Economic Devastation

[rpietila]

Just to clear the strawman attempt concerning paramilitaries.

Of course "Russia" has paramilitaries in an area that is inhabited by Russians and has been part of Russia as long as New Mexico has been a part of (Spanish) Mexico*.

Now consider the war of occupying New Mexico: do you really believe there is no right for Mexicans who don't personally live in the attacked area to not help their relatives against aggression?

We are not talking about a minor conflict - Novorossiya is about 20% of all Russians. If 50 million of US population were under threat of slaughter, it would cause feelings in the relatives as well - hardly anyone can say that nobody he knows is affected.

Why is people fighting for their lives against a foreign unwarranted and unwanted aggression by an inferior culture, wrong? You could as well say you supported the Union!  

And even if Russia comes to aid with regular forces, that is just as bad as the United States using federal army to fend off intruders in the soil of some of its states. (Which btw was hotly debated in the Confederacy, contributing to their defeat).

If Armstrong is not even touching these basics in his blog posts, it just means that he thinks they are not suitable for the audience. Believing that he is ignorant of them is implausible, we were taught them in high school (special weekend camp in global strategy, with lecturers from global think tanks, military academy etc. - oh shit how the free & socialized education is baad...)


*And 80 years longer than it has been part of the U.S. subsequently.

**Wikipedia has a decent explanation of Novorossiya's older history.

***Nothing in this is aimed to discredit the Ukrainians' right to self-rule (Ukrainians live in the "western" part of Ukraine), but fact is that such has never existed in history, and does not exist now as the Kiev government is foreign puppet. Same as Estonia has had factual self-rule about 20 years in its history 1920-1939, never before nor after. Finland's self-rule has been about 1865-1985 using the same criteria and US about 1700-1913(1990s). All these peoples should have the right to self-rule, with human rights (of the non-collectivists) uninfringed.

[TPTB_need_war]

rpietila what strawman?

How does anything your wrote disprove a proxy war between the Superpowers of the world?

None of that refutes my observation that Europe is fucked. And that Europeans do not have the capacity to resist a foreign power or their own government without the assistance of another foreign power. My point is one about culture and circumstance.

And I can't say for sure if socialized education helped contribute to that culture and circumstance.

I am just stating that what appears to be a clusterfuck of circumstance, socialism, and preparedness.

It all sort of goes together. I don't know whose fault it is. My posts weren't assigning blame, rather just trying to analyze what will happen over the next 20 years.

I think the USA is also in trouble, but slightly better future than Europe because the people still have some capacity to fight these clusterfucks. I am not quite clear if the Americans fighting back won't end up to be as much of a clusterfuck as the situation over in Europe, but I tend to think that 200 - 400 million guns in 150 million hands with some millions of them hard core individualists will lead to a different outcome than we are seeing in Europe.

That is all my post was about and I seem to have hit some kind of nerve with you.

I am not into top-down control over people. I don't know if that is what angered you.

Or that I just don't agree that Europe and the USA are the same in terms of circumstance (geography, ethnic, etc), socialism, and preparedness and the impacts thereof.

[rpietila]

I am not into top-down control over people. I don't know if that is what angered you.

I am angered that you don't let yourself to be helped. That your perception of the quality of information sources is off so bad it hurts you. That you can't seem to appreciate that I know what I talk about when I say I do (this is a compliment, for towards 99% of people I give 0 fucks because it is evident they don't have a chance of understanding and that's all right I also don't do high jump). That (almost) nothing you have said here in the last months has added to my understanding, whereas in 2008 I owe you so much in building my basic knowledge of things. That you are wasting your precious time here. That you cannot design financial constructions to develop and monetize your ideas, and don't let anyone who can, do it, even for free and no strings attached. That I am constantly getting PM from people whom I know and appreciate (though not as well as I do you), and these people say that MS has made Anonymint "lose it" and they either propose me to "take action" (pushing a rope) or "forget about it" (I cannot forsake my friends).

[ridery99]

[sidhujag]

I am not into top-down control over people. I don't know if that is what angered you.

I am angered that you don't let yourself to be helped. That your perception of the quality of information sources is off so bad it hurts you. That you can't seem to appreciate that I know what I talk about when I say I do (this is a compliment, for towards 99% of people I give 0 fucks because it is evident they don't have a chance of understanding and that's all right I also don't do high jump). That (almost) nothing you have said here in the last months has added to my understanding, whereas in 2008 I owe you so much in building my basic knowledge of things. That you are wasting your precious time here. That you cannot design financial constructions to develop and monetize your ideas, and don't let anyone who can, do it, even for free and no strings attached. That I am constantly getting PM from people whom I know and appreciate (though not as well as I do you), and these people say that MS has made Anonymint "lose it" and they either propose me to "take action" (pushing a rope) or "forget about it" (I cannot forsake my friends).

