not sure about, yet we have other older mixing service whose good reputation we are sure of?

He already told you to avoid it if you are not 100% sure about it, but if you think you can trust it, then use it. It's your money that is at stake, so your choice 

[LeGaulois]

@LeGaulois
It's me again. Have you heard anything about jambler platform? On the page [banned mixer]/mix-coins.php there is a list of 7 services, including mixer1.money, also two mixers that including on your list (mixsafer, mixtum). It turns out that if I can trust mixsafer and mixtum which also links to the jambler, then I can trust the mixer1.money? Or not?

I know [banned mixer] but we rarely hear about it, unfortunately. It's a white label mixer with which people can create a Bitcoin mixer without having a huge knowledge. It's just a matter to customize the website. As you noticed, there are a few mixers using its solution.

I didn't know mixer1.money was using Jambler so I'm now starting to change my mind. Perhaps mixer1.money just wanted to grab the ORM done by [banned mixer]
I will test it during the week but I repeat: when you're not sure better to look for something else. There are several alternatives in the mixers niche, and you will always find one with the light turned ON

Since Taproot is activated, [banned mixer] supports it. (it was planned since the summer)

[LeGaulois]

9 scams were added to the list of mixers to avoid.

The domain names belong to the same person, and he does the same with other mixers

What the scammer does:

- He buys a few domain names similar to some legit mixers.
- He clones their design
- Then it becomes tricky to figure out how the URLs are ranking on the SERP
- He hacks some old websites (with authority), injects texts and backlinks, and spams the web
- He is actually using 13 domain names at the same time. Sometimes he redirects the domain name to another one. I believe when a domain is busted he redirects the URL to get the juice to the new domain. It was a trick to fool google with SEO years ago

Nothing sophisticated per se


All the domains owned by the same scammer:

bitcoin-chipmixer.com <= the domain name is ~2 weeks old (or maybe 1 month, sorry I already forgot)
chip-mixer.net <= redirects to the first
bestmixer.net
coino-mize.com
best-bitcoin-mixer.com
cryptomixer-io.com
coinmixer-es.net
blender-io.net
blenderbitmixer.com
smartmixer.net
bitcoin-laundry.net
my-crypto-mixer.com
bitcoinmixer-io.com
mixtum-io.com

[LeGaulois]

You're a fucking enculé de bastard.

1) So you posted your comment on October 5, 2019.
2) You came back to edit your post on July 9, 2021

What did you edit exactly?
You replaced the URLs and injected 2 backlinks to your website (bitcoin2.biz)

I checked the page review about Chipmixer, and what you're doing is redirecting people to a phishing website. You use the homograph attack method and you even go further to hide the phishing URL with a /go (I believe you use WordPress)
Your link redirects to https: //xn--chipmixr-z30d.com/



You do the same with BitMix: you cloned the website and uploaded it on a domain very similar

For newcomers to this topic, the real site is ChipMixer.com. You can get the official links right here

It can be very easy to be fooled. There are a lot of scams, much more than legitimate tumblers, (unfortunately).
Some don't bother to create a website with a different TLD (.net instead of .com) and replicate the design of a well-known mixer in order to mislead people.
Others go further using the IDN homograph attack.
To make it simple they use very similar characters. For example, using "l" lowercase L, and "I" uppercase "i". Or "ẹ" instead of "e".

examples below:

Code:

aladinwebsite .net
aiadinwebsite .net
bitcointumblerslist. com
bitcointumblẹrslist .com

[LoyceV]

1) So you posted your comment on October 5, 2019.
2) You came back to edit your post on July 9, 2021

What did you edit exactly?

Good find! His original post (I'm not even going to post a link to my archive) used a different phishing URL:

[mocacinno]

If i'm not mistaking, the issuer of the certificate on that new phising chipmixer clone does require personal information to obtain a certificate... There are only a handfull ca's that are available anonymously, and sectigo isn't one of them...

IF this scammer didn't use stolen credit card info to obtain the certificate, i guess somebody could try to actually go to the police and see if they're willing to follow the trace and catch this scammer?

[LeGaulois]

2 new domains were added to the scam list.
The worst thing is that I suspect these domains belong to a mixer currently online and even listed in my original post :/ I don't have any concrete proof (yet) but what I found is quite strange and the possibility of a coincidence, low enough. There is a 3rd domain name involved, so the person operates 3 scams (at least).

blenderio.com
chipmixer.best
cryptomixer.host

Happy new year everyone

[LeGaulois]

I'm removing [banned mixer] from the list. After reading this post I couldn't find something recent on a search engine. I suppose too, he abandoned the service but keep it alive. Whatever, I could add it again if they come back, but it may actually be better to take it off than to let it go and then to see someone getting screwed

Additionally, I'm adding a few domains to the list of services to avoid
btcmixer.in
bitcoin-laundry.org
bitmix.bz
mycryptomixer.in
chipmixer.in
coinmixer.it
anonymix.io
cryptomixer.si


Probably all are owned by the same person

Post #2 is becoming too big, wondering if it could be better to split it into another topic? It pollutes post #1 ranking in the SERP.

Edit:

I'd say go for it. But keep it in Service Discussion, not Scam Accusations.

Yes, that was the plan

Edit 2:
From now on I will continue here

personal note: link wheel map/foxmixer1st/bookmarks

[LoyceV]

Post #2 is becoming too big, wondering if it could be better to split it into another topic?

I'd say go for it. But keep it in Service Discussion, not Scam Accusations.

[brodevs]

I'm removing [banned mixer] from the list.

I also propose to remove from the list mixsafer.com, they also use the platform [banned mixer], their mail (support@[banned mixer]) does not work, the topic is inactive

[LeGaulois]

I'm removing [banned mixer] from the list.

I also propose to remove from the list mixsafer.com, they also use the platform [banned mixer], their mail (support@[banned mixer]) does not work, the topic is inactive

All mixers using [banned mixer] look inactive and abandoned. As for mixsafer.com, I noticed they deleted their Facebook page and their Reddit account and it was done not long ago because I was able to see the content via google web cache. But at the same time, they used Twitter last month. They display [banned mixer]'s email on their website to make things on autopilot for the support (i guess). Whatever but the service doesn't seem active for now

This weekend, I tried to email [banned mixer] but it wasn't delivered, look like they deleted their email

Time to remove mixsafer.com

edit:

Bitcoin mixers using [banned mixer] include:
- XXL Mixer
- Bitmixer.online
- Mixer1.money
- Mixtum
- Bitmixer.cash
- [banned mixer]
- Mixsafer.com

[mocacinno]

Eventough i think [banned mixer] has no place between mixers in the first place due to their MITM integration of cloudflare (nor do i think any other "mixer" using cloudflare's SSL certificates should be called a mixer, maybe a "semi-obfusicator" would be a better term) , it does seem like the owner has updated his thread for the first time in a very long time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667343.msg59095552#msg59095552

[LeGaulois]

While I agree with your view and have the same speech here and there, it's hard to say a mixer isn't a mixer due to its setup. It's like arguing your soup isn't a real soup because you haven't followed the highest standards. At best, we could argue about a blender not using the appropriate methods, but it's up to people to make their own opinion/searches about what's good and what's not

It is about lowering risk, hiding with SSL, the problem is it increases another one. It's not easy to judge the pros and cons to find the right ratio.

And about SSL, I wonder why CF is so prominent (even on the web in general) when there is a multitude of alternatives. CF is really a big fish

(I will edit the OP during the weekend)

[Mixsafer]

I'm removing [banned mixer] from the list.

I also propose to remove from the list mixsafer.com, they also use the platform [banned mixer], their mail (support@[banned mixer]) does not work, the topic is inactive

All mixers using [banned mixer] look inactive and abandoned. As for mixsafer.com, I noticed they deleted their Facebook page and their Reddit account and it was done not long ago because I was able to see the content via google web cache. But at the same time, they used Twitter last month. They display [banned mixer]'s email on their website to make things on autopilot for the support (i guess). Whatever but the service doesn't seem active for now

This weekend, I tried to email [banned mixer] but it wasn't delivered, look like they deleted their email

Time to remove mixsafer.com

edit:

Bitcoin mixers using [banned mixer] include:
- XXL Mixer
- Bitmixer.online
- Mixer1.money
- Mixtum
- Bitmixer.cash
- [banned mixer]
- Mixsafer.com

Sorry for the delay , i deleted facebook twitter , and reddit, but mixsafer website is fully operational, like [banned mixer] platform. If you wanna contact https://mixsafer.com o https://[banned mixer] team ,please , you can use telegram , we will re-open social networks, but for now, telegram is fine https://t.me/mixsafer, or jambler group https://t.me/jambler
Jambler platform is working fine

[mocacinno]

While I agree with your view and have the same speech here and there, it's hard to say a mixer isn't a mixer due to its setup. It's like arguing your soup isn't a real soup because you haven't followed the highest standards. At best, we could argue about a blender not using the appropriate methods, but it's up to people to make their own opinion/searches about what's good and what's not

It is about lowering risk, hiding with SSL, the problem is it increases another one. It's not easy to judge the pros and cons to find the right ratio.

And about SSL, I wonder why CF is so prominent (even on the web in general) when there is a multitude of alternatives. CF is really a big fish

(I will edit the OP during the weekend)

I know i'm preaching to the choir here, and i know this is your thread, but i still wanted to chip in to give some more background information since i think this is really, really important stuff...

I've actually dedicated a complete thread to this problem, i like to refer to it since it cost me a long time to write this stuff up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247838.0

The problem with the soup analogy is the following.
When i eat soup, i have several "mayor" goals and a couple "minor" goals.

• I want nourishment: mayor goal
• I want a healthy snack: mayor goal
• I want something to quench my thirst: minor goal
• I want something warm: minor goal

If mixers using cloudflare had to fit into the soup metaphore, cloudflare mixers would be like calling hot water with salt "soup". When it comes to my goals:

• I want nourishment: mayor goal: FAILED
• I want a healthy snack: mayor goal; FAILED
• I want something to quench my thirst: minor goal: OK
• I want something warm: minor goal: OK

When it comes to mixing, i also have mayor and minor goals... When talking about cloudflare mixers, this is where i stand:

• I want complete anonymity against everybody (including law enforcement): mayor goal: FAILED
• I want "normal" (non hacker/non law enforcement) users not to be able to track me: minor goal: OK

The problem here is that, once a site uses cloudflare's SSL certificates, what happens is:
The mixing client creates a symmetric key between their device and CLOUDFLARE... The user THINKS he's safe because he/she sees a green padlock in the mixer's url, but he does not realise cloudflare WILL decrypt EVERY package they sent to (what they think is) the mixer. Cloudflare then looks at the requests, checks it's cache, and if the request cannot be fetched from the cache, they create a symmetric key between cloudflare and the mixer to request the missing content.

This means that, when a mixer uses cloudflare, cloudflare will know:

• The exact deposit address shown by the mixer
• The exact withdrawal address entered by the client
• The letter of guarantee (if the client downloads it)
• The client's ip
• The client's browser fingerprint
• The exact timestamp

Not only this, but cloudflare is a US company... In the US, data privacy seems to stop as soon as law enforcement comes into play... This basically means that, if you use a mixer using cloudflare, law enforcement *might* be able to obtain more data about you than if they'd had access to your wallets directly.

Now, once again: i'm not against cloudflare... Cloudflare protects even my own blog against DDos attacks, it speeds up my site due to their cache, it lets me enhance my site due to their addons, it handles my emails, it's a really easy dns record editor,.... Cloudflare is great, as long as your visitors don't have anything to hide from a US company (and US law enforcement).

It's great for non-political blogs, it's great for mom and pop shops... This being said: it's not OK to use cloudflare's cache (and their ssl certificates) for a mixer, a gunshop, a political blog, a porn site,...

[LeGaulois]

I know i'm preaching to the choir here, and i know this is your thread

Don't worry, I have no problem with that. It's all about debate and I like doing it

And to be honest, I don't have another argument to put on the table, but just something about

When it comes to mixing, i also have mayor and minor goals... When talking about cloudflare mixers, this is where i stand:
I want complete anonymity against everybody (including law enforcement): mayor goal: FAILED
I want "normal" (non hacker/non law enforcement) users not to be able to track me: minor goal: OK

Some people don't care about law enforcement that might be able to obtain data. For example, I pay a prostitute, I have no problem if a 3 letter agency knows it. what they could do with that? Asking me if the pussy was good.?

they go to the category

I want "normal" (non hacker/non law enforcement) users not to be able to track me: minor goal: OK

[LoyceV]

For example, I pay a prostitute, I have no problem if a 3 letter agency knows it. what they could do with that? Asking me if the pussy was good.?

Any data that gets recorded can get leaked. I'm not sure how secure 3 letter agencies are, but I am sure they can't leak what they don't know.

[Jay Johanson]

It's great for non-political blogs, it's great for mom and pop shops... This being said: it's not OK to use cloudflare's cache (and their ssl certificates) for a mixer, a gunshop, a political blog, a porn site,...

I understand part of your concern. And it would be interesting to hear your opinion. For example, the site may have a certificate issued by an outside organization, but it will still use cloudflare services, you will never know, but you will be sure of your safety.

And I’d like to point out one thing. Jambler, for example, is not a mixer, it’s a platform for the rapid deployment of mixers. The end-user who does not want to advertise the sending and receiving addresses and other data does not address to the site jambler, and not mediocre to our partners. Also, all default partners have a version of tor that helps raise the level of anonymity.

