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[Micon]

Micon face it, seals is becoming OBSOLETE. Two years ago I learned of bitcoin, and at same time you all kept saying huge series, satellites all that are coming. Its been two years. And what do we have? Nada. Zilch, zero. Betcoin has replaced you and others are doing the same. Instead of marketing "they are coming" from a brand perspective and marketing person myself, you should focus on customer loyalty and market that seals is where all the players go, stop throwing empty promises because all you're doing is pissing off customers.

Your criticism has elements of truth and elements of sensationalism. 

1)  SwC is still, by far, the largest bitcoin poker site.  No bitcoin online poker site is close to us right now.  Describing us as all-caps OBSOLETE is easily disproven here: http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail.aspx?site=SealswithClubs&ab=34775634
2)  SwC is in need of many features.  Both ST6 & myself are in agreement on this point, and it is quite valid.
3)  The promises I make are not empty.  They are the legitimate development path we are on.  The human brainpower behind SwC is overworked, and the security of our player's bitcoins is our first and foremost priority.  This takes precedence over all feature implementations.  Because of this, we go very slow. 
4)  Fully agree on customer loyalty focus.  I think players forget how much equity we dish out each and every week in Table Starter Rakeback, Krill-based rakeback, and the totally free coins added by SwC into the many krillrolls that run regularly.

I enjoy dreaming about the future of SwC.  We are all quite lucky to have brilliant software engineers implementing our shared dreams for a better SwC.  The pace is slower than all us want.  I implore you to play our current menu of games while our team builds the nasty. 

[DataStorm]

How about if I play you heads up Micon? If I beat you you grant me access to a private game, if I lose you get my chips. I'd really like to start one for the the free state project. We meet many people who come to visit NH and I'd like to give them a password to keep in touch.

[nutildah]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

[Bobblehead Pete]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

I think its unfair to have multiple players on the site. Prone to abuse.

[Midwestbitcoiner]

Micon face it, seals is becoming OBSOLETE. Two years ago I learned of bitcoin, and at same time you all kept saying huge series, satellites all that are coming. Its been two years. And what do we have? Nada. Zilch, zero. Betcoin has replaced you and others are doing the same. Instead of marketing "they are coming" from a brand perspective and marketing person myself, you should focus on customer loyalty and market that seals is where all the players go, stop throwing empty promises because all you're doing is pissing off customers.

Your criticism has elements of truth and elements of sensationalism. 

1)  SwC is still, by far, the largest bitcoin poker site.  No bitcoin online poker site is close to us right now.  Describing us as all-caps OBSOLETE is easily disproven here: http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail.aspx?site=SealswithClubs&ab=34775634
2)  SwC is in need of many features.  Both ST6 & myself are in agreement on this point, and it is quite valid.
3)  The promises I make are not empty.  They are the legitimate development path we are on.  The human brainpower behind SwC is overworked, and the security of our player's bitcoins is our first and foremost priority.  This takes precedence over all feature implementations.  Because of this, we go very slow. 
4)  Fully agree on customer loyalty focus.  I think players forget how much equity we dish out each and every week in Table Starter Rakeback, Krill-based rakeback, and the totally free coins added by SwC into the many krillrolls that run regularly.

I enjoy dreaming about the future of SwC.  We are all quite lucky to have brilliant software engineers implementing our shared dreams for a better SwC.  The pace is slower than all us want.  I implore you to play our current menu of games while our team builds the nasty. 

Pretty sure since betcoin introduced merged tourneys, they are much larger than you.  And no collusion, no 12 hour delays on withdraws, no asshats in chat scamming eaxh other and calling each other the N word.

Thoughts?

[NLNico]

Betcoin has like 2 cash games running, obviously Seals has much more than that. The tournaments does have more players, but still less "Betcoin players" than the Seals tournaments. WPN is obviously bigger than Seals, Betcoin technically not. But yeh, it is (finally?) a real competitor after Seals basically had a monopoly for a long time. Competition should be always good imo

[Midwestbitcoiner]

Betcoin has like 2 cash games running, obviously Seals has much more than that. The tournaments does have more players, but still less "Betcoin players" than the Seals tournaments. WPN is obviously bigger than Seals, Betcoin technically not. But yeh, it is (finally?) a real competitor after Seals basically had a monopoly for a long time. Competition should be always good imo

One could argue that 75% of the cash players on seals, are actually colluding multi accounts...

[WearsMyLiberty]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

I agree that multiple people from the same IP address shouldn't be able to sit at the same ring game table.  I think that's standard.

But in 10+ years of playing online I can't remember ever seeing a site that didn't allow you to play against the same opponent at multiple tables. 

That's just what happens when you multi-table... you end up seeing some of the same people at different tables.

[Bitsaoit]

 
I can not login to my account keep getting bad login, then redirected to page with a captcha and a message reading:
This form will allow you to unlock your account and log in. If you want to log in via the client afterwards you will be able to. Sorry for the inconvenience

[SylTi]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

For the last part of your post, he doesn't exist anywhere.

[Timep34]

I remember seeing someone who had a signature that showed that they would pay a certain amount of chips for krill if you used their name as a referral, anyone know who this is or can point me in the right direction? thank you in advance

[nutildah]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

I agree that multiple people from the same IP address shouldn't be able to sit at the same ring game table.  I think that's standard.

But in 10+ years of playing online I can't remember ever seeing a site that didn't allow you to play against the same opponent at multiple tables. 

