[Closed]R17x: Black Arrow Prospero X-3 <DZMC Exclusive> $130 / 40GHS

[howardb]

To anyone else who was hoping for a refund. Despite the fact that the OP clearly states that refunds are available until the kit ships, nobody in DZ Coop is taking any responsibility for it whatsoever. Those that were in DZ but have now gone pro (very tongue in cheek) in minersource are stating that if we didn't ask for a refund before may 1st (random date) we cannot have one!! WELL THAT STINKS!!! Why would anyone EVER trust one of you guys again?

"Hello,
Refunds for R17 ended on May 1st. A refund may be possible after Black Arrow ships if there are enough requests from R17 to refund a full unit, however at this time it cannot be completed.
Thanks,
Madelaine Seele
Customer Service
support@minersource.net
1-844-646-3777"

[philipma1957]

yeah I guess I should have cashed in all 12 shares back in feb.  I cashed in  7 and kept 5  as a show of support to thomas bob and dz.

Win some lose some.  maybe july they will start to hash.

I do fell a lot of sympathy to anyone that had a lot invested in round 17 and had never had a good round earlier.


 I was lucky to hit 5,6, 9-12  all fiat winners.

I lost on r1 and now it looks like a loss on round 17

5 of 12 shares.

[howardb]

yeah I guess I should have cashed in all 12 shares back in feb.  I cashed in  7 and kept 5  as a show of support to thomas bob and dz.

Win some lose some.  maybe july they will start to hash.

I do fell a lot of sympathy to anyone that had a lot invested in round 17 and had never had a good round earlier.


 I was lucky to hit 5,6, 9-12  all fiat winners.

I lost on r1 and now it looks like a loss on round 17

5 of 12 shares.

Well before the guys in dz/minersource go slapping themselves on the backs over how much money they have made on the back of virtual shares on something that has not been delivered, they need to pay attention to this recent press release and it's very real consequences for them:  http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/secretary-state-halts-springfield-bitcoin-business/9871263/

[daibasen]

Got this message yesterday:

Hello,

Refunds for R17 ended on May 1st. A refund may be possible after Black Arrow ships if there are enough requests from R17 to refund a full unit, however at this time it cannot be completed.

Thanks,
Madelaine Seele
Customer Service
support@minersource.net

[ramonoakz]

So, I lost my money? I need to ask through justice?

[ramonoakz]

Can everybody who want a refund send me a private message please. Let's do something about.

[Epicurean]

I don't like this silence... so the 660$ or 0.6 BTC i've paid for 6 shares is just gone??? nothing I can do?
And no refunds even though nothing is even close to hashing yet let alone being delivered?
This smells like fuckery... not sure yet on who's side but I don't like this.
Can we have some answers please? It can't be that mysterious and vague...

[howardb]

I don't like this silence... so the 660$ or 0.6 BTC i've paid for 6 shares is just gone??? nothing I can do?
And no refunds even though nothing is even close to hashing yet let alone being delivered?
This smells like fuckery... not sure yet on who's side but I don't like this.
Can we have some answers please? It can't be that mysterious and vague...

It's not silence, you have seen the emails above, they have basically put the middle finger up and said they cant be bothered anymore.

[Ramhound]

So what happens when Black Arrow still has not shipped in 6 months?

Will we get our refund at that point?

[ramonoakz]

So what happens when Black Arrow still has not shipped in 6 months?

Will we get our refund at that point?

@Ramhound

This happens:

Hello,

Refunds for R17 ended on May 1st. A refund may be possible after Black Arrow ships if there are enough requests from R17 to refund a full unit, however at this time it cannot be completed.

Thanks,
Madelaine Seele
Customer Service
support@minersource.net

[howardb]

They may ignore us but you can at least make it hard for them to repeat what they have done by using the negative trust feature for DyslexicZombei thomas_s and bobsag3.

[ramonoakz]

We can post this problem in all others threads of them too.

[lajz99]

They may ignore us but you can at least make it hard for them to repeat what they have done by using the negative trust feature for DyslexicZombei thomas_s and bobsag3.

I'm not surprised to see any of these 3 tied up in this mess...  Just put a new warning thread out there so more people are aware.

[steamon]

Can you guys calm down a little? This is a group buy organisation. They have giving out mouths off refunds they have to put a line else the hole group buy can't exist. It might went a little amateur this is not the newegg or alternate around your corner so by happy that they still did any refunds.

