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[CatKiwi]

WTF its 0.012 ??

Fuck this bullshit - I'm taking my coins and putting them in my flashdrive wallet and leaving them till this is over. FUCK YOU WHALE MANIPULATORS! YOU ARE DAMAGING THE COIN IN PURSUIT OF A BUCK!

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[camosoul]

Your example falls apart if the algorithm ordering is crc32(sha256(input)).

Not quite. A collision found part way thru the stack still allows you to generate collisions across the entire stack, because you can skip the inner-most steps.

e.g. if we have
crc32(sha256(y)) = crc32(someValue)

if crc32(someValue) collides with crc32(anotherValue), then there is essentially a full stack collision, because you can literally ignore the innermost sha256() function when generating your X11() collisions.

This is partly related to the nature of using a hashing algorithm for PoW - it's unnecessary to have a collision attack at the inputs, only somewhere along the hashing chain before the output.

Of course, this is all mainly about future-proofing - but in the long-term, I think this may end up being highly significant.

But in PoW, the hash is the proof of the block, and the block is the proof of the hash.  You can publish collided hashes all you want, but if there is not a valid input block which produces that hash, you will not be able to attack the network.  You can't "skip the inner-most steps" if you want to do anything meaningful.

In your sha256(crc32()) example, you used "plumless" and "buckaroo" for inputs.  Say these are blocks, and say that the specification of the coin requires that all blocks start with "p".  Therefore "plumless" meets the qualifications for a block but "buckaroo" does not. Then your collision is meaningless for attacking the coin unless you can find another collision with an input starting with "p".

Given that raw coin blocks have many bytes of plaintext in them, which MUST be formatted correctly; and that they contain many transactions within them, which are themselves self-proving with hashes and signatures; (therefore changing 1 byte in the transaction will result in the transaction hash not being valid, so changing the 1 byte in the transaction will result in an entirely new transaction hash, and the output would have to include both in your collision); even with a pretty well busted algorithm, the likelihood of finding another valid block which matches the hash must be vanishingly small.

This was the direction my brain was starting to go. I was asking him to prove that hashf(bork))=bork went both ways proving hashf(bork(generatesbork(failup))). Input string size... Look how addresses are generated... X in front. L in front... Aren't blocks formatted?

I haven't had these sorts of thoughts for a very long time...

[mr_random]

WTF its 0.012 ??

Fuck this bullshit - I'm taking my coins and putting them in my flashdrive wallet and leaving them till this is over. FUCK YOU WHALE MANIPULATORS! YOU ARE DAMAGING THE COIN IN PURSUIT OF A BUCK!

[Freckleg]

WTF its 0.012 ??

Fuck this bullshit - I'm taking my coins and putting them in my flashdrive wallet and leaving them till this is over. FUCK YOU WHALE MANIPULATORS! YOU ARE DAMAGING THE COIN IN PURSUIT OF A BUCK!

Good choice! I am going whale hunting ;-)

[coinzcoinzcoinz]

I bought 56000 darkcoin at $0.70. Yhe price may have fallen 50% to $7, I'm still up 10 times my investment. I am not thinking about selling until we reach $50 a coin in about a month. Crypto traders are such short term thinkers, its hilarious.

[CatKiwi]

WTF its 0.012 ??

Fuck this bullshit - I'm taking my coins and putting them in my flashdrive wallet and leaving them till this is over. FUCK YOU WHALE MANIPULATORS! YOU ARE DAMAGING THE COIN IN PURSUIT OF A BUCK!

Good choice! I am going whale hunting ;-)

Take a big fat chunk of their ass my brother! I would but went all in on Dark yesterday morning lol Back to the real world until this blows over haha

[mr_random]

I bought 56000 darkcoin at $0.70. Yhe price may have fallen 50% to $7, I'm still up 10 times my investment.

I'm sure that reassures all the people who bought DRK at $10+

[photoguy]

WTF its 0.012 ??

It's me buying cheap.

[k!lowatts]

WTF its 0.012  0.011??

It's me buying cheap.

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[daeminium]

0.01155000 24h low mintpal :-(

[CryptoPleb]

All that matters is a good strong solid anon coin. For me the price isnt important to watch until that is established. In the end people will go where the quality is.

[Kai Proctor]

Good bye sellers welcome new buyers.

[k!lowatts]

i wonder if coinzcoinzcoinz is looking at the chart now

[phzi]

I bought 56000 darkcoin at $0.70. Yhe price may have fallen 50% to $7, I'm still up 10 times my investment. I am not thinking about selling until we reach $50 a coin in about a month. Crypto traders are such short term thinkers, its hilarious.

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You're obviously no exception... $50/coin in a month?  That's a lofty prediction for only a month away, heh.

[lulutis2000]

Sell now, cry later...

[Freckleg]

0.01155000 24h low mintpal :-(

Just relax do not trade, this has nothing to do with the quality and potential of this coin. It's just a little short term pressure. The best quality always wins

[Sapereaude]

Screw this constant price fall and whale dumping bullshit. Imma sell my coins and wait for it to go back to where I bought it $0.80!

[arieq]

time to buy cheap DRKs... soon it will rise back to 0.016

just bought 100 DRKs at @0.0118

[photoguy]

All that matters is a good strong solid anon coin. For me the price isnt important to watch until that is established. In the end people will go where the quality is.

+1.

Personally, it think it will be drk. I think it will be worth the wait and trouble. As I see it, there are two situations that could be going on.

1. Evan is screwing us over.
2. Evan is keeping it closed source and not talking much, because he is producing a product (Hate that word, but can't think of anything better) that is much, much better then the competition.

I'm (Personally) sure that it's #2.

[Sapereaude]

time to buy cheap DRKs... soon it will rise back to 0.016

just bought 100 DRKs at @0.0118

and i sold 4000 @0.0118