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March 16, 2014, 02:23:32 PM
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my plan is never. deathodl.
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March 16, 2014, 02:24:06 PM
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its really starting to look like people loosing faith in nxt now rather then whales dumping... :/ and some of the conversations in here on top its sorta worrisome.. 
I just sold half my other cryptos at a bit of a loss and bought more NXT. I am not planning on selling any NXT for at least the next two years. By then I may be able to work full time on NXT or retire.

My time schedule is three years Smiley

My time schedule is 1 month after NXT AE is released!  That is ... schedule to retire.

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March 16, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
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my plan is never. deathodl.

Cheesy DEATHODL.
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March 16, 2014, 02:28:22 PM
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my plan is never. deathodl.

Cheesy DEATHODL.


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March 16, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
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Why can't I have no kids and three money?
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March 16, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
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how to set up a public node on VPS,I can find related instructions.anyone help me?
Thanks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4103726#msg4103726

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March 16, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
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I say again, WE ARE IGNORING THE CRYPTOCOIN 1.0 FOUNDATION OF NXT AND THIS IS A MISTAKE.  We should be systematically shaking the trees for vendors who will put NXT logos beside their "Bitcoin accepted here" logos (like I see Salsacz doing a few posts back!).  We should be working RELENTLESSLY on increasing TPS as a demo to the world.  IF we build 1000 TPS, they will come.

Sigh... NXT is simply not capable of this right now.. Someone who knows more - please correct me if I'm wrong.

We don't have Transactions-Per-Second, we have Transactions-Per-Block
We have a limit of 250 transactions per block
We have a block every 60 seconds

So no matter how many forging nodes we have we can only process this many transactions which is about 3 TPS with up to 60second latency i.e. up to a 60second delay from when you submitted your transaction to when it was processed, but if more than 250 transactions are broadcast since the last block then you wait for the next block and so on...

Currently if the incoming rate were 1000tps then we would get a 3 minute delay in transaction confirmation which increased every minute by 3 minutes...

Solutions - not sure - I can see some problems...

If the current block rate is maintained then you have a block capable of storing 60k transactions once per minute - problem is that if you were running at 10tps then you would store 600 transactions in a 60k transaction block - that's a waste.

If you increase the block rate to 5s per block, then you need 5000tps per block to do 1000 tps with a 5s latency, but again if we only have an incoming rate of 10tps then you store 50tps in a 5000tps block..

Ultimately the capacity you provide drives the 'bloat' of the block chain and if there are no transactions it still grows...

So I don't think you can fix this without a smarter architecture and / or a smarter block chain...

THIS KIND OF TPS IS NOT CRYPTO V1.0 - all of the current V1 Crapcoin copies don't solve this problem either.

Perhaps we need parallel block chains that run at a faster block time that enables blocks to be ready to process incoming transactions but these would still bloat. Unless they could be re-processed slow time to compress unfilled blocks into new full blocks.

The other way around the processing time is to have 'instant transactions' where the account has pre-committed a balance to future transactions - a kind of pre-pay - this has also been discussed.

You could look at a single block chain as a 3tps processing unit with a 60s latency, so if you could run multiple in parallel then you get 3,6,9,12 tps for example which is another possible solution, then if you could shift the chains out of sync so one forged at 00s, one at 10s, one at 20s - you could try to do it this way - I have no idea if that is possible but I know how to build parallel transaction processing and I've tried to translate the concept into this architecture.

Where people are talking about parallel blockchains and instant transactions they are often trying to deal with this problem - but this is not crypto 101...

I think this community has the people to come up with the solution in a way which is good and sustainable BUT it will take time.

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March 16, 2014, 02:53:15 PM
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does anyone know why mastercoin is going down? I thought there exchange is so nice and now live??  Wink
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March 16, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
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does anyone know why mastercoin is going down? I thought there exchange is so nice and now live??  Wink

I spoke with Mastercoin guys in Berlin.. They are surrendered. Even their master manager know Mastercoin sucks... But they know it so they need to wait for many months until there is a chance to get better
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March 16, 2014, 02:57:38 PM
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does anyone know why mastercoin is going down? I thought there exchange is so nice and now live??  Wink

I spoke with Mastercoin guys in Berlin.. They are surrendered. Even their master manager know Mastercoin sucks... But they know it so they need to wait for many months until there is a chance to get better

If they are surrendered! They should come develloped NXT  Grin

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March 16, 2014, 03:03:39 PM
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If they are surrendered! They should come develloped NXT  Grin

Well - let me "return" to this topic now (after a hiatus and a far bit of "work behind the scenes").

The problem with Mastercoin from *day 1* was the "promises of getting very rich" (stupid to do that) and also the complete "disregard" for using Bitcoin much like SD did and the misunderstanding that Bitcoin was really not the TCP/IP they were looking for (NXT arguably *is*).