Update:

Prospero X3

Control Board / Raspberry Pi

We decided to try to use 10 x Raspberry Pi per X3 as a quick fix to be used temporarily. Initial results are encouraging (hashing performed). The test board will arrive tomorrow. If this quick fix will prove satisfactory, we will consider shipping X3 Prospero (RPi) solution on temporary basis until the control board will perform as per original design.

X3 Backplane, X3 Hashboard PCB

1.The only problem that we have with X3 can be explained very simple: any hashboard (2 ASICs) will work (240Ghash) in any socket of the backplane but they will not work if we plug more than 2 hashboards in into the same backplane.

Investigations took us 2 weeks working 16-18 hours/day as we went through everything from debugging the power supply to debugging the cgminer code and reviewing the ASIC code.

We now strongly believe that the problem is due to noise on the 3.3V line which is currently shared between all hashboards. Unfortunately the 3.3V line is inside the backplane (layer 2) and inside the hashboard (layer 3) and we cannot separate them in order to get the current backplane working.

We have now almost finished a new design of the backplane which includes all the technical solutions solving the SPI noise and we aim to send it to PCB Factory on Monday. We already have the hashboards manufactured and if the new backplane works as expected we will be able to ship very soon.

2.One of our partners, which is specialised in ASIC manufacturing, has completed brand new versions of X3 Backplane and X3 Hashboard. They are currently running simulations and will send the PCB to manufacturing on Monday.

3.Three other companies have started to redesign other boards for us but their progress is not as advanced as our own. We will be taping out their design when ready and if it performs better we will use it in the next versions.

 
Notes

We received queries and suggestions regarding compensation packages. We will address the compensation issues as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners. We recognise the importance of this topic and our management team will address it accordingly.

Few months ago we announced that we have a surprise in store for our customers. We will disclose the full details as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners.

There are no Prospero miners X1 or X3 which are hashing on any of our facilities.

Source: http://minersource.net/blogs/news

We should already by hashing yes and will happen soon since they are working on a solution using raspberry pis are king since I also got 1 personaly. If we start hashing within 3 weeks you will make more then 100% profit when you got around 20 shares. They have given plenty off chances to step out. Now calm down. Its a investment. No investment is ever 100% sure thats how life is.

[howardb]

Can you guys calm down a little? This is a group buy organisation. They have giving out mouths off refunds they have to put a line else the hole group buy can't exist. It might went a little amateur this is not the newegg or alternate around your corner so by happy that they still did any refunds.

Update:

Prospero X3

Control Board / Raspberry Pi

We decided to try to use 10 x Raspberry Pi per X3 as a quick fix to be used temporarily. Initial results are encouraging (hashing performed). The test board will arrive tomorrow. If this quick fix will prove satisfactory, we will consider shipping X3 Prospero (RPi) solution on temporary basis until the control board will perform as per original design.

X3 Backplane, X3 Hashboard PCB

1.The only problem that we have with X3 can be explained very simple: any hashboard (2 ASICs) will work (240Ghash) in any socket of the backplane but they will not work if we plug more than 2 hashboards in into the same backplane.

Investigations took us 2 weeks working 16-18 hours/day as we went through everything from debugging the power supply to debugging the cgminer code and reviewing the ASIC code.

We now strongly believe that the problem is due to noise on the 3.3V line which is currently shared between all hashboards. Unfortunately the 3.3V line is inside the backplane (layer 2) and inside the hashboard (layer 3) and we cannot separate them in order to get the current backplane working.

We have now almost finished a new design of the backplane which includes all the technical solutions solving the SPI noise and we aim to send it to PCB Factory on Monday. We already have the hashboards manufactured and if the new backplane works as expected we will be able to ship very soon.

2.One of our partners, which is specialised in ASIC manufacturing, has completed brand new versions of X3 Backplane and X3 Hashboard. They are currently running simulations and will send the PCB to manufacturing on Monday.

3.Three other companies have started to redesign other boards for us but their progress is not as advanced as our own. We will be taping out their design when ready and if it performs better we will use it in the next versions.

 
Notes

We received queries and suggestions regarding compensation packages. We will address the compensation issues as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners. We recognise the importance of this topic and our management team will address it accordingly.

Few months ago we announced that we have a surprise in store for our customers. We will disclose the full details as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners.

There are no Prospero miners X1 or X3 which are hashing on any of our facilities.

Source: http://minersource.net/blogs/news

We should already by hashing yes and will happen soon since they are working on a solution using raspberry pis are king since I also got 1 personaly. If we start hashing within 3 weeks you will make more then 100% profit when you got around 20 shares. They have given plenty off chances to step out. Now calm down. Its a investment. No investment is ever 100% sure thats how life is.