[LoyceV]

I understand part of your concern. And it would be interesting to hear your opinion. For example, the site may have a certificate issued by an outside organization, but it will still use cloudflare services, you will never know, but you will be sure of your safety.

That doesn't matter: the certificate handles the traffic between the user and Cloudflare, not between Cloudflare and the server. See this post (about Bitcointalk, but it applies to any site that uses Cloudflare):

What I meant is that Cloudflare can see your unencrypted password when you log in. It's still encrypted from the real server to Cloudflare and from Cloudflare to you. So it's not blatantly insecure except in that Cloudflare is very probably an NSA honeypot, and it's not like the NSA is going to steal your password in order to scam people on bitcointalk.org or anything. If you use PGP for important communications and use a unique password, then IMO this addresses the plausible attacks well enough.

Or my own (layman) explanation: Cloudflare can only stop DDOS if they know what traffic is coming in. In order to stop only the attack and not all data, Cloudflare has to decrypt everything.

[mocacinno]

It's great for non-political blogs, it's great for mom and pop shops... This being said: it's not OK to use cloudflare's cache (and their ssl certificates) for a mixer, a gunshop, a political blog, a porn site,...

I understand part of your concern. And it would be interesting to hear your opinion. For example, the site may have a certificate issued by an outside organization, but it will still use cloudflare services, you will never know, but you will be sure of your safety.

And I’d like to point out one thing. Jambler, for example, is not a mixer, it’s a platform for the rapid deployment of mixers. The end-user who does not want to advertise the sending and receiving addresses and other data does not address to the site jambler, and not mediocre to our partners. Also, all default partners have a version of tor that helps raise the level of anonymity.

I see your point of view... And i do agree... You're in a grey area yourself, you're not really a mixer, so maybe you can get away with using cloudflare's SSL certificates... This being said: three letter agencies might still find it usefull to know who your partners are, so i wonder if it wouldn't be better to use an x3 certificate instead of cloudflare's. Offcourse, you'd lose DDos protection, your website responsiveness *might* drop (if you were using slow hosting, or a high latency dc), and you'd use a little bit more bandwith.

I actually pointed this out to you in august 2018!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667343.msg44815063#msg44815063

Here's your reply:

why is your mixer using cloudflare's ssl? Do you realise cloudflare will be able to decrypt all data between your customers and yourself? I'd encourage you to buy your own SSL certificates and move away from cloudflare asap if you want to be taken seriously.

Even letsencrypt certificates would be a hell of a lot better than cloudflare's on such a privacy-centric service (don't get me wrong: cloudflare is great if you're not a service that would require absolute privacy... I've been using cloudflare on my sites for a long time, but then again: i don't even allow useraccounts to be created on my sites...)

Thank you for pointing this bug out. This is a very acute thing. We will definitely resolve the issue and will replace ssl certificates to eliminate this weak point of using cloudflare’s ssl.    

At this moment, your platform is enabling 7 mixing services (when looking at https:  //    [banned mixer] /mix -coins.  php). 6 have a clearnet presence, 3 of them use cloudflare, and one does not use ssl at all (what?). I know there are your customers, but maybe giving them a nudge in the right direction wouldn't be to bad? Only 3 out of 7 of your clients got it right... Some kind of guidance from you side would probably be a good thing for privacy as a whole.

@LeGaulois: you make a valid point aswell... For some people, "moderate" privacy against non-law enforcement might be enough... I know i have never actually needed protection against the law, i'd still like them to keep their nose out of my business tough
The main problem, which is the same for cloudflare SSL certificates and tor: not everybody is tech savvy, not everybody will do their homework... A lot of people will just use google to find a mixer, look at the green padlock, read the promo text and mix their coins, thinking they are now anonymous... A lot of people won't look at which certificate is issues by who, they won't look up nameservers or dns records, they won't inspect the code for embedded javascript,... They certainly won't download the tor proxy and start using the tor mirror... They are average people that want privacy, they trust the mixer in question, and in the end, they usually don't get the privacy they payed for... Granted, 99% of them don't *need* said privacy, they still payed for it, they  trusted the mixer, so they should get that privacy (wether they need it or not).

But that's just my opinion

[Jay Johanson]

Maybe you didn’t quite understand me. I meant that the problem with ssl certificates is even more interesting than it seems.

For example, if I register for cloudflare and pay a $10 tariff, my certificate will be visible to everyone as an outsider. And if I pay $200, I can download any certificate, but the private key is still on cloudflare. And I can order private DNS. How carefully you examine the site before visiting it.

[mocacinno]

Maybe you didn’t quite understand me. I meant that the problem with ssl certificates is even more interesting than it seems.

For example, if I register for cloudflare and pay a $10 tariff, my certificate will be visible to everyone as an outsider. And if I pay $200, I can download any certificate, but the private key is still on cloudflare. And I can order private DNS. How carefully you examine the site before visiting it.

Cloudflare is a private company. I know they are offering tons of bells and whistles, and they keep adding to their portfolio on a regular basis. To much to keep up for me anyways.
But the features you seem to be reffering to is their feature to upload your own certs and keys, and the feature for keyless ssl?
I never used these features, but i looked them up for a discussion i had a long time ago, so i'm aware of their technicality's. If i remember correctly (i didn't re-read the whitepaper, this stuff comes from memory) the first feature gives cloudflare all the tools to generate symmetric keys themselves, the other just gives them only the symmetric keys (and you host some kind of service on your host to let them request a new symmetric key).
These service *might* look "better" to the untrained eye, but in fact they are worse: when you use them you're even hiding the fact that cloudflare acts as a MITM (but they still are!!!). When you use these services, your customers will never know cloudflare can (and will!!!) decrypt every package they exchange.

The bottom line is very, very simple and does not differ from which package you buy or which technology they implement: their proxy REQUIRES them to decrypt the traffic between (what the visitor thinks is) the visitor and the webhost.
Why? Well, you know those nice features they offer: DDos protection and their CDN? Both these things are built on the fact that they keep a big cache of DECRYPTED data from YOUR host on their datacenters. When a client requests a page, they HAVE to be able to see what the client requested (so they HAVE to decrypt the request), then they can see if they have the requested data somewhere on their servers (UNENCRYPTED). When they don't have the data in their cache, they WANT the data in their cache, so they request it from the host, DECRYPT it, and PUT it in their cache before (or after) re-encrypting it and sending it to your client.

That's why they're able to offer DDos protection: your data is on so many geo-located servers, and they're so big, an attacker just can't muster up a botnet that's so big he/she can tear down cloudflare. They'r still DDos'ing, cloudflare does not stop them, cloudflare just absorbs the requests... Maybe they block them after a while, IDK, but in the first place they just absorb them due to the fact they have your data anyways, and they have dozens of copy's of your data all around the world, so let a botnet request a couple million of copy's: they don't care.

That's why they can speed up your site: they have copy's of most of your content all over the world on fast servers: a client downloads most of your content directly from cloudflare (and not from you), from a fast server close-by.

And in the end it doesn't matter if you use cloudflare's SSL, you upload your cert+key or you run "keyless ssl" by running a local deamon to generate symmetric keys.... If you use the proxy, they have your data.... Which is bad for a mixer.

And the thing is (and i've said this before): i wouldn't even mind all that much if the mixer operators had any clue as to what they were doing and warned their clients... Like @LeGaulois already said: some people won't care if law enforcement knows who they are, they just want $5 wrench protection.
But the very least a mixer operator should do is plaster a big warning on their clearnet site about the fact that the clearnet version is cached by cloudflare and both cloudflare employees and law enforcement. At least this would demonstrate the fact the mixer operator knows enough about this techology to run a mixer.

But by acting like most mixer operators do when i point out they use cloudflare (shrugging, telling me other do the same thing), i get scared.... Very scared.... How can you trust the algorithm, the code, the workflow of a mixer operator who doesn't understand the slightest thing about why a MITM is bad for a mixer? When i see the reactions from mixer operators, i always wonder what their code would look like.... Or maybe they're running their operation from shared hosting? Or maybe.... Well horror scenario's pop to mind....

[LeGaulois]

Wasabi starts blocking certain transactions to its CoinJoin mixing protocol. Crazy but true.

I'm totally disappointed by their move and a large setback. The "certain transactions" are not defined but since it was done to protect their company from hackers and scammers' funds (as they say), we can have a guess but who knows how deep they go. They may end up with a partnership with Elliptic, Chainanalysis and co.  
If they were not under a company, they wouldn't need to take such action that we could name censorship.

As of now, the zkSNACKs coordinator will start refusing someUTXOs from registering to coinjoins. Either you switch to joinmarket or run the coordinator and configure wasabi for you., I don't know, but I'm sure I have never see a mixer with such acts

[lorrysa]

I just found false crypto mixers

the-crypto-mixer.org
tether-mixer-anonymous.org
ethereum-mixer-eth-mixer.com
eth-ethereum-mixer.org
ether-mixer.org
eth-mixer.org
ethereum-mixer-anonymous.org
best-ethereum-mixer.org
bitcoinlaundry.online
bitcoin-laundry.mx
bitcoinlaundry.org
bitmix.it
bitmixbiz.com
bitmixr.biz
bitsmix.biz
bitmixbiz.com
veio.io

All appear on bing

[JoaSM]

Hi,

Can someone who has used one that works recommend me a Mixer that does work? I have tried 2 and neither have worked.
Has anyone tried ChipMixer?
thanks

[Synchronice]

Hi,

Can someone who has used one that works recommend me a Mixer that does work? I have tried 2 and neither have worked.
Has anyone tried ChipMixer?
thanks

Is this a serious question? If anyone in this world has tried bitcoin mixer, definitely it was Chipmixer. It's the most known and reputable mixer out there.

[FatFork]

I have tried 2 and neither have worked.

Could you let us know which two mixers you tried but didn't work? This would be helpful for other members to avoid the same mistakes.

Has anyone tried ChipMixer?

Yes.

[LeGaulois]

Another mixer closes the doors. Removing Foxmixer.com.

If you visit the website there is an empty page with a message claiming the service has been seized. True or not, it doesn't matter a lot but usually when a domain is seized there is a more explicit template about it, with a message from who/what, according to X or Y.
It seems like a fake page to me, to exit the business with a valuable excuse. There is nothing wrong if your business doesn't work, mistakes happen to everyone.

the code show nothing more than

Code:

<!-- #40194 HTML template for seizures of digital assets and services. Please see internal documentation for proper usage. #/ref40194 -->
<html>
<head>
<title>Seizure notice</title>
</head>
<body>
<center>
<h1 style="font-family: sans-serif; margin-top: 2rem;">This website and service have been seized</h1>
</center>
<div style="position: absolute; bottom: 0.5rem; right: 0.5rem;">#/ref40194</div>
</body>
</html>

[Tsyhan]

Hello, Who can advise working, proven Ethereum mixers. Except for the tornado.

[JeromeTash]

Hello, Who can advise working, proven Ethereum mixers. Except for the tornado.

But this list is about Bitcoin mixers.

Nonetheless, checkout ETH-Mixer.com
This is their thread, though not active - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2930843.0 (I can see a couple of members had some issues, one got his resolved.

I am not vouching for them since I have never used the service, so I advise you to;
1. DYOR
2. Proceed with caution and send in small test amounts to see if the mixer works

[LeGaulois]

Hello, Who can advise working, proven Ethereum mixers. Except for the tornado.

I can not, sorry. The demand for ETH mixers is so low and the supply so close to zero that the risk to be scammed is so high. Hence, everything that can be found on the web is surely 101% a scam. Even with what you can find on this forum, you should be extremely careful

In your shoes, I would prefer to make swap using an instant exchange, a DEX, or a CEX with no KYC.
ETH>Anycoin>ETH. You won't probably see a difference in the fees, and you can use a BTC mixer between if you want.

Tornado cash is the only one I know and to be honest I consider it as a "not so good" solution (depending on how anonymous you want to be of course). It's ok if you want to pay your whore of the week, less if the money comes from a hack

[LeGaulois]

- Added [banned mixer] to the list. 1 or 2 others will be added during the week

- Bitcoin mixer activity reaches an all-time high. The 30-day moving average of BTC sent to mixers hit a record $51.8 million in April. In Q2 2022, the amount sent to mixing services exceeded $600 million. Ukraine vs Russia has a major impact on the use of crypto mixers.

Look like Blender.io is possibly still active.... using other mixers.

last week's report from Chainalysis Crypto Mixer Usage Reaches All-time Highs in 2022 With Nation State Actors and Cybercriminals Contributing Significant Volume

[coupable]

Good new mixer

https://anonymixer.org/

It is not a new mixer.
The site has been running since 2020 and has a representative here on the forum : [ANN] Anonymixer - the Anonymous Bitcoin Mixer
The site is also on the OP list. Please check before posting :

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool for example right now 6 Feb it's 0.00009281 for a P2PKH address)
🔹Minimum amount: 1 satoshi

Btw , LeGaulois please update the info about this mixer ; the minimum amount to mix is 0.001 according to the info displayed in their homepage.


Another note about Blindmixer, It seems that the site changed the domain name or that it changed its service. This link refers to a wallet service and not to a Mixer. I may be wrong with something, please check.

[LeGaulois]

Another note about Blindmixer, It seems that the site changed the domain name or that it changed its service. This link refers to a wallet service and not to a Mixer. I may be wrong with something, please check.

All is fine, blindmixer is both a mixer and a wallet. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5363757.0

It is not a new mixer.
The site has been running since 2020 and has a representative here on the forum : [ANN] Anonymixer - the Anonymous Bitcoin Mixer

You're wrong because the real website is [banned mixer] and not .org
The guy above is just another scammer looking to pollute the web

[odolvlobo]

I notice that JoinMarket is not in your CoinJoin list.

