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March 22, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
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I'm talking about free tournaments...
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March 22, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
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I'm talking about free tournaments...

Free tournaments are boring, deposit some coin and get in some real tournaments.

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March 22, 2014, 08:19:15 PM
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I'm talking about free tournaments...

You can play free tournaments after you register

You can deposit as low as 0.001, dt you have 0.001 to deposit? If you dont play for free here and get it : http://freebitco.in/?r=163799 or try some casino game https://everydice.com/?r=744 you can even invest in the casino bankroll, 0.67 buys you 1% of the casino winnings Smiley
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March 22, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
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You can deposit as low as 0.001, dt you have 0.001 to deposit? If you dont play for free here and get it.

OK.
I didn't know.
Thanks.


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March 22, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
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You can deposit as low as 0.001, dt you have 0.001 to deposit? If you dont play for free here and get it.

OK.
I didn't know.
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March 22, 2014, 09:33:15 PM
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Unless they are only 1-tabling, people couldn't just bust a tourney and re-enter on another screenname unless they had an extra computer available.  In which case they could just sign up anyways.  ASll of you complaining about late registration should use your brain, it adds to prizepools and does zero to reduce your (perceived) edge.

First of all I can multitable and sign in as more than one user at SWC on the same computer.  I could even multitable as multiple players.  I didn't say I DO this.  I say I could.  Easily.

Secondly.  If people can buy back into a non rebuy tournament then you are right it increases the prizepool, but it also increases the field.  This may or may not be desirable. 

Say I wanted to play low buyin PLO tournaments.  Also say I am an above average player.. ie winning.  And say I have no ethical qualms with using any multi login tactic possible to increase my shot at the money.  Then, i would look for <20 player tournaments with a buyin of 50 chips and under.  I would log in as 3 or 4 players, and if I busted out I would reload another until the pseudo-rebuy to prizepool math was bad.

I could go to the trouble to do a little math to prove this tactic would give me an unfair edge, but I don't really feel like it.  Plus I know intuitively it would work.  Help yourself though.

There are lots of other ways cheaters could use this method.

Another...   Say you have 5 players with a MSN or Skype connection...  well... do I really have to spell this out?  In the end for a little bit more buyin (and a bigger prizepool to match) our colluders will dominate the bubble all the time.

I have never said seals would face complex cheating rings like this...  I am sating the more opportunity seals gives for cheaters the more chance they will take it.
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March 22, 2014, 09:39:49 PM
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sealswithclubs has an official communicator? Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
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March 22, 2014, 09:53:04 PM
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sealswithclubs has an official communicator? Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

most of the tournys with passwords are not really free u have to play for real to get in those there are no passswords
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March 22, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
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Unless they are only 1-tabling, people couldn't just bust a tourney and re-enter on another screenname unless they had an extra computer available.  In which case they could just sign up anyways.  ASll of you complaining about late registration should use your brain, it adds to prizepools and does zero to reduce your (perceived) edge.

First of all I can multitable and sign in as more than one user at SWC on the same computer.  I could even multitable as multiple players.  I didn't say I DO this.  I say I could.  Easily.

Secondly.  If people can buy back into a non rebuy tournament then you are right it increases the prizepool, but it also increases the field.  This may or may not be desirable. 

Say I wanted to play low buyin PLO tournaments.  Also say I am an above average player.. ie winning.  And say I have no ethical qualms with using any multi login tactic possible to increase my shot at the money.  Then, i would look for <20 player tournaments with a buyin of 50 chips and under.  I would log in as 3 or 4 players, and if I busted out I would reload another until the pseudo-rebuy to prizepool math was bad.

I could go to the trouble to do a little math to prove this tactic would give me an unfair edge, but I don't really feel like it.  Plus I know intuitively it would work.  Help yourself though.

There are lots of other ways cheaters could use this method.

Another...   Say you have 5 players with a MSN or Skype connection...  well... do I really have to spell this out?  In the end for a little bit more buyin (and a bigger prizepool to match) our colluders will dominate the bubble all the time.

I have never said seals would face complex cheating rings like this...  I am sating the more opportunity seals gives for cheaters the more chance they will take it.

All of what you are saying is true.

Hypothetically.

By the same token, you can multibox 8x, jam all of your screennames into a SNG and have a near 100% win percentage vs the random joe you play against.

The risk you taking playing online poker is that it is very easy (theoretically) to cheat.  In practice, however, you'll find that that's not that common of a problem.  Why you ask?  Because most cheaters are morons.  As long as there are competent people working security (and vigilant players), most of the people who attempt to cheat will get caught, funds confiscated, refunds made, and future cheaters discouraged.  That's why poker sites don't have instant w/ds.  

Now the question is, how good is seals security?  I honestly have no clue, hopefully Micon can shed some light on that.  But like I said, anyone who knows anything will be able to catch 95%+ of the cheaters on a site.  

tl;dr: You are technically correct that opening up more avenues to potentially cheat is bad HOWEVER anyone would would be able to properly exploit something like a late reg to cheat is already cheating you in way worse ways.  So it's kind of a moot point.