I thought all of the information on the web was true? Ive been living a lie! Quality of information? Whats that?

[practicaldreamer]

But Europeans made that choice to swallow socialism whole.

What the fuck are you banging on about ?

[macsga]

I know this is old news, but @TPTB_need_war: PLEASE take the time to watch the video I'm attaching. At this moment, the ONLY one that has a voice of reason seems to be V. Putin and by no means I'm pro Russian. It's a 22m video which I advise everyone to watch; but in case you don't have the time (or the will), please take it fast to 18:00".

Make sure you understand FULLY what he says.

'Do you realise what you've done?' Putin addresses UNGA 2015 (FULL SPEECH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13yzl6k6w0

[TPTB_need_war]

I am not into top-down control over people. I don't know if that is what angered you.

I am angered that you don't let yourself to be helped. That your perception of the quality of information sources is off so bad it hurts you. That you can't seem to appreciate that I know what I talk about when I say I do (this is a compliment, for towards 99% of people I give 0 fucks because it is evident they don't have a chance of understanding and that's all right I also don't do high jump). That (almost) nothing you have said here in the last months has added to my understanding, whereas in 2008 I owe you so much in building my basic knowledge of things. That you are wasting your precious time here. That you cannot design financial constructions to develop and monetize your ideas, and don't let anyone who can, do it, even for free and no strings attached. That I am constantly getting PM from people whom I know and appreciate (though not as well as I do you), and these people say that MS has made Anonymint "lose it" and they either propose me to "take action" (pushing a rope) or "forget about it" (I cannot forsake my friends).

Rpietila it is very difficult for me to trust your appeal to authority when you've made egregious errors in these forums such as preaching over and over to newbies in your heavily self-moderated threads of yore that they must buy and HODL all the way from $1000 (or at least $700ish) down to $150. That has been such magnanimous advice that I should now bow at your feet. OTOH, you have been remarkably generous with me and very kind.

Rather I ask you for evidence and you give me none other than some other appeals to authority of those whom you've smoked cigars with.

I am really willing to be wrong and readily admit when someone PROVES it. But it also seems we aren't even talking about the same categories. You seem to be talking about for example military strategy and I am talking about the original point of yours which claimed that Europe has as many individualistic minded Patriots who will fight to their death for the right to be individualistically sovereign. Additionally my assertion that due to the situation over in Europe, the prognosis is much worse over there for the next 20 years. I asked anyone who can explain to me the wonderful opportunities in Europe over the next 20 years, then please do so.

So I am willing to listen, but when you move the goalposts to something which was not the original point of discussion that I entered or when you appeal to authority as evidence, or you give evidence points which I provide counter-evidence, then you get pissed off because you think I need to be helped just because I am not swayed by the lack of objective proof or strong evidence to counter my observations, then I guess it is really about control of me. Something I am doing makes you feel I need to be controlled. And of course that is precisely the top-down trait of Europeans that I hate, so if someone tries to top-down control me, then more I adamant I will become to resist control.

I can be swayed by rationality and objectivity, not by appeals to authority (unless perhaps I have very strong prior knowledge that you are such an expert and even then experts make mistakes so I will use my discernment).

You may well have a point about Europe that I could learn from. But so far I haven't seen a convincing argument from you. I have never stated the Europeans won't stand up to defend themselves. I stated that they are not able to effectively if they hadn't already stockpiled 3000 rounds of hollow point per shooter as rednecks from my birth place of the Old South have been doing. You talk about a war of attrition and occupation and that had nothing to do with my point. War of occupation is not a victory for either side. It destroys. That is very very far distinction from being locked and loaded and ready to go hot at a moment's notice and win the revolution.

Armstrong put up images of the Eastern Ukrainians fighting with wooden shields and chains as a whip. And another image of Russian paramilitary or military in Eastern Europe and Crimea. I happen to believe that the entire proxy war between Russia and USA/NATO is a planned charade by TPTB that control both countries' militaries and oligarchies (DEEP STATE). And what can those self-empowered Ukrainians do about this? Nothing.

I don't know what you've gone off the deep end on me. I had not refused your help on launching a coin. I was busy developing such technologies, one of which I am in deep discussion about over in the Altcoin Discussion forum right now. And due to apparently overeating omega 6 meat (Paleo diet) in June/July, I ended up in such bad condition that I needed to do a 10 day water only fasting in August which apparently made me worse (by further lowering my glutathione level) and sent me into an inflammatory tailspin in September which only normalized in the past days. During Aug & Sept almost no work got done. And so I immediately back on work. I can't ask you to help me capitalize a coin which is not yet developed.