⭐Name: JoinMarket
🔹Clearnet link: download at https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver
🔹Tor link:
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.0
🔹Fees: Varies. Typically, around 0.0001% per participant per round, or about 0.005%
🔹Minimum amount: Varies

[LeGaulois]

 

Mixers are more and more on the radar of The US (recently Tornado, blender.io before,...)
The Treasury Department suggests that sanctions should be applied to Bitcoin mixers "to reduce the risk of money laundering" and "deter entities" residing in Russia, Iran, North Korea and elsewhere from laundering money via mixers

"...Mixers are a concern..."

Where sanctions can act as a deterrent to any criminal seeking to use a blender to launder their funds [...], it is an effective means we can use to signal that we cannot tolerate money laundering." She explained, "Anonymity-enhancing technologies such as blenders [...] are indeed a concern in understanding the flow of illicit finances and pursuing them."

https://www.cointribune.com/analyses/institutions-entreprises/crypto-encore-plus-de-sanctions-contre-les-melangeurs-de-cryptomonnaies/
https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/the-competing-priorities-facing-u-s-crypto-regulations-bitcoin-ethereum/


I updated the list to add a newcomer, [banned mixer]
(ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5415483.msg61036967#msg61036967)

All others are up and ready to mix!

[LeGaulois]

Added 2 Bitcoin tumblers recently launched : [banned mixer] and [banned mixer]

[banned mixer]
I noticed there is a 3rd fee applied. You don't see it, unless you read the "About" page. So, there are the network fees, the service fees and the fees its 'technologies' take (0.0005 BTC and 0.0002 BTC per extra address).
At least it's clairly written and not hidden to people.


[banned mixer]
Don't see it as a negative point I'm bringing. I scrached my head because that's perhaps the first time I see a mixer with such ToS
Basically, as a French citizen, I'm not allowed to use the service:
Prohibition of use By using the service you also agree that you are NOT an individual who is a resident of any country of European Union (the "EU")[/quote]

Yet the site is translated in a few EU languages. Basically it means the mixer could freeze your coin. You can argue any other mixer can also freeze the coins, and it's right. But can I trust a service saying I'm not allowed to use the service, so can I trust a service that can do whatever with my coins? (hopping you see my point).
I believe it's done to protect the business but knowing the whole mixer business is mainly based on trust...

[dkbit98]

Prohibition of use By using the service you also agree that you are NOT an individual who is a resident of any country of European Union (the "EU")

This is crazy... and I failed to see this few days ago when I did my initial testing of their website.
They are excluding half of the planet from using their website, including EU (like you said) and United States, but they are also not allowing usage of any coins connected with gambling, cannabis and bunch of other things.
They can basically seize your coins for any of the reasons mentioned in their terms, unless they just wrote that for cosmetics/legal purposes.
Other thing I noticed with YoMix is that I am sometimes getting 504 Gateway Timeout errors and website gets randomly unavailable.
https://archive.is/IenZn

[LoyceV]

[banned mixer]

You should probably delete it from the list. Even "adult websites" aren't allowed. A mixer with taint analysis, lol.
What's next? Asking for KYC and a video chat showing your passport?

[LeGaulois]

If a mixer isn't anonymous, the police can find the owner.
If the police can easily find the owner, they can find the customers.

I discovered Unijoin is operating as a limited company (ltd) registered in the UK (with an active proposal to strike off)
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13647527
So there is the "supposed" name of Unijoin's owner

Surely a virtual adress, since the adress matches with a barbershop, but register a company without giving your identity in UK? I doubt it's possible nowadays. (it was possible 15 years back, with a 25£ fees)

Funny enough, the neighboor is "Uni Change"

Not easy because I have to be neutral

[Nefelibato]

Why is Coinjoin not considered a mixer?

[LeGaulois]

It is, since the goal is the same: to mix your bitcoins.

However, the coinjoin protocol works a bit differently with a different transaction structure. You join a pool with different parties and TXs.
The transaction doesn't go from 1 sender to 1 receiver.
Alice, Bob, Carol, Dave, and Eve make a joining group to mix between them.

A bitcoin mixer is a centralized service that you send bitcoins to.
Alice sends bitcoins to Bob, and Bob sends bitcoins to Alice

[Nefelibato]

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

[LeGaulois]

Yep.
However, you can consider the fact, for exemple, Wasabi is operatated by a company (zkSNACKs Ltd). And by nature, a company is centralized. This said  CoinJoins are by nature P2P and decentralized.
It's the tricky part, mixing the centralization with the decentralization.

As a result, who really décides? The company, as a coordinator, can block transactions they don't like to avoid hackers and scammers
The zkSNACKs coordinator will start refusing certain UTXOs from registering to coinjoins.
Today, hackers and scammers but soon or later it will be everything considered illicit. No really choice, since any company has to abide by the laws (money laundering,...)

Never, I've heard about a bitcoin mixer doing that.
I hope I'm not being too critical about Wasabi. They do a good job in their field

[BlackHatCoiner]

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

Coinjoin is a mixing method. And just as any mixing method (besides exceptions), it can be implemented in both centralized and decentralized manners. Central manner is the Wasabi wallet, where the coinjoin users must gather around a server, which will do the coinjoin without infringing custody. There's an even worse way, that is to just give up custody on a mixer, and let it do the coinjoin. The best way is to use peer-to-peer software such as JoinMarket, which works decentrally.

[LeGaulois]

The guy above is a bot, or?  

He posted the same thing out of topic yesterday, after my reply to @Nefelibato
https://ninjastic.space/post/61719949
(The post has been moderated or he deleleted it, I don't know)

Instant payments with Bitcoin? That's trolling me... (0_0)

[dkbit98]

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

It's more decentralized than other mixing solutions, but there are still some parts that can be centralized, like we saw in case with Wasabi wallet.
Joinmarket would be much better and more decentralized than all other mixing options.

The guy above is a bot, or?  

Post reported.
I did some testing of his posts for AI detection and results are showing high chance that he is actually a bot that used some tools to generate posts.
Than I saw his post history, with him writing in many different languages like Spanish, Italian, Russian, so I am even more sure this guy should be banned for plagiarism and use of AI tools.

[odolvlobo]

However, you can consider the fact, for example, Wasabi is operated by a company (zkSNACKs Ltd). And by nature, a company is centralized. This said  CoinJoins are by nature P2P and decentralized.

A minor correction. You can pick your Wasabi coinjoin coordinator. You are not required to use zksnacks.

[dkbit98]

A minor correction. You can pick your Wasabi coinjoin coordinator. You are not required to use zksnacks.

This is correct, but there is a good chance you won't be able to coinjoin anything because there are not enough coins with using different coordinators, or coinjoin results would be poor.
On top of that, most of the people don't even know how to choose different coordinator, and there is always a risk this other coordinators could be arrested for doing something illegal, so it's not very popular position

[nioctib_100]

there is always a risk this other coordinators could be arrested for doing something illegal, so it's not very popular position

From a philosophical POV, it shouldn't matter if the other coordinator is involved in illegal things, especially if the default is that the others with whom you coinjoin with are preset. Even if not preset - what, are we supposed to ask the entire personal history of the others involved? That defeats the point. Even if you asked, your chances of getting a straight answer are near 0%. I think it's an issue of "guilty by association," which fortunately does not fly much anymore in today's time.

[LeGaulois]

chipmixer + cryptomixer + wasabi wallet = best choice fox mix your coins  

yeah, and I remember how you wasted my time before. At the time, I've read each page of each ANN topic related to a mixer.
That was a lot of reading...

Here is what you do on Bitcointalk with your friends. You make few posts in different topics, then wait a few days to edit your comments to include a phishing link, or a crappy blog full of phishing links..
So many posts I reported

[whirlwindmoney]

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

It's more decentralized than other mixing solutions, but there are still some parts that can be centralized, like we saw in case with Wasabi wallet.
Joinmarket would be much better and more decentralized than all other mixing options.

This is an open question to the community, do you see any value in having a fully decentralized non-custodial BTC mixer? I am currently building a centralized solution with some unique features, but I got some ideas for how to make a decentralized one work and am trying to decide if it's worth the hassle to work on it.

In V1 (centralized) that will be launched in the following days users will have the option to choose from 2 mixing methods. The 'fast' one, which is similar to the other solutions available (you deposit and select how many withdrawal addresses/amounts/elapsed time you prefer and done you will receive your funds according to the schedule you set), or the 'slow' one, which works in a similar way to Tornado Cash if any of you are familiar with that. How it works is a user would go on the platform and generate a "Note", afterwards he deposits funds into the specified address and they get credited to his "Note". Then he can withdraw any amount from it at any point in time. So for example you could withdraw 20% of the balance after 2 days, another 30% after 1 week and the rest after 1 month, thus making it close to impossible to track movement of funds. And with more time passing and more BTC/deposits/withdrawals are performed the anonimity gets stronger and stronger. PERFECT privacy for Bitcoin doesen't exist, but I believe this model is as close as you can get to it. If you use it the correct way there is no possible way to prove your funds are coming from a specific address unlike some other solutions where it may be harder to do but nonetheless feasible.

In the possible V2 I am envisioning the process would stay pretty much the same except for the fact that anyone will be able to become a "validator" and so the protocol will become fully decentralized, meaning that it cannot be changed or tampered with by anyone - not even the original developers.

[nioctib_100]

This is an open question to the community, do you see any value in having a fully decentralized non-custodial BTC mixer? I am currently building a centralized solution with some unique features, but I got some ideas for how to make a decentralized one work and am trying to decide if it's worth the hassle to work on it.

In V1 (centralized) that will be launched in the following days users will have the option to choose from 2 mixing methods. The 'fast' one, which is similar to the other solutions available (you deposit and select how many withdrawal addresses/amounts/elapsed time you prefer and done you will receive your funds according to the schedule you set), or the 'slow' one, which works in a similar way to Tornado Cash if any of you are familiar with that. How it works is a user would go on the platform and generate a "Note", afterwards he deposits funds into the specified address and they get credited to his "Note". Then he can withdraw any amount from it at any point in time. So for example you could withdraw 20% of the balance after 2 days, another 30% after 1 week and the rest after 1 month, thus making it close to impossible to track movement of funds. And with more time passing and more BTC/deposits/withdrawals are performed the anonimity gets stronger and stronger. PERFECT privacy for Bitcoin doesen't exist, but I believe this model is as close as you can get to it. If you use it the correct way there is no possible way to prove your funds are coming from a specific address unlike some other solutions where it may be harder to do but nonetheless feasible.

In the possible V2 I am envisioning the process would stay pretty much the same except for the fact that anyone will be able to become a "validator" and so the protocol will become fully decentralized, meaning that it cannot be changed or tampered with by anyone - not even the original developers.

Without a doubt there's huge demand for a non-custodial mixer - trusting the centralized party is and always will be the largest weakness of any mixer. The catch is that it's unfortunately often difficult to build a decentralized product and keep it properly funded. Your model sounds relatively similar to Chipmixer, which in my opinion, has an edge over most other mixers in the strength of their privacy since you can spend the chips whenever you want, like the Notes in your model. As far as I know, there's no decentralized 'version' of Chipmixer though.

While the true innovation is in a decentralized model, I also have to say that I really like your idea of starting with a centralized model first. I've been working in the crypto space for a few years on various projects, and there was a huge push for decentralized products (like DEXes) back in 2019 or so. My thinking and arguments were always that we needed to continue building our centralized product and getting it stable first, before focusing on the decentralized product. It's just business reality that you need to get your funds and structure stabilized in order to have the runway and foundation to build the decentralized product. I butted heads quite a lot on that back then, although I think history has shown that the centralized companies have had more success. It gets a lot of hate, but that's just the reality. I'll be following along, it sounds like you've done a crypto venture or two before, and I'm looking forward to seeing and hopefully helping to alpha or beta test it when you launch it.

[whirlwindmoney]

Without a doubt there's huge demand for a non-custodial mixer - trusting the centralized party is and always will be the largest weakness of any mixer. The catch is that it's unfortunately often difficult to build a decentralized product and keep it properly funded. Your model sounds relatively similar to Chipmixer, which in my opinion, has an edge over most other mixers in the strength of their privacy since you can spend the chips whenever you want, like the Notes in your model. As far as I know, there's no decentralized 'version' of Chipmixer though.

While the true innovation is in a decentralized model, I also have to say that I really like your idea of starting with a centralized model first. I've been working in the crypto space for a few years on various projects, and there was a huge push for decentralized products (like DEXes) back in 2019 or so. My thinking and arguments were always that we needed to continue building our centralized product and getting it stable first, before focusing on the decentralized product. It's just business reality that you need to get your funds and structure stabilized in order to have the runway and foundation to build the decentralized product. I butted heads quite a lot on that back then, although I think history has shown that the centralized companies have had more success. It gets a lot of hate, but that's just the reality. I'll be following along, it sounds like you've done a crypto venture or two before, and I'm looking forward to seeing and hopefully helping to alpha or beta test it when you launch it.

