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March 10, 2014, 01:56:59 AM
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I don't know if someone is specifically fucking with me but the constant name changes are ridiculous . I played 5 sessions  of micro plo opened 3 tables and had 4 new names insta sit each session. I have seen hundreds of new names over past couple of months today was beyond absurd. Guess its time to stop playing ring really tilting.

Do you really think people are name changing to bumhunt micro bitcoin plo?

Ive seen it ! lolz I I have seen 4 new names on 3 tables in 5 sessions today, this is not off da hizzy spew. They pretty much all insta sat at same time. I have seen hundreds of names the last 2 months its fucking ridiculous as you are pointing out !

It is retardedly ridiculous. Let mgmt. check my sessions and refute what I am saying.
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March 10, 2014, 02:45:50 AM
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I don't know if someone is specifically fucking with me but the constant name changes are ridiculous . I played 5 sessions  of micro plo opened 3 tables and had 4 new names insta sit each session. I have seen hundreds of new names over past couple of months today was beyond absurd. Guess its time to stop playing ring really tilting.

Do you really think people are name changing to bumhunt micro bitcoin plo?

Ive seen it ! lolz I I have seen 4 new names on 3 tables in 5 sessions today, this is not off da hizzy spew. They pretty much all insta sat at same time. I have seen hundreds of names the last 2 months its fucking ridiculous as you are pointing out !

It is retardedly ridiculous. Let mgmt. check my sessions and refute what I am saying.

Well, that is pretty crazy, but I think name changing is allowed, so your only real complaint would be if you think they were colluding together. 

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March 10, 2014, 02:58:11 AM
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Well, that is pretty crazy, but I think name changing is allowed, so your only real complaint would be if you think they were colluding together. 

There's a long history of multi-accounting collusion rings, including a couple busts of multiple accounts.  I have no reason to think the bad guys aren't still at it and the action is suspicious to say the least.  I'd avoid those tables.
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March 10, 2014, 03:57:59 AM
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I have hard evidence of collusion on seals.

Namely, I have the usernames and passwords of accounts used in collusion plays, and some of the hand histories to go with them.

This was waaay back though. I was given the accounts by a friend so I could play krillrolls with them, but this was back when 500 krill got you krillrolls. He's still doing the multiaccounting/collusion but no longer has an accounts of value since he abandons accounts before they hit 1250 krill. He also does a bunch of other things to avoid detection which I won't mention here.

If you want unregulated no dox poker then this is what you have to deal with. But yeah, the multiaccounting/collusion is especially obvious when you go to open a new game and 4 accounts registered today instasit.
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March 10, 2014, 04:04:14 AM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

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March 10, 2014, 06:03:28 AM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.
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March 10, 2014, 06:09:58 AM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters. 

Listen, is it likely that there are people cheating on bitcoin poker sites?  OF COURSE!  The platform is perfect for cheating.  But in the poker world, you can't just say "I'm losing therefore people are cheating" because that's what tons of losing players say about sites/players that are perfectly legit.

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March 10, 2014, 08:58:52 AM
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My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters. 


1)  ST6 busts their asses busting cheaters. 

2)  If you feel accounts are colluding, please tell support@sealswithclubs.eu and IMO post it publicly.  record hand histories or at least the hand number(s)  This is the hard evidence if someone believes collusion is occurring.  Without it, +1 guy on internet screaming it's rigged.

3)  The SwC community actively polices the games.  It's very similar to how at Bellagio or Aria the players are making sure other players aren't cheating.  I encourage all players to speak up if they feel something is unfair.  If you are uncomfortable posting on public forums please msg us via email.  All communication with SwC is private.

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March 10, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
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My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.  


1)  ST6 busts their asses busting cheaters.  

2)  If you feel accounts are colluding, please tell support@sealswithclubs.eu and IMO post it publicly.  record hand histories or at least the hand number(s)  This is the hard evidence if someone believes collusion is occurring.  Without it, +1 guy on internet screaming it's rigged.

3)  The SwC community actively polices the games.  It's very similar to how at Bellagio or Aria the players are making sure other players aren't cheating.  I encourage all players to speak up if they feel something is unfair.  If you are uncomfortable posting on public forums please msg us via email.  All communication with SwC is private.