I am sorry if by stereotyping Europe versus USA that offends some Europeans. I heard Europeans were always stereotyping us (or our military which is not US). Now you know what it feels like in return. But I didn't do it for personal vendetta. I am just noticing it in all my relations and observations with Europeans. Only the younger ones I know seem to be open to the concept that Europe is potentially royally fucked.

If you have some information to share with me that is independently verifiable, then I am always interested in information.

As others telling you to control me because they don't like my opinion that Armstrong isn't a criminal or what ever issue I stuck to adamantly, I can only guess what might be the true underlying subconscious and I don't want to guess.

This is a discussion thread. It means I can express my views and I can also state when I think someone has presented to me on topic (to my original point) and convincing datums or logic.

I tell you what. Let's just agree Europe and the USA are same. And then never mind. Who cares any way right. It is not important.

I have more important work to do. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next decade. Probably be like when I told you that Bitcoin was going lower from $700 and you thought I was myopic. Then when I was correct, instead of telling me so, you say I haven't been right about anything since 2008.

Perhaps what you are really trying to tell me is why can't I help or be helped in the area Crypto Kingdom since my skills are in the area of programming. And the answer is because my aspirations are much larger than a video game. Sorry I don't mean that to be condescending but I am speaking truthfully about my aspirations. Now whether I achieve them or not is unknown. And as for fund raising on a game, seems I don't see how that game relates to what I am developing.

[TPTB_need_war]

I know this is old news, but @TPTB_need_war: PLEASE take the time to watch the video I'm attaching. At this moment, the ONLY one that has a voice of reason seems to be V. Putin and by no means I'm pro Russian. It's a 22m video which I advise everyone to watch; but in case you don't have the time (or the will), please take it fast to 18:00".

Make sure you understand FULLY what he says.

'Do you realise what you've done?' Putin addresses UNGA 2015 (FULL SPEECH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13yzl6k6w0

I listened to 3:46 and I couldn't take any more of his very obviously being a stooge of the globalists plans and the UN.

The elite have framed the worst Communists in a country run by oligarchs as a our saviors via the UN over the big bad USA monster.

Can you Europeans see the elite are fooling you by manufacturing a war and having Russia and USA play roles in a drama.

Yet you fall for it, because you really want to believe Putin is your savior.

Fuck that. We Americans know who our savior is (God and) Smith and Wesson.

You Europeans will never understand that perhaps someone with an outside perspective who doesn't even consider himself American any more (and hasn't lived there for most of his life!) might have a more objective viewpoint that the inside manipulation and propaganda you are being subjected to from every level (including those NATO brass who smoke cigars).

Again opinions (including mine) are like assholes in that everyone has one.

I am tired of this subject matter. You all can go ahead and make your points, but please leave me out of it. Please don't address me personally on this issue and drag me back in. Just make your points and I will leave it at that.

Too much time has been wasted where I am not learning anything new and not accomplishing anything as well.

[macsga]

When the whole world seems stunned about the Oil price dump, here comes another critical factor to move the price even lower... It's funny while at the same time when every technologically advanced country in the world promotes electro-kinesis and renewable energies, how the previous status quo, begins to seem obsolete...

O tempora o mores...
Iran Gets Ready to Sell to the World


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/iran-gets-ready-to-sell-oil-to-the-world

[OROBTC]

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Iran's plan to sell more oil, as well as Saudi selling to Poland (to Russia's big customer, smile) and possible increased selling by Iraq all point to plenty of oil to take care of world demand.

That hints at deflation to me.

I just read in this weekend's Barron's that the US is cranking up its propane export infrastructure big time.  They expect to sell a lot to Asia.  And there is so much natural gas that could be exported (or used withing the USA) that I doubt that oil & gas prices will go much higher for sometime.

[macsga]

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Iran's plan to sell more oil, as well as Saudi selling to Poland (to Russia's big customer, smile) and possible increased selling by Iraq all point to plenty of oil to take care of world demand.

That hints at deflation to me.

I just read in this weekend's Barron's that the US is cranking up its propane export infrastructure big time.  They expect to sell a lot to Asia.  And there is so much natural gas that could be exported (or used withing the USA) that I doubt that oil & gas prices will go much higher for sometime.

Exactly! Deflation on oil prices will continue, also as the commodities (since the economy doesn't seem to recover). It's a chain system! We either need to change the way things move, or we're doomed to live harder times. Oil prices do not have only transport uses; plastic, vinyl, chemicals... you name it! Everything (or nearly everything) is bonded!

One thing is for sure; we need to get this figured out quickly. This cannot go any longer.