Thank you for your response - no matter how trusted a mixer is there are too many factors at stake that make it impossible and foolish at the same time to fully trust a service, even if the operator has the best intentions at heart there are still many things that can go wrong. I strongly believe there is nothing illegal, but there will always be risks and everyone has to understand and acknowledge this

Our model may sound relatively similar to Chipmixer, but it's really not. I believe that all mixers at this point in time have a very strong weakness, and that is the fact that in the case of Chipmixer even though you can spend your chips whenever you want like you said, they are funded a very short amount of time before your actual deposit, so an in-depth analysis by a firm with some resources could narrow down the possible deposits to a small enough range that it may become possible to identify where the funds came from. The fact that you know they are funded before kind of defeats the purpose

This is the case with others too, let's take Sinbad as another example. You can choose when to receive your funds between 0-168 hours after your deposit. Someone that knows where to look will be able to narrow down the possible deposits to a small list again.

And another example the type of mixer that has multiple clusters and sends you bitcoins from a cluster that has "nothing to do with your address". In reality that doesen't change anything since the clusters are known anyways so it may actually be worse to do it this way because then you are sure that the deposit was not in the cluster where the BTC came from, so again this is all information that could help track your funds.

I am not trying to disregard any of the services I gave as examples and I'm sorry if it comes out that way, they still achieve the desired goal for most users and the points I raised may be irrelevant for most, but it makes for an interesting discussion nonetheless

As much as people don't want to hear it "mixing" can't really break the link between your deposits/withdrawals 100%, the best it can do is obfuscate everything so much that it becomes impossible to prove someone's withdrawal originated from a specific address, and this is certainly achievable with a good system and patience.

Our way of achieving this is with the notes, but more specifically when you deposit your BTC goes into our main address together with all other funds and stays there until you decide to withdraw it. So for example you could deposit 1 BTC today, withdraw 0.2 BTC in a week, another 0.5 BTC in 3 weeks and the rest in another month. Or you could wait 3 weeks, deposit another note with 0.75 BTC , merge it with the one you already had into a 1.75 BTC Note and withdraw to 3 addresses 1.2BTC, 0.3BTC and 0.25BTC. The actual transactions out of the main address happen when you withdraw, so the longer you wait the harder it is for anyone to track. The longer our service will run, the better the anonimity set will be. We have an initial reserve that will be available so users can mix their coins from the start, but after a while technically speaking EACH withdraw could originate from ANY deposit that was made from the beginning until that point thanks to the option to withdraw whenever you want. (instead of a ~200 hour range before or after the deposit transaction)

About the decentralized solution I don't think funding is the biggest issue since it could charge the same fees as a centralized solution and split them between the validators and that should probably make it worth it given the high volume that this service would presumably facilitate, so if it works it's all good. But at the moment I'm not too sure there is a big enough market to make it worth the time it would take to do it, but I will have more insight after a while of running the centralized solution.

[nioctib_100]

Our way of achieving this is with the notes, but more specifically when you deposit your BTC goes into our main address together with all other funds and stays there until you decide to withdraw it. So for example you could deposit 1 BTC today, withdraw 0.2 BTC in a week, another 0.5 BTC in 3 weeks and the rest in another month. Or you could wait 3 weeks, deposit another note with 0.75 BTC , merge it with the one you already had into a 1.75 BTC Note and withdraw to 3 addresses 1.2BTC, 0.3BTC and 0.25BTC. The actual transactions out of the main address happen when you withdraw, so the longer you wait the harder it is for anyone to track. The longer our service will run, the better the anonimity set will be. We have an initial reserve that will be available so users can mix their coins from the start, but after a while technically speaking EACH withdraw could originate from ANY deposit that was made from the beginning until that point thanks to the option to withdraw whenever you want. (instead of a ~200 hour range before or after the deposit transaction)

I think I completely get it - and I'm sure I'm oversimplifying your concept as a whole, but it's roughly like using an exchange to 'mix' your coins, depositing and withdrawing sometime in the future. The withdrawal comes from a relatively centralized pool, and it's very difficult to track a deposit to a withdrawal on an exchange from the outside. The risk comes from whatever info you've given to an exchange on the inside, but of course there'd be nothing to give to a mixer. You'd just have to trust that the mixer isn't taking any identifying info like your IP and all that. It seems like trust is going to be the absolute make or break it, haha I can already see that you're unfortunately going to get a lot of criticism in that space when people won't like leaving their coins on the platform. My thoughts are that this sort of mixer should be offered, and it's entirely up to the user to determine his own tradeoff on trust vs. privacy. Users can pretty much maximize privacy on a mixer that operates like that model, but they have to give up a very significant amount of trust as well that their notes will always be redeemable. Offer it up, and regardless of what happens, it's going to be very intriguing to follow all the conversation that comes up once you make your announcement post.

[whirlwindmoney]

I think I completely get it - and I'm sure I'm oversimplifying your concept as a whole, but it's roughly like using an exchange to 'mix' your coins, depositing and withdrawing sometime in the future. The withdrawal comes from a relatively centralized pool, and it's very difficult to track a deposit to a withdrawal on an exchange from the outside. The risk comes from whatever info you've given to an exchange on the inside, but of course there'd be nothing to give to a mixer. You'd just have to trust that the mixer isn't taking any identifying info like your IP and all that. It seems like trust is going to be the absolute make or break it, haha I can already see that you're unfortunately going to get a lot of criticism in that space when people won't like leaving their coins on the platform. My thoughts are that this sort of mixer should be offered, and it's entirely up to the user to determine his own tradeoff on trust vs. privacy. Users can pretty much maximize privacy on a mixer that operates like that model, but they have to give up a very significant amount of trust as well that their notes will always be redeemable. Offer it up, and regardless of what happens, it's going to be very intriguing to follow all the conversation that comes up once you make your announcement post.

From a security standpoint using our notes compared to chipmixer is very similar since if you don't move the funds from their addresses they still have the private keys, a huge advantage they have over us though is reputation. For those that don't want to take the risk of using the notes and waiting longer can just use the 'fast' mode and have their coins sent in the next block. It is entirely up to the user to choose what is best suited for him when he uses the platform.

Assuming everything works flawlessly the Note system will be the 'best' mixing type from a technical point of view so I don't see why we wouldn't offer that regardless of the skepticism

I can also see a lot of heated discussions happening and perhaps even accusations towards us because of the model we are choosing to run and there is nothing I can do or say to reassure anyone other than always being upfront regarding everything. With time trust will be built and we could look into longer-term solutions like decentralizing the service altogether or at the very least finding some highly reputable users on this forum that would be willing to be added to the multi-sig and sign transactions alongside us so the risk of any single party running away with the funds is eliminated altogether.

The announcement post should be live sometimes next week

[LoyceV]

do you see any value in having a fully decentralized non-custodial BTC mixer?
~
I got some ideas for how to make a decentralized one work

I'd like to read more about how this would work, but it belongs in a new topic.

In the possible V2 I am envisioning the process would stay pretty much the same except for the fact that anyone will be able to become a "validator" and so the protocol will become fully decentralized, meaning that it cannot be changed or tampered with by anyone - not even the original developers.

I'm very curious how this would work.

in the case of Chipmixer even though you can spend your chips whenever you want like you said, they are funded a very short amount of time before your actual deposit, so an in-depth analysis by a firm with some resources could narrow down the possible deposits to a small enough range that it may become possible to identify where the funds came from. The fact that you know they are funded before kind of defeats the purpose

That's one way to use ChipMixer. Your idea of "Notes" is similar to ChipMixer's vouchers (which they've offered since 2017). This is how you obtain maximum privacy:

However, due to my intent to expose the blockchain data from this transaction, I decided to use an address from ChipMixer.  The address was obtained using ChipMixer voucher codes that I set aside for this potential purpose in November.  I always keep a moderate amount of money in Chip vouchers, just in case I need to do something bad for my privacy.  The money for these vouchers may have been deposited by me anytime in about the past three or four years; thus, any blockchain observer who identifies Chip inputs will not find it feasible to guess which were mine.

Also, chips aren't necessarily funded shortly before your deposit. This transaction received chips that were funded weeks and months earlier.

when you deposit your BTC goes into our main address together with all other funds and stays there until you decide to withdraw it.

Do you mean "the money" will be centralized but the "who owns what" will be decentralized?

Assuming everything works flawlessly the Note system will be the 'best' mixing type from a technical point of view so I don't see why we wouldn't offer that regardless of the skepticism

Have you heard about blinded bearer certificates? Admin theymos wrote about it a few times:

If services like ChipMixer operated based on blinded bearer certificates, then they'd be in many ways superior to both of the above mixing methods. Someone should work on this.

Unfortunately, nobody has implemented it yet.

[whirlwindmoney]

That's one way to use ChipMixer. Your idea of "Notes" is similar to ChipMixer's vouchers (which they've offered since 2017). This is how you obtain maximum privacy:

Right, except for the fact that ChipMixer knows who the depositor for each voucher is, and even if we assume that ChipMixer is acting in good faith which they probably are, there is still the risk that their servers are infiltrated and someone might be monitoring every transaction.

In our case and this is valid ONLY if you choose 'slow' mode, we cannot link a deposit to a withdrawal even if we wanted. Once you deposit and you have your Note, that only acts as proof that you are indeed owed coins from the pool, but when you withdraw noone knows which coins you withdrew.

Do you mean "the money" will be centralized but the "who owns what" will be decentralized?

Not sure I got this right, but if you're saying that all funds will stay together in one pool but noone knows who the funds in the pool belong to, then you are right.

Have you heard about blinded bearer certificates? Admin theymos wrote about it a few times:

Not specifically about "blinded bearer certificates", but it's essentially the same as what we want to do. I actually find it quite strange that noone did this until now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ksu3o/blinded_bearer_certificates/ The V1 will work in a very similar way to what is outlined here, just without being decentralized. We are the "bank" and the users get the certificates or Notes which they use to later withdraw. We will also run a multi-sig from the beginning with multiple signing servers out of which one is going to be in a secure offline location, this way the risk of someone seizing all servers at once gets reduced to a minimum.

Once we decide to decentralize the system we can do it in multiple steps. The first like I said in a previous message would be to find some reputable members on this forum, as theymos also suggested, and add them to the multi-sig. Immediately after this the single point of failure is eliminated since now not only do we not know who the assets in the pool belong to, but we can't even access the funds ourselves anymore.

This is great, but it's still not completely trustless and that is the end goal. What we could do afterwards, but obviously this is a very long shot and I'm sure it will be discussed a lot in the future, is create a separate blockchain specifically for this purpose. I'm sure it's possible though.

[LeGaulois]

Heartbroken, I removed ChipMixer from the list. I shed a tear this morning because CM was a legend to me. I'm weak, I admit.
But since I'm a man, I have a new flower in my heart 

The niche of the bitcoin mixers will become harder and harder with the time, and to me, it is an obstruction to the "freedom" of citizens.
It's like in politics, democracy doesn't really exist finally.


(Annoying americans, as usual,  LOL)

[JeromeTash]

The niche of the bitcoin mixers will become harder and harder with the time, and to me, it is an obstruction to the "freedom" of citizens.
It's like in politics, democracy doesn't really exist finally.

The list of old Bitcoin mixers is shrinking so fast, most that are still operational are from around 2020. There was always something about Chipmixer. Even when other major mixers like Bitblender and bestmixer were halted. Chipmixer would just absorb the shock like it was nothing.

Let's hope the new kids on the block will manage to fill the void left behind.

[LeGaulois]

edit: the site is back


[banned mixer] stopped its service, I believe. Both links on the clearnet and .onion are down.
I removed it from the list for now. If the service comes back I will add it again of course because it could be just a maintenance (a too long one) but I'm not sure I'll ever see it online again

I don't know if it's because he has been 'afraid' after the case with Chipmixer or he decided to give up...
He's a guy with a good knowledge in the bitcoin mixer niche.


for my reference

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool for example right now 6 Feb it's 0.00009281 for a P2PKH address)
🔹Minimum amount: 1 satoshi[/size]

[zartafuydo]

Hi guys,

I'm trying to find a reliable bitcoin mixer, and my concern is the following. If the software of the mixing website is run at a hosting/vps-provider-owned server, not at a home/on-premises server owned by the mixer admins, then the hosting or vps provider has full access to the logs. In other words, we have to trust both mixer admins and the hosing provider that they don't send the pairs "input mixing transaction - output mixing transaction" to the governments. The same concern raises if the webiste is run at an on-premises server, but there is a vps/vpn/hosting provider who MITMs the traffic (officially this is usually called "ddos-protection").

I checked the websites in the straing post, and I see the following.

1. Most of the mixers show the standard cloudfare's anti-TOR page ("checking if the connection is secure...") when I open their clearnet versions through TOR. This is a 100% sign that cloudfare MITMs the traffic or runs the whole website software. And these mixers allow mixing through clearnet, effectively giving away the users' data to cloudfare. These are: https://[banned mixer]/, https://mixer1.money/, https://[banned mixer]/, https://[banned mixer]/, https://sinbad.io/en, https://[banned mixer]/

2. At three more mixers, I didn't see the cloudfare's anti-TOR page, but when I DNS-resolved their IP addresses and navigated to this bare IP address, I saw one more standard coludfare's page "Direct IP access not allowed". So, cloudfare is still involved. Theoretically, this does not imply MITM so directly as in the previous case, but I'm not sure whether coludfare provides any service at all that redirects TLS traffic after SNI to an on-premises server, I think they are a pure hosing provider (if they redirected TCP/IP traffic to an on-premises server, we wouldn't see cloudfare's pages when accessing the bare IP, and I don't think they offer TCP/IP redirection either). If they indeed don't offer TLS traffic redirection after SNI (does anyone know this for sure here?), then cloudfare still has access to all data of the users of these mixers. (And yes, these mixers still accept bitcoins via clearnet.) These include: https://mixer.blindmixer.com/, https://[banned mixer]/, https://[banned mixer]/

3a. One more mixer, after a similar check (resolve DNS, navigate to the bare IP), shows some not so common page saying "DDOS-guard". Again, I'm not sure and I want to ask the people here: is there any "anti-ddos" software available that is intended for installation at an on-premise server? Or is such a page at a bare IP address again a sign that the website is run at a hosting provider's server? This mixer is https://[banned mixer]/, IP address: 185.178.208.139, still allows mixing through clearnet.

