Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[vella85]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

I find everything strange here. IPL can't be held in just 3 months from now when the covid 19 situation is still unclear.
Also ICC should have focused on T20 world cup, instead they are more willing to have India Australia series in that time period.

I totally agree with you, it just doesn't make sense considering that the cases world wide continue to grow and its getting bad in India where the cases have been growing daily. Most Governments thought that it would start to slow down by now but its not so I'm not sure what the ICC will do but the cases here in Australia continue to be under control for now.

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[akhjob]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

I find everything strange here. IPL can't be held in just 3 months from now when the covid 19 situation is still unclear.
Also ICC should have focused on T20 world cup, instead they are more willing to have India Australia series in that time period.

Regarding T20 world cup, discussions are ongoing to postpone it and these are the possible scenarios

1. Feb-March, 2021: The event could be held early next year but Cricket Australia is reportedly not too keen on the idea considering the Indian Premier League (IPL) will start right after. To have as many T20 matches for consecutive 3-4 months could lead to overkill. The dates also coincide with England's tour of England which is a big headache.
2. Postpone to 2022 and swap hosting rights: The idea of Cricket Australia hosting the 2021 edition of the T20 World Cup and India taking the rights for the 2022 edition has also surfaced but it has been reported that the BCCI is not too keen on the idea of this sort of a switch.
3. Australia to host 2022 T20 World Cup instead of 2020: Touted as the most feasible decision, this could see the 2020 edition being postponed by 2 years while Australia would retain the hosting rights.

This is being discussed in the T20 thread

[JSRAW]

Welcome to the bubble we are living, today there was a comedic representation by the Indian prime minister about the corona situation.

Many feared that India will become a problem for the world when corona hits India. But today, you have transformed the way the world looks at us.

The prime minister is not aware of the situation and the increasing number of patients and right now it is kind of hot bed for the past one week and if you are having leaders like these i would not be surprised if the IPL is conducted .

You might be referring to his open letter. I feel that you didn't understand this stunt and taking it wrong approach, its politically motivated and quite common for every gov as its related to his 1st year of second term and not specifically addressing Covid-19 per se. Its all about goody good stuff, Chest thumping with sliding bad things under the rug. i would suggest not to take this letter seriously as it has no significance whatsoever.

Last time i looked up some statistics data analysis and watched few expert opinions on India about Covid-19 in Feb-March-April. Everyone was continuously predicting at least millions of deaths, with 10s of millions cases. All analysis were looking correct if we consider India's ridiculously poor health system and billions peoples, to be very blunt majority are not disciplined but despite all this where we stand now? less than 6k deaths so far, I would take this figure anytime on face value in World second most populace country where hygiene is alien to masses. its true that cases are increasing rapidly since the last week but we shouldn't forget that recovery rate is also improving in India and stands at around 47ish%.

Now i feel like i am derailing the thread so restricting myself right here otherwise its going to be very long post.


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Also ICC should have focused on T20 world cup, instead they are more willing to have India Australia series in that time period.

ICC doesn't have any say in any bilateral series. WT-20 original schedule was OCT-NOV, seems they are missing this due to pandemic. India and Australia following their normal schedule, it was decided by the all the interested parties in mutual contract before the World Test Championship, so every one is following protocol and there is no conspiracy here.

[pakhitheboss]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

I find everything strange here. IPL can't be held in just 3 months from now when the covid 19 situation is still unclear.
Also ICC should have focused on T20 world cup, instead they are more willing to have India Australia series in that time period.

I totally agree with you, it just doesn't make sense considering that the cases world wide continue to grow and its getting bad in India where the cases have been growing daily. Most Governments thought that it would start to slow down by now but its not so I'm not sure what the ICC will do but the cases here in Australia continue to be under control for now.

You cannot guarantee that it will remain the same in Australia for ever. All countries that confirmed that they have controlled the virus are now facing a fresh new wave of this virus. This means you have to live with it and it is not possible to stop it without a proper vaccine.

