[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[gusterdd]

This thread has received over 5 MILLION views. Think about that. I'd like to thank the "trolls" for doing that, and bringing new investors to Dash. We are well on our way, and in no small part thanks to them.

The great thing is that no matter how hard they blow their horns, the price is staying rock steady in anticipation of the great announcements to come at the two conferences.

Cheers to 5 MILLION views!

I'd also like to thank the "trolls" for doing that, and bringing new investors to Dash.
Thanks "trolls" really. increase troll number to make DASH popular.

[oaxaca]

It's quote obvious the bitcointalk moderators are fist deep involved failero coin, thats probably they reason they're deleting post by Otoh but keep posts from failero trolls visible.

I'll repost this which will explain the mods behavior.
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More mass deletions happening.
Yet troll comments are still up.
Interesting....

After further review, there is a fairly simple explanation.

Bitcoin Maximalism

Bitcoin Maximalism is the belief that Bitcoin is in fact the One Coin To Rule Them All.  The "first mover advantage" is strong with this one.  Bitcoin was the first crypto currency to gain world wide attention.  According to this belief, all problems within Bitcoin can be solved either internally (block size debate) or as a supplementary feature (sidechains).  The true believers of Bitcoin Maximalism must use strategies of crush and absorb when better ideas come along.  This will maintain their position for as long as possible. There are VERY large stake holders that are betting on Bitcoin.

An excellent example of this problem solving is DASH.  There are inherent weaknesses in Bitcoin that have been revealed after field testing.  Transaction speed and fungibility are easy to point out.  DASH has implemented vast improvements in these (and other) areas that Bitcoin will find challenging to absorb.  Therefore, it must be crushed.

The Mods of this forum are true believers in Bitcoin Maximalism, and they have far and away the most popular crypto forum on the Internet.  Why not use the platform to your own advantage?  Some of the best and brighest minds in the industry freely post their ideas here.  This helps Bitcoin by getting free business intelligence.  Trolling on online forums is not new, and is even worse in some corners of the web.  People who have time and money invested in Altcoin A sometimes think that trolling Altcoin B will help A succeed.  This in turn starts all out war when Alcoin B attacks Altcoin C, who in turn attacks Altcoin A.  Ask yourself who stands to gain by this activity?  The Bitcoin Maximalists of course.  The term for the army of Monero trolls congregating here is "useful idiots".

What can be done?

The initial first-mover advantage will last for a period of time, only to be replaced by the "Fast Follower".  Ford Motor Company was the first mass produced manufacturer of cars.  Within a short time, General Motors was outselling them by offering something Ford would not.  By following a stragtegy of innovation, combined with focusing on getting the word out, DASH has an excellent chance of succeeding in the Digital Cash realm.

[arielbit]

nobodies..

nobodies..

hypocrites.

for the record, you people are trying to convince "the nobodies" in investing in this instamined snake oil coin.

why don't you hug each other? <<<HUGSS>> >

[arielbit]

The initial first-mover advantage will last for a period of time, only to be replaced by the "Fast Follower".  Ford Motor Company was the first mass produced manufacturer of cars.  Within a short time, General Motors was outselling them by offering something Ford would not.  By following a stragtegy of innovation, combined with focusing on getting the word out, DASH has an excellent chance of succeeding in the Digital Cash realm.

weak analogy..

Ford and General motors have so many patents on their part...Bitcoin and darkcoin are opensource software

....and how many bitcoin codes had been copied by dash?----->A HECK FUCKIN LOT 

[MasterMined710]

you support Dash's instamine but not another coin's instamine?

apples and oranges.
monero is more of a highly inflationary unfair cripplemined fastmine than a instamine.

[smoothie]

This thread has received over 5 MILLION views. Think about that. I'd like to thank the "trolls" for doing that, and bringing new investors to Dash. We are well on our way, and in no small part thanks to them.

The great thing is that no matter how hard they blow their horns, the price is staying rock steady in anticipation of the great announcements to come at the two conferences.

Cheers to 5 MILLION views!

And after 5 million views...still people know and care about the instamine...

It would be a fresh start, furthering us from the "instamine" crap, the "closed source" argument and all the other growing pains of the first few months.

I guess that idea/plan didn't work out too well for you did it, now more than a year later?

