[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[moocowmoo]

.. error ..

fixed.  Since your pi can't connect back to itself, it tried to use a non-existent ipv6.

Yay bugfixes!

[Jestah]

IB, don't you have a company to run into the ground with employees that depend on you?  How do you have time to spam us?  How do you even sleep at night?

Mr. Blueberry, best of luck to you and your NSA authored software/coin/platform (not sure what it is really).

Not sure what you meant by the NSA comment, but if you are implying that CryptoNote is far more NSA proof than CoinJoin you are correct.

I'm sorry but as far as I knew, cryptobloat was written BY the NSA.  So w/e.

I thought the Monero devs were secretly the Bytecoin and CryptoNote devs. Do we work for the NSA too?

It is hard to keep track of the Dash conspiracy theories.

Well, I do read that the NSA designed the whateveritis from time to time....must be true.  Right?

[illodin]

We care more about tech than enriching instamine masternode owners.

Yes, that's why you premined 82% of the total float of Bytecoin (the first Cryptonote coin) before releasing it, and when that plan didn't work as people realized what's up, you proceeded to launch a plethora of Bytecoin clones in case any of those would stick. What I'm not so sure about yet, is if your motivation was greed, or building a honey pot for people who think they'd be anonymous using your coin.

[z1lch]

Hey guys keen for some input here if your up to it. Thanks!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ojjkq/can_someone_help_me_understand_the_claims_of/

This is the question asked below:

Can someone help me understand the claims of Monero and Darkcoiners regarding the anonymity of their chain?

As far as I can tell, there are literally 1-3 transactions that occur in every block. How the hell is that anonymous? There is no entropy in these systems. Am I reading their explorers incorrectly? Is there something weird with the way they handle transactions such that 1 transaction means many more? Or are their claims of high use as bullshit as it looks?
XMR transactions: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks/1
DSH transactions: http://chainradar.com/dsh/blocks

 

[moocowmoo]

.. error ..

fixed.  Since your pi can't connect back to itself, it tried to use a non-existent ipv6.

Yay bugfixes!

good stuff - awaiting next version.....

shhhhh....... lol

Added a last payment output.  Thanks elberethzone! dashninja.pl makes dashman work!



to pull in these latest changes, do:

Code:

dashman sync ; dashman status

[toknormal]

They should have listened to...

Humanity at its finest.

[110110101]

Wow, really nice moocowmoo, updated and everything is working great! A big appreciation for your efforts in creating this great set of tools!

[ultradar]

Hello there i have been a big darkcoin/ dash supporter aquiring more than 10k coins but i had to sell before 5 months and now im looking forward for a bigger return as i realy love this coin and im in for the longterm but i wanted to know what are/was the plans until now in a 5month back time frame.thanks in advance

[toknormal]

...but i wanted to know what are/was the plans until now in a 5month back time frame.thanks in advance

Here's the recently announced roadmap items:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-team-at-bitcoin-wednesday-amsterdam-presentation.6287/page-3

Video series:

https://www.dashpay.io/dash-video-series/

Economics Commentary:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12549331#msg12549331

[sulfurtank]

Hello there i have been a big darkcoin/ dash supporter aquiring more than 10k coins but i had to sell before 5 months and now im looking forward for a bigger return as i realy love this coin and im in for the longterm but i wanted to know what are/was the plans until now in a 5month back time frame.thanks in advance

It has achieved successful anonymity with what they call RC5 update and now going for even more improved anonymity. They also announced web 3.0 proposal which will create a better version of Tor anonymous internet. The upcoming projects also includes anonymous video conference, phone calls, chat, email and so on. Early adopter phase is over, there are a plenty of great things in the process of being implemented.

[binaryFate]

Had a look at cryptonote yesterday and will probably read up on it more later, its NSA links make me wary

I remember you from the ASICMINER thread, you seemed a reasonable guy then. How did you end up blindly taking random words for a truth?
There is no evidence whatsoever of this. I think it originates (or better "came out of the blue") from this thread only, probably by toknormal.
You could have said "its links with a secret dolphin society makes me wary", there would be exactly as much supportive facts.