It was for those reasons that I *did not* invest in Mastercoin but *did* eventually invest in Nxt (after the software was released).

In answer to the TPS (you should use TPM anyway) the 250 constant *is just that* (can be easily changed).

I think we can ramp up to at least 10 TPS right now (and therefore be faster than BTC). After TF is done I expect 100 TPS would not be a big problem - as for 1000 TPS that will probably take a lot longer (so marketing people shouldn't be *flogging* that as something that will be delivered in April - it won't).

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March 16, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
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If they are surrendered! They should come develloped NXT  Grin

Well - let me "return" to this topic now (after a hiatus and a far bit of "work behind the scenes").

The problem with Mastercoin from *day 1* was the "promises of getting very rich" (stupid to do that) and also the complete "disregard" for using Bitcoin much like SD did and the misunderstanding that Bitcoin was really not the TCP/IP they were looking for (NXT arguably *is*).

It was for those reasons that I *did not* invest in Mastercoin but *did* eventually invest in Nxt (after the software was released).

In answer to the TPS (you should use TPM anyway) the 250 constant *is just that* (can be easily changed).

I think we can ramp up to at least 10 TPS right now (and therefore be faster than BTC). After TF is done I expect 100 TPS would not be a big problem - as for 1000 TPS that will probably take a lot longer (so marketing people shouldn't be *flogging* that as something that will be delivered in April - it won't).


Right. What about switching to the binary thing? CfB?

And good to see you here!
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March 16, 2014, 03:20:30 PM
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If they are surrendered! They should come develloped NXT  Grin

Well - let me "return" to this topic now (after a hiatus and a far bit of "work behind the scenes").

The problem with Mastercoin from *day 1* was the "promises of getting very rich" (stupid to do that) and also the complete "disregard" for using Bitcoin much like SD did and the misunderstanding that Bitcoin was really not the TCP/IP they were looking for (NXT arguably *is*).

It was for those reasons that I *did not* invest in Mastercoin but *did* eventually invest in Nxt (after the software was released).

In answer to the TPS (you should use TPM anyway) the 250 constant *is just that* (can be easily changed).

I think we can ramp up to at least 10 TPS right now (and therefore be faster than BTC). After TF is done I expect 100 TPS would not be a big problem - as for 1000 TPS that will probably take a lot longer (so marketing people shouldn't be *flogging* that as something that will be delivered in April - it won't).


Welcome back. I'd like to send you a small tip for all your hard work and because you are one of the few (who can actually do something about it) that hasn't surrendered in defeat regarding the difficulties in getting faster TPS TPM in Nxt. What's your NXT address?

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March 16, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
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Welcome back. I'd like to send you a small tip for all your hard work and because you are one of the few (who can actually do something about it) that hasn't surrendered in defeat regarding the difficulties in getting faster TPS in Nxt. What's your NXT address?

Thanks for the offer - for now you can send BTC to the Nxt AT project on CIYAM Open (1NxtATuH7ny5pc8wzbz45LaTdbwvyCWcCe) or wait until I get NXT addresses added into CIYAM Open (any funds sent to the project will be used to get *relevant tasks* completed).

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March 16, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
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Welcome back. I'd like to send you a small tip for all your hard work and because you are one of the few (who can actually do something about it) that hasn't surrendered in defeat regarding the difficulties in getting faster TPS TPM in Nxt. What's your NXT address?

Thanks for the offer - for now you can send BTC to the Nxt AT project on CIYAM Open (1NxtATuH7ny5pc8wzbz45LaTdbwvyCWcCe) or wait until I get NXT addresses added into CIYAM Open.


Will have to wait. I keep all my BTC locked up and don't really traffic in it much. Let me know when you get a NXT address and I'll def send some your way. If NXT had baseball cards, I'd trade all my C-F-B's for one CIYAM OPEN.

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March 16, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
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BCnext will deliver the third part of the plan on April 3rd to CfB.

Things should be a bit more clear then.

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March 16, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
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BCnext will deliver the third part of the plan on April 3rd to CfB.

Things should be a bit more clear then.

Maybe - but I wouldn't "put too much stake" into that - we are our "own community" and will need to make "our own decisions".

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March 16, 2014, 03:31:19 PM
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BCnext will deliver the third part of the plan on April 3rd to CfB

I'm am really hoping the 3rd part of the plan from Dear Leader isn't just a piece of paper that says "SELL NOW, BUY EMUNIE".

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March 16, 2014, 03:32:12 PM
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Right. What about switching to the binary thing? CfB?

And good to see you here!

I'm going to switch to binary when we start using UDP.
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March 16, 2014, 03:33:15 PM
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I'm am really hoping the 3rd part of the plan from Dear Leader isn't just a piece of paper that says "SELL NOW, BUY EMUNIE".

Basically BCNext is "big brother" - the question that was constantly being considered in "Nineteen Eighty Four" was whether "big brother really exists"?

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