Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Clement Kaliyar]

Why can't we have 110 overs per day in test cricket? The matches can start 1:30 hours before the normal time, and it will be possible to get that many overs. For the fast bowlers, obviously it is going to be tough. But many of the present day bowlers have very short run-ups (Jasprit Bumrah, Umesh Yadav.etc) and it may be possible for them to deliver 20-25 overs per day without much damage.

Think about the situation if you are a bowler, to bowl 90 overs in a day is a big deal and to add another 20 overs is really taxing and we do not need to do these silly experiments in the name of revamping the game, lets state the facts, you are not adding new fans by adding more hours in a day as no one is able to spend the present time allocated and if it is a 5 day game and if there is holiday then people who are interested will watch the game and they need to include for day night Test matches than reducing the days.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Its seems almost impossible to fit 110 overs per day, like we discussed before that teams are already struggling to complete their 90 overs quota (in majority match).

This is current game play time ( 90 overs a day and 30 overs each session- 15 overs every hour)
- first session = 2 Hours
- Lunch = 40 mins
- Second session = 2 Hours
- Tea = 20 mins
- Final session =2 Hours
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- Rest = 20-40 minutes
- New proposed session = 1.30Hours

So total 7.30 hours of gameplay and give 30-45 minutes extra. Looks tough task for bowlers unless team drastically change their strategy and combination, for example fixed 5-6 regular bowlers.

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

If you take any example and that ends up in reduction of days or overs then you are bound to see more draws than ever, now a days we are seeing results in Test matches which is a good things actually, think about a situation playing hard for 5 days and still not able to see a result usually sucks unless you are supporting your home team to save them self from defeat and for that too they need to bat solidly to save the match but if you reduce the match then you wont see those special innings nor results and it will impact the game negatively.

[Sithara007]

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

If you take any example and that ends up in reduction of days or overs then you are bound to see more draws than ever, now a days we are seeing results in Test matches which is a good things actually, think about a situation playing hard for 5 days and still not able to see a result usually sucks unless you are supporting your home team to save them self from defeat and for that too they need to bat solidly to save the match but if you reduce the match then you wont see those special innings nor results and it will impact the game negatively.

We need to take in to account the rain interruptions as well, right? I am residing in India and here the rains have become very unseasonal. We are getting a lot of rains during non-Monsoon months as well. This has very badly impacted some of the domestic tournaments here. Even in Pakistan, recently a lot of matches ended up as draw due to rain interruption. And then we have countries such as Ireland, where it rains for 300 days a year. How they are supposed to finish a test match in 4 days?

[Indymoney]

Today we have some good news as Bangladesh agree to play two test matches in Pakistan as first in going to be played in Rawalpindi 7th February and second on 5th April in Karachi all other details also available as now this tour is going to be in two phases with 3 Twenty/20 and one ODI is also but this all splited which is not bad at all for local fans.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Today we have some good news as Bangladesh agree to play two test matches in Pakistan as first in going to be played in Rawalpindi 7th February and second on 5th April in Karachi all other details also available as now this tour is going to be in two phases with 3 Twenty/20 and one ODI is also but this all splited which is not bad at all for local fans.

Is this news confirmed? If Bangladesh agrees to this itinerary, then it will be good for Pakistan. They badly need the revenues. And staging matches in UAE involve a lot of expenses and in the end the PCB will end up with hardly any cash in hand. But it was perplexing why the Bangladeshis refused to play the test matches in Pakistan initially. If they have no issues with the T20 matches, then what is the problem with the test matches?

[ene1980]

If Bangladesh agrees to this itinerary, then it will be good for Pakistan. They badly need the revenues. And staging matches in UAE involve a lot of expenses and in the end the PCB will end up with hardly any cash in hand. But it was perplexing why the Bangladeshis refused to play the test matches in Pakistan initially. If they have no issues with the T20 matches, then what is the problem with the test matches?

The main loss is the stadium revenue and the ticket amount they will be missing if they are conducting in a neutral ground as it is difficult to attract fans in UAE as most of the matches i have seen are played in empty stadiums and if Bangladesh or other teams are willing to play inside Pakistan then it will be good for the cricket fans in Pakistan to enjoy the match and the cricket board will have its revenue, now Sri Lanka and Bangladesh traveled to Pakistan but other than these two nations it will be hard to get another team to play.

