Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

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They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

I think it is hard to maintain a green turf in hot and humid conditions and that is the biggest issue we are not seeing green turf in hot and dry climate areas, if the preparation was that easy they would have already prepare atleast one green turf before major tours considering BCCI has the biggest muscle power economically. If there are suitable places in India with moderate or cool climate then they can prepare a green wicket and BCCI can fund them to sustain the pitch.

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

[Vishnu.Reang]

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities. 

[BitSat19]

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities. 

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

[Vishnu.Reang]

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

[BitSat19]

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

I understand but recently board not giving priority as they was giving in past and have Dennis Lillee for very long time with full time duty but now its not in priority as this was so they still can do with some good and quality bowler which give full dedication and bring hungry youngsters for team and country.

[Vishnu.Reang]

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

I understand but recently board not giving priority as they was giving in past and have Dennis Lillee for very long time with full time duty but now its not in priority as this was so they still can do with some good and quality bowler which give full dedication and bring hungry youngsters for team and country.

Yes. Dennis Lillee was there for a very long time, since the very beginning (1987). He was there for 25 years and played a huge part in training promising pace bowlers. Javagal Srinath was one of the first trainees, and perhaps he was the first Indian bowler who could bowl at 90 mph plus speed on a consistent basis. During the 1990s, he was the backbone of Indian pace bowling attack. But then, Srinath was always overshadowed by the spin bowlers such as Anil Kumble. He never had a large fan following or media backing.

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Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

If that is the case they can start with experimenting with domestic games and with Sourav Ganguly in the leadership role he will do things that will make a difference and with cricket as the nation sport in India and with a huge fan base is will make things interesting for the spectators to see matches in a lively pitch where the competition is between the skills of a player rather than playing in flat tracks.

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

They are doing a good job as India never had a great fast bowling line up until recently.

[Indymoney]

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

If that is the case they can start with experimenting with domestic games and with Sourav Ganguly in the leadership role he will do things that will make a difference and with cricket as the nation sport in India and with a huge fan base is will make things interesting for the spectators to see matches in a lively pitch where the competition is between the skills of a player rather than playing in flat tracks.

In past Ganguly was player or captain and he was revolutionary person done few experiments and have very good results as he was alone incharg in the field but now he is just President and going with team he cannot take all decsions alone so this is really big problem with him otherwise now time for big changes and these can really bring big impact on Indian cricket system and team for very long run.

[JSRAW]

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities. 

As far as i know India A do visit in SENA regularly. I remember England-New Zealand tour of India A, not sure about U-23 though. Guess its not big news so we don't get to read much about it via print media.

I didn't follow MRF Pace Foundation updates for quite some time now, so no comment.

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Indeed..

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Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

If that is the case they can start with experimenting with domestic games and with Sourav Ganguly in the leadership role he will do things that will make a difference and with cricket as the nation sport in India and with a huge fan base is will make things interesting for the spectators to see matches in a lively pitch where the competition is between the skills of a player rather than playing in flat tracks.

In past Ganguly was player or captain and he was revolutionary person done few experiments and have very good results as he was alone incharg in the field but now he is just President and going with team he cannot take all decsions alone so this is really big problem with him otherwise now time for big changes and these can really bring big impact on Indian cricket system and team for very long run.

Things will change gradually, and the voices will come for the experimentation as well now in coming times. Even the legends will voice for it and accordingly we will see this to happen and also a good thing to have some young talent as well in the team along with experienced players. This is will also create backup in the long run.

[Vishnu.Reang]

As far as i know India A do visit in SENA regularly. I remember England-New Zealand tour of India A, not sure about U-23 though. Guess its not big news so we don't get to read much about it via print media.

I didn't follow MRF Pace Foundation updates for quite some time now, so no comment.

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Indeed..

If this is true, then it is definitely good news. I would like to see one more thing. I have seen domestic teams from England, Australia.etc touring foreign nations. For example, Hampshire and Kent from England used to participate in the Regional Super50 competition in West Indies. I would like to see Ranji Trophy teams from India touring some of the SENA nations and playing against the domestic teams there. Another excellent idea would be to allow these teams to tour associate nations such as Netherlands and Kenya.

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I would like to see Ranji Trophy teams from India touring some of the SENA nations and playing against the domestic teams there. Another excellent idea would be to allow these teams to tour associate nations such as Netherlands and Kenya.

Its good idea or may be they can try picking Best 18 Men Squad from all Ranji Teams and name it India B or whatever. so total 3 teams

India A (Already exists)
Under-23 (Already exits)
Joint Ranji Team /India B (only new players, not a single players from India A or National team)

[Vishnu.Reang]

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I would like to see Ranji Trophy teams from India touring some of the SENA nations and playing against the domestic teams there. Another excellent idea would be to allow these teams to tour associate nations such as Netherlands and Kenya.

Its good idea or may be they can try picking Best 18 Men Squad from all Ranji Teams and name it India B or whatever. so total 3 teams

India A (Already exists)
Under-23 (Already exits)
Joint Ranji Team /India B (only new players, not a single players from India A or National team)

I would still prefer the domestic teams touring foreign nations, than having an India B team. We have already an India A team and there is no need to create another team which would comprise of players from different states. If the players come from the same state, then there will be lot more cohesity and bonding. And BCCI can afford to send at least some of the state teams on foreign tours.