That is why India is slowly removing lockdown in a phased manner as it is evident globally this virus is here to stay for a long time. I understand it is very risky to organise sporting events in India at the moment but with proper measures it can be done.

[pakhitheboss]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

I find everything strange here. IPL can't be held in just 3 months from now when the covid 19 situation is still unclear.
Also ICC should have focused on T20 world cup, instead they are more willing to have India Australia series in that time period.

I totally agree with you, it just doesn't make sense considering that the cases world wide continue to grow and its getting bad in India where the cases have been growing daily. Most Governments thought that it would start to slow down by now but its not so I'm not sure what the ICC will do but the cases here in Australia continue to be under control for now.

You cannot guarantee that it will remain the same in Australia for ever. All countries that confirmed that they have controlled the virus are now facing a fresh new wave of this virus. This means you have to live with it and it is not possible to stop it without a proper vaccine.

That is why India is slowly removing lockdown in a phased manner as it is evident globally this virus is here to stay for a long time. I understand it is very risky to organise sporting events in India at the moment but with proper measures it can be done.

I think it would not happen because some of the institution has said that in some countries in June - July the cases would grow rapidly and need to figure out the role of monsoon. How does it play out and does it make any difference because in many countries during monsoon there are infrastructure problems, water logging etc and thus social distance would not be able to maintain it. There would be many other problems arising during this time and things may not be right till we may have vaccine for it.

Yes, the only answer to this virus is a vaccine, we all know that but you cannot sit in your house for the next 1 or 2 years waiting for it. People have to start living with it those who are following the set of rules will survive but those who are not will perish or suffer.

Economy situation is getting worst day by day, countries like India need economic booster like IPL and other events.

[JohnBitCo]

Yes, the only answer to this virus is a vaccine, we all know that but you cannot sit in your house for the next 1 or 2 years waiting for it. People have to start living with it those who are following the set of rules will survive but those who are not will perish or suffer.

Economy situation is getting worst day by day, countries like India need economic booster like IPL and other events.

To boost the economic situation government needs to run the industry and give jobs to the people. That is more important at this stage.
Hosting a sporting event like IPL will only give revenue to few players, marketing agencies and the government. The common man will have to pay from his pocket to watch the match live in stadium.

[eaLiTy]

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You might be referring to his open letter. I feel that you didn't understand this stunt and taking it wrong approach, its politically motivated and quite common for every gov as its related to his 1st year of second term and not specifically addressing Covid-19 per se. Its all about goody good stuff, Chest thumping with sliding bad things under the rug. i would suggest not to take this letter seriously as it has no significance whatsoever.

I am viewing his stunts for a very long time, the theatrics he loves ignoring the poorest of the people, banning of currency it only affected the daily waging workers or the poor or middle class people who had business and it was a great theatrics and when he recently lock downed the entire nation by giving them 4 hours window at night, it was another theatrics. Considering how the poor people suffered and how many died trying to reach home on foot, how can someone thump their chest. I saw how people trying to be a puppet to his tunes when he asked to bang metal pots and curse the virus and his next task of lighting the candle and how many building got fire, it is not a secret and these mishaps were headline news and considering how stupid some people are i consider this is significant and you cannot downplay these mishaps and say it was political.

Last time i looked up some statistics data analysis and watched few expert opinions on India about Covid-19 in Feb-March-April.

I still do not understand the metrics used by these experts, just like the speculation they make with BTCitcoin.





The above are the real data and not speculative and what do you seen in those. The number of cases are increasing and community spread is out of control and we have no data about the total figures as the testing is not that great either.  

Now i feel like i am derailing the thread so restricting myself right here otherwise its going to be very long post.

The situation has everything to do with how things open up in India and if we expect cricket and other sport to resume these are important, if you want we can continue in local board .


PS: graph is taken from worldometers which provides real data and not my own representation.

To boost the economic situation government needs to run the industry and give jobs to the people.  

