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[LimLims]

InternetApe / LimLims,

Perhaps you can set-up a publicly available web-analytics view of the darkcoin.io website?
(e.g. Webalizer, Open Web Analytics, etc.).


I would love to see (and probably also many other community members here) stats of how many people find interest in the content of the Darkcoin site, which countries they come from, how many new vs. old visitors, etc...

Good question. I don't have access to the web server but I can give you a peek at the subreddit traffic stats:

[HammerHedd]

http://darkcoin.mine.nu/poolhash.html

This is pool hashrate (sum of pool's hash. coinmine, such, lottery, mininghub, official, p2pool, cpupool)

update : 10 min.
recent block : when block found.

https://i.imgur.com/Mlaq9y3.png

Updated

"last 100 blocks found by"
update : when block found.

need hash distribution.

+5 DRK for you, dude. Thanks for all you do with p2pool

[HammerHedd]

Short of a mathematically provable algo, my assumption is that full information + clever guys + lots of servers will be able to unravel any path information. From an anonymity standpoint the whole txout->txin system is absolutely horrible. Its like if you looked at a $100 USD bill with a microscope you could see every transaction it was involved in! This is why some theorize bitcoin was invented by one of the TLA's

For example, at some point the funds come out of the stealth address to a public destination. Even if knapsacking analysis is prevented by streams of identical denominations, there is still timing analysis.

That is partly the reason that darkcoin is 99% anonymous. You run into the lock and key problem:

Any security system !ANY! is only designed to defeat a certain level of motivation, an anticipated level of attack. No system can be 100%. In the lock and key analogy, if you really build an impenetrable lock system, an supremely determined attacker will simply attack the door itself. You can build security against a reasonable level of attack, but you cannot protect against any attack. It simply isn't possible.

The goal is to make it more costly to attack something than any potential gain. That's why you can put a chain lock on your beat up bicycle and an expensive alarm on your Ferrari. Darkcoin cannot reasonably expect to defeat the full computing power of the NSA armed with quantum computers backed by picobytes of datastorage to analyze every single transaction within the network and calculate probabilities for in and out addresses. That being said, we will probably never have that kind of scrutiny - in fact, it is likely that most of that power is busy collecting information on Russia, China, etc. While it is theorietically possible for darksend to be cracked, it is highly improbable that it will ever be cracked because the incentive isn't there.

That, and most everyone else is incapable of cracking it.

Try to defeat OpenBSD ;-)

http://www.openbsd.org/

hahaha I"m not bagging on good tech (I run pfsense as a firewall) - I'm just saying that if someone really wanted to get into your system, they would break into your house and do it. But that is an unreasonable act, and you probably don't have anything on your system worth a felony B&E conviction, so no one will. Plus, it would be additionally difficult to find you , etc, etc.

My point is that nothing is 100% - and that it really doesn't need to be.

[coins101]

Rather than fill this thread with a long post on my thoughts about a short term strategy for Darkcoin, in order to encourage discussion, I posted it in a separate thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523467.msg5801959#msg5801959

My view is that thinking about a strategy or engaging in discussions about one is important for people that want to hold Darkcoin for a long time. I think this is where Litecoin has failed and is the cause for it not capitalizing on its history and support.

Evan has said that he will do what the community wants after Darksend. Any and all thoughts welcome, please.

[Terzo]

Can you miner darkcoin with this knc miner titan? https://www.kncminer.com/products/titan

[n00bnoxious]

Can you miner darkcoin with this knc miner titan? https://www.kncminer.com/products/titan

No - that ASIC can ONLY do scrypt coins. There are no ASICs for DRK, and unlikely to be for a long time.

[hashnine]

Try to defeat OpenBSD ;-)

http://www.openbsd.org/

Try to use google, because OpenBSD was hacked a lot of times.

saying "try to defeat OpenBSD" you prove you're not a hacker or a security engineer and as you talk without know.

[jl777]

Not that I condone the use of this coin for anything illegal. It is a form of cash so people can choose to do whatever they want with it.