[Sithara007]

The main loss is the stadium revenue and the ticket amount they will be missing if they are conducting in a neutral ground as it is difficult to attract fans in UAE as most of the matches i have seen are played in empty stadiums and if Bangladesh or other teams are willing to play inside Pakistan then it will be good for the cricket fans in Pakistan to enjoy the match and the cricket board will have its revenue, now Sri Lanka and Bangladesh traveled to Pakistan but other than these two nations it will be hard to get another team to play.

Apart from Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the PCB can ask teams such as South Africa and West Indies to tour Pakistan. If they don't agree, then they can ask teams such as Afghanistan, Ireland or Zimbabwe as well. I am yet to see a proper bilateral series between Pakistan and Afghanistan, which is very surprising because these two countries share a 2,430 km long border (known as the Durand Line). What about a series, that comprises of 5 test matches, 5 ODIs and 3 T20 Internationals?

[Vishnu.Reang]

The main loss is the stadium revenue and the ticket amount they will be missing if they are conducting in a neutral ground as it is difficult to attract fans in UAE as most of the matches i have seen are played in empty stadiums and if Bangladesh or other teams are willing to play inside Pakistan then it will be good for the cricket fans in Pakistan to enjoy the match and the cricket board will have its revenue, now Sri Lanka and Bangladesh traveled to Pakistan but other than these two nations it will be hard to get another team to play.

A few months back, Sri Lanka had a successful tour of Pakistan. And in case Bangladesh also plays a few matches there, then the PCB can claim that the country is safe to conduct international matches. They can demand that teams such as Australia and England play their matches in Pakistan, rather than conducting them in the United Arab Emirates.

[Indymoney]

The main loss is the stadium revenue and the ticket amount they will be missing if they are conducting in a neutral ground as it is difficult to attract fans in UAE as most of the matches i have seen are played in empty stadiums and if Bangladesh or other teams are willing to play inside Pakistan then it will be good for the cricket fans in Pakistan to enjoy the match and the cricket board will have its revenue, now Sri Lanka and Bangladesh traveled to Pakistan but other than these two nations it will be hard to get another team to play.

A few months back, Sri Lanka had a successful tour of Pakistan. And in case Bangladesh also plays a few matches there, then the PCB can claim that the country is safe to conduct international matches. They can demand that teams such as Australia and England play their matches in Pakistan, rather than conducting them in the United Arab Emirates.

Now PCB is going with this stance in future they already announces no going to play in any neutral place all teams must visit here as now situation is under control and security agencies done hard work for this all hopefully we will have some good and positive response from all countries for this and they will came here without any fear and enjoy cricket.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Now PCB is going with this stance in future they already announces no going to play in any neutral place all teams must visit here as now situation is under control and security agencies done hard work for this all hopefully we will have some good and positive response from all countries for this and they will came here without any fear and enjoy cricket.

I don't understand the problem when the authorities are providing them the state of the art security. The chances of an attack against such a heavily guarded team is almost the same as an attack happening in Australia or New Zealand (even in New Zealand, recently we had a terrorist attack in which dozens of people were killed). Those who don't want tour can exclude themselves from the squad (similar to what some of the Sri Lankan players did).

[7788bitcoin]

Now PCB is going with this stance in future they already announces no going to play in any neutral place all teams must visit here as now situation is under control and security agencies done hard work for this all hopefully we will have some good and positive response from all countries for this and they will came here without any fear and enjoy cricket.

The situation in Pakistan is really tricky, if the teams are not willing to tour because of security reasons the Pakistan cricket board cannot do anything about it but they can take a strict decision on not playing in neutral ground and what the ICC will do in these situation is to be seen as there was already an attack against cricket players and if something goes wrong it will be a big burden for the board and considering these situation i am not expecting the ICC to force any team to tour Pakistan. They have their PSL coming up and let them conduct the entire tournament and show the whole world that they are safe for sport.

[onrise]

Now PCB is going with this stance in future they already announces no going to play in any neutral place all teams must visit here as now situation is under control and security agencies done hard work for this all hopefully we will have some good and positive response from all countries for this and they will came here without any fear and enjoy cricket.

The situation in Pakistan is really tricky, if the teams are not willing to tour because of security reasons the Pakistan cricket board cannot do anything about it but they can take a strict decision on not playing in neutral ground and what the ICC will do in these situation is to be seen as there was already an attack against cricket players and if something goes wrong it will be a big burden for the board and considering these situation i am not expecting the ICC to force any team to tour Pakistan. They have their PSL coming up and let them conduct the entire tournament and show the whole world that they are safe for sport.