3b. One more mixer behaves very similarly, except that instead of a page saying "DDOS-guard", it replies to a bare IP request with a page saying "bad gateway", which has a self-signed SSL sertificate issued by "ddos-guard". This is: https://[banned mixer]/, IP address: 185.149.120.23

4. There is 1 mixers in the list left that look a bit better than that: https://[banned mixer]/ (IP: 185.193.125.108, with a bare IP access: no response on port 80, port 443 replies with an SSL-certificate of [banned mixer]), so no direct signs of a provider-owned server (or maybe I just don't see one?)

By the way, who do some of the TOR links in the start post point to v2 TOR addresses? They are not supported by the TOR network anymore, unfortunately. Even if you prevented you local tor package from updating, the middle tor noe operators typically didn't do so, so v2 TOR addresses are more or less unreachable now.

[LeGaulois]

By the way, who do some of the TOR links in the start post point to v2 TOR addresses? They are not supported by the TOR network anymore, unfortunately. Even if you prevented you local tor package from updating, the middle tor noe operators typically didn't do so, so v2 TOR addresses are more or less unreachable now.

Because the websites concerned have never switched to v3, so I can't update with the new links. (If you noticed, the sites in question are white labels powered by the same group).

I left the links to v2 because it doesn't damage to let them and for reference if I needed later. When we went from v2 to v3, I updated as the mixers made the switch, but some never did. The question is why? My theory is that they just dropped it with Tor because no one was using them and they preferred to stay on the clearnet only.

[LoyceV]

I left the links to v2 because it doesn't damage to let them and for reference if I needed later. When we went from v2 to v3, I updated as the mixers made the switch, but some never did. The question is why? My theory is that they just dropped it with Tor because no one was using them and they preferred to stay on the clearnet only.

Mixtum has an updated .onion link on their site now.
XXL Mixer can just as well be removed entirely, it doesn't have a clearnet link and it doesn't have a working Tor link either.

[LeGaulois]

Removed XXL Mixer and updated Mixtum's onion link

I will add a new mixer today or tomorrow.
Whirlwind.money https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446575.msg61989613#msg61989613

Mixtum has an updated .onion link on their site now.
XXL Mixer can just as well be removed entirely, it doesn't have a clearnet link and it doesn't have a working Tor link either.

[LeGaulois]

Up with two newcomers to the list

⭐Name: Whirlwind.money
🔹Clearnet link: http://whirlwind.money
🔹Tor link: whirlwct7ertqae6i7ivsm475kgia6v67zzxevgzkilykknrjke33cqd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.25 to 4% + the network fees (0.0001 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + the network fees (0,00035 or 0007 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC

Mix your bitcoins!

[LeGaulois]

A long time ago, there was a mixer on the forum that collected BTC adresses and sent a lot of dust transactions to forum users without them having anything to do with the service. It was around 2017-2018
Does anyone remember the name ?

Thanks.
I updated the list with a new service: [banned mixer] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448710.0
I will probably remove 1 or 2 websites very soon

[Whir - Michael]

Up with two newcomers to the list

⭐Name: Whirlwind.money
🔹Clearnet link: http://whirlwind.money
🔹Tor link: whirlwct7ertqae6i7ivsm475kgia6v67zzxevgzkilykknrjke33cqd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.25 to 4% + the network fees (0.0001 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + the network fees (0,00035 or 0007 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC

Mix your bitcoins!

Another newcomer to the 2023 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites is [banned mixer] - CoinJoin powered bitcoin mixer.

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]/
🔹Tor link: http://[banned mixer]/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: 1% fixed fee
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 10 BTC

[logfiles]

Another newcomer to the 2023 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites is [banned mixer] - CoinJoin powered bitcoin mixer.

Just a suggestion here.

You can also make full use of the Service Announcements board and create an announcement for your Bitcoin tumbler. The thread can serve as a place where members can make suggestions, drop in their reviews and complaints. It can also be a place where you can make updates about the service.
Of course, it's your choice.

[LeGaulois]

I'm adding it to the list but to be honest, something doesn't look right to me

I'm talking about

Code:

##.container
##.show.latest-tx-box

I've been on the website for about 1 minute and I've see the box saying me 0.xx btc has been mixed at least 4 times.
And I know for a fact it's not true.
 

[odolvlobo]

I'm adding it to the list but to be honest, something doesn't look right to me

LeGaulois, adding the mixer to the list is your stamp of approval. Why would you add it to the list if you have evidence that it is a scam?

My main concern is that creating a mixer is an easy way to scam people. With all of these new recommendations, I wonder if any have really been vetted.

I think that a person who recommends a mixer should also provide some kind of guarantee, so that if the site turns out to be a scam, the person who recommended it must compensate the victims.

⭐Name: [banned mixer]

I certainly do not trust [banned mixer]. The mixer is recommended by someone whose only post on this site is that recommendation.

[LeGaulois]

I give information, not advices. People have a brain and shall use it.

A lie doesn't mean a scam to me, (even if I see it as a not correct method to do business) otherwise there are a couple of services I could label as a scam. I could also say a service marketing itself as "the best mixer" is a lie, so a scam (because the best mixer is the one in my signature space, we all know that ).
It's not the first time I see a mixer using this pop up, I consider it as a marketing trick to make the service looking popular

Me, compensating the victims? So when a website is fully functionnal and months laters it scams people I shall pay too?
Let me spin your idea. What about people compensating me all the money that I've spend on different things? No, right?
(There is 1 mixer launched recently who offered me to cover the cost for something and I refused anyway)

I tested this website as I usually do, and it worked

https://blockstream.info/address/bc1qwszhjwd5nwz2gfyn38cl4jh8kxmw8zju06nqau
https://blockstream.info/address/3Bk9cw7TP5rb3XDrN5LnkyZ4X618tUXHPV

[Whir - Michael]

I give information, not advices. People have a brain and shall use it.

A lie doesn't mean a scam to me, (even if I see it as a not correct method to do business) otherwise there are a couple of services I could label as a scam. I could also say a service marketing itself as "the best mixer" is a lie, so a scam (because the best mixer is the one in my signature space, we all know that ).
It's not the first time I see a mixer using this pop up, I consider it as a marketing trick to make the service looking popular

Me, compensating the victims? So when a website is fully functionnal and months laters it scams people I shall pay too?
Let me spin your idea. What about people compensating me all the money that I've spend on different things? No, right?
(There is 1 mixer launched recently who offered me to cover the cost for something and I refused anyway)

I tested this website as I usually do, and it worked

https://blockstream.info/address/bc1qwszhjwd5nwz2gfyn38cl4jh8kxmw8zju06nqau
https://blockstream.info/address/3Bk9cw7TP5rb3XDrN5LnkyZ4X618tUXHPV

Thanks for trying our bitcoin mixer /][banned mixer] and for adding it to your list. Anyone who needs to anonymise bitcoins is more than welcome to use our service.

[zartafuydo]

I have checked the webpages of the 4 recently added mixers, and all of them look cloudfare-related.

1. [banned mixer] and [banned mixer] show the standard cloudfare's anti-TOR page, the traffic is definitely MITMed by cloudfare.

2. whirlwind.money and [banned mixer] don't show the cloudfare's anti-TOR page, but the IP addresses these domain names point to still belong to cloudfare, which raises the same suspects as in part 2 of my previous message.

Summarizing, there is only one mixer in the list left that does not show signs of the traffic being MITMed by a "ddos protection system", [banned mixer], but now it looks dead, neiter the clearnet page nor the tor page works. All alive mixers show weaker or stronger sings of MITM.

By the way, the link to [banned mixer]'s thread at this forum in the opening post does not really link anywhere. It's just plain text, not a real link.

[LoyceV]

2. whirlwind.money and [banned mixer] don't show the cloudfare's anti-TOR page, but the IP addresses these domain names point to still belong to cloudfare, which raises the same suspects as in part 2 of my previous message.

Can you share your view on this post?

[zartafuydo]

Can you share your view on this post?

In brief, I think that the approach by whirlwind.money is not a reliable defence against cloudfare's MITM. I already wrote some more details in whirlwind.money's ANN thread, here.

Or do you mean, you are suggesting to repost this detailed opinion from the ANN thread to the thread where they are "collecting opinions"? I am new at this forum, I don't know what is common here.

[LoyceV]

Or do you mean, you are suggesting to repost this detailed opinion from the ANN thread to the thread where they are "collecting opinions"? I am new at this forum, I don't know what is common here.

It's better to keep the discussion in one place but it's split up already. I'd say your current post is fine

[LeGaulois]

Anonymixer decided to give up with its service. It was often down lately but after several days, I think it's the end.
Probably the same goes with mixer1.money, it's down, but I will wait a bit.

Do you remember the bitcoin mixer Helix? The owner had been arrested about 3 years ago.
Well, last week his brother has been sentenced to 4 years in jail for stealing cryptos that was subject to forfeiture (the cryptos of Helix).
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-sentenced-stealing-over-712-bitcoin-subject-forfeiture

used his brother’s credentials to recreate the bitcoin wallets stored on the device and covertly transfer more than 712 bitcoin, valued at approximately $4.8 million at the time, to his own wallets – stealing those funds and obstructing the pending criminal forfeiture proceeding. xxxxxxxxxxx further laundered the proceeds through two online bitcoin mixer services before using the laundered bitcoins to finance large purchases and other expenditures.

[Crypt0knight23]

Do any of these mixers use lightning network? With mempool currently being congested, and fees astronomically high, lightning network would be a huge relief right now, especially for coins sent out of the mixers. I feel like mixers/tumblers might use low fees by default, and have you waiting 4 days or more for your transaction to confirm/arrive in your wallet

[LeGaulois]

None of them.
Years back, bitblender had an option to use LN to give a lightning invoice on the withdraw page.

The LN is more or less already a mixer

(https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2019-October/002245.html)


The problem with the fees will fade, not the first time we see it and a mixer will adjust the network fees if he think it needs to be done (like they did before)

[PowerGlove]

Looks like Ganicanz is being a dickhead (again): they've edited one of their posts to include (homographic) phishing links.

Be careful with the below BBCode, I'm only including it here for anyone that's curious. (I've reported the post and I'm guessing it'll be deleted soon.)

Original BBCode (March 09, 2023, 09:37:04 AM):

Code:

[quote author=Ganicanz link=topic=2827109.msg61881923#msg61881923 date=1678354624]
chipmixer + cryptomixer + wasabi wallet = best choice fox mix your coins  8)
[/quote]

Edited BBCode (March 24, 2023, 08:44:59 PM):

Code:

[quote author=Ganicanz link=topic=2827109.msg61881923#msg61881923 date=1679690699]
[url=https://chipmixẹr.com]chipmixer.com[/url] + [url=https://cryptomíxer.io][banned mixer][/url] + wasabi wallet = best choice fox mix your coins  8)
[/quote]

I see LoyceV left them negative feedback for doing the same thing a while back. I wonder why they haven't been banned yet?

[LeGaulois]

Thanks.
Shame on me I didn't remember about him, while I replied to him ~2 months ago
I guess that's what we call " to start to be old" very promising...

No idea why such members are not just perma banned. It's not the type of thing that deserves a 2nd chance or something around

(if he edits the post on May 9, I bet it will be to include a blog post link talking about the scam bitblender.ai)

[whirlwindmoney]

Hi @LeGaulois -

⭐Name: Whirlwind.money
🔹Clearnet link: http://whirlwind.money
🔹Tor link: whirlwct7ertqae6i7ivsm475kgia6v67zzxevgzkilykknrjke33cqd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.25 to 4% + the network fees (0.0001 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

Could you update our fees in the first post? Currently we do not charge any network fees and the donation is completely optional. Thanks in advance!

[twrursgz]

The problem with the fees will fade, not the first time we see it

I doubt it will. Yes, it happened before, but previously it was caused by completely opposite reasons. Previously it was caused by problems in official, fiat-based economy, the loss of trust to the official money after the 2020 US elections manipulation. Everyone wanted to really buy bitcoins to secure their savings that didn't look so secure anymore if still kept in official money. Once the increased demand was satisfied, the problem with fees faded indeed.

This time, the problem is caused by problems of bitcoin itself, by bitcoin community's inability to resist and eliminate ordinals. I don't see any signs of bitcoin community gaining such power in a foreseeable future, so I expect mempool clogging will persist. By the way, every time the mempool gets especially clogged with ordinals (in February and now), the bitcoin price goes down, just like (if) it makes the loss of power obvious to the bitcoin community.

[LeGaulois]

 
==> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg12637.html

Action should have been taken months ago. Spam filtration has been a standard part of Bitcoin Core since day 1. It's a mistake that the existing filters weren't extended to Taproot transactions. We can address that, or try a more narrow approach like OP_RETURN (ie, what "Ordisrespector" does). Since this is a bugfix, it doesn't really even need to wait for a major release.

(We already have pruning. It's not an alternative to spam filtering.)

Luke

Hi guys,

I think everyone on this list knows what has happened to the Bitcoin mempool during the past 96 hours. Due to side projects such as BRC-20 having such a high volume, real bitcoin transactions are being priced out and that is what is causing the massive congestion that has arguable not been seen since December 2017. I do not count the March 2021 congestion because that was only with 1-5sat/vbyte.