I just want to clarify that I never said anything about cheating. I am saying In the last 2 months people are changing names at unprecedented rates. I played a lot of  six seat ring sessions yesterday opening  around 3 new tables each time and during each sessions at least 4 accounts brand new accounts, new names appeared a lot of times insta sitting at the same time. People coming in with new names 4 at a time each different session is  a concern.

Someone earlier was incredulous that people would do this for plo micro stakes but as I said I witnessed it and it is getting more then old and more prevalent .   The issue of people constantly changing name was not addressed. If people constantly change name numerous times during a day what good can possibly come of reporting anyway? By the time I or anyone have reported the people I am complaining about NOW have ALREADY  changed names . By allowing to people to change their screen names as often as they wish even many times a day you are making policing of fair play very difficult.

Who wants to keep writing admin  every time people change their names?  In yesterdays case it was name change after name change after name change.  Shirley did you even bother reading what I Wrote when you asked why people would bother ? Ignored
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March 10, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
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Donk4 -What difference does it make? What would be anyones motivation for doin that? Really why?

 Aany okersite of  with enough players will wi,th a large degree of certainty have cheaters. Too bad life isnt fair.

Now id really like ske news on the new client. Yet it seems micon only stops in to pump the big btc.
Oh and hows that tourney schedule coming? Lol sry i cant type for shit on my phoone
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March 10, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
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My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.  


1)  ST6 busts their asses busting cheaters.  

2)  If you feel accounts are colluding, please tell support@sealswithclubs.eu and IMO post it publicly.  record hand histories or at least the hand number(s)  This is the hard evidence if someone believes collusion is occurring.  Without it, +1 guy on internet screaming it's rigged.

3)  The SwC community actively polices the games.  It's very similar to how at Bellagio or Aria the players are making sure other players aren't cheating.  I encourage all players to speak up if they feel something is unfair.  If you are uncomfortable posting on public forums please msg us via email.  All communication with SwC is private.



I just want to clarify that I never said anything about cheating. I am saying In the last 2 months people are changing names at unprecedented rates. I played a lot of  six seat ring sessions yesterday opening  around 3 new tables each time and during each sessions at least 4 accounts brand new accounts, new names appeared a lot of times insta sitting at the same time. People coming in with new names 4 at a time each different session is  a concern.

Someone earlier was incredulous that people would do this for plo micro stakes but as I said I witnessed it and it is getting more then old and more prevalent .   The issue of people constantly changing name was not addressed. If people constantly change name numerous times during a day what good can possibly come of reporting anyway? By the time I or anyone have reported the people I am complaining about NOW have ALREADY  changed names . By allowing  people to change their screen names as often as they wish even many times a day you are making policing of fair play very difficult.

Who wants to keep writing admin  every time people change their names?  It is happening too frequently for even the players to keep up with the frequency of name changes. In yesterdays case it was name change after name change after name change.  Shirley did you even bother reading what I Wrote when you asked why people would bother creating new names for micro limits or are you saying what I said isn't happening  and calling me a liar?

I don't know if Micons  aria~bellagio  policing games is a fair analogy as those players obv can't change their identities each time they sit down to play. 

 I love the seals and am down for pretty much whatever the site decides but the constant name changing I have detailed is becoming more then concerning.
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March 10, 2014, 01:39:08 PM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.
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March 10, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.
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March 10, 2014, 02:48:46 PM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.

reading all this interesting stuff I have to ask how you can be 100% sure that those new 4 nicks
are new registered nicks? is there a way to see the time of registration? sorry if this was already answered. any answer is very much appreciated
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March 10, 2014, 04:59:47 PM
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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.

reading all this interesting stuff I have to ask how you can be 100% sure that those new 4 nicks
are new registered nicks? is there a way to see the time of registration? sorry if this was already answered. any answer is very much appreciated

You can specifically tell if they are new, but if they have a "title", Sly Seal, Tricky Seal etc, thay have less than 500 krill which he is associating as a new account.  He is most likely correct, they are new accounts.  Could someone be an older account, play only 10NL and have under 500 krill, of course.
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March 10, 2014, 07:30:30 PM
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My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.
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March 10, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
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March 10, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
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My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

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So its not cheating, you are just concerned that the tables arefilling?! Has this caused you to lose chips or just your sanity?

Also when will the "new client" be released?
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