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Question: What team will win the PBA 2021 All Filipino Conference?
Barangay Ginebra - 15 (45.5%)
SMB - 7 (21.2%)
Magnolia Hotshots - 4 (12.1%)
Talk and Text - 6 (18.2%)
Phoenix Fuel Masters - 1 (3%)
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February 19, 2023, 03:31:17 AM
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Didn’t expect this as well since the way converge played the game, i though they are in control but suddenly collapse in the last quarter, local players failed to help their import though this was a close game.

Actually, it's not that Converge collapses on the final end. It's just that NLEX just really did a great job executing their plays during the final minutes.

We can't also blame the locals for why Converge lost in that game. It's unfair to even their import do have a big production. Overall, the game was being decided on what team will successfully do the very important part of the close game, the "turning point".

Nice to see unusual teams again sitting at the 3rd and 4t spot but I do hope Converge will have a good rally this conference.
I watched the final minutes of the game and if I will find a problem as to why Converge lose, it is their import. Lots of three point attempts, he aren't passing the ball to his teammates or if there is, only once or twice. When he holds the ball, he will automatically shoot it, and the worst thing is all of that are from threes. I can't blame him though if he don't want to pass the ball to his teammates, but at least let the locals involve especially in crunch time.

Nevertheless, it was a good match and I just hope that there are many people watching it on that arena, but it wasn't Ginebra so... yeah. Cheesy I enjoyed watching it on livestream still. Converge has been on the top ever since and they are performing really well since they came into the league. SMC and MVP teams are now on the top 8 while the independent teams that is in the top 8 are ROS and Converge. Anything can happen still especially in that 6th-8th spot. There is a chance that we might see independent team clinching on top while either SMC or MVP team will be eliminated.

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Another game today, this time we have Ginebra playing in the first game. They are on a two-game losing streak, so I don't think winning against Blackwater will be a problem. I'm sure they will cover the spread, even if it's high.

In the second game, we have a very exciting match between SMB and TNT. Both teams only have one loss each, so I'm sure it's going to be a close game. I hope that Pogoy will not miss this game since SMB is a tough opponent, and TNT needs his contribution in case Williams struggles with his shooting.

The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

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February 19, 2023, 10:38:30 AM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.



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February 19, 2023, 11:10:34 AM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Finally, Ginebra was able to break their two straight losses, although Brownlee's numbers are not too impressive. But I know he's just trying to make his teammates better. There's a lot of firepower on the Ginebra team, so Brownlee doesn't need to work too hard in carrying his team. Also, he is probably trying to be careful as he will represent our country in an international competition happening this month. By the way, that was the last game of Ginebra this month.

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February 19, 2023, 11:47:41 AM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

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February 19, 2023, 11:58:40 AM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley

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February 19, 2023, 12:14:28 PM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley

Still close game in the half of 3rd quarter, TNT still leading 4 points and we really can't predict how both teams will play this game if how they will push to win, I see the value of TNT's odd and if you love taking the big risk, taking that will add up more entertainment while watching the game.

Super team against the same level, it's tough but both teams are capable of winning the game, let see if who's going to take this game.

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February 19, 2023, 12:21:52 PM
Last edit: February 19, 2023, 01:08:17 PM by bisdak40
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley

Thanks for the tip mate, you are right, Mikey Williams will not be returning to this game plus TNT don't have Roger Pogoy so they are the underdog now but looking at the plays of TNT, they are just so lucky that they are not leading by 6 points at the end of the third quarter. I won't be betting anymore on this game, just monitoring now my under 212.5 bet that is in the risk of losing as shots from both teams were falling in the third quarter that they scored 63 points in that quarter alone.

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Sorry about that, mate. I shouldn't have warned you because TNT won the game. Oftana was able to make the follow-up shot. What a game! I thought SMB was going to win easily since there was no Williams and Pogoy, but TNT's good ball movement really gave them the win. Sorry again.

It's okay mate, at least i won on my other bet on the under 212.5. I'm an SMB fan, just tempted to bet on the Katropa because of the close scores but when i knew that Williams and Pogoy were not there, i will not bet for them because too risky, they are just lucky that the breaks of the game fell into them. If Junemar was there, Oftana could have not gotten the offensive rebound and the putback.

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February 19, 2023, 12:22:00 PM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

That was an easy win for me, I had Ginebra's spread, and I never got nervous even a bit while watching the game.

i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

I hope you took the advice. Even without Williams, SMB is still struggling to control the game, and they are still trailing, although it's a close game.

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February 19, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley

Thanks for the tip mate, you are right, Mikey Williams will not be returning to this game plus TNT don't have Roger Pogoy so they are the underdog now but looking at the plays of TNT, they are just so lucky that they are not leading by 6 points at the end of the third quarter. I won't be betting anymore on this game, just monitoring now my under 212.5 bet that is in the risk of losing as shots from both teams were falling in the third quarter that they scored 63 points in that quarter alone.

Sorry about that, mate. I shouldn't have warned you because TNT won the game. Oftana was able to make the follow-up shot. What a game! I thought SMB was going to win easily since there was no Williams and Pogoy, but TNT's good ball movement really gave them the win. Sorry again.

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February 19, 2023, 01:09:58 PM
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i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

I hope you took the advice. Even without Williams, SMB is still struggling to control the game, and they are still trailing, although it's a close game.


Did you mean that you hope he didn't take the advice? If bisdak40 followed his instinct right away, he could have won his bet. But no regrets, this is gambling, nothing is sure, and we didn't see the outcome. Even I wouldn't have bet on TNT if I had known that Mikey Williams was not playing in the second half. Come on, he is one of their best players, so it's not fair, and SMB should have had the edge.

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February 19, 2023, 01:14:36 PM
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Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
Hope no one follow your suggestion because the result is the opposite, TNT won the game by only 2 points. Grin
SMB was struggling and despite Williams not being on the game TNT still manage to snatch the win and take the solo lead.
As expected, it was an epic game between this two teams and no one is giving up until the last minute of the game.

Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.

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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