Such justifiably worthless ("worthless" is not even my word - that's how its creator described them[1]) tokens threaten the smooth and normal use of the Bitcoin network as a peer-to-pear digital currency, as it was intended to be used as.

If the volume does not die down over the next few weeks, should we take an action? The bitcoin network is a triumvirate of developers, miners, and users. Considering that miners are largely the entities at fault for allowing the system to be abused like this, the harmony of Bitcoin transactions is being disrupted right now. Although this community has a strong history of not putting its fingers into pies unless absolutely necessary - an example being during the block size wars and Segwit - should similar action be taken now, in the form of i) BIPs and/or ii) commits into the Bitcoin Core codebase, to curtail the loophole in BIP 342 (which defines the validation rules for Taproot scripts) which has allowed these unintended consequences?

An alternative would be to enforce this "censorship" at the node level and introduce a run-time option to instantly prune all non-standard Taproot transactions. This will be easier to implement, but won't hit the road until minimum next release.

I know that some people will have their criticisms about this, absolutists/libertarians/maximum-freedom advocates, which is fine, but we need to find a solution for this that fits everyone's common ground. We indirectly allowed this to happen, which previously wasn't possible before. So we also have a responsibility to do something to ensure that this kind of congestion can never happen again using Taproot.

-Ali

To be honest, I don't care about the Bitcoin price, I currently don't know it. :/
That's something I check 3/4 times per year

[twrursgz]

https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg12637.html

Well, it's good news that they are trying to do something, but the question is still, if they are going to actually succeed. And in fact, I don't have so much hope, especially in view of the major defeats of the FOSS community in general last years. In your quote they are talking about "the next few weeks", so let's see what happens in a few weeks.

[LeGaulois]

[banned mixer] is back on track so I added it to the list.

TLTR:
The server got covid19, but it has been vaccinated since. No need for a mask now.
  

The website was fighting with a huge DDOS attack and since they refuse absolutely to use any MITM service (Cloudflare and co.)
I admit I should be used with DDOS stuff with BTC mixers but the service didn't stop to appear and disappear and when it disappeared, it was during several days.
The Tor version should be more stable with the latest POW code. If the system is dynamic, the difficulty is adapted to the attack's volume

for reference:

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

edit:

...

Corrected, thanks.
It was a copy-paste from an outdated LeGaulois

[LoyceV]

🔹Minimum amount: 1 satoshi

This is long outdated, the minimum is /help/faq]0.001BTC (which makes more sense than 1 sat, considering on-chain fees).

[LeGaulois]

⭐Name: Mixer1.money
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixer1.money

Is it the same guy behind the old [banned mixer] – bitcoin mixer | oчиcткa bitcoin | pyccкaя пoддepжкa

If you visit mixer1.money, you're now redirected to [banned mixer]
If you visit [banned mixer]'s website, they also changed the URL

Not so important. I haven't find a scam accusation when [banned mixer] disappeared but it's a weird case

Perhaps not the same guy, but just the person behind mixer1.money bought [banned mixer]

Domain Name: mlxer.money [banned mixer]
Creation Date: 2023-06-12

[icopress]

Domain Name: mlxer.money
Creation Date: 2023-06-12

I don't think this thread has anything to do with Jambler, although they do have a [banned mixer] site running on their website.

Also, the domain you specified contains "L" instead of "i"

[LeGaulois]

I don't think this thread has anything to do with Jambler, although they do have a [banned mixer] site running on their website.

True, but [banned mixer]'s website is a good source to see what's going on and is saving time

Also, the domain you specified contains "L" instead of "i"

It's a typo from me while posting

https://whois.gandi.net/en/results?search=[banned mixer]

But look like I accidently found a new scam (mlxer.money)

https://whois.gandi.net/en/results?search=mlxer.money

Also registered on 2023-06-12

the same day...

[icopress]

In this case, then your guess is correct, the domain was bought by Jambler, although the thread you indicated is still not related to them.

The next time I have a conversation with one of their representatives, I will clarify these details.  

p.s. edited bbcode for one project and answered you by accident on their behalf.

[LeGaulois]

Thanks, it will be great

Since I edited my previous post, not sure if you noticed what I added but

If you hear something about

https://whois.gandi.net/en/results?search=mlxer.money

Also registered on 2023-06-12

the same day...

Both domains have been created the same day

[icopress]

https://whois.gandi.net/en/results?search=mlxer.money

Also registered on 2023-06-12

the same day...

Yes, I really missed it. I can only say that when 4-5 years ago I worked with different projects, the issue of buying similar domains was often on the agenda. According to this, it is possible that Jambler decided to buy this similar domain in order to avoid reputational losses (just a thought).

By the way...let me ask you. Do you know something about anonymix?
If it does not change me, the domain of this mixer ended in "io" but I see that there is also "ss". Sorry for going off topic.

[LeGaulois]

By the way...let me ask you. Do you know something about anonymix?
If it does not change me, the domain of this mixer ended in "io" but I see that there is also "ss". Sorry for going off topic.

No problem.

Anonymix was a mixer launched in 2019 and yes the tld was .io. It closed after ~1 year
The owner was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2678553

I guess you wanted to say "cc" instead of "ss"
Anonymix.cc is a scam, as well anonymix.so anonymixer.net

[nakamura12]

I don't see [banned mixer] on the list even though it is a Bitcoin mixer and they have a running sig campaign here in the forum that is managed by icopress. I did see that it is mentioned in your thread of scam bitcoin mixer where there's a mixum.io in there and you explained it that it is a fake copy of [banned mixer].

[LeGaulois]

It has always been listed in the original post, but it seems I deleted it between March and now  
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307030647/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg61992418#msg61992418

it's corrected now

[PawGo]

I know it is probably not the best topic for my question, but I did not find a better one and I do not want to create a new one.

Just out of curiosity:
Are there any mixers for other coins than Bitcoin, for example BCH? How it would work with ETH?

[LoyceV]

Are there any mixers for other coins than Bitcoin, for example BCH?

I've seen mixers for altcoins in the past, but can't tell you if they're reliable.
BCH also has has "CashFusion" built into it's Electrum fork.

[LeGaulois]

There are plenty!!! ... but all of them are scams.

On a serious note, for BCH, I remember about the wallet "Cashshuffle" but I can't comment about it.
I'vee seen mixers as a web-based service but they're gone (privcoin, weimixer,...) or decided to stop their service and instead create a BTC mixer
(exemple)

As for ETH, there are certainely smart contract mixers

[BlackHatCoiner]

I think that the best way to mix an altcoin is to do atomic swap with XMR.

[PawGo]

I've seen mixers for altcoins in the past, but can't tell you if they're reliable.

There are plenty!!! ... but all of them are scams.

Interesting. I wonder what is ROI, daily/weekly volume etc in case of BTC mixers and how it is related to the market cap. Entry threshold? Do these numbers make altcoins mixers unprofitable or there is just no need for them? BCH has around only 0.5% of BTC market capitalization, but is it the answer?

[icopress]

Man, update the thread link for [banned mixer] (they lost control of the old account and created a new account and a new thread).

At the moment, I also keep in touch with them (let me know in case you have additional questions).

We have returned! 🐱

Unfortunately, we have lost access to the old account, so from now on this is our official Bitcointalk account.

Please keep in mind that in case of disputes, you should send a letter of guarantee ONLY to our e-mail or telegram bot.

Code:

Contacts: https://t.me/MixyMoneyBot, [banned mixer](at)proton.me

[dkbit98]

Are there any mixers for other coins than Bitcoin, for example BCH? How it would work with ETH?

There are several mixers for ethereum (similar like tornado cash), but there is already monero that has built in ''mixer'' that is much better than any other centralized shitcoin mixing service.
I think that litecoin also introduced mimblewimble for better privacy, and bch has cashfusion mixing with electrum cash wallet, but I don't think volume is very good.
If you want to mix ethereum it's best to atomic swap it with monero and than maybe swap in bitcoin.

[LeGaulois]

Man, update the thread link for [banned mixer] (they lost control of the old account and created a new account and a new thread).

Everything is up to date Sir.

Not only the thread link, but the onion URL and the fees.
I noticed the onion URLs aren't the same, and the Telegram too, but there are surely reasons.

(Suggestion: the website is still displaying their old ANN topic's link)

I'm sure the demand for altcoins mixers is near too zero, hence we've have never seen them growing
Bitcoin tumbler can be a very very profitable business if you have something new to offer compared to others.

The volume is very fluctuating but hard to say based on what.

I would love if mixers could give some data to play with and then make statistics (I like stats and mathematics) but I'm just dreaming. I know none of them can do that 

[foolazz22]

Cant reach https://[banned mixer]. Has been the case for a while now.

[LeGaulois]

Edit: the website is back online
____________________

...

Hi

I was there a few days ago.

Surely because the website is again under a DDOS attack.
Quoting myself:

The website was fighting with a huge DDOS attack and since they refuse absolutely to use any MITM service (Cloudflare and co.)

The .onion URL is working fine currently

[foolazz22]

...

Hi

I was there a few days ago.

Surely because the website is again under a DDOS attack.
Quoting myself:

The website was fighting with a huge DDOS attack and since they refuse absolutely to use any MITM service (Cloudflare and co.)

The .onion URL is working fine currently

Taking this long to get it running. Still cant access it. EDIT: yep seems onion is running fine.

[LeGaulois]

A new mixer in the town, Thormixer


⭐Name: Thormixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.[banned mixer]/
🔹Tor link: amwnnncglaw27kfomeiszq4eltwkktnkdzjg6kbtjwb2w3zgysatjead.onion
🔹Fees: 4% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC

not using our dear friend Cloudflare.
The code is Python, HTML and CSS, no JS.
Offshore server outside of the 5-9- 14 Eyes alliances.

Minimum and Maximum amount
Can anyone help me to complete this?
I've forgotten the numbers since this afternoon, and I can't open the website. (machine with parental control   )

Not needed anymore.
TY

[Bitcoin_Arena]

A new mixer in the town, Thormixer

This is just an alert
I discovered that the site is offline today (both the clearnet and Tor mirror, which somehow rules out the possibility of a DDoS attack). I am not sure how long it has been off but let's give it some days or weeks and see if it will be back up.

[Thormixer]

A new mixer in the town, Thormixer

This is just an alert
I discovered that the site is offline today (both the clearnet and Tor mirror, which somehow rules out the possibility of a DDoS attack). I am not sure how long it has been off but let's give it some days or weeks and see if it will be back up.

The site is online. Clearnet and onion.  But im working on the web to improve the service and some parts will be unstable throughout some days. Don't worry, it will be completely online again soon. Be patient please. Thanks.

not using our dear friend Cloudflare.

We activated Cloudflare after a rude DDoS attack that we could only endure for a few days. It is temporary while I look for another solution, but I wanted to inform you here.

[LeGaulois]

An additional detail will be added to each site to find out who is using clouflare & co.
Not a bad idea, isn't?. It's a point that may be important for some people, so why not, eh

Reminder:
So far, [banned mixer] is the only one which has always refused to embrace a solution, with all the risks that this may represent for some people.

Me, years ago:

Between blackmail extorsions, I even suspect that some Mixers attack other Mixers, among other methods they use

Me, a few days ago:

There is definitely a tendancy recently to attack the bitcoin mixers, and more than usual

Still avalaible nowadays, no matter if the service is new or old. If you follow the niche, you know who has been hit. (Sinbad, Whirlwind, ...)
I bring some facts I collected here and there the last few days

- "There are about 4 or 5 services facing a ddos attack the last few days. It means ~30% of the market. "
- It doesn't matter if the site is old (a contender) or a newcomer (not a serious contender yet). Thormixer is the perfect example. As soon as it appeared on the scene, it was attacked.
- The tendancy to DDOS mixers started a few days after Chipmixer was shut down (confirmed by more than 1 guy)


Make your own opinion but I have an adage: follow the money

[LoyceV]

- The tendancy to DDOS mixers started a few days after Chipmixer was shut down (confirmed by more than 1 guy)

Don't forget that CM was often plagued by DDOS too. It was the reason they gave up on the clearnet version entirely.

There is definitely a tendancy recently to attack the bitcoin mixers, and more than usual

Even loyce.club had a DDOS last month. For all I know it's the DDOS protection companies doing it Mob style, offering "protection"

[LeGaulois]

True for CM
And who was alive during these periods, and who is still alive nowadays

But now the question is: is it possible to run a BTC mixer without using third-party companies?

The attacks are pretty severe and despite spending hours trying to fight them off on their own, they are not able.
So much so that they've given up and turned to cloudflare/ddos-guard.

DDos a site doesn't cost that much. It was a bit expensive 15-20 years ago, but nowadays for ~1500 euros, I can take your site down for a whole month. You can imagine the damages if I ruin your business for 1 month.

Even loyce.club had a DDOS last month.

Interesting...
(Are you aware if @Tryninja and others dudes have been hit too?)

[anonymixer]

But now the question is: is it possible to run a BTC mixer without using third-party companies?

The Anonymixer clearnet website was fine yesterday, but today is under another 100,000+ unique IP DDoS attack again, apologies for the inconvenience.

The clearnet site should be back up by the end of today is up, without help from Cloudflare, DDOS-Guard or any other third party service.

It would take just one secretive subpoena from US Government to force Cloudflare to silently collect all traffic for 12 out of 17 mixers on this list, eavesdropping and destroying privacy for their users and similarly little pressure from "International Partners" to force DDOS-Guard to do the same for the remaining 4.