 

Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash?

The instamine was a bug that turned into a feature, it's also why we're continuing to be a success.

Success? Since this was posted the price has dropped 40% from about the same time you posted your "technical" analysis of the price.

@Evan, is Cloakcoin's instamine a feature too? Mastermined710 disagrees it was "fair".

If Evan is capable and likely to produce the way he is alluding to, Dash is going to be ready for adoption on a large scale. If that happens, I will not give a damn how much Dash Evan has, because I will be too busy counting my profits, which will be through the roof. With less inflation down the pipe, I might add.

So then it is more about profits than what bitcoin was originally designed for?

[smoothie]

you support Dash's instamine but not another coin's instamine?

monero is more of a highly inflationary unfair cripplemined fastmine than a instamine.

You have not answered my question. More deflection as usual. Typical from a hypocrite.

thanks. after reading anonymints back and forth with you guys i was under the impression that pruning the bc was questionable and he seems to think it can't be done. it way over my head but he does seem to know his stuff. to clarify he did say it's not possible right? i saw the bbr guy pruned or is pruning some stuff but anonymint claims it's not near enough, correct?

i've seen people talk about the transaction provability part several times but forget the specific phrase they used. i'll check into it and get back to you.

so if i send you some xmr for something and you say you did not get it is there a transaction hash on the bc i can point to and prove it?

thanks for your time.

Both AnonyMint and I agree that pruning, in the Bitcoin sense of the term, is not possible with any of the CryptoNote currencies. That does not mean that other reductions in storage aren't possible, but there will always be a need to keep more data than with Bitcoin and its clones. Specifically, the utxoset *and* the key image set is required, and the key image set is unpruneable. The pruning that BBR does is to remove ring signature proofs, a purely linear pruning and one that I am hesitant about from a cryptographic soundness perspective.

You get a transaction ID for your transaction, most definitely. Here's a transaction of 335 XMR sent to my Monero address (49VNLa9K5ecJo13bwKYt5HCmA8GkgLwpyFjgGKG6qmp8dqoXww8TKPU2PJaLfAAtoZGgtHfJ1nYY8G2 YaewycB4f72yFT6u) on all 3 block explorers:

http://monerochain.info/tx/047c2c11632120f7cd1565c312f94f76135a45f0b2194bbe958826280878fc3d
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/047c2c11632120f7cd1565c312f94f76135a45f0b2194bbe958826280878fc3d
https://minergate.com/blockchain/mro/transaction/047c2c11632120f7cd1565c312f94f76135a45f0b2194bbe958826280878fc3d

As you can see, there's no way to track where it came from, where it went to, or even ascertain the correct amount. However, the very act of being able to provide the transaction ID to me (coupled with me receiving it) is normally sufficient to prove a transaction, since only the sender and recipient will know the transaction ID and the amount.

Of course, this isn't the robust or cryptographically sound way of doing it, which is why we're adding tooling to allow someone to reveal the one-time key (which is different to the transaction ID) for their transaction, and the person (or persons) they send that key to can see the exactly details of their transaction on a blockchain explorer or similar. In other words, this functionality is inherent in the protocol and in each transaction, but we just have to give people the ability to both retrieve this information and for someone else to verify it.

great info man, thanks. the one-time key feature will solve the provability problem i've seen brought up but i still can't think of the damn technical name they were using
sounds like what bitshares x is doing with a secret key to prove transaction to a third party type escrow. the whole anon scene is very exciting!

only other real issues is the bloating and (visa level) scalability that anonymint always talks about. what are y'alls plans to fix that?
the crippled hash things is fixed (right?) and doesn't concern me as it only affected like 2% from what i saw which is super fair in the cryptocoin world.
the only other thing i can think of now is the issue of inflation,  4 years pow if i'm not mistaken?
 some have also questioned the pow algo cryptonite because i guess it's new and cryptographically unproven but getting professionally audited at some point?
seems like y'all have a great team working on things and i'll definitely consider putting some btc into your project.


what's your thoughts on bitshares x anon feature titan?

http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/TITAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDvXZMQNnhE

Delegated Proof of Stake - Let's Talk Bitcoin Episode 129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdBpoRLmrbA&list=WL#t=726

No one scammed you nor has anyone lied to you about the "cripple mine". But of course you can cry if you wish.