[toknormal]

How did you end up blindly taking random words for a truth?
There is no evidence whatsoever of this. I think it originates (or better "came out of the blue") from this thread only, probably by toknormal.

It did.

And my point was that non-public blockchains are a product of cryptography and are essentially cryptographic messaging systems which have their origin (both in terms of strategic design and background technology) in government ivory towers.

I also said that such cryptographic messaging systems have little to do with the properties of base money - historically speaking  - due to their private nature, and that their original design role (as specified in this 1996 NSA document) was to implement an encrypted bookkeeping system (i.e. a credit money system) backed by banks rather than to act as a universally visible, transparent and uncounterfeitable peer-to-peer electronic token.

(P.S. Much of the technology in Bitcoin originated in government ivory towers also. The difference is that those blockchains are public, transparent and anonymous and therefore far less corruptible than opaque ones when the "trusted third party" is removed. Your wallet tells you something, you check it on block explorer, the whole world can verify it, --> it gains value --> it can work as money).

[smooth]

How did you end up blindly taking random words for a truth?
There is no evidence whatsoever of this. I think it originates (or better "came out of the blue") from this thread only, probably by toknormal.

It did.

And my point was that non-public blockchains are a product of cryptography and are essentially cryptographic messaging systems which have their origin (both in terms of strategic design and background technology) in government ivory towers.

What in the world does this have to do with "the NSA designed cryptonote" that people on this thread are now repeating?

I also said that such cryptographic messaging systems have little to do with the properties of base money - historically speaking  - due to their private nature, and that their original design role (as specified in this 1996 NSA document) was to implement an encrypted bookkeeping system (i.e. a credit money system) backed by a banks rather than to act as a universally visible, transparent and uncounterfeitable peer-to-peer electronic token.

The reason that paper focuses on tokens issued by a bank is that it was written in the 90s, when electronic cash was being developed based on the David Chaum's model of tokens issued by a bank. That was superseded (after failing on its own to gain any traction, though recently there is been somewhat of a rekindling of interest) in Bitcoin and its successors -- including both Dash and Monero -- by satoshi's approach of using a decentralized consensus instead. There is no other connection. Stop spouting ignorance.

[binaryFate]

How did you end up blindly taking random words for a truth?
There is no evidence whatsoever of this. I think it originates (or better "came out of the blue") from this thread only, probably by toknormal.

It did.

And my point was that non-public blockchains are a product of cryptography and are essentially cryptographic messaging systems which have their origin (both in terms of strategic design and background technology) in government ivory towers.

All cryptocurrencies are a product of cryptography.
Cryptonote (the ring signature part of it) is basically based on group signatures, which originates from Chaum in 1991. There are numerous academic papers on the topic since then.
Suggesting that this is linked to the NSA is really completely out of the blue.
Now even if you put all the cryptography field under your grand conspiracy scheme, still suggesting this is more closely related to the NSA than, say, ECSDA as is it used in Bitcoin, is still completely unsubstantiated.

I also said that such cryptographic messaging systems have little to do with the properties of base money - historically speaking  - due to their private nature, and that their original design role (as specified in this 1996 NSA document) was to implement an encrypted bookkeeping system (i.e. a credit money system) backed by a banks rather than to act as a universally visible, transparent and uncounterfeitable peer-to-peer electronic token.

Now you've derailed on messaging systems and give me references of NSA docs about it. This is off-topic, sorry.

[binaryFate]

Had a look at cryptonote yesterday and will probably read up on it more later, its NSA links make me wary

I remember you from the ASICMINER thread, you seemed a reasonable guy then. How did you end up blindly taking random words for a truth?
There is no evidence whatsoever of this. I think it originates (or better "came out of the blue") from this thread only, probably by toknormal.
You could have said "its links with a secret dolphin society makes me wary", there would be exactly as much supportive facts.