UPDATE: Clearnet site is back up - hope the 100k+ strong botnet enjoys it

[LeGaulois]

Updated with

- @mocacinno's topic link on Mixers using cloudflare's SSL certificate added
- Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes or No added. (Ddos-guard.net goes in the same bag as Cloudflare to me. They're both potential MITM attack vectors)
- Whirlwind.money removed

to summarize what happened with Whirlwind (if someone isn't aware)

So, to summarize(and correct me if I got anything wrong):

• The website isn't profitable (yet)
• Deposits are working
• The website claims to pay a very high 12% APR on deposits
• The daily awards aren't always being added
• Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago
• The signature campaign payments happen off-chain and thus can't be withdrawn now
• User whirlwindmoney hasn't been here for more than a month
• Support doesn't respond to inquiries

No matter what the reason is, this looks bad.

Type 3 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3197

[NotATether]

The Anonymixer clearnet website was fine yesterday, but today is under another 100,000+ unique IP DDoS attack again, apologies for the inconvenience.

I am not a network engineer but isn't it possible using an industrial router to collect all of those IPs from web server logs, and add all 100k IPs to its firewall at once without significant performance penalties?

Maybe if there are hardware load balancers, they can be used so that the routers are not overwhelmed.

[LeGaulois]

IPs keep changing
There are so many IPs to compromise and so many IPs rotating during a DDOS. Look at web hosting companies advertising their DDOS protection in their web hosting package. If you're under attack too seriously they will kick you out without asking your opinion. There is always a limit to not cross

Cloudflare itself buy IP lists from companies to complete their own

[Synchronice]

I've seen mixers for altcoins in the past, but can't tell you if they're reliable.

There are plenty!!! ... but all of them are scams.

Interesting. I wonder what is ROI, daily/weekly volume etc in case of BTC mixers and how it is related to the market cap. Entry threshold? Do these numbers make altcoins mixers unprofitable or there is just no need for them? BCH has around only 0.5% of BTC market capitalization, but is it the answer?

If we keep in mind that chipmixer was able to pay thousands of dollars per week for promoting their business on this forum, then we should assume that their volume and income is very high. According to news websites, it's believed that more than 150,000 bitcoins have been laundered on chipmixer. They weren't chargin regular fees, like 0.5%, 1% or something like that, they were absolutely free to use but instead they had fixed chip size, for example - 0.001 BTC chip, 0.002, 0.005, 0.01BTC, something like this. So, if you were to deposit 0.0012 bitcoins, you would get 0.001BTC and 0.0002BTC would be a donation from your side. Also, in order to increase your anonimity, you could lessen your bitcoins by donating some of them, probably a lot of people were doing that. They were also offering provably fair betting with chips. So, yeah, they had a great business model and were making tons of money.
Majority of exchanges charge fixed fee and also let you to choose certain range of fee in order to increase your anonimity. I bet exchanges should be earning between 1-3% from each deposit. It's a pretty good business even with a weekly volume of 10 BTC.

[LeGaulois]

Looking to track a new way scammers are exploring

Does anyone know what the following syntax means exactly

Code:

/^https?:\/\/[0-9a-z]*\.?[-0-9a-z]{4,}\.[a-z]{2,11}\/(?:[0-9a-z]{6,8}\/)?\/?\?u=[0-9a-z]{7}&o=[0-9a-z]{7}/$document,match-case

^ is the start of a string
[0-9a-z] to match any character from a-z or 0-9
[a-z]{2,11} to match any character from a-z  but the length range must between 2 to 11
$ is the end of the string

but I'm confused with <$document,match-case>, especially at the end of a string.
That's something related to Python, but I don't get what's it's supposed to match. I mean obviously a document, but how you can "match case" a document in a url opened in a browser (or a list)?

Not even sure if I'm clear

[mocacinno]

Looking to track a new way scammers are exploring

Does anyone know what the following syntax means exactly

Code:

/^https?:\/\/[0-9a-z]*\.?[-0-9a-z]{4,}\.[a-z]{2,11}\/(?:[0-9a-z]{6,8}\/)?\/?\?u=[0-9a-z]{7}&o=[0-9a-z]{7}/$document,match-case

^ is the start of a string
[0-9a-z] to match any character from a-z or 0-9
[a-z]{2,11} to match any character from a-z  but the length range must between 2 to 11
$ is the end of the string

but I'm confused with <$document,match-case>, especially at the end of a string.
That's something related to Python, but I don't get what's it's supposed to match. I mean obviously a document, but how you can "match case" a document in a url opened in a browser (or a list)?

Not even sure if I'm clear

I've worked with regex'es quite often, but i've never seen document,match-case at the end of a regex tbh... I'm wondering if `$document,match-case` is something that has been copied from somewhere else???

How i would read this regex:
/ => delimiter
^ => starts with
http => the literal string `http`
s? => zero or one `s` (so the regex will work for http:// and https://
:\/\/ => the literal string `://`
[0-9a-z]* => 0 to unlimited lowercase alphanumeric characters
\.? => zero or one dot
[-0-9a-z]{4,} => at least 4 alphanumeric lowercase characters OR dashes
\. => the literal string `.`
[a-z]{2,11} => between 2 and 11 lowercase letters
\/ => the literal string `/`
(?: => optional non capturing matchgroup start
[0-9a-z]{6,8} => between 6 and 8 lowercase alphanumeric characters
\/ => the literal string `/`
)? => optional match group end
\/? => the literal string `/` or nothing (``)
\?u= => the literal string `?u=`
[0-9a-z]{7} => exactly 7 lowercase alphanumeric characters
&o= => the literal string `&o=`
[0-9a-z]{7} => exactly 7 lowercase alphanumeric characters
/ => delimiter


$document,match-case => a piece of code, text,... that was accidentally pasted after the regex... Sure, $ demarks the end of the string, but it belongs inside the delimiter not outside

An interesting online free no-signup tool i use quite often when decypering (or creating) complex regexes is https://regex101.com/...

So, if you leave out $document,match-case, the regex would match things like

Code:

http://soijsdf545.0sjkhlzef5.sfze/slidsjz/?u=1234567&o=1234567
https://lsiflz-sltlxis.cn/?u=1234567&o=1234567

[FatFork]

but I'm confused with <$document,match-case>, especially at the end of a string.
That's something related to Python, but I don't get what's it's supposed to match. I mean obviously a document, but how you can "match case" a document in a url opened in a browser (or a list)?

Not even sure if I'm clear

The <$document,match-case> part at the end is not standard syntax for regular expressions in Python. It could be specific to a certain scripting context or library that the script is using. The "match-case" might indicate that the match should be case-sensitive. Do you have the complete source script from which that line was extracted?

[LeGaulois]

Thanks both

I could post a few links but your security could be at risk.

But let's use another way.
I found a similar thing at chrome-extension://cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm/asset-viewer.html?url=ublock-badware

what about for example

$doc
$doc,match-case,domain=
$doc,domain=biz

$doc and $document could be the same thing?

[FatFork]

I found a similar thing at chrome-extension://cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm/asset-viewer.html?url=ublock-badware

If it's from a browser extension, then the code is in JavaScript. When I see '$doc' or '$document', my mind goes to variables or objects since I'm more of a PHP guy.  

In JavaScript, when you see something like $doc or $document, it usually refers to an object that represents the web page's document. It's a common convention to use a dollar sign to indicate that it's related to the DOM (Document Object Model) in the context of browser scripting. But I'm not too familiar with JavaScript syntax myself, so maybe someone else can explain better.

pinging @TryNinja


PS: Take a look at this. [banned mixer] seems to have changed their onion address a few months ago, so it would be a good idea to update the url in the first post. The new Tor url is: http://[banned mixer]/

[ZeeshanTrade]

I think that the best way to mix an altcoin is to do atomic swap with XMR.

Can you tell the exact link where we can do this atomic swap with XMR ?

[Charles-Tim]

Can you tell the exact link where we can do this atomic swap with XMR ?

If it is bitcoin that want want to mix with monero, according to the thread that you created about it, I will still advice you to use Mixero if you can pay the fee of 1.9%.




By default, it would be coinjoin, you will have to click on advanced, to change it to advanced mixing which makes use of converting your bitcoin to monero and back to bitcoin.

/faqs]Our advanced mode uses a rare method of mixing in the world of cryptocurrencies, called swapping which involves exchanging funds from BTC to XMR and back to BTC. The process uses automatically generated wallets that are not linked to any exchange, making it extremely difficult to trace the transactions.

Alternatively, you can use a decentralized exchange like Bisq. On Bisq, there is ETH/BTC pair as well.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Can you tell the exact link where we can do this atomic swap with XMR ?

I was having the impression it was possible to do it, beyond with bitcoin. But as far as my search engine goes, it isn't. You'll have to find an intermediary to do the ALT <-> XMR swap, such as FixedFloat. There may be decentralized exchanges, but I doubt it'll be cheaper, as there's very little volume for altcoins.

By default, it would be coinjoin

That's actually smart, because the bitcoin outputs signal it is a mixer, and that's good because anyone tracing your coins can be certain that they've changed hands. The smart part is that not even the mixer knows where they are.

Alternatively, you can use a decentralized exchange like Bisq. On Bisq, there is ETH/BTC pair as well.

Yes, but ETH has very little volume, let alone other altcoins.

[FatFork]

LeGaulois, it appears Blindmixer bit the dust! Their domain seems to have expired, so you should remove it from the list, at least for the time being.

This domain has expired. Is this your domain?
Renew Now!

archived

[LeGaulois]

⭐Name: Mixer1.money
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixer1.money

Humm...

The website is now redirecting to https://[banned mixer]/

And [banned mixer] was an old mixer (a topic can be found at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1725308.0)
The whois hasn't changed since
Registered On2021-12-20
Updated On2023-02-03

Mixer1.money=[banned mixer].
I see no problem with it since "I trust" who asked me to list mixer1.money, but I wonder what's the idea behind

@FatFork
I removed blindmixer.com
TYVM

[Bitcoin_Arena]

And [banned mixer] was an old mixer (a topic can be found at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1725308.0)
The whois hasn't changed since
Registered On2021-12-20
Updated On2023-02-03

I wonder how this is possible yet the Wayback Machine archive shows that the domain existed way before 2021 - https://web.archive.org/web/20170921025750/https://[banned mixer]/
I always had a perception that once a domain name is registered, sites like whois only recognize the first date it was registered.

And now what we see is the 2 domains were registered in 2021, one in September, the other in December. Could it mean the old mixer collapsed and someone new bought off both domains?

The old mixer also said this on their site "bitcoin mixer 2.0"

[icopress]

Could it mean the old mixer collapsed and someone new bought off both domains?

As far as I know, it now belongs to Jambler.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

⭐Name: Thormixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.[banned mixer]/
🔹Tor link: amwnnncglaw27kfomeiszq4eltwkktnkdzjg6kbtjwb2w3zgysatjead.onion

Thormixer, they announced that they have a new onion address about a week ago

New Tor mirror: http://[banned mixer]

However, both onion sites are not found at the moment. The clearnet is also pretty messed up. I am being blocked, it could be happening to many other people.

[LeGaulois]

- Blindmixer.com is back, so I will add it again to the list. (look like they renewed the domain name)

- [banned mixer] is avalaible to me, on both clearnet and darkweb. I updated the onion URL because they changed it about a week ago (see here)
thanks @Bitcoin_Arena

- Mixer1.money: I changed the name to [banned mixer] and the link because
1) the domain redirection (as I posted above)
2) their provider does it too on their list

[Bitcoin_Arena]

- Blindmixer.com is back, so I will add it again to the list. (look like they renewed the domain name)

It looks like they just decided to shut down their service according to this announcement. Maybe the renewal was to let clients access the site and be able to make withdrawals.

Dear all, the current maintainers of blindmixer have decided to no longer continue.

Please withdraw your money from the current custodian before October 1 2023.

If you have issues, do not email, post them here.

Kind regards,

The deadline seems very narrow for a service where clients won't be able to get notifications about the shutdown via any channel, let say an email address.

[LeGaulois]

A new mixer is here

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  from 1% to 5% + 0.0005 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

Interesting, something that's sadly now usual. A few hours after the service was introduced to the forum, the service started to get hit with a DDOS attack. A lot smaller attack compared to what some services got but still.
So now, if someone is launching a new mixer, he should be prepared to be DDOS'ed before coming to Bitcointalk

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A new mixer is here

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  from 1% to 5% + 0.0005 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: No

Interesting, something that's sadly now usual. A few hours after the service was introduced to the forum, the service started to get hit with a DDOS attack. A lot smaller attack compared to what some services got but still.
So now, if someone is launching a new mixer, he should be prepared to be DDOS'ed before coming to Bitcointalk

Judging by what was written from the official [banned mixer] forum account, it seems that it was just some kind of stress test. I hope that's all because as far as I can see, everything is working fine with them now.

First of all, I would like to say a big thank you for the stress test!

15836600 requests, it turns out we have competition... at first glance there wasn't any  

[LeGaulois]

I posted a wrong information, [banned mixer] is using DDoS-Guard.net, and since the begining. (shame on me)

Stress test doesn't really exist, if I can say. Attackers know the limits they can push. They're used to ddos websites since it's their business.
There isn't really any use to test a website when you know it is using DDoS-Guard.