Here is a tissue 

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Yes, I would like to see my investment do well, excuse me for that.

This is really the best time for "trolls" to get the best bang for their buck. Development is happening behind the scenes, so they have plenty of time to play up the undeveloped aspects of Dash, which, just like most cryptos, is still in beta.

There has been quite a while in between releases, which is unusual for Dash.

The problem for the "trolls" is the reason for the delay between releases. Dash Evolution will be so different from anything else that has been done before, line after line of code has to be re-written. What Evan is building will be revolutionary, and this scares anyone who opposes this coin.

Now, the "trolls" can also counter "Nothing's been documented, so vaporware."

Absolutely correct. However, the details will be revealed in less than 2 months in Miami. So, in reality, the time of plenty for the "trolls" is running out. The world will see Evan's genius at these conferences, and Dash will be stronger than ever.

Enjoy yourselves in the meantime, "trolls".

Tick, tock.

[Sub-Ether]

Bitcoin Maximalism...
An excellent example of this problem solving is DASH.  There are inherent weaknesses in Bitcoin that have been revealed after field testing.  Transaction speed and fungibility are easy to point out.  DASH has implemented vast improvements in these (and other) areas that Bitcoin will find challenging to absorb.  Therefore, it must be crushed.

All good points, also can Evolution solve the malleability problems of bitcoin?
If the transactions are signed and agreed upon within seconds, must the transaction ID stay the same as the same transaction can produce a different ID with bitcoin, no doubt the whitepaper will explain this...

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/the-who-what-why-and-how-of-the-ongoing-transaction-malleability-attack-1444253640
''Bitcoin developers have been working to reduce transaction malleability among standard transaction types, but a complete fix is still only in the planning stages. At present, new transactions should not depend on previous transactions which have not been added to the block chain yet, especially if large amounts of satoshis are at stake.
Transaction malleability also affects payment tracking. Bitcoin Core’s RPC interface lets you track transactions by their txid—but if that txid changes because the transaction was modified, it may appear that the transaction has disappeared from the network.''

[toknormal]

I got "attacker-economist-theoried" at the newsagent's this morning.

Paid with cash and somebody spotted me getting change of my €10 note - even though it wasn't in their economic interests to do so.

Rumbled

Better ditch the cash and pay with credit next time  

[Sub-Ether]

Did you guys notice that Andreas M. Antonopoulos and Eric Voorhees are going to Mexico, there is a hell of a lineup of big names now,
has Evan got his big hat ready to go yet?  

And attendee Trace Mayer has updated Exeters Pyramid, once again shows that cryptocurrencies dont even exist on the financial radar yet.

[GhostPlayer]

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[Otoh]

Cryptsy withdrawals update, today I received another 600 Dash requested a couple of days before, now just 3,100 Dash & 6 BTC to go, it's slow going but is getting there, even despite their apparent "Server Failure" yesterday.

[afreer]

Does anyone have any info on what we are to expect with Evolution?

Evan left some clues already:

Requirements:
- Fungibility - All units of the current must be interchangeable (after sending coins they shouldn't have history attached)
- Speed - The currency must be able to compete with credit cards (1-5 second double-spend proof confirmations)
- Governance - The currency must be governed in a decentralized and decisive way
- Funding - The currency must have a permanent decentralized funding source for development, marketing, legal, etc
- Scalability - The currency must be able to scale to billions of transactions per day with 100% decentralization
- Ease Of Use - The currency must be usable by normal every day people

I've been working on DAPI for the last 3 months and there are 8 other devs including Evan working together on Evolution in it's entirety that I have met so far, plus around 40 other people I count in the Dash team contributing to varying degrees behind the scenes, I don't think that's obvious here on Bitcointalk  

I think Evan will start to release details publicly starting with the Miami conference, what i can say from my view is I think that Evolution will be the first time a crypto-currency will be capable to satisfy a mainstream user-base, enough so that I am winding up my day-job to do this full time in Q1 and there is another dev last week that did the same who is the lead Android dev at his company and more people will follow i'm sure.  

