Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Indymoney]

If you are not one of those football hooligans, I don't see a valid reason for not staying at home and watching the match on TV. With 5 million people infected across the globe, this pandemic is not a joke. It is the responsibility of the government to push economy back on track. But that doesn't mean that they are going to allow tens of thousands of fans to crowd around in the cricket stadiums, where the average distance between two fans will be somewhere in the vicinity of 2cm.

Not sure when the cricket will be back, even if they plan to resume there is no way we are going to see audience participation especially in Asian countries where you get a huge crowd for every match. The government is responsible to push the economy back on tract especially the manufacturing sector but they have nothing to do with sporting events.

This is really big question how and when we will be able to have live matches in grounds because its not easy for any country to set this all hopefully we will able to have matches without crowd in next few weeks as England is talking with West Indies and Pakistan I am feeling these countries will go ahead and give this a try for Spirit of Cricket like Soccer.

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[ene1980]

This is really big question how and when we will be able to have live matches in grounds because its not easy for any country to set this all hopefully we will able to have matches without crowd in next few weeks as England is talking with West Indies and Pakistan I am feeling these countries will go ahead and give this a try for Spirit of Cricket like Soccer.

In soccer, Manchester City players are back training and so does many teams started the training and if soccer can resume the tournaments then why not cricket and England and West Indies will resume their series and hopefully the other nations will follow in the coming months. I have no idea about the situation in Pakistan but if the cricket board is able to regroup then it would be great.

[JSRAW]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

ICC cricket committee dissuades use of saliva to shine ball

[Vishnu.Reang]

If you are not one of those football hooligans, I don't see a valid reason for not staying at home and watching the match on TV. With 5 million people infected across the globe, this pandemic is not a joke. It is the responsibility of the government to push economy back on track. But that doesn't mean that they are going to allow tens of thousands of fans to crowd around in the cricket stadiums, where the average distance between two fans will be somewhere in the vicinity of 2cm.

Not sure when the cricket will be back, even if they plan to resume there is no way we are going to see audience participation especially in Asian countries where you get a huge crowd for every match. The government is responsible to push the economy back on tract especially the manufacturing sector but they have nothing to do with sporting events.

In countries such as India and Bangladesh, the sports sector is huge. And in most cases, the government taxes them very heavily. They have the option to suspend the sporting events until the situation gets better. But the economic loss is going to be huge. This is one of the aspects of the economy, which never gets its own fair share of compliment. Just check how much tax revenue goes to the Indian government after each edition of the IPL, and you'll get an idea of what I meant.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

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In countries such as India and Bangladesh, the sports sector is huge. And in most cases, the government taxes them very heavily. They have the option to suspend the sporting events until the situation gets better. But the economic loss is going to be huge. This is one of the aspects of the economy, which never gets its own fair share of compliment. Just check how much tax revenue goes to the Indian government after each edition of the IPL, and you'll get an idea of what I meant.

Looks like you are underestimating the amount of money the government is getting from other sectors as tax, the BCCI is not even paying the entire tax levied upon them and they are asking for exemptions and the income tax department asked them to pay 1303 crore and they are yet to pay everything.

Do you know that the government collect 1,75,501.42 crore as tax from alcohol alone and you are talking about a small percentage BCCI is paying as tax as a huge revenue for the government and that too they are asking for tax exemptions .

[Vishnu.Reang]

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In countries such as India and Bangladesh, the sports sector is huge. And in most cases, the government taxes them very heavily. They have the option to suspend the sporting events until the situation gets better. But the economic loss is going to be huge. This is one of the aspects of the economy, which never gets its own fair share of compliment. Just check how much tax revenue goes to the Indian government after each edition of the IPL, and you'll get an idea of what I meant.

Looks like you are underestimating the amount of money the government is getting from other sectors as tax, the BCCI is not even paying the entire tax levied upon them and they are asking for exceptions and the income tax department asked them to pay 1303 crore and they are yet to pay everything.

Do you know that the government collect 1,75,501.42 crore as tax from alcohol alone and you are talking about a small percentage BCCI is paying as tax as a huge revenue for the government and that too they are asking for tax exceptions .