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March 22, 2014, 10:41:57 PM
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tl;dr: You are technically correct that opening up more avenues to potentially cheat is bad HOWEVER anyone would would be able to properly exploit something like a late reg to cheat is already cheating you in way worse ways.  So it's kind of a moot point.

You summed your argument up well.  So.  Why don't we just allow multiple connections from the same player?  It's the wild wild west.  Prevention is moot.

One last try...

When we enable dishonest players to have a different set of rules than honest players dishonest players can find an edge. 

This is not a moot point.

I personally don't like late reg.  I also don't really care if seals implements it.  I don't play many big buyin tourneys.  I am only arguing if we are going to allow late reg we go in eyes open.  I see a hole there.  Others don't. 

I am good disagreeing, I feel I have made my point as clearly as I can.
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March 22, 2014, 11:00:13 PM
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tl;dr: You are technically correct that opening up more avenues to potentially cheat is bad HOWEVER anyone would would be able to properly exploit something like a late reg to cheat is already cheating you in way worse ways.  So it's kind of a moot point.

You summed your argument up well.  So.  Why don't we just allow multiple connections from the same player?  It's the wild wild west.  Prevention is moot.

One last try...

When we enable dishonest players to have a different set of rules than honest players dishonest players can find an edge. 

This is not a moot point.

I personally don't like late reg.  I also don't really care if seals implements it.  I don't play many big buyin tourneys.  I am only arguing if we are going to allow late reg we go in eyes open.  I see a hole there.  Others don't. 

I am good disagreeing, I feel I have made my point as clearly as I can.

You've made your point clear, yes, I'm just saying that you are worried about the wrong thing.  It's like a store leaving their cash register open all day and then worrying that people are stealing pennies from the take a penny jar.

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March 22, 2014, 11:11:04 PM
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tl;dr: You are technically correct that opening up more avenues to potentially cheat is bad HOWEVER anyone would would be able to properly exploit something like a late reg to cheat is already cheating you in way worse ways.  So it's kind of a moot point.

You summed your argument up well.  So.  Why don't we just allow multiple connections from the same player?  It's the wild wild west.  Prevention is moot.

One last try...

When we enable dishonest players to have a different set of rules than honest players dishonest players can find an edge.  

This is not a moot point.

I personally don't like late reg.  I also don't really care if seals implements it.  I don't play many big buyin tourneys.  I am only arguing if we are going to allow late reg we go in eyes open.  I see a hole there.  Others don't.  

I am good disagreeing, I feel I have made my point as clearly as I can.

I have to agree with you. Why open up another avenue when enough exist especially when it would be close to impossible to police. Seals has always had its credibility and fair play as a crying call to allow such a huge open door would really tarnish that image imo as seals would be knowingly allowing another avenue. We have as players seen in the past that certain people will cheat this is an avenue that can be avoided . It would be disappointing to me if the site allows late reg as an anonymous site.

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March 23, 2014, 08:49:33 AM
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I'm in favor of late reg. I think that limited 15min compromise would be great. There are countless times where I've been interested in jumping in an MTT to see that I've missed reg by 1-2mins.
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March 23, 2014, 09:55:32 AM
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yep 15 mins max would be good i missed the 100 chip 4.2k gtd today by seconds lol
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March 23, 2014, 04:30:45 PM
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do you guys know how many ways late reg could be used to collude?



Its bad news for a site like seals.
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March 23, 2014, 05:34:42 PM
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do you guys know how many ways late reg could be used to collude?



Its bad news for a site like seals.

that's exactly why they don't do it

you could just register an other time with an other IP
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March 23, 2014, 08:03:11 PM
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well yeah if you look through the last couple pages i been saying that but seems they want late reg i think i should be 5 mins to 15 max

i dont even play much tournys because of no breaks whens that gonna be applied?
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March 23, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
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I'm in favor of late reg. I think that limited 15min compromise would be great. There are countless times where I've been interested in jumping in an MTT to see that I've missed reg by 1-2mins.

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I agree we need ~1 level or so of late reg. 

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March 23, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
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do you guys know how many ways late reg could be used to collude?



Its bad news for a site like seals.

that's exactly why they don't do it

you could just register an other time with an other IP

How do you get "exactly" when Micon has repeatedly said he wants late reg?

They don't do it because the software currently doesn't have that option.  It is being talked now about because a new client will be released this year that will have that option.  Micon guessed it is possible in 3 months.  It is a guess and I would take the over as that is how this process invariably runs.
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March 23, 2014, 11:33:44 PM
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do you guys know how many ways late reg could be used to collude?



Its bad news for a site like seals.

that's exactly why they don't do it

you could just register an other time with an other IP

How do you get "exactly" when Micon has repeatedly said he wants late reg?

They don't do it because the software currently doesn't have that option.  It is being talked now about because a new client will be released this year that will have that option.  Micon guessed it is possible in 3 months.  It is a guess and I would take the over as that is how this process invariably runs.

I should have said that I thought it was why they didn't do it, you could register to the same tourney again from a different IP if you lose before the end of the late reg, I don't think it's that bad for other players though since you are paying twice + it means you lost in the first 15 or 30minutes...

I almost did the big tourney but 0.5 is too much for me tonight
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