(As I've already mentionned before), this tendancy to attack bitcoin mixers is now here since the closure of Chipmixer. I probably can say that all mixers created since then have been attacked (often from the day 1).
Not that DDOS & co didn't exist before but it used to be different. Mixers were bombed from time to time, but not like this, and not with new sites either.

The number of attacking IPs is low to me. [banned mixer] was bombed with over 100,000 IPs, and not only that.
Either the attacker is on a low budget or is a newbie in ddos'ing websites.

[DepingCD]

Which mixer is the most reliable and trusted now? If I had to mix large amount what would be the best choice?

[Charles-Tim]

Which mixer is the most reliable and trusted now? If I had to mix large amount what would be the best choice?

Go to the OP and choose the one that is (or the ones) that are best for you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

Advice:
You do not necessarily have to use a single mixer for mixing all your coins. You can divide the coin and use different mixers for it. Or divide it and use the same mixer to mix it one after the other.

[LeGaulois]

Which mixer is the most reliable and trusted now? If I had to mix large amount what would be the best choice?

The one advertised on my profile  

To give an answer, difficult to choose who's the best, it depends on your needs too. All I can say is [banned mixer], [banned mixer], [banned mixer], Coinnomize.biz are the oldest mixers around with tracking records. Of course, to be a new mixer doesn't mean to be a bad one. After all, every business starts from zero, every business deserves a chance.

For a large amount, I would probably use more than one mixer, but for sure I wouldn't send a large amount in 1 shot.

(note: you can get a free trial with [banned mixer] @ https://[banned mixer]/?mix=free)
(note: Don't trust blogs reviews, YT videos and so on)

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Which mixer is the most reliable and trusted now? If I had to mix large amount what would be the best choice?

If you ever decide to mix a larger amount, no matter which mixer you choose, I suggest you do it in several transactions. I am absolutely a supporter of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

The one advertised on my profile   

To give an answer, difficult to choose who's the best, it depends on your needs too. All I can say is [banned mixer], [banned mixer], [banned mixer], Coinnomize.biz are the oldest mixers around with tracking records. Of course, to be a new mixer doesn't mean to be a bad one. After all, every business starts from zero, every business deserves a chance.

When I was choosing the signature campaign, after checking most of the mixers, I chose Sinbad as the most reliable. I am still of that opinion, although certainly, the others currently active deserve respect for now.

[Charles-Tim]

When I was choosing the signature campaign, after checking most of the mixers, I chose Sinbad as the most reliable. I am still of that opinion, although certainly, the others currently active deserve respect for now.

Why choosing Sinbad as the most reliable that other do not have? Although, I do recommend Sinbad as well.

I will choose coinjoin mixers on noncustodial wallet as the most reliable. I mean those like Whirlpool on Sparrow and Samourai wallet or the Jointmarket if running your own node. I choose them because they are decentralized.

Although, if using the centralized mixer onion link on Tor browser, they are good too. One of the mixers that I have reviewed before even before I join their signature campaign is mixero. Mixero even has conversion from bitcoin to monero and back to bitcoin, or receiving bitcoin and sending mixed coin, depending on how the person that want to mix wants it.

But other mixers on LeGaulois (OP) posts are good. But the best advice is for anyone that wants to mix huge amount of bitcoin is not to send it at ones, but mix it one after the other. There is nothing bad to also use the process of using different mixers to explore which one will be the best for him that he will use next time.

[dkbit98]

Which mixer is the most reliable and trusted now? If I had to mix large amount what would be the best choice?

Decentralized options are safest option especially for larger amount of coins, something like original Coinjoin is good, or even better option is Joinmarket, but it's a bit more complicated to use.
You need to run your own bitcoin node, there is no central coordinator, no central point of failure, and everything is free.
Maybe you should start by researching jamapp.org website for modern Joinmarket interface.

[Charles-Tim]

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
Fees: from 0.2 to 2.4% + 0.0005 BTC + the network fees

The current Mixero fee which I have been seen since I joined their campaign is different.

The fee is 0.7% to 4.7% + 0.0003 BTC + the network fees

For advanced (monero bridge): 1.9%

I believe people that are using a mixer will be able to know that going for the lowest fee and delaying time is the best for privacy. Although not to be too delayed.

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0.2% can only go to those who were given a tumbler-code with a 50% discount, that is, the winners of various competitions that were held on this forum. For all, the minimum level is 0.4%.

Low fees, i.e. discounts up to 50%, not exclusively as a reward for forum users it is available to everyone under certain conditions. Additional discounts can be obtained depending on the total amount you mix through the service.

Here are the tables https://[banned mixer]/fee

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For 99.999% of mixer users, these commissions are not available, since such transactions are rare.

But there is still a possibility to get a discount on the basic 0.4%, so this information is correct.
Maybe LeGaulois can add some kind of footnote for such cases. Just enough for users to be informed that it is necessary to fulfil certain criteria for the lowest fee.

This reminds me of the ads on TV that show prices and then find out that in order to get that value, the buyer has to meet a lot of conditions.

I totally agree with you on this, I'm not a fan of "up to" offers.

[Charles-Tim]

But there is still a possibility to get a discount on the basic 0.4%, so this information is correct.
Maybe LeGaulois can add some kind of footnote for such cases. Just enough for users to be informed that it is necessary to fulfil certain criteria for the lowest fee.

If edited and replaced with something like 'first time fee' and below it, 'discount fee' will be good. It will be good because if someone uses the mixer for the first time, the person would be given tumbler code which he can use next time for mixing in a way he would be charged just the discount fee.

[LeGaulois]

LeGaulois, where did you get such data on the [banned mixer] mixer?

From my PM
But I have apparently misunderstood something

Since it's still possible to get a discount on the 0.4%, perhaps editing with:
🔹Fees: from 0.4% to 5% + 0.0002 BTC (Discount from 10% to 50% for returning customers)

is a more accurate description

Going to update it now
TYVM

[JohnBitCo]

LeGaulois, where did you get such data on the [banned mixer] mixer?

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Fees:  from 0.2% to 0.4% + 0.0002 BTC

There, the service commission ranges from 0.4% to 5%:



0.2% can only go to those who were given a tumbler-code with a 50% discount, that is, the winners of various competitions that were held on this forum. For all, the minimum level is 0.4%.

Does this only 0.4% fee makes the Tumblers, the most cheapest and yet most effective mixer that can be used by an average person ?

As i see the reviews in the review campaign were satisfactory.

[Charles-Tim]

Does this only 0.4% fee makes the Tumblers, the most cheapest and yet most effective mixer that can be used by an average person ?

As i see the reviews in the review campaign were satisfactory.

From the OP, the transaction fees are easily comparable, go there and compare the listed mixers.

I was one of the people that first review the site before some corrections were made, it is a good mixer. If you use the mixer ones, you will also get fee discount if you use your tumbler code the next time you want to make use of the mixer.

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LeGaulois, you can update the first post, sadly two of the cheaper mixers have decided to raise the fees for their services.
Sinbad.io and [banned mixer] have changes in the fixed fee per address. From the previous +0.0002 BTC, now it is +0.0003 BTC.

⭐Name: Sinbad.io
🔹Clearnet link: https://sinbad.io/en
🔹Tor link: [directing people to darknet sites is not allowed].onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: 0.5-2.5% + 0.0005  BTC
🔹Minimum amount:  0.0015 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: [banned mixer]
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: [banned mixer]
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.4% to 5% + 0.0002 BTC (Discount on fees from 10% to 50% for returning customers)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

[NotATether]

@LeGaulois

Sinbad.io is seized by authorities and also is banned from Bitcointalk, using it now will get you in big trouble with the feds, so you should remove it from the list for users' own safety.

[LeGaulois]

@LeGaulois
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Thanks, I didn't know the guy is banned. I was just aware yesterday the clearnet has been seized.
I will remove it from the list, but I see my original post has been edited somehow with
"🔹Tor link: [directing people to darknet sites is not allowed].onion"

and it doesn't come from me
Last edit: 18 november by LeGaulois
I couldn't guess the seizure

[NotATether]

@LeGaulois
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Thanks, I didn't know the guy is banned. I was just aware yesterday the clearnet has been seized.
I will remove it from the list, but I see my original post has been edited somehow with
"🔹Tor link: [directing people to darknet sites is not allowed].onion"

and it doesn't come from me
Last edit: 18 november by LeGaulois
I couldn't guess the seizure

That's because the onion link was filtered out by forum software since yesterday.

[LeGaulois]

(Sinbad removed from the list)

With the change that has been announced, I'm going to have to give up the topic I guess.
If it's OK to discuss mixers generally speaking, if we can't give links, directories, or "google 1234mixer.com", I don't see the purpose or how it can be done differently.


Unless the admin makes this difference (see his post)
- You don't directly post their URLs.

I will have to remove : clearnet/onion links and threads
Better than nothing.

If I post: ⭐Name: abcdef.io, people just have to open a new tab and type the name in the search bar.
If they're interested to get the onion link, then it's always displayed on the clearnet website.

It's similar to this case pointed to him

How about Scams Bitcoin Mixers List and Services closed:

Since that doesn't have any real links to mixers, it may be OK. Probably we'll leave it alone at the start and see how it looks after a few months.

It doesn't have any real links to mixers

"Probably we'll leave it alone at the start and see how it looks after a few months."

I don't notice how it can look differently after a few months

[foolazz22]

Does this only 0.4% fee makes the Tumblers, the most cheapest and yet most effective mixer that can be used by an average person ?
As i see the reviews in the review campaign were satisfactory.

The cheapest - no, one of the most effective - yes. I've seen cheaper mixers in terms of fees, but they don't have as much functionality as [banned mixer].

The cheapest commissions are from https://anonymix.io/:

Tried anonymix,io with small amount, not sure what min mixing amount is? Did not get any BTC, neither a letter of guarantee. Is it a scam?

Btw, no tumblers that accept BTC lightning payments? Or does that reverse the benefits.

[bct_ail]

With the change that has been announced, I'm going to have to give up the topic I guess.

As long as the new rules relating to Mixers are not yet clearly defined, I would wait and see how this thread is then to be organised.
-> DRAFT - NOT CURRENT POLICY

[foolazz22]

With the change that has been announced, I'm going to have to give up the topic I guess.

What new rules, regarding links, or the topic on tumblers??

[LeGaulois]

The minimum amount is supposed to be 0.001 BTC
They release your coins after the transaction has 1 confirmation.

What new rules, regarding links, or the topic on tumblers??

I'm talking about: mixers will no longer be allowed after Jan 1

[Xal0lex]

What new rules, regarding links, or the topic on tumblers??

The rules regarding mixers are not yet finalized, but are only being discussed. You can familiarize yourself with the discussion in this topic

Mixers to be banned

The only thing that has been decided is that any advertising of mixers will be forbidden on the forum, and users who will try to advertise any mixers will be banned.

EDIT

LeGaulois is slightly before me

[logfiles]

With the change that has been announced, I'm going to have to give up the topic I guess.
If it's OK to discuss mixers generally speaking, if we can't give links, directories, or "google 1234mixer.com", I don't see the purpose or how it can be done differently.

I suppose people will start creating websites or blogs with lists of Legit mixers and scam/closed mixers to help people keep track of them, like this one. I think reporting scam/phishing mixers in the scam accusation will also be something dangerous.
No one want to risk getting banned when their intentions were genuine.

[LeGaulois]

Relying on blogs is the last thing people should do to find a mixer. Especially from a random one.
You can think what about old blogs with reputation. I don't trust either. I've see it from my own eyes.

I know from a fact too that scammers runing a mixer own several blogs to push their website.

I've an idea in mind, it will be outside here but people interested in the mixer niche will find it alone

[JeromeTash]

Why are the most Mixer in the List "banned" but still listed?

Generally, advertising of Mixers was banned in the forum because the administrator thinks that sometime soon the law enforcement could come after him or even shutdown the forum. This does not necessarily mean that the mixers are scams. Atleast the reorganized ones are not

want to use Cryptom*x*r.io. Or which one can you currently recommend to me? And how long does it takes to mix for example if I choose 1,5 % by Cryptom*x*r.io?

I can't recommend to you anything as that will lead me to violating the current mixer ban rule but just use the available information to read through and get your self a suitable service.

Some threads worth looking into
1. [ANN] BitMixList.org - Bitcoin Mixer List
2. mixhub.to - a maintained list of mixers for backup and lookup purposes

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Why are the most Mixer in the List "banned" but still listed? Are these Scam? I want to use Cryptom*x*r.io. Or which one can you currently recommend to me? And how long does it takes to mix for example if I choose 1,5 % by Cryptom*x*r.io?

All discussions about mixers and their representatives were moved to another place. You can find it here Topic is similar to this one.
note: No one can advise you which service to use (not only in this case), you always need to do your own research.

[LeGaulois]

News services will be added

[_act_]

News services will be added

That will be a news regarding newly added features and recent changes to one or some of the mixers? Or what will the news be about?

I have another question. Why not change the topic name from 2023 to 2024 which is the year that we currently are. 2023 has passed. Or you do not want to do that because mixers are banned on this forum?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

LeGaulois there have been big changes in the mixer world in the past few weeks.

Puremixer decided to shut down — https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.msg63821211#msg63821211
There is word that Yomix is now scamming people. It is also said they Yomix is linked to sinbad and 4 other mixers — https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.msg63892572#msg63892572
Giving you a heads-up in case you haven't seen the info yet.

[LeGaulois]

I added new sites and updated the list with "launched on"
I have another service to add, I will do it later

[LeGaulois]

it's over for Samourai Wallet



https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/founders-and-ceo-cryptocurrency-mixing-service-arrested-and-charged-money-laundering