[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[conbos]

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

Welcome to my Ignore List!    

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[conbos]

On a different note...
is there any news concerning the final and definitive stakeholder list?
Considering what UP told us in the developmental update; if we expect the alpha launch for late april; will we need some weeks in advance to have the definitive list of stakeholders, some time to discuss all the complaints and then, another time for the assignation of new stakes to the people in t the waiting list. Or is there some another announcement that I lost? 

[TauMuon]

On a different note...
is there any news concerning the final and definitive stakeholder list?
Considering what UP told us in the developmental update; if we expect the alpha launch for late april; will we need some weeks in advance to have the definitive list of stakeholders, some time to discuss all the complaints and then, another time for the assignation of new stakes to the people in t the waiting list. Or is there some another announcement that I lost?  

I'm pretty sure he said the Development Contract will be announced a couple of weeks prior to the alpha launch... Considering there is no definitive ETA for the alpha launch, there isn't a definitive ETA for the Development Contract either.

Quote here:

Development update:

The development contract announcement will be delayed. My plan is to have the announcement when we have a clear road map of NEM development going forward and preferably within 1-2 weeks of the alpha launch. Unfortunately, at this point we don't have an ETA for the alpha launch yet and consequently, the formal announcement is delayed. My guesstimate of the Alpha is still on later part of April but there are quite a few things that needs to be worked on before we can make a solid ETA.

Hope this helps.

[TauMuon]

Guys, just press 'ignore' for the trolls (especially brand new accounts). Don't quote them and spread their nonsense, it's what they want.

[qiwoman]

I am an early stakeholder but I am not very techy at all. I only know  download file - extract lol. Will there be an easy to explain guide for us crypto ladies who are not so very well versed in code?

[twistelaar]

Any updates?! When is the launch of this coin? Waiting a long time now.

[lx001]

Any updates?! When is the launch of this coin? Waiting a long time now.

is it SO hard to read the original post?

[mindblown]

Their is an article on CoinDesk right now about the carbon footprint of bitcoin. Some of you guys and gals can post additional comments in the discussion about the benefits of NEM.
http://www.coindesk.com/carbon-footprint-bitcoin/

Good!!!  I feeling strong about this. I agree we should all make a comment on this article.

[Ged]

Hi NEM's followers !
Can my stake be stolen if my account on BTCtalk broken / or each others ?
Maybe we should identificate somehow, all of stakeholders ? That way we will know each other more 'deeply' and make community stronger !
What do you think ?

[gimre]

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

because they are busy writing actual code you <insert_applicable_epithet_here>

[ashapasa]

 

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

because they are busy writing actual code you <insert_applicable_epithet_here>

 

[gimre]

BTW, I've made short stats for ONE (most active) of internal boards:
138 cards with 1221 comments

is it much or not, I'm letting for you to decide

bitbucket altogether issues: around 60

[j23a]

Hi NEM's followers !
Can my stake be stolen if my account on BTCtalk broken / or each others ?
Maybe we should identificate somehow, all of stakeholders ? That way we will know each other more 'deeply' and make community stronger !
What do you think ?

i suggest all stake holders pm a code to the devs and have the devs put them in a private excel sheet or something after the final list is made and then delete the mail... just have to send the code to the devs from new acc then if stolen.. no personal details given

That sounds like an insane amount of extra work for Utopianfuture. People should just be responsible about making sure they have a good password and that their accounts are safe.

If something happens to a person's account, I'm sure that person can resend a small amount of Bitcoin or NXT to verify them.

But now, making another list of 3,000 stakeholders and assigning a code to them sounds like unnecessary work just to protect one or two careless people.

[jkoil]

Hi NEM's followers !
Can my stake be stolen if my account on BTCtalk broken / or each others ?
Maybe we should identificate somehow, all of stakeholders ? That way we will know each other more 'deeply' and make community stronger !
What do you think ?

i suggest all stake holders pm a code to the devs and have the devs put them in a private excel sheet or something after the final list is made and then delete the mail... just have to send the code to the devs from new acc then if stolen.. no personal details given

That sounds like an insane amount of extra work for Utopianfuture. People should just be responsible about making sure they have a good password and that their accounts are safe.

If something happens to a person's account, I'm sure that person can resend a small amount of Bitcoin or NXT to verify them.

But now, making another list of 3,000 stakeholders and assigning a code to them sounds like unnecessary work just to protect one or two careless people.

yes, that has been used earlier to ensure the ownership.




I'm remembering that in the instructions was adviced to take care of one's accounts.

[xzhybbs]

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

NEM will be a great coin, let us quietly waiting! Believe that you may be one of the shareholders of that part of the banned!

[Jaguar0625]

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

because they are busy writing actual code you <insert_applicable_epithet_here>

Current development statistics:

Source Code Lines (Excluding Blanks and Comments)
NIS: 5854; NCC: 1506

Test Code Lines (Excluding Blanks and Comments)
NIS: 8180; NCC: 360

Total Number of Tests
NIS: 602; NCC: 24

[makoto1337]

I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform.  I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance.  I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one.  For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist.  

After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point.  Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin.  Both are digital platforms for transferring money.  



This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted.  M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't.  At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".

Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done.  It is too slow and too difficult to use.  M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text.  Banking on the go.  I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money.  That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer.  I believe in it that much.  

I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it.  If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first.  Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM.  

I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes.  So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units.  People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere.  Those rates were locked in.  Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that.  And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start.  (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo)  Anyway, I think I am rambling now.  Just some thoughts to think on.  

Totally agree that NEM should be easy to use on the go to transfer NEM to people in real life as you meet them.

[TauMuon]

NEM is a scam! nothing new except for the stupid discussion of stakeholder!
most members of the team of NEM(jaguar0625, bloodyrookie, thies1965, borzalom, gimre makoto and minusbalancer), except UP, are inactive! it seems that UP hopes to fund more money taking advantage of the   exiting strong community(ie, there is a waiting list).
anyway, UP doesnot deserve our trust!

because they are busy writing actual code you <insert_applicable_epithet_here>

Current development statistics:

Source Code Lines (Excluding Blanks and Comments)
NIS: 5854; NCC: 1506

Test Code Lines (Excluding Blanks and Comments)
NIS: 8180; NCC: 360

Total Number of Tests
NIS: 602; NCC: 24

Awesome, thanks for the update! Thanks for your work! NIS = NEM Infrastructure System..?

[dannyjr89]

After the actual stakeholder list is published there will be refunds for some people. Registration will open back up for the people on the waiting list to fill the empty positions. More funds are actually being gathered this way since the price joining in will be higher. I think the new funds should all be placed in escrow. Anyone else agree?

[makoto1337]

Seriously, why are we not going to launch with an app? If the reason is that it can't be done then I can understand. But I would love to hear why it would be a good idea to launch without one? I don't think the argument that we won't fail if we launch without one is good enough. Seriously, when NEM launches it should be READY for non-crypto users. READY for non-technical users. No one has said to rush this. Is it NOT possible to have one ready when we lauch? Is taking into account security of the app too much to have it ready? If that is the reason fine. I can understand. But I can't see the reasoning beyond that. Let's have this discussion. Maybe I am off base here, but I worry that some of us are so tech savvy that we have a hard time knowing the importance of making things simple for non-technical users. Like we just can't realize how others don't get things that are so easy for us tech guys to understand. So we don't place enough importance on it. IMO, an app would set us apart, and at the same time, allow new people to easily adopt NEM. If you agree, say something. I am new to cryptos, and this is one thing from a long list I plan to bring up to help NEM break the crypto mold.

I have to agree, even though I dont know how will we reach those non tech people immediatly after launch, I think it will be boiling here in crypto community for some time, until we are ready to push it more to mainstream. Talking mainstream are there any plans on how to push NEM further, behind the walls of current crypto scene here on BTT?

Seriously, you hit the nail right on the head. What are we going to do to spread NEM beyond the crypto community? This is a VERY big question. I am new to cryptos. I think I am seeing things differently than others here. What I am picking up in general is the "can't see the forest through the trees" situation. Let me be clear. NEM is much farther than other coins in the sense that it is breaking the mold in many ways already. Utopian has a lot on his plate. He has been very successful in creating a coin that has the POTENTIAL to break out of the crypto circle. I have breifly gone over the trello board as well. There are many interesting ideas there. Good ones. There is just so much to do.

What I see as a challenge is a few things. Theres is so much work to do when it comes to development in the first place. This is understandably taking up much of the focus. Also, I think the larger issue is, probably not Utopian, but many can't see it in their mind. They have seen EVERY coin they have been involved with talk about this I would imagine, and fail. They are just focused on making this a success here. In the back of their mind, I just think pushing for a coin to be adopted by the public is something so big that it is a waste of time. At the very least, something we should worry about LATER. This is the first thing. The time to start to take this to the general public is now. It will take us weeks to indentify things such as: What does our Marketing Sales Funnel look like. What does the "buying cycle" look like? Who are our different target audiences? Who is in charge of our newsletter?  The list goes on.

We should have already hired a search engine optimization firm to optimize our website and begin the campaign. We should have our army of stakeholders writing articles on different subjects related to cryptos and NEM.

Seriously, what we have to figure out is this: What is our message? How are we going to spread this message? How do we track the success of the that message being spread effectively? Who are we targeting with our message?

These are just the basics, and I'm leaving things out. The major point is we have to believe that it is possible. ANY coin that hired a professional marketing company, I mean a good one, could overtake Bitcoin easily.

The main challenge I believe is the decentralized nature of cryptos. This is why this hasn't happened yet. But it will. Utopian looks like a capable leader. NEM is lucky. This is VERY hard to find.

We need to find a good marketing company to take this mainstream. If not, I can help but as with everyone my time is limited. We CAN do this together. However, I would suggest that we leave it to pros if we really want NEM to reach its goals. But either way, we need to start now.

And of course, once we have a "buyer", it should be a simple as downloading an app.

The first step is to beleive!!! Really believe!!!

One idea that was passed around earlier was to start a NEM cooperative village in a remote location, like Bhutan. If we can allow people who can't use technology to be able to use NEM, that would be great. For example, when the iPad came out, one writer in Africa said he gave it to a person who never used a computer before and couldn't read or write, but the person was able to use the iPad because of the intuitive interface. It'd be great to do a similar thing with a NEM app.