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February 16, 2014, 11:52:17 AM |
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Just got this email response. R17 spreadsheet has been given to bobsag3 so any refund requests can be completed, the machine they purchased shares in was delivered prior. R17 is a high hashrate per share and a longer delivery date. Okay great so how come he gets to see this spread sheet, but none of us are, please print this information so that we can see which machine we have paid for, I have asked for this many times now. It would seem that there is no actual order details you are willing to share beyond the lie that the hardware is a Febuary ship date. As far as you have told me, my BTC has "paid for hardware" if so which hardware, where and when? For all I know, it has shipped and is being mined, while you decide how to divide up the shares at your leisure. Please refund my BTC asap, others have claimed refunds, and you should offer this to me, as I have repeatedly been fobbed off by your team. |
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February 16, 2014, 12:02:59 PM |
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You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. sorry but will you be so kind to explain to me how this relates to the fact that some people requested a refund on 11th and get it while some requested on 7th and not get it? looking fwd to see your logical explanation to this question thomas get well soon |
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February 16, 2014, 04:19:58 PM |
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You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. sorry but will you be so kind to explain to me how this relates to the fact that some people requested a refund on 11th and get it while some requested on 7th and not get it? looking fwd to see your logical explanation to this question thomas get well soon Refunds didn't officially start until Tuesday February 11th, and could be completed for up to a week and a half after it was requested. Missing a piece of information or submitting your request too early could be the problem. Don't worry tho you'll get your refund, the logic behind the refunds is different from what you expect. |
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February 16, 2014, 10:42:28 PM |
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You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. What tom is trying to say, but may have been lost in translation due to the hookah being passed around, is that this is how a reseller entity operates: a --> b --> c, with the investomer being a, the reseller being b, and Black Arrow being c. Motherfuckin' genius, if you ask me, especially the part where c can't me sued by a if c fails to deliver. I'm pretty sure if I smoked that shit, I would be able to go head-to-head with Q. |
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February 16, 2014, 11:33:31 PM |
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I want to make sure I fully understand BA's price protection policy before I make my decision about whether to request a refund.
Their X-3 order page says this:
"All pre-orders are guaranteed to be protected against any price decrease. If at any time, during the pre-order period, we drop the price under what you have already paid, you will be compensated by receiving more X-3 mining machines.
Example: If you have purchased an X-3 with 25% discount and we offer later 40% discount, your order will be recalculated at 40% discount and you will receive more X-3. Then, if we offer later only 10% discount you will still get order as if you've ordered at 40% discount."
I'd like know:
1) Is their so-called "pre-order period" defined as any time before the unit actually ships?
2) How much did DZMC pay BA per X-3 ordered?
3) Using a hypothetical example, if DZMC paid $6000 per unit at the time of original order and if BA is selling the units for, say, $3000 when they ship (presumably) in May, do we then get 80GHS per share instead of 40GHS per share? And if they're selling for $2000, then we get 120GHS per share, and so on?
It would seem to me at face value that their delay will inevitably force them to drop USD prices (unless price of BTC itself shoots up dramatically), and that would result in significantly greater hash power for us for the same original cost, thereby mitigating much of the damage caused by the delay. Is my understanding incorrect?
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howardb
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February 17, 2014, 04:39:58 AM |
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I want to make sure I fully understand BA's price protection policy before I make my decision about whether to request a refund.
Their X-3 order page says this:
"All pre-orders are guaranteed to be protected against any price decrease. If at any time, during the pre-order period, we drop the price under what you have already paid, you will be compensated by receiving more X-3 mining machines.
Example: If you have purchased an X-3 with 25% discount and we offer later 40% discount, your order will be recalculated at 40% discount and you will receive more X-3. Then, if we offer later only 10% discount you will still get order as if you've ordered at 40% discount."
I'd like know:
1) Is their so-called "pre-order period" defined as any time before the unit actually ships?
2) How much did DZMC pay BA per X-3 ordered?
3) Using a hypothetical example, if DZMC paid $6000 per unit at the time of original order and if BA is selling the units for, say, $3000 when they ship (presumably) in May, do we then get 80GHS per share instead of 40GHS per share? And if they're selling for $2000, then we get 120GHS per share, and so on?