That's just what happens when you multi-table... you end up seeing some of the same people at different tables.

When its fake money, its fine. When its real money, its cheating.

Wouldn't you want to just assume these people are colluding for your own safety? It seems like a no-brainer to not play at a site for this very reason. I will wait until there is more competition.

[WearsMyLiberty]

Can someone recommend some competitor sites that don't allow multiple logons from 1 IP or allow multiple players to play at multiple tables together?

I agree that multiple people from the same IP address shouldn't be able to sit at the same ring game table.  I think that's standard.

But in 10+ years of playing online I can't remember ever seeing a site that didn't allow you to play against the same opponent at multiple tables. 

That's just what happens when you multi-table... you end up seeing some of the same people at different tables.

When its fake money, its fine. When its real money, its cheating.

Wouldn't you want to just assume these people are colluding for your own safety? It seems like a no-brainer to not play at a site for this very reason. I will wait until there is more competition.

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time. 

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

But it's your decision, if you don't feel comfortable then you shouldn't play.  And if you do and suspect collusion you should report it.

I'm not sure if you'll be able to find a site you're describing though.  Even real money sites like Pokerstars or regulated US sites allow people to play against eachother at multiple tables.

[nutildah]

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time.  

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

In general, bitcoiners are bad poker players. I walked away up at least $80 and don't plan on returning because even though hackers are bad poker players, they still have the upper hand by cheating.

I'm willing to bet you are one of the people who is involved in collusion on the site otherwise you wouldn't be so pro-cheater.

[Wardrick]

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time.  

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

In general, bitcoiners are bad poker players. I walked away up at least $80 and don't plan on returning because even though hackers are bad poker players, they still have the upper hand by cheating.

I'm willing to bet you are one of the people who is involved in collusion on the site otherwise you wouldn't be so pro-cheater.

How can you make such a large generalization when you just "walked away up $80"? Sounds like you've only played poker once or twice, $80 isn't really anything in the long run. I don't play online often but I cash in about 70% of tournaments I enter in at casinos, your statement just leads me to believe you lost a bunch of money and you're looking for something to blame it on. The best way to avoid being cheated is to not play online poker.

[Midwestbitcoiner]

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time.  

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

In general, bitcoiners are bad poker players. I walked away up at least $80 and don't plan on returning because even though hackers are bad poker players, they still have the upper hand by cheating.

I'm willing to bet you are one of the people who is involved in collusion on the site otherwise you wouldn't be so pro-cheater.

How can you make such a large generalization when you just "walked away up $80"? Sounds like you've only played poker once or twice, $80 isn't really anything in the long run. I don't play online often but I cash in about 70% of tournaments I enter in at casinos, your statement just leads me to believe you lost a bunch of money and you're looking for something to blame it on. The best way to avoid being cheated is to not play online poker.

If you cash in 70% of tournaments, you should.go.pro, since not even.pros cash that much in mtts.

[Wardrick]

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time.  

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

In general, bitcoiners are bad poker players. I walked away up at least $80 and don't plan on returning because even though hackers are bad poker players, they still have the upper hand by cheating.

I'm willing to bet you are one of the people who is involved in collusion on the site otherwise you wouldn't be so pro-cheater.

How can you make such a large generalization when you just "walked away up $80"? Sounds like you've only played poker once or twice, $80 isn't really anything in the long run. I don't play online often but I cash in about 70% of tournaments I enter in at casinos, your statement just leads me to believe you lost a bunch of money and you're looking for something to blame it on. The best way to avoid being cheated is to not play online poker.

If you cash in 70% of tournaments, you should.go.pro, since not even.pros cash that much in mtts.

I just started playing in casino tournaments about two months ago. Before that it was just the occasional online playing or playing with family. The tourneys are normally 25-50 people so they're not as big as the ones the pros play in.

[WearsMyLiberty]

Personally, no I don't worry about it.  Sometimes I've ended up playing the same 5 people on a few different tables at the same time.  

That's just what happens when everyone wants to play more than one table at a time to get more hands in.

I can understand watching for collusion... but I've never felt like I was being colluded against.  And if they are they're very bad at it.

In general, bitcoiners are bad poker players. I walked away up at least $80 and don't plan on returning because even though hackers are bad poker players, they still have the upper hand by cheating.

I'm willing to bet you are one of the people who is involved in collusion on the site otherwise you wouldn't be so pro-cheater.

Alright, I was actually tryin to help you out and answer your question but I guess you already have your mind made up.

Good luck.

[nutildah]

How can you make such a large generalization when you just "walked away up $80"? Sounds like you've only played poker once or twice, $80 isn't really anything in the long run. I don't play online often but I cash in about 70% of tournaments I enter in at casinos, your statement just leads me to believe you lost a bunch of money and you're looking for something to blame it on. The best way to avoid being cheated is to not play online poker.

Actually I shouldn't have brought numbers into it. I only said that so people _wouldn't_ assume what you went ahead and assumed anyway.

But I agree with your last sentence 100%.

[Micon]

SwC actively monitors for collusion. 

Every now and then a few posters make broad statements on forums like "collusion is everywhere" yet give no specifics.

If you suspect players(s) are colluding, post it publicly or email support@sealswithclubs.eu.  We actively police the games and have for years.  It is one of our primary jobs as a bitcoin poker site. 

It seems baseless to accuse collusion without an HH or usernames.