Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[jimmothy]

I was gonna try to get funds together to buy an S2..

seriously? out of the frying pan and into the fire, mate, do some more research first, please.

I had read they had a rough start, but they are a company with an actual track record. I have had zero issues with my s1's. At the time it would have been a preorder for them. Not quite sure what was that bad about them when they were first announced?

There is nothing wrong with bitmain. They have provided more hashrate than any other manufacturer.

[jimmothy]

BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

[heslo]

BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

To be honest I never really gave two shits about the hosted mining (40% is great and all, then you're left with your dick in your hands after 6 months) and would rather physical hardware or a discount on what I have already purchased. My missus has already (she mentioned it to me before I asked) said to just purchase an extra X1 to get the "free" X1 but I personally believe this as a bit of a slap in the face. I'm already out of pocket then I need to reach further down into my pockets to get together more cash in order to be compensated? Sorry BA, I want to work with you and I understand you too have a business to run but this is unacceptable. I hope that it will be explained/clarified further by you to remove this confusion.

Thanks

[jimmothy]

Hosting has it's benefits and drawbacks.

Because its impossible to ship half a prospero I assume it would be more viable for them to just give us the equivalent hosting.

Although we wont get to resell our compensation, we also wouldn't have to pay for electricity which would be nice considering currently 10% of our earnings would be spent on electricity.

[heslo]

Hosting has it's benefits and drawbacks.

Because its impossible to ship half a prospero I assume it would be more viable for them to just give us the equivalent hosting.

Although we wont get to resell our compensation, we also wouldn't have to pay for electricity which would be nice considering currently 10% of our earnings would be spent on electricity.

Agreed, hence why I'd prefer a discount on my already purchased miner, giving me a better chance of ROI, not costing anyone extra shipping/customs/etc and seeing it as a bit of a thank you. I'd probably be more inclined to purchase again too, although never a pre-order. The fact that I have to spend money to be compensated leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth TBH

[bobsag3]

BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.

[bobsag3]

Thank you very much Matt for taking care of your customers. I just wish you would import my order into your new site.

We are down to the last few, that have to be moved manually. ~90% done.

[heslo]

BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.

Thanks Matt, I do have to say on your end you've been MORE than reasonable. It's been hard for you too because you're essentially the meat in the sandwich getting screwed from both ends. I look forward to confirmation for those of us who purchased a single X1. I won't really complain about buying an additional PSU if this is the case.

[sorehammer]

BlackArrow, serious question.... I purchased only ONE X1, I have no desire to purchase another so where does that leave me in the scheme of things with the compensation plan? Do those who only purchased one unit receive a bit of a refund? Are we out of luck until we order more? It seems only those who spent more money are being rewarded however we all equally funded this endeavor. At the same time, this compensation plan is definitely a step in the right direction, I think if this was announced the first time around there would have been a lot less worry/cancellations of orders. Please keep me advised

+1

How will those of us with a single x1 be compensated? Not even the original 25% hosting?

I would be satisfied with 40% hosted hashrate but that's just me.

I'm really not looking to spend more money especially before you guys are shipping in stock hardware.

But if we do decide to place another order for an x1 in a month or two from minersource will we automatically be sent the free x1?

And will the free x1 be in addition to the "25% discount on all future orders "?

I believe all single x1 orders will get 2, but I will be checking.

I am also working on a separate compensation plan for my customers on top of anything BA is offering. Also, any questions about the current compensation, please give us till Tuesday so I can check everything.

It does say you will get a free x1 when you next order a x1 or even a x3 if you ordered a single unit.

[tempestb]

I understand the compensation, but how is this price matching at shipping time supposed to work for those who already paid?  Do we get some kind of refund?  Does that money apply towards what we're paying for the PSU and shipping of our bonus unit?  Is it just nothing?  How does that fit into the picture?

[bittymymitty]

So there is no mention of a ship date for X1 and now BA wants customers to send more money to cover shipping on the 50% compensation?!?  That shipping cost should be covered by BA, very bad form to make people pay even more to be compensated for your delays.

[oldcrow]

  If any additional cash outlay is required for "compensation," it is not compensation at all.  It is a suggestive sale.
It is the same as the very common suggestive sale "buy 2, get 1 free."  Proper compensation is when additional
hardware/hosting/etc. is provided gratis with no extra costs involved with respect to the customer.

[Dallas5]

50% compensation in hardware isn't bad, only downside is you actually have to spend more money (shipping+power supply) to receive the compensation. Still I think it's better then the previous compensation.

Now, what will I receive first:

• My money back in dollars?
• My money back in btc?
• My prospero X1's?

[sorehammer]

All I want is a confirmed date on batch2 x1's please is that so damn hard to do.

[TheMinex]

Customers who have not purchased an even numbers of X1s, will also receive a free X1 miner on their next purchase of a X1 miner.

Ordered only 1 X1 batch 1, so let me clear my view:

Ordered X1 because was the best compromise between low cost, low power & high efficienty.

BA is in late (for me risk to have a worst delay than BFL ) with his promeses and we don't know exactly power draws and effecienty at the wall. Cause of this you ask us to spend more money to have a compensation.
I know BA is now in a really hard phase, but when I read new compensation plan it was ISTANTANLEY CLEAR to me that those condition are really bad in my situation:

- have to spend more money (new order (which price first even batchers spend 290$ instead actual 373$ ?? ), maybe addictional power supply & shipping, AND NEW assurance for bank transfer to be sure you got my exactly money.
- maybe there was a why that i purchase only one X1 and BA is forceing this decision ( not to mention that power draw and efficienty at the time was well lower than actual not yet confirmed )
- i don't wanna handle to resell your surplus hardware

What I expect BA do:
A compensation plan without spend more money, or BTC equivalent refound.

What I'll do if that condition is not matched:
not follow your actual compensation plan & not support anymore BA. I ordered the X1 with money I well know I could loose, so plans that force to spend more money for me is just ridicolous in the reality that after so many time we don't know when & what we get

[bobsag3]

Update:
I will have enough PSUs for every single extra comp unit, and I will have those for sale in time for shipment. More details coming.

[sorehammer]

Update:
I will have enough PSUs for every single extra comp unit, and I will have those for sale in time for shipment. More details coming.

Are you going to be handling the 25% bobsag3 or will we have to go to BA.

[bobsag3]

Update:
I will have enough PSUs for every single extra comp unit, and I will have those for sale in time for shipment. More details coming.

Are you going to be handling the 25% bobsag3 or will we have to go to BA.

I will be handling the 25%, waiting for final confirmation on when I can start offering it and some other small details.

[sorehammer]

cheers Bobsag3

[jimmothy]

Update:
I will have enough PSUs for every single extra comp unit, and I will have those for sale in time for shipment. More details coming.

Are you going to be handling the 25% bobsag3 or will we have to go to BA.

I will be handling the 25%, waiting for final confirmation on when I can start offering it and some other small details.

Any update on the single x1 order compensation?