It would seem to me at face value that their delay will inevitably force them to drop USD prices (unless price of BTC itself shoots up dramatically), and that would result in significantly greater hash power for us for the same original cost, thereby mitigating much of the damage caused by the delay. Is my understanding incorrect?
Thats my understanding also, but i've never been able to get a response from DZ on the issue. |
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philipma1957
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February 17, 2014, 05:45:26 AM |
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I want to make sure I fully understand BA's price protection policy before I make my decision about whether to request a refund.
Their X-3 order page says this:
"All pre-orders are guaranteed to be protected against any price decrease. If at any time, during the pre-order period, we drop the price under what you have already paid, you will be compensated by receiving more X-3 mining machines.
Example: If you have purchased an X-3 with 25% discount and we offer later 40% discount, your order will be recalculated at 40% discount and you will receive more X-3. Then, if we offer later only 10% discount you will still get order as if you've ordered at 40% discount."
I'd like know:
1) Is their so-called "pre-order period" defined as any time before the unit actually ships?
2) How much did DZMC pay BA per X-3 ordered?
3) Using a hypothetical example, if DZMC paid $6000 per unit at the time of original order and if BA is selling the units for, say, $3000 when they ship (presumably) in May, do we then get 80GHS per share instead of 40GHS per share? And if they're selling for $2000, then we get 120GHS per share, and so on?
It would seem to me at face value that their delay will inevitably force them to drop USD prices (unless price of BTC itself shoots up dramatically), and that would result in significantly greater hash power for us for the same original cost, thereby mitigating much of the damage caused by the delay. Is my understanding incorrect?
This is why I only asked for 7 of my 12 shares to be refunded. If that happens my 5 shares could be as much hash as 300 or 400 gh |
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Sinewayv
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February 17, 2014, 07:33:22 AM |
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I want to make sure I fully understand BA's price protection policy before I make my decision about whether to request a refund.
Their X-3 order page says this:
"All pre-orders are guaranteed to be protected against any price decrease. If at any time, during the pre-order period, we drop the price under what you have already paid, you will be compensated by receiving more X-3 mining machines.
Example: If you have purchased an X-3 with 25% discount and we offer later 40% discount, your order will be recalculated at 40% discount and you will receive more X-3. Then, if we offer later only 10% discount you will still get order as if you've ordered at 40% discount."
I'd like know:
1) Is their so-called "pre-order period" defined as any time before the unit actually ships?
2) How much did DZMC pay BA per X-3 ordered?
3) Using a hypothetical example, if DZMC paid $6000 per unit at the time of original order and if BA is selling the units for, say, $3000 when they ship (presumably) in May, do we then get 80GHS per share instead of 40GHS per share? And if they're selling for $2000, then we get 120GHS per share, and so on?
It would seem to me at face value that their delay will inevitably force them to drop USD prices (unless price of BTC itself shoots up dramatically), and that would result in significantly greater hash power for us for the same original cost, thereby mitigating much of the damage caused by the delay. Is my understanding incorrect?
This is why I only asked for 7 of my 12 shares to be refunded. If that happens my 5 shares could be as much hash as 300 or 400 gh If i had any response from DZC on what was poing on, I too would keep a share perhaps, shame is that the communication and info is not forthcoming. |
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howardb
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February 17, 2014, 10:19:38 AM |
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Quick question on refunds. Are you refunding the $ value or BTC transmitted value?
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Leoto
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February 17, 2014, 05:50:55 PM |
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Quick question on refunds. Are you refunding the $ value or BTC transmitted value?
I asked the same thing earlier in the thread and DZ replied that they refund the BTC amount that was originally transmitted minus 1.5% |
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pdawg
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February 18, 2014, 04:25:01 AM |
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Hey bobsag, just wondering if you could update me on my eta on the 100 share refund. You said about 3 days 5 days ago or so. I not it's a manual process but if you can just give me an update I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
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madao
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February 18, 2014, 06:54:42 AM |
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Formally requesting a refund for order #1386, 5 shares.
Please refund to 1CqF7dQZ5d5JJMbcbKGVk6exUgXdgxCuo3
Notification to bobsag3 by PM has also been sent.
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UNOE
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February 18, 2014, 07:42:51 AM |
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Asking for Refund for Order Number #667
PM'ed bobsag3 also.
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February 18, 2014, 10:06:58 AM |
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Sadly also requested refund via PM of order #1234 for 12 shares to 1B38X8kxy35h8zyKowNTjQWABF1bTUvqpU.