[rpietila]

Is everyone trolling or is it bad that things become cheaper??! 

[macsga]

Is everyone trolling or is it bad that things become cheaper??! 

Cheaper doesn't always mean that everyone will start buying... It could be used as a restart to the system, but I don't see it happening anytime soon (we're in this since September). FWIW: We're in the verge of several significant global changes and I don't think that "cheap oil" signifies a new circle of prosperity...

[rpietila]

Is everyone trolling or is it bad that things become cheaper??! 

Cheaper doesn't always mean that everyone will start buying... It could be used as a restart to the system, but I don't see it happening anytime soon (we're in this since September). FWIW: We're in the verge of several significant global changes and I don't think that "cheap oil" signifies a new circle of prosperity...

Ah sorry, I thought you would have ascended that already.

We don't want the cancer restarted but eradicated.

We are ready to move to knowledge age, robotics age, freedom age, capitalism age, or any other paradigm except the suffocating fascism-imperialism we now have.

(Nobody has even submitted to my contest of designing a worse financial system than the present. Perhaps the banksters had the competition already in Jekyll Island, and the winner was put into practice...  )

[TPTB_need_war]

We are in deflation because the Minsky Moment approaches. Saudi Arabia also increased production to counteract the lower price because the Middle East needs money for its larger populations and war. War is usually started in this phase of collapse. Perhaps we can offer the world a prosperous option to opt-out of the collapsing one. But do we have it already? Bitcoin? Monero? Small economies. Something is lacking in terms of widespread adoption. Into the abyss we go. I personally haven't given up on creating. I won't repeat my stuff as it is well document else where.

Good luck everyone, including you my friend Risto. Amping (means take care).

[TPTB_need_war]

But i`m not worried about world war, there is no indication that that will happen.

It will be proxy wars between Russia+China versus USA+Japan, in Middle East, Eastern & perhaps Southern Europe, and SE Asia.

Western Europe receiving the flood of refugees from the wars on the periphery. Brilliant plan of the global elite.

The big challenge for the global elite is how to conquer the gun toting Patriots in the USA. They got the other regions sandwiched in proxy wars between the major superpowers, thus will be easy to bring them to their knees to beg for the peace of a world government.

Readers remove the rose colored glasses and adopt the simple reality of it.

[rpietila]

Perhaps we can offer the world a prosperous option to opt-out of the collapsing one. But do we have it already? Bitcoin? Monero? Small economies. Something is lacking in terms of widespread adoption. Into the abyss we go.

What are we really lacking?

Balls.

Cryptocurrency exists already. If people had balls, they could just start to use it.

 I think victory is ours - we just wait how many more mistakes the enemy makes - and in the end we stand victorious. Like chess, when you know what the enemy's weak point is: They lie. We tell the truth. When people grow balls, they start to appreciate us more, and into the abyss the enemy goes.
 

[TPTB_need_war]

What are we really lacking?

The person who knows that will become very rich and/or famous if they can act on that knowledge. It could be a technology and/or a marketing insight. Or even a political call-to-action such as Paine's Common Sense. Or even a change in development and investing paradigm. I have some micro and macro ideas/insights, perhaps my having them is due to being much closer knowledge-wise to the technology than you and others are. Or maybe it is just because every human mind is unique.

One could argue we lack nothing but time.

[OROBTC]

Perhaps we can offer the world a prosperous option to opt-out of the collapsing one. But do we have it already? Bitcoin? Monero? Small economies. Something is lacking in terms of widespread adoption. Into the abyss we go.

What are we really lacking?

Balls.

Cryptocurrency exists already. If people had balls, they could just start to use it.

 I think victory is ours - we just wait how many more mistakes the enemy makes - and in the end we stand victorious. Like chess, when you know what the enemy's weak point is: They lie. We tell the truth. When people grow balls, they start to appreciate us more, and into the abyss the enemy goes.
 

Well, one big thing we are lacking (easy for us to see here at bitcointalk) is a good infrastructure to better using BTC and other cryptocurrencies.  What we have so far is not too bad, though very early, but I would like to see more ANONYMITY in the whole process, that would include the big weakness of delivery of goods purchased.

Unfortunately, it looks like real anonymity & privacy also overlap money laundering in the eyes of authorities.  Which is too damn bad.  A free crypto would net out to being a wonderful thing for freedom.  And privacy.

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We also lack Big Ideas, Big Implementation and Global Acceptance. 

Yes, rpietila, a long chess game where "we" outsee and outdo .gov may in the end lead us to what we want.  So in the long-run, yes, I think & hope you are right.

But in the long-run we are all dead too.  Maybe we should do all of this for our children?