When the government is selling all the public sector companies to private and in the medical sector they already sold IDPL, RDPL, HAL and BCPL and the number of other privatization done by the esteemed government in the past several years and you think they will run the industry now.
How, will they purchase the sold PSU companies at a higher rate  .  

The common man will have to pay from his pocket to watch the match live in stadium.

For the common man there is Atmanirbhar  .

still IPL is talk of town really strange situation if this will go like this then surely we will have IPL under current government in next few months.

The authorities are smart and they know how to influence people. The government might approve IPL under strict supervision to divert the situation at hands as they know India is a cricket loving country and they need to entertain them to divert their attention and hence i wont be surprised if we see that happen.

[JSRAW]

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I am viewing his stunts for a very long time, the theatrics he loves ignoring the poorest of the people, banning of currency it only affected the daily waging workers or the poor or middle class people who had business and it was a great theatrics and when he recently lock downed the entire nation by giving them 4 hours window at night, it was another theatrics.

I guess you meant you have problem with the process of implementation but not the ideas? If you are criticizing how they implemented the demonetization and lock down without any homework then i am with you in this regards, Otherwise i don't agree with you. I would say that they might have good intention or not (depends where you stand on ideology) but they sucks real bad when implementing any policy.  

I saw how people trying to be a puppet to his tunes when he asked to bang metal pots and curse the virus and his next task of lighting the candle and how many building got fire, it is not a secret and these mishaps were headline news and considering how stupid some people are i consider this is significant and you cannot downplay these mishaps and say it was political.

It was more like cult following type stunt, which i don't appreciate in general. On the other hand i felt good vibes when i saw Italians were doing the similar thingy in respect of Doctors. Hypocrite us, right?

Believe or not Stupid people outnumber sane people in the world everytime.

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The above are the real data and not speculative and what do you seen in those. The number of cases are increasing and community spread is out of control and we have no data about the total figures as the testing is not that great either.  

Not sure why you felt the need of sharing these charts, as i already mentioned this in my previous reply along with the recovery percentage. on testing i agree with you India is doing only 2.62 tests per 1000 (30th JUNE data), which is very low.

The situation has everything to do with how things open up in India and if we expect cricket and other sport to resume these are important, if you want we can continue in local board  

I would love to but have to pass your offer respectfully because...
I am at center, sometimes leans on liberal and sometimes conservative, depends on the merits and we are living in polarized world where no one wants to discuss ideas objectively anyway. So i find majority of political -Geo Politics debates unproductive especially in Interweb .

[pakhitheboss]

Yes, the only answer to this virus is a vaccine, we all know that but you cannot sit in your house for the next 1 or 2 years waiting for it. People have to start living with it those who are following the set of rules will survive but those who are not will perish or suffer.

Economy situation is getting worst day by day, countries like India need economic booster like IPL and other events.

To boost the economic situation government needs to run the industry and give jobs to the people. That is more important at this stage.
Hosting a sporting event like IPL will only give revenue to few players, marketing agencies and the government. The common man will have to pay from his pocket to watch the match live in stadium.

The common man is also investing his hard earned money and life by queing in the line of a liquor shop. Hosting IPL is another way to generate revenue and help the needy.

The IT sector was and is working day and night, the manufacturing units have also started will they generate the revenue that the government needs? That is the question that will be answered within few months.

Will IPL generate the revenue? That will be answered in a month.

That is the difference..

[Vishnu.Reang]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

Don't even debate on this.
IPL this year is 100% impossible, unless they move it to Australia or some other country that is not affected by the pandemic.

eaLiTy has already posted the details, so I don't need to explain. In short, the situation here in India became much worse during the last week or so. There have been a huge jump in the number of cases, and those regions which remained mostly unaffected earlier (such as Kerala, Goa and North-east) are witnessing a huge jump in the number of new cases.

[akhjob]

^Yeah this schedule is really confusing. Looking at the schedule, all the previous assumptions about IPL seems to be wrong. If BCCI is planning to host IPL in Mid Aug to Sep, I don't think it would go well as planned considering the current scenario in India.