[Indymoney]

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I would like to see Ranji Trophy teams from India touring some of the SENA nations and playing against the domestic teams there. Another excellent idea would be to allow these teams to tour associate nations such as Netherlands and Kenya.

Its good idea or may be they can try picking Best 18 Men Squad from all Ranji Teams and name it India B or whatever. so total 3 teams

India A (Already exists)
Under-23 (Already exits)
Joint Ranji Team /India B (only new players, not a single players from India A or National team)

I would still prefer the domestic teams touring foreign nations, than having an India B team. We have already an India A team and there is no need to create another team which would comprise of players from different states. If the players come from the same state, then there will be lot more cohesity and bonding. And BCCI can afford to send at least some of the state teams on foreign tours.

This is not good idea for me as going with A and U-23 teams is more good and give some better results as many players from different stats and cities will meet each other and have some good expereince and knowledge but if want to send local team then championship winner is also good as they can do some good with domestic cup win is also very good.

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^ having players from the same cities and states have its own advantages as well like better understanding and good bonding in very short term, conversation, etc.But more importantly they should have skills or there is no point of sending them to other countries, only with skills they can get better with experience gaining.

[eaLiTy]

I would still prefer the domestic teams touring foreign nations, than having an India B team. We have already an India A team and there is no need to create another team which would comprise of players from different states.

I hope you understand the differentiation between domestic teams and how they pick India A and India B teams.

The players who perform well in the domestic competition will be selected into both these teams India A and India B, which means they have the possibility to represent the country and those players are sent for foreign tours to gain experience playing in different pitches.

The domestic tournament are highly competitive and most of the schedules are packed and if they are touring abroad to play other teams then the word domestic must be changed  .

If the players come from the same state, then there will be lot more cohesity and bonding.

You are talking about professional cricket, what kind of special bonding you are looking. If someone is not capable to bond in a team then he is not fit to play the sport.

[JSRAW]

I would still prefer the domestic teams touring foreign nations, than having an India B team. We have already an India A team and there is no need to create another team which would comprise of players from different states.

I hope you understand the differentiation between domestic teams and how they pick India A and India B teams.

Just to be clear India B team is hypothetical in this case, there is no such team called India B.

Chances are you might be aware of that fact, but your statement sounds like India B team already exits. I might be wrong in my assumptions so you can correct me on that.

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India A (Already exists)
Under-23 (Already exits)
Joint Ranji Team /India B (only new players, not a single players from India A or National team)

I would still prefer the domestic teams touring foreign nations, than having an India B team. We have already an India A team and there is no need to create another team which would comprise of players from different states. 

Let me put it this way..

-Pick Ranji Trophy winner team for foreign tour on single season, normally every team has 15-16 men squad in the Ranji and every team has some sort of wasted player at domestic level, exclude them from the team for the better results.
-Then pick Top performers from every Ranji team and put them under winning Ranji team's banner.

When they actually tour in SENA countries, Pick the best team from the 18-20 member squad.

If the players come from the same state, then there will be lot more cohesity and bonding.

eaLiTy already said it.

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If the players come from the same state, then there will be lot more cohesity and bonding.

You are talking about professional cricket, what kind of special bonding you are looking. If someone is not capable to bond in a team then he is not fit to play the sport.

OK. Perhaps I was wrong with the team bonding part. But still, I believe that there's nothing wrong in allowing the state sides to tour foreign nations. If the County teams from England can do this, then why not the relatively rich Ranji Trophy teams? Also I like the idea of allowing two overseas players, like they have in County cricket. This can help many of the smaller states, such as Sikkim and Nagaland.

[eaLiTy]

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Just to be clear India B team is hypothetical in this case, there is no such team called India B.

Chances are you might be aware of that fact, but your statement sounds like India B team already exits. I might be wrong in my assumptions so you can correct me on that.

I mentioned India B because i remember the Challenger Series where players were split into India senior, India A and India B and the reason i remember that is because Sreesanth who i knew as a club player from Ernakulam cricket club and i still remember him getting selected for India B and he took the wicket of Sachin Tendulkar which helped him fast tracked his career into international cricket.

The last tournament was played in 2014 and hence you might have not heard about that and India B won the competition in the 2013 season.

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 But still, I believe that there's nothing wrong in allowing the state sides to tour foreign nations. If the County teams from England can do this, then why not the relatively rich Ranji Trophy teams? Also I like the idea of allowing two overseas players, like they have in County cricket. This can help many of the smaller states, such as Sikkim and Nagaland.

I am not against the idea, but you need to understand the competition is really high to become a cricket player and then you need connections to get into the team and the payment is not that high and attractive for foreign players and the small states will not be having enough money to spent. If the BCCI is helping one state and fund them, then the rest of the states will oppose that and it will not be a fair game. If the competition starts to recruit foreign players to win the domestic tournament by every state then you are not building up the future generation.

In my opinion domestic tournaments should be there to develop a cricket player and a selection process to represent the national team and some of these players will be sent abroad to gain experience.  

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the Challenger Series

This is embarrassing!!

I clearly don't remember this, tried to recall but failed miserably. Will look into it and see if i am able to remember anything about it.