I am not just talking about the direct taxes that the BCCI pay to the government. There are indirect taxes as well. For example, when Star Sports or some other channel broadcast a particular match, they need to pay taxes. When some advertiser shows his ad during these matches, they need to pay the taxes. The indirect taxes related to IPL may be 10 times or 20 times larger than the direct tax total.

[ene1980]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

I did not understand the logic behind banning the use of saliva when each and every player is tested, relaxation on neutral umpires can be justified but what is the option to shine the ball as it is important for the bowlers to get swing. Having extra DRS is a welcome change and you need to have the option when the technology offers, i am of the view that they limit the number of DRS allowed.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

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I am not just talking about the direct taxes that the BCCI pay to the government. There are indirect taxes as well. For example, when Star Sports or some other channel broadcast a particular match, they need to pay taxes. When some advertiser shows his ad during these matches, they need to pay the taxes. The indirect taxes related to IPL may be 10 times or 20 times larger than the direct tax total.

Earlier i told about the direct tax the government gets from alcohol alone and if you take a look at the indirect tax they get from hotel and other industry then it will be pale in comparison. I am not claiming that it is not generating any tax but if you claim that cricket is generating a fair share for the Indian economy then these are not the facts as BCCI is just a part of the larger picture.

For more clarity fiscal year 2019, ₹14.60 trillion was collect as tax while BCCI was supposed to pay ₹1303 crore while they only paid ₹462 crore.

Do you think BCCI needs compliment for that, everyone is bound to pay the tax and if they are getting money why do they need exemption, i want everyone to be treated equally .

[JSRAW]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

I did not understand the logic behind banning the use of saliva when each and every player is tested, relaxation on neutral umpires can be justified but what is the option to shine the ball as it is important for the bowlers to get swing. Having extra DRS is a welcome change and you need to have the option when the technology offers, i am of the view that they limit the number of DRS allowed.

Couple of big names in cricketing world were raising the very same argument "LOGIC".

I would say that banning use of saliva is one of the precautionary step similar to quarantine, isolation, social distancing etc.

[pakhitheboss]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

I did not understand the logic behind banning the use of saliva when each and every player is tested, relaxation on neutral umpires can be justified but what is the option to shine the ball as it is important for the bowlers to get swing. Having extra DRS is a welcome change and you need to have the option when the technology offers, i am of the view that they limit the number of DRS allowed.

After all these press if still a player gets covid19 then the whole tournament will be at risk. That is why they have banned the use of saliva. Still, I feel it is very illogical as through sneeze and hugging still players can get this virus.

[onrise]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

I did not understand the logic behind banning the use of saliva when each and every player is tested, relaxation on neutral umpires can be justified but what is the option to shine the ball as it is important for the bowlers to get swing. Having extra DRS is a welcome change and you need to have the option when the technology offers, i am of the view that they limit the number of DRS allowed.

After all these press if still a player gets covid19 then the whole tournament will be at risk. That is why they have banned the use of saliva. Still, I feel it is very illogical as through sneeze and hugging still players can get this virus.

Saliva banned is the best thing. Another thing could that hugging or handshake with players might be not allowed or people themselves will refrain to do and from social distance only will try to celebrate and motivate each other. Things will definitely be not the same as it used to be past for some months later on it can be back to normal.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Saliva banned is the best thing. Another thing could that hugging or handshake with players might be not allowed or people themselves will refrain to do and from social distance only will try to celebrate and motivate each other. Things will definitely be not the same as it used to be past for some months later on it can be back to normal.

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

[7788bitcoin]

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

In baseball using saliva or Vaseline is illegal but they used to do that in the past and there is no other sport that use a ball like cricket and shining of the ball is necessary for a bowler, now all the rules favor the batsman and if they do not allow to shine the ball then it will be difficult for bowler to swing.
If cricket is included in the Olympics then people from Japan and Korea will use spit to shine the ball .

[BitSat19]

Official announcement coming from the ICC - No use of Saliva-
They come up with 2 extra announcement as far as cricket is concern.
- Relaxation on neutral umpire rules as International flights are limited due to Covid-19.
- Extra DRS for every team in each innings.

I did not understand the logic behind banning the use of saliva when each and every player is tested, relaxation on neutral umpires can be justified but what is the option to shine the ball as it is important for the bowlers to get swing. Having extra DRS is a welcome change and you need to have the option when the technology offers, i am of the view that they limit the number of DRS allowed.