Who the hell do you think you are to be telling us to calm down? we ARE mad, and with very good reason. Every aspect of this group buy has been a f*ck up from communication, to integrity of DZ people to the competance of BA. Right now I just want my bitcoin back, and am not prepared to accept any more bullshit updates from BA about how 'soon' it will all be. They clearly cannot design sh*t!

[philipma1957]

Can you guys calm down a little? This is a group buy organisation. They have giving out mouths off refunds they have to put a line else the hole group buy can't exist. It might went a little amateur this is not the newegg or alternate around your corner so by happy that they still did any refunds.

Update:

Prospero X3

Control Board / Raspberry Pi

We decided to try to use 10 x Raspberry Pi per X3 as a quick fix to be used temporarily. Initial results are encouraging (hashing performed). The test board will arrive tomorrow. If this quick fix will prove satisfactory, we will consider shipping X3 Prospero (RPi) solution on temporary basis until the control board will perform as per original design.

X3 Backplane, X3 Hashboard PCB

1.The only problem that we have with X3 can be explained very simple: any hashboard (2 ASICs) will work (240Ghash) in any socket of the backplane but they will not work if we plug more than 2 hashboards in into the same backplane.

Investigations took us 2 weeks working 16-18 hours/day as we went through everything from debugging the power supply to debugging the cgminer code and reviewing the ASIC code.

We now strongly believe that the problem is due to noise on the 3.3V line which is currently shared between all hashboards. Unfortunately the 3.3V line is inside the backplane (layer 2) and inside the hashboard (layer 3) and we cannot separate them in order to get the current backplane working.

We have now almost finished a new design of the backplane which includes all the technical solutions solving the SPI noise and we aim to send it to PCB Factory on Monday. We already have the hashboards manufactured and if the new backplane works as expected we will be able to ship very soon.

2.One of our partners, which is specialised in ASIC manufacturing, has completed brand new versions of X3 Backplane and X3 Hashboard. They are currently running simulations and will send the PCB to manufacturing on Monday.

3.Three other companies have started to redesign other boards for us but their progress is not as advanced as our own. We will be taping out their design when ready and if it performs better we will use it in the next versions.

 
Notes

We received queries and suggestions regarding compensation packages. We will address the compensation issues as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners. We recognise the importance of this topic and our management team will address it accordingly.

Few months ago we announced that we have a surprise in store for our customers. We will disclose the full details as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners.

There are no Prospero miners X1 or X3 which are hashing on any of our facilities.

Source: http://minersource.net/blogs/news

We should already by hashing yes and will happen soon since they are working on a solution using raspberry pis are king since I also got 1 personaly. If we start hashing within 3 weeks you will make more then 100% profit when you got around 20 shares. They have given plenty off chances to step out. Now calm down. Its a investment. No investment is ever 100% sure thats how life is.

Who the hell do you think you are to be telling us to calm down? we ARE mad, and with very good reason. Every aspect of this group buy has been a f*ck up from communication, to integrity of DZ people to the competance of BA. Right now I just want my bitcoin back, and am not prepared to accept any more bullshit updates from BA about how 'soon' it will all be. They clearly cannot design sh*t!

 how much are you out on this howard?  I am out 5 shares or 630 usd 4 shares at 130 each = 520 and 1 share at 110 usd total amount is 630.  I also lost about 150 usd on the 7 shares refunded  so maybe 780 and about 199 usd on round 1  so 979 grand total.

I would be bitterly complaining if it was all i had ever done with DZcoop  but I think I am 6k ahead maybe 7k ahead on rounds 5 6 9 10 11 12  plus the bailout on a dead ant miner s-1 lastly   a good deal on ant miner s-1 sticks.

Howard did any other deals with them work out or are you stuck on this with no other off sets.

If you are out 2k and had no winning deals being mad makes sense.   You are pissed at them and a little at yourself for not bailing right away.

I refunded 7 shares really fast got antminers with it.
I wish I got rid of the other 5  at the same  time. I hope they do some hashing .  fuck bfl returned  535 usd to me 13.5 months later pretty stunning.

[howardb]

Can you guys calm down a little? This is a group buy organisation. They have giving out mouths off refunds they have to put a line else the hole group buy can't exist. It might went a little amateur this is not the newegg or alternate around your corner so by happy that they still did any refunds.