First priority is safety and ICC also consider this and accordingly till now matches was not held . Yes in neutral ground the venue could be decided and tournaments could be held so that even players do not suffer in such situation .

[SaShiRaJaVu]

I don't understand the problem when the authorities are providing them the state of the art security. The chances of an attack against such a heavily guarded team is almost the same as an attack happening in Australia or New Zealand (even in New Zealand, recently we had a terrorist attack in which dozens of people were killed). Those who don't want tour can exclude themselves from the squad (similar to what some of the Sri Lankan players did).

I will not claim that all the countries are safe, if a terrorist organization targets something then you will get under fire and the problem with Pakistan is that the terrorist already targeted a visiting cricket team and in India we all know that the military was attacked by terrorist and if the military is not safe then you cannot think that a cricket team nor an individual will be safe but we have not seen anything of that sort and if something similar that happened to Srilankan team happened in India then none of the teams will tour India either nor any country for that matter.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The situation in Pakistan is really tricky, if the teams are not willing to tour because of security reasons the Pakistan cricket board cannot do anything about it but they can take a strict decision on not playing in neutral ground and what the ICC will do in these situation is to be seen as there was already an attack against cricket players and if something goes wrong it will be a big burden for the board and considering these situation i am not expecting the ICC to force any team to tour Pakistan. They have their PSL coming up and let them conduct the entire tournament and show the whole world that they are safe for sport.

The attack against the Sri Lankan players happened in 2009, which is more than a decade ago. Times have changed. The Sri Lankan team team has visited Pakistan multiple times after that incident, without any major security issues. When the Sri Lankans can visit, I don't understand the reluctance being shown by the other teams (especially Bangladesh, a country which had its own fair share of terrorist attacks).

[7788bitcoin]

The attack against the Sri Lankan players happened in 2009, which is more than a decade ago. Times have changed. The Sri Lankan team team has visited Pakistan multiple times after that incident, without any major security issues. When the Sri Lankans can visit, I don't understand the reluctance being shown by the other teams (especially Bangladesh, a country which had its own fair share of terrorist attacks).

To be frank i have not visited these countries and i am not willing to risk my life even as a tourist as we have seen attacks in news left and right and that is a real situation that we cannot hide. If the team members and the cricket board are confident that the government will provide the best security then they will sent the players, i am a cricket viewer who wages bet and i would like to see everyone visiting all the nations and that is how competition and odds will become interesting but unfortunately all the matches against Pakistan are conducted in neutral grounds and pitches are sub par which deteriorates and aides spinners from day two. I like to see the matches in Pakistan and i am sure the performance will be different and the pitches will be better.

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^^ Well.. I have also not visited either Pakistan or Bangladesh (although Bangladesh border is around 100 km from where I live). The security situation in Pakistan varies from region to region. The major cities (Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore, Rawalpindi.etc) have remained relatively free from violence. But it is an entirely different story if you go to the tribal areas.

[Sithara007]

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status.

Oh my god!! Are you serious? You are saying that Bangladesh got the test status because Pakistan deliberately lost some matches against them. This is the first time that I am hearing such allegations. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I am someone who watched the match between Pakistan and Bangladesh during the 1999 world cup. I never thought that it was fixed and I stick to my point even now. You are insulting the entire Bangladeshi team and its fans.

[JSRAW]

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A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status.

Background story might be helpful here.


SA vs Eng

England won the toss and opt to bat once again, you gotta feel for Faf, for losing second toss . now proteas have to bat at 4th-5th day again.
So far so good for English team, 61 run partnership for 1st wicket.

[Juggy777]

SA vs Eng

England won the toss and opt to bat once again, you gotta feel for Faf, for losing second toss . now proteas have to bat at 4th-5th day again.
So far so good for English team, 61 run partnership for 1st wicket.

@JSRAW I’m sure South Africa will put up a decent fight this time round, though I’ll be honest I’m not expecting them to win this test match. It’s been a while since you last updated the score here, and England have lost two wickets and currently have scored 134 runs. Further when I see both these current batman’s playing I feel they’ll be able to take England’s score 450+, and South Africa will again be chasing a big total.