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crocko
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February 18, 2014, 01:51:21 PM |
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Hello !
I would like a refund for my 6 x R17 shares to this address: 1DBdYPimhRSi5YWGJSbCcnp6XtKSMpKJeZ
I have purchased 5x R17 shares from madpoet and 1x R17 share from Lloydie.
PM sent too.
UPDATE:
order # 1103: 1 share
order #670: 5 shares
Hello ! I asked for refund 1 week ago, still no reaction.................. |
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February 18, 2014, 02:17:54 PM |
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it is funny how this thread feels like a ghost town...
0 communication from DZMC.
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thomas_s (OP)
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February 18, 2014, 03:20:58 PM |
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it is funny how this thread feels like a ghost town...
0 communication from DZMC.
I actually posted twice two days ago with how long a refund can take as well as bobsag3 posted that same day. You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. sorry but will you be so kind to explain to me how this relates to the fact that some people requested a refund on 11th and get it while some requested on 7th and not get it? looking fwd to see your logical explanation to this question thomas get well soon Don't worry tho you'll get your refund, the logic behind the refunds is different from what you expect. |
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Sinewayv
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February 18, 2014, 04:38:48 PM |
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I actually posted twice two days ago with how long a refund can take as well as bobsag3 posted that same day.
Okay, so if I requested a refund on the 16th Feb, my ETA for refund is...? I requested 7 share refund, from order #1299 via PM and post on thread. Still waiting for reply after 2 days. Thank you. |
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uozer
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February 18, 2014, 04:43:30 PM |
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it is funny how this thread feels like a ghost town...
0 communication from DZMC.
I actually posted twice two days ago with how long a refund can take as well as bobsag3 posted that same day. You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. sorry but will you be so kind to explain to me how this relates to the fact that some people requested a refund on 11th and get it while some requested on 7th and not get it? looking fwd to see your logical explanation to this question thomas get well soon Don't worry tho you'll get your refund, the logic behind the refunds is different from what you expect. in that case do you mind sharing with us as well whatever that logic is? i also told you already that i send a request on 8th and 11th as well. so it can be "submitting request too early" since i sent again on 11th and cant be missing info. do you mind sharing the full excel? do you mind sharing any least bit of real info that is explanatory? sorry but i call bullshit on 'too early to submit', missing info, we already replied, we said this, we said that without a real answer. bobsag also replied, saying he will send in 2ish days (whatever the f.ck that means) and still no news. it is annoying, nothing else. |
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February 18, 2014, 04:44:59 PM |
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it is funny how this thread feels like a ghost town...
0 communication from DZMC.
I actually posted twice two days ago with how long a refund can take as well as bobsag3 posted that same day. You guys know my original post said week and a half till refunds started, I was able to get most of them early, but most will have to wait another 2ish days.
aha! ok now i get it. it is not about giving this attention or prioritizing it. i think he simply does not have the bitcoins. so for the mate who said "they didnt run off wih the money or anything", the story might have a twist. The units were paid for in order to get the funds for a refund we need to request on a per machine basis a refund and wait till the BTC is sent so it can be distributed. sorry but will you be so kind to explain to me how this relates to the fact that some people requested a refund on 11th and get it while some requested on 7th and not get it? looking fwd to see your logical explanation to this question thomas get well soon Don't worry tho you'll get your refund, the logic behind the refunds is different from what you expect. in any small bit of questioning you become defensive. cut the cr.p and explain to me how some people request refund on 7th, receive on 11th while all below people are still waiting? AME________________________Shares________________________date asked for___________________________ 1)tripppn ---------------------------3--------------------------------------------2/14 2)crackfoo--------------------------1--------------------------------------------2/13 3)floatyfish--------------------------1--------------------------------------------2/11 4)smooth----------------------------5---------------------------------------------2/7 5)BorisAlt---------------------------5---------------------------------------------2/8 6)uozer---------------------------- 3 ---------------------------------------------2/8 7)dbell------------------------------12--------------------------------------------2/10 8)TheBison-------------------------11--------------------------------------------2/10 9)Danleuthner ---------------------23--------------------------------------------2/10 10)chenchunyu88-------------------1--------------------------------------------2/14 11) Tragter--------------------------2--------------------------------------------2/12 |
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