What I am expecting from Evolution is to break the barrier to mainstream adoption that all crypto currencies have faced up to now, and I think that's why most of the other devs are here too, although I can only speak for myself

[afreer]

A new budget proposal is out there, guys ... and it really smells like a daaaangerous precedent  

https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery

It's a very provocative way to discredit Principles of Dash Budgeting System. But If we assumes it as a joke and as a way to make a buzz - let's vote NO .

It would be better if somebody organizes more serious lottery - for example a "Why I love Dash?" amateur short-video-clips contest.

I think it's to make a buzz too Alex and encourage people to use the new system

If I'm correct, Dashwhale has been the only source of proposals outside of the core team so far.

The system was implemented to enable true decentralized organizational control of Dash in the long term and there are no rules as to what can be proposed.

The more proposals there are, the more competition there is for good ideas on how Dash is operated and managed, and it's the Dash Network that decides what gets funded, autonomously. To my knowledge it's the first time anything like this has existed so the more we use it and mature it, the better.

Have your say, make a proposal, and please vote

Decentralized Governance by Blockchain:

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8585240

Make a proposal:

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Masternode+Budget+API

[dashwhale]

Yes, thats absolutely correct, afreer!

But if all tiny proposals are smashed, we inhibit innovation culture. Even if a proposal seems to be junk, it's worth to spend a few DASH on it and to see what's the outcome. In many times, new ideas spin out, which might lead to serious improvements of the DASH ecosystem.

I strongly encourage all masternode owners to allow 50-100 DASH to be spent each month on 1-3 tiny junk proposals, to educate people on using the budget system and provide soil for innovation!

Yours,
Rango

[Quicken]

Monero is dead in the water...good riddance, I say...

https://forum.bitcoin.com/ama-ask-me-anything/i-m-gary-le-co-founder-of-moneta-the-world-s-first-implementation-of-zerocoin-ama-t2408.html

Zerocoin's likely gonna be more bloated than XMR is.

You hope! LOL, you better fucking hope as well  

And what do you base your idea on? Hopes and dreams because you hate XMR? Get your head out of your ass - just because a few supporters hate DASH doesn't mean the coin is bad.

Hey...you are that guy who had that super-optimised Vertminer, and refused to share it with the community, aren't you? I don't like you at all. I don't hate XMR. But what I dfo hate is when malicious trolls infect the threads of what they see a their competitor coins. Everybody who is into crypto should be working together for the ultimate success of crypto itself, not stabbing each other in the back, which is what you guys seems to think is necessary.

I still have one for v2, what's it to you?

Besides, I hate it when they do so, as well - you say "you guys" like XMR is full of these people. It's not. It's the assholes that are the loudest, is all.

no one in the 'core' leadership has come out and distanced themselves from the trolling, they have taken part in it.....

I haven't seen smooth or fluffypony or the others constantly coming here and saying the same shit. iCEBREAKER and dnalor, yeah, maybe.

According to the Dash anti-criticism brigade, anyone who is critical about anything related to Dash is a troll who is trolling. Especially core team members who are secretly from Finland and living in a castle.

I've been critical of it, but at least some of my concerns were answered quickly by Evan, who had pretty reasonable answers. Unfortunately, he seems to be the only one with any idea how it works.

I heard that you are really young. Maybe you should stop posting in forums until you've grown up a bit?

Not that young. Besides, you haven't even presented any argument - unless you consider a vague assertion of immaturity an argument.

I'd rather not argue (with a child), if you don't mind. I believe I've stated my position clearly enough. Goodbye.

It takes a truly weak mind to base their arguments purely on someone's age. Congratulations volvoya, you will fit right in with the rest of these Darktards!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384298/Student-15-way-Harvard-accepted-13-universities.html

Young people may be good at some things, it's true. But because they don't have much life-experience, they always lack wisdom (and not only young people).

Ahem:

@ altCoin UK. Take a Xanax, dude.

Is anyone over 18 here?

Stop being so ageist. Why can't young people create something of value? Answer...they CAN. now pls...STFU

[noobtrader]

Yes, thats absolutely correct, afreer!

But if all tiny proposals are smashed, we inhibit innovation culture. Even if a proposal seems to be junk, it's worth to spend a few DASH on it and to see what's the outcome. In many times, new ideas spin out, which might lead to serious improvements of the DASH ecosystem.