After all these press if still a player gets covid19 then the whole tournament will be at risk. That is why they have banned the use of saliva. Still, I feel it is very illogical as through sneeze and hugging still players can get this virus.

Saliva banned is the best thing. Another thing could that hugging or handshake with players might be not allowed or people themselves will refrain to do and from social distance only will try to celebrate and motivate each other. Things will definitely be not the same as it used to be past for some months later on it can be back to normal.

Handshake and hugging is already banned as now we have first round of German Bundesliga which was very good and hopefully with this we will able to have some more sports in action in next few weeks because now world is feeling some better with this all even we have no vaccine and its going to take time but some brave decisions can take good advantages for all players and peoples.

[ene1980]

Couple of big names in cricketing world were raising the very same argument "LOGIC".

I would say that banning use of saliva is one of the precautionary step similar to quarantine, isolation, social distancing etc.

If the players are tested and if those players are not exposed to the general public including people who are not tested near them, there is no need for these extreme steps. It looks like these are just demonstrations to fool the general public that they are doing the extreme steps and giving out awareness .

After all these press if still a player gets covid19 then the whole tournament will be at risk. That is why they have banned the use of saliva. Still, I feel it is very illogical as through sneeze and hugging still players can get this virus.

If a player is tested and they are clean and if they are not exposed how come they will get the virus. If they give proper protection and security so that no one contacts them while in the ground and outside how come they will get the virus.

[Vishnu.Reang]

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

In baseball using saliva or Vaseline is illegal but they used to do that in the past and there is no other sport that use a ball like cricket and shining of the ball is necessary for a bowler, now all the rules favor the batsman and if they do not allow to shine the ball then it will be difficult for bowler to swing.
If cricket is included in the Olympics then people from Japan and Korea will use spit to shine the ball .

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

[Juggy777]

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

In baseball using saliva or Vaseline is illegal but they used to do that in the past and there is no other sport that use a ball like cricket and shining of the ball is necessary for a bowler, now all the rules favor the batsman and if they do not allow to shine the ball then it will be difficult for bowler to swing.
If cricket is included in the Olympics then people from Japan and Korea will use spit to shine the ball .

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

[7788bitcoin]

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

The use of saliva and sweat is legal when the rules are set from the beginning if i am not wrong. Even if it started in the 1970 the practice was carried on for 50 years and now all of a sudden it is viewed as an unhygienic method to retain the shine . I hope the ICC will remove the ban when the virus scare is over.

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@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

In baseball it is called spitball and using saliva is banned because it is hard to predict the trajectory of the ball and one player died and from then on you are not allowed to use saliva or any other foreign objects to polish the ball and they did not ban because of hygiene reasons. The shine is important for a bowler and now all the rules favor the batsman and i do not want to see changes like these that only aides the batsman.

[eaLiTy]

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier.

In the early times the umpires never used to check the ball and there are documented instances where creams and other materials were used to polish the ball and Pakistan bowlers invented reverse swing and shine was an integral part. The problem with using sweat is that it will help in getting the ball heavier but as a spinner you really do not want a heavy ball and hence spit is commonly used to shine the ball rather than sweat.

In baseball it is called spitball and using saliva is banned because it is hard to predict the trajectory of the ball and one player died and from then on you are not allowed to use saliva or any other foreign objects to polish the ball and they did not ban because of hygiene reasons. The shine is important for a bowler and now all the rules favor the batsman and i do not want to see changes like these that only aides the batsman.

No idea about baseball but a tragedy usually forces changes. In cricket body line and leg side field restrictions were implemented for safety reasons and according to reports 174 players died on the cricket field in the past 100 years and majority of the death were before helmets and safety protections were compulsory.

This is a temporary restriction that is implemented so that cricket could resume during the pandemic and eventually they will allow players to shine the ball using saliva.

[Vishnu.Reang]

@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

Cricket is a gentleman's game and unfair means must be banned. If saliva is allowed, then players may ask why sandpaper and Vaseline is not allowed. Now ICC can't specifically ban one of them and allow the other. Either both should be allowed, or all these substances must be banned. And I would prefer the latter. Let these bowlers learn how to swing the ball naturally.