With that said - take a look at this article: http://www.pfhub.com/2-trillion-flows-through-the-u-s-black-market-annually-and-the-governments-focus-is-bitcoin-421/

Imagine if some of that value flowed back into DarkCoin!

Here in Argentina there is a "blackmarket" in our peso!
There is an official conversion rate set by govt, but it is artificial and only tourists use that rate
Actual market rates fluctuate, anywhere from 50% to 70% more pesos per USD, pretty much everybody uses the unofficial "cambios" to exchange at market prices. They are everywhere.

Here, USD is controlled like it is an illegal substance! I guess that makes us all criminals here.

James

[mannie]

Can I make a suggestion about the new website?

I think the one being built at http://darkcoin.us/io/ could be a lot better.

There are some great responsive bootstrap themes that can be added to wordpress. All you need to do is add logo and content.

https://wrapbootstrap.com/tag/responsive

http://themeforest.net/search?category=wordpress&direction=desc&order_by=best-match&term=responsive&utf8=%E2%9C%93



One of these could be modified for DRK quite well.

http://themeforest.net/item/krypton-responsive-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/full_screen_preview/6899059

http://themeforest.net/item/cabana-responsive-creative-wordpress-theme/full_screen_preview/6961548



The theme could be funded by the marketing pool. I would happily customise this theme for DRK in a heartbeat if it meant getting a professional looking website up tomorrow.


EDIT: Or this one, changing the yellow to something more DRK. It even mentions my home town in the demo:

http://demo.rocknrolladesigns.com/wordpress/jarvis/text-slider/

[chaeplin]

http://darkcoin.mine.nu/poolhash.html

This is pool hashrate (sum of pool's hash. coinmine, such, lottery, mininghub, official, p2pool, cpupool)

update : 10 min.
recent block : when block found.

https://i.imgur.com/Mlaq9y3.png

Updated

"last 100 blocks found by"
update : when block found.

need hash distribution.

https://i.imgur.com/CFiWl7N.png

+5 DRK for you, dude. Thanks for all you do with p2pool

Thank you

Check again. New graph

[AlexGR]

of miners from other coins. Vertcoin already nearly doubled in value and gained 40%+ market cap. Bitcoinscrypt got +400% market cap
Unfortunately we were not affected by these news in anyway 

Vertcoin was listed on coinwarz...

[sangoku]

Try to defeat OpenBSD ;-)

http://www.openbsd.org/

Try to use google, because OpenBSD was hacked a lot of times.

saying "try to defeat OpenBSD" you prove you're not a hacker or a security engineer and as you talk without know.

Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!

[alphacenturion]

Has anyone made a paper wallet generator for DRK? I want to put some of my holding in cold storage.

[Minotaur26]

Can you miner darkcoin with this knc miner titan? https://www.kncminer.com/products/titan

No - that ASIC can ONLY do scrypt coins. There are no ASICs for DRK, and unlikely to be for a long time.

I believe the benefits of a cryptocoin should be divided in benefits to the miners, benefits to the speculators and benefits to the end users who will actually try to buy and sell real world assets with the currency.  The big benefit of Bitcoin to the end users is offering the ability to transfer money over the internet in whatever amount you want separate form the traditional financial system regulations and boundaries and it does that very well.

ASIC resistant coins offer no additional benefits to the end users they do exactly the same, they really just give the existing mining community a currency to redirect their hashing power to, once asics are implemented and the rationale is that a currency that will have a somewhat guaranteed mining community should have mid term viability as an alternative to Bitcoin with a decent sized market cap and that is all good and I think there will be a market for that but it doesn't add anything that Bitcoin does not do already for the non-tech user who wants real world applications.

Darkcoin on the other hand is trying to offer anonymous ledger and that is big differentiation because it provides value for people as a way to store wealth outside of the regulated financial structure (banks, goverments.) in a much more practical way than storing large amounts of cash. It is actually better than cash because is way easier to move around. So to me the great value is not necessarily to spend darkcoins, long term you can use fiat or bitcoins if you just want to do the groceries. I think darkcoin should be a way to store and hold money anonymously and you can convert to other currencies when you really need to spend. That way we could attract new capital that is currently not in the cryptoworld and not really compete with existing coins.