I strongly encourage all masternode owners to allow 50-100 DASH to be spent each month on 1-3 tiny junk proposals, to educate people on using the budget system and provide soil for innovation!

Yours,
Rango

btw i just visit this newly created games site which accept btc...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1010288.new#new

it would be nice if someone can create similiar or maybe ask him to implement dash

[volyova]

Monero is dead in the water...good riddance, I say...

https://forum.bitcoin.com/ama-ask-me-anything/i-m-gary-le-co-founder-of-moneta-the-world-s-first-implementation-of-zerocoin-ama-t2408.html

Zerocoin's likely gonna be more bloated than XMR is.

You hope! LOL, you better fucking hope as well  

And what do you base your idea on? Hopes and dreams because you hate XMR? Get your head out of your ass - just because a few supporters hate DASH doesn't mean the coin is bad.

Hey...you are that guy who had that super-optimised Vertminer, and refused to share it with the community, aren't you? I don't like you at all. I don't hate XMR. But what I dfo hate is when malicious trolls infect the threads of what they see a their competitor coins. Everybody who is into crypto should be working together for the ultimate success of crypto itself, not stabbing each other in the back, which is what you guys seems to think is necessary.

I still have one for v2, what's it to you?

Besides, I hate it when they do so, as well - you say "you guys" like XMR is full of these people. It's not. It's the assholes that are the loudest, is all.

no one in the 'core' leadership has come out and distanced themselves from the trolling, they have taken part in it.....

I haven't seen smooth or fluffypony or the others constantly coming here and saying the same shit. iCEBREAKER and dnalor, yeah, maybe.

According to the Dash anti-criticism brigade, anyone who is critical about anything related to Dash is a troll who is trolling. Especially core team members who are secretly from Finland and living in a castle.

I've been critical of it, but at least some of my concerns were answered quickly by Evan, who had pretty reasonable answers. Unfortunately, he seems to be the only one with any idea how it works.

I heard that you are really young. Maybe you should stop posting in forums until you've grown up a bit?

Not that young. Besides, you haven't even presented any argument - unless you consider a vague assertion of immaturity an argument.

I'd rather not argue (with a child), if you don't mind. I believe I've stated my position clearly enough. Goodbye.

It takes a truly weak mind to base their arguments purely on someone's age. Congratulations volvoya, you will fit right in with the rest of these Darktards!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384298/Student-15-way-Harvard-accepted-13-universities.html

Young people may be good at some things, it's true. But because they don't have much life-experience, they always lack wisdom (and not only young people).

Ahem:

@ altCoin UK. Take a Xanax, dude.

Is anyone over 18 here?

Stop being so ageist. Why can't young people create something of value? Answer...they CAN. now pls...STFU

What is this...a character assassination?? You appear to be very interested in me, I knw I should feel flattered but it rally creeps me out! LEL

[BrainShutdown]

Does anyone have any info on what we are to expect with Evolution?

Evan left some clues already:

Requirements:
- Fungibility - All units of the current must be interchangeable (after sending coins they shouldn't have history attached)
- Speed - The currency must be able to compete with credit cards (1-5 second double-spend proof confirmations)
- Governance - The currency must be governed in a decentralized and decisive way
- Funding - The currency must have a permanent decentralized funding source for development, marketing, legal, etc
- Scalability - The currency must be able to scale to billions of transactions per day with 100% decentralization
- Ease Of Use - The currency must be usable by normal every day people

I've been working on DAPI for the last 3 months and there are 8 other devs including Evan working together on Evolution in it's entirety that I have met so far, plus around 40 other people I count in the Dash team contributing to varying degrees behind the scenes, I don't think that's obvious here on Bitcointalk  

I think Evan will start to release details publicly starting with the Miami conference, what i can say from my view is I think that Evolution will be the first time a crypto-currency will be capable to satisfy a mainstream user-base, enough so that I am winding up my day-job to do this full time in Q1 and there is another dev last week that did the same who is the lead Android dev at his company and more people will follow i'm sure.  

What I am expecting from Evolution is to break the barrier to mainstream adoption that all crypto currencies have faced up to now, and I think that's why most of the other devs are here too, although I can only speak for myself

Great!

Thank you for taking the time to share this info with us and i wish a good work to all involved in Evolution