I was reading up somewhere on common points with the NSA mint doc (linked below) and cryptonote, not sure where though, I don't think it was here but it may have been. Didn't get far into it though, was reading up on several different thing yesterday and my brain's fried from it but if the NSA's releasing tech docs then I'd be fairly confident they've a means of breaking the tech involved. I could be wrong about the connection with cryptonote though, I was fairly sure there was a clear connection but was planning on reading up more on it today.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

There have been many works before Bitcoin that were aiming towards the function of Bitcoin. The real genius was the proof-of-work ledger, not the cryptographic schemes to exchanges tokens. So sure you can dig up numerous stuff, some from the NSA  (they surely have some of the best cryptographers in the world in-house), some from other institutions. So what?

SHA256 is vested by the NSA, and is the one used in Bitcoin. Nobody ever found a link to the NSA.
Isn't Keccak one of the hash functions of "X11"? If I'm not mistaken it was recently accepted by the NIST (ie, NSA vested) as the new standard SHA3. Does this mean Dash is linked to the NSA now?

It really is unsubstantiated FUD, nothing else. It's also completely baseless; I'll stop wasting time to answer mere baseless FUD.

[toknormal]

All cryptocurrencies are a product of cryptography

...except in Bitcoin it's used to facilitate transparency. In Cryptonote it's used to facilitate opaqueness.

If you don't think the 'NSA' have as many back doors into 'privacy technology' as a city brothel then help yourself - build a world financial system on the back of a principle that was invented for spies and banks . They don't need to break it to ruin it. The fact that no-one can see what address(ses) funded another is enough of a breach in publicly auditable continuity to render it useless. All anyone needs to do is plant enough turds in the punchbowl of wallets, exchanges, blockexplorers and 'viewkey' gimmickry to completely destroy confidence without even touching a line of protocol code

You think voluntary disclosure of balances does anything to address this ? You need to see the viewkey when the other guy DOESN'T want to show you it, not just when he does.

I'm sorry. Cryptonote and secrecy technologies like it were not developed to protect 'us' from governments. They were invented to protect 'governments' from us.

[Sub-Ether]

It really is unsubstantiated FUD, nothing else. It's also completely baseless; I'll stop wasting time to answer mere baseless FUD.

I teach you some maths, when FUD screeches FUD twice this is generally a cube power based on the size of the original FUD (i.e. you)
So when FUD chants FUD twice, this is FUD * FUD * FUD = FUD ^ 3,
This is known as the cube law of FUD.

[Triptolemoose]

Hey guys keen for some input here if your up to it. Thanks!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ojjkq/can_someone_help_me_understand_the_claims_of/

This is the question asked below:

Can someone help me understand the claims of Monero and Darkcoiners regarding the anonymity of their chain?

As far as I can tell, there are literally 1-3 transactions that occur in every block. How the hell is that anonymous? There is no entropy in these systems. Am I reading their explorers incorrectly? Is there something weird with the way they handle transactions such that 1 transaction means many more? Or are their claims of high use as bullshit as it looks?
XMR transactions: http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks/1
DSH transactions: http://chainradar.com/dsh/blocks

 

Good to see some discussion on the first page of r/Bitcoin/

Shame they linked to the wrong blockchain explorer for Dash :/

[illodin]

I always thought the NSA (or some other national agency) implications originated from Bytecoin, as it seems to be a honeypot designed to get people use it thinking their transactions will be private.

And also from their representatives refusing to answer to a question whether they are working with any law enforcement agencies.

[binaryFate]

Y'know, the genuine trolls methods are many fold, scare away anyone interested, divide groups, spread rumour... and many more subtle ways too such as encouraging hostility and the result of that is we do their work for them. Unless binaryFate sold his account at some stage then I can safely say he's not a troll and any impression of hostility on his part is likely the result of the same subtle trolling that's effecting us.

Thank you.
I know this thread is under constant "attack", but indeed responding like some do isn't gonna help elevate the level!