Update:

Prospero X3

Control Board / Raspberry Pi

We decided to try to use 10 x Raspberry Pi per X3 as a quick fix to be used temporarily. Initial results are encouraging (hashing performed). The test board will arrive tomorrow. If this quick fix will prove satisfactory, we will consider shipping X3 Prospero (RPi) solution on temporary basis until the control board will perform as per original design.

X3 Backplane, X3 Hashboard PCB

1.The only problem that we have with X3 can be explained very simple: any hashboard (2 ASICs) will work (240Ghash) in any socket of the backplane but they will not work if we plug more than 2 hashboards in into the same backplane.

Investigations took us 2 weeks working 16-18 hours/day as we went through everything from debugging the power supply to debugging the cgminer code and reviewing the ASIC code.

We now strongly believe that the problem is due to noise on the 3.3V line which is currently shared between all hashboards. Unfortunately the 3.3V line is inside the backplane (layer 2) and inside the hashboard (layer 3) and we cannot separate them in order to get the current backplane working.

We have now almost finished a new design of the backplane which includes all the technical solutions solving the SPI noise and we aim to send it to PCB Factory on Monday. We already have the hashboards manufactured and if the new backplane works as expected we will be able to ship very soon.

2.One of our partners, which is specialised in ASIC manufacturing, has completed brand new versions of X3 Backplane and X3 Hashboard. They are currently running simulations and will send the PCB to manufacturing on Monday.

3.Three other companies have started to redesign other boards for us but their progress is not as advanced as our own. We will be taping out their design when ready and if it performs better we will use it in the next versions.

 
Notes

We received queries and suggestions regarding compensation packages. We will address the compensation issues as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners. We recognise the importance of this topic and our management team will address it accordingly.

Few months ago we announced that we have a surprise in store for our customers. We will disclose the full details as soon as we resume the shipping of the full spec Prospero X1 and Prospero X3 miners.

There are no Prospero miners X1 or X3 which are hashing on any of our facilities.

Source: http://minersource.net/blogs/news

We should already by hashing yes and will happen soon since they are working on a solution using raspberry pis are king since I also got 1 personaly. If we start hashing within 3 weeks you will make more then 100% profit when you got around 20 shares. They have given plenty off chances to step out. Now calm down. Its a investment. No investment is ever 100% sure thats how life is.

Who the hell do you think you are to be telling us to calm down? we ARE mad, and with very good reason. Every aspect of this group buy has been a f*ck up from communication, to integrity of DZ people to the competance of BA. Right now I just want my bitcoin back, and am not prepared to accept any more bullshit updates from BA about how 'soon' it will all be. They clearly cannot design sh*t!

 how much are you out on this howard?  I am out 5 shares or 630 usd 4 shares at 130 each = 520 and 1 share at 110 usd total amount is 630.  I also lost about 150 usd on the 7 shares refunded  so maybe 780 and about 199 usd on round 1  so 979 grand total.

I would be bitterly complaining if it was all i had ever done with DZcoop  but I think I am 6k ahead maybe 7k ahead on rounds 5 6 9 10 11 12  plus the bailout on a dead ant miner s-1 lastly   a good deal on ant miner s-1 sticks.

Howard did any other deals with them work out or are you stuck on this with no other off sets.

If you are out 2k and had no winning deals being mad makes sense.   You are pissed at them and a little at yourself for not bailing right away.

I refunded 7 shares really fast got antminers with it.
I wish I got rid of the other 5  at the same  time. I hope they do some hashing .  fuck bfl returned  535 usd to me 13.5 months later pretty stunning.

I'm out 14 shares (just under $2k), this was my first and last with DZ. And yes I am a little angry at myself, because if there is one thing I seem to have failed to learn properly in life is that if someone can let you down, they will.

[ruggedman_dan]

There is an inherent risk with anything related to pre-ordered mining equipment. The old saying goes "only invest what you can afford to lose."

With that being said, I am in the same boat as you guys. I waited on BA and now I am in too deep to be eligible for a refund. But I am okay with waiting because I KNOW that delays are not only a possibility with this type of thing, but almost a guarantee.

Anyway I am just hoping for the best at this point. For some odd reason I feel like everything will work out for those who stuck around.

[btc6000]

I'm out 14 shares (just under $2k), this was my first and last with DZ. And yes I am a little angry at myself, because if there is one thing I seem to have failed to learn properly in life is that if someone can let you down, they will.

Another satisfied DZ customer, I see.

Still waiting on my refund from months ago.

Absolute sham of a 'company'.

[philipma1957]

Any movement on this towards actual mining? I read some gear is being shipped on the black arrow thread.