Don't even debate on this.
IPL this year is 100% impossible, unless they move it to Australia or some other country that is not affected by the pandemic.

eaLiTy has already posted the details, so I don't need to explain. In short, the situation here in India became much worse during the last week or so. There have been a huge jump in the number of cases, and those regions which remained mostly unaffected earlier (such as Kerala, Goa and North-east) are witnessing a huge jump in the number of new cases.

Do you think it's impossible? I wouldn't bet on it honestly. You do understand that Unlock 1.0 of Modi was announced after the increase in the number of Covid19 cases right? So what makes you think that you wouldn't have IPL this year? Eventhough, I don't want IPL or any other sports event until the end of this year in India, many are eager to go back to the normal lifestyle and are ready to accept Corona as a part of their daily life. So, I wouldn't be surprised if IPL or any other major sports event get hosted in India.

[eaLiTy]

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I guess you meant you have problem with the process of implementation but not the ideas? If you are criticizing how they implemented the demonetization and lock down without any homework then i am with you in this regards, Otherwise i don't agree with you. I would say that they might have good intention or not (depends where you stand on ideology) but they sucks real bad when implementing any policy.  

A government should be responsible for the policies they implement, they come out with some policies and burn everything you made till that time and then say sorry while your hard work and time invested is gone to dust, do you think that is a responsible governance. You can hang on to the moral grounds theory when they have not done any study on implementing policies that could affect a billion population, it is not a video game to reset everything with a click. They showed time and again that they are not a responsible government.

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It was more like cult following type stunt, which i don't appreciate in general. On the other hand i felt good vibes when i saw Italians were doing the similar thingy in respect of Doctors. Hypocrite us, right?

Exactly the reason i wanted to respond, when you said you should not take the open letter seriously. Come on you clearly know a cult following who is willing to do anything and you think these kind of comedic representation which has nothing to do with reality. I would have been happy if the government did everything properly for the poor who live their life on daily wages and then go for the theatrics.

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Not sure why you felt the need of sharing these charts, as i already mentioned this in my previous reply along with the recovery percentage. on testing i agree with you India is doing only 2.62 tests per 1000 (30th JUNE data), which is very low.

The data graph was simply to show the reality of the situation, when your prime minister says we conquered the virus, who you are fooling and in what aspect he came to that conclusion. Even if we forget these data, I clearly know certain hospitals are not even accepting patients for the past two months, there are many patients who are in critical situation and when i see an entire failure in a system, do you think i expect all these data that are coming out are exact representation of the situation.  

I would love to but have to pass your offer respectfully because...
I am at center, sometimes leans on liberal and sometimes conservative, depends on the merits and we are living in polarized world where no one wants to discuss ideas objectively anyway. So i find majority of political -Geo Politics debates unproductive especially in Interweb .

I understand that, we cannot make any changes debating in a forum but atleast i have a platform to share my frustration about a system that will not deliver anything for the common citizen but boast stupid ideas.

It would be great if there is a minimum qualification to become a politician  .

There have been a huge jump in the number of cases, and those regions which remained mostly unaffected earlier (such as Kerala, Goa and North-east) are witnessing a huge jump in the number of new cases.

The reason for the huge jump in the number of new cases is because many people from other state and countries started travelling back to their home state and once they are tested majority of them are positive cases and there is a political battle going on, the center is allocating trains without informing the destination state.

[Vishnu.Reang]

There have been a huge jump in the number of cases, and those regions which remained mostly unaffected earlier (such as Kerala, Goa and North-east) are witnessing a huge jump in the number of new cases.

The reason for the huge jump in the number of new cases is because many people from other state and countries started travelling back to their home state and once they are tested majority of them are positive cases and there is a political battle going on, the center is allocating trains without informing the destination state.