That is why IMHO we have a lot riding on the release of Darksend and we should take the time to do it right, because if Darksend does not work as expected then we are just another cryptocoin with no real value proposition.

BTW I am willing to run a campaign in Latin America once Darksend is released.

[AlexGR]

That is why IMHO we have a lot riding on the release of Darksend and we should take the time to do it right, because if Darksend does not work as expected then we are just another cryptocoin with no real value proposition.

What you say would be 100% true if DRK was an scrypt clone, but it's not. There are other differences as well, beyond DarkSend. Quark went on the market with 6 hashes to say it's ultra-secure, yet DRK has 11. This makes DRK a much safer coin than most (if not all) and also positions itself as a hedge against single-hashing currencies which are open to the possibility of having a catastrophic failure in case of a problematic hash. I mean if there is a market for Quark, why shouldn't there be for DRK - which is better than Quark in what Quark was supposed to provide in terms of security and safety?

The economic model behind DRK is also less inflationary in the mid-term which will allow it to be a good store of value.

Anonymity is the #1 feature of course, but it's not the only one. Otherwise if anonymity was the only criterion where a coin has real value proposition, then every coin in coinmarketcap would not have real value proposition according to this rationale.

The fact is that coins like litecoin, quark and vertcoin were promoted just because they used a different algorithm. Darkcoin introduced a different algorithm (which may be better than scrypt, scrypt-n or quark's) and yet it goes under the radar / unnoticed / not-considered-as-something-important, because people are focused on the anonymity aspect.

ASIC resistant coins offer no additional benefits to the end users they do exactly the same, they really just give the existing mining community a currency to redirect their hashing power to

This is a deeper issue of distributing the monetary base to more miners rather than a few centralized ASIC mining farms.

[DieCommieScum]

Going to put a run of these together if there's enough interest. If I get 15 orders I can get these to US residents for $23usd (payable in BTC or DRK, can use Moolah for Escrow), non-us residents we just need to figure out a shipping surcharge.

Sizes are up to 4xl

If you want in, shoot me a PM or email me at my handle name @ cointrepid.com

EDIT: Design updated to include website text

UPDATE I've had a few requests from folks in Europe, it seems most European countries would add $10 to the shipping, so shipping to the EU is available for a total of $33 (countries I've checked so far are the UK, Germany, and Belgium)

Canada only adds $5 to the shipping, so for Canadians it would be $28

We're almost at the minimum, just a few more orders needed.

I'm going to start reaching out for shipping information and payments, and will buy a few extra shirts just to get the order in which i'll put up for sale after the fact. Any one else interested in getting in on this buy please PM or email me ASAP.

Last Call.

[coins101]

of miners from other coins. Vertcoin already nearly doubled in value and gained 40%+ market cap. Bitcoinscrypt got +400% market cap
Unfortunately we were not affected by these news in anyway 

Vertcoin was listed on coinwarz...

Bitcoin-scrypt is going through the initial pump+dump+forget

[AlexGR]

of miners from other coins. Vertcoin already nearly doubled in value and gained 40%+ market cap. Bitcoinscrypt got +400% market cap
Unfortunately we were not affected by these news in anyway  

Vertcoin was listed on coinwarz...

Bitcoin-scrypt is going through the initial pump+dump+forget

A lot of coins got pumped in the last 24 hours or so... aurora, 42, vert, bitcoin-scrypt, kittehcoin etc. Bitcoin whales find it hard to trade btc/fiat for profit so they have to make some gains with alt pumps. Interestingly they tried it with coins that were in a severe downtrend for quite a while in order to play it safe.

[godzirra]

Tried to buy all the cheap Darkcoin on Cryptsy... something is seriously wrong there.

[coins101]

Tried to buy all the cheap Darkcoin on Cryptsy... something is seriously wrong there.

had same problem.