That may be the reason. But one thing is sure. India is witnessing a sharp increase in new cases, while most of the other countries (such as the United States, United Kingdom, Spain, France, Italy, or even the neighbors such as Pakistan and Bangladesh) are reporting a reduction in the number of new infections. Also, I heard that the government is winding up the "Shramik special train" program, as more than 90% of the migrants have reached their native states. Therefore I am still hoping that the cases will plateau out soon.

Even if the number of new cases stabilize, will it be possible to have IPL this year? I am very skeptical right now.

[JSRAW]

Hypothetical visiting team for Asia : Interesting list of players, don't get surprise if big names/ Legends(Waugh,Gilchrist, Lara, Warne, Mcgrath) are missing from this list. Stats don't care about big names as it all about the numbers.

The final XI

Alastair Cook, Matthew Hayden, Hashim Amla, Jacques Kallis, Viv Richards, Andy Flower (WK), Richard Hadlee, Richie Benaud (Captain), Malcolm Marshall, Graeme Swann & Dale Steyn.

A bit of history...

Tours to the subcontinent were far and few in the first few decades (the first Test played in 1933-34) and often would be on the return voyage after Ashes tours. Australia and West Indies succeeded in winning often in India and less so in Pakistan till the end of the 1960s but the home sides kept raising the standard of their game in their own backyard. The home fortress of India and Pakistan have been more difficult to breach since the beginning of the 1980s and any such successful endeavor is considered tour de force. If Pakistan was the team to beat in the 1970s till mid-1990s, India proved to be impregnable in the last three decades with the task getting tougher as seasons pass by. Sri Lanka too had a great run in the 2000s when their put their best side comprising of some of the most illustrious names on the field.

Eleven to envy: Visiting best for a Test in Asia

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

[JSRAW]

^Its retired players list that's why Smith's name is not there.

Shane Warne might be a legend but his record in India is not good. Its well known fact that he struggled in India when compared to other spinners or in some cases even fast bowler outclassed him. Can you imagine the irony, Legendary spin bowler lagging behind the fast bowler even in spin friendly pitches? that's a only reason of his inclusion.

Look at the average

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^ Oh... so this list includes only the retired players. When I saw the name of Dale Steyn, I was a bit confused. But then I remembered that he had retired from test cricket last year. Still.. I am not happy with the exclusion of Warne. His stats doesn't look good in India, because he was repeatedly targeted by some of the Indian batsmen (especially the great Sachin Tendulkar).

[ene1980]

^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

Since it is about retired players Steve Smith and Kane Williamson is not considered but i have a difference of opinion as Mathew Hayden and Andy Flower played during an era where every team had a world class bowler and they played really well against any opponents and on their day they could win matches on their own. It is not a wise move to compare players from different generations.

[JSRAW]

^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

Since it is about retired players Steve Smith and Kane Williamson is not considered but i have a difference of opinion as Mathew Hayden and Andy Flower played during an era where every team had a world class bowler and they played really well against and on their day they could win matches on their own. It is not a wise move to compare players from different generations.

Mathew Hayden was opener, Andy flower was WK Batsmen. So their comparsion with Smith/Williamson doesn't makes sense anyway as both Smith/Williamson are middle order batsmen (1st -2nd down), Hashim Amla is their competitor (Jacques Kallis and Viv Richards are irreplaceable) but if i have to choose all time XI then will pick Smith over Amla anyday, his average against India is outstanding. 

[ene1980]

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Mathew Hayden was opener, Andy flower was WK Batsmen. So their comparsion with Smith/Williamson doesn't makes sense anyway as both Smith/Williamson are middle order batsmen (1st -2nd down), Hashim Amla is their competitor (Jacques Kallis and Viv Richards are irreplaceable) but if i have to choose all time XI then will pick Smith over Amla anyday, his average against India is outstanding. 

I have not seen  Viv Richards play but seen some highlights and a few documentaries about the old West Indies team and they had some incredible players who will get into any team and Garfield Sobers who is regarded as the best allrounder of all time and everyone including Jacques Kallis is placed on his level to compare and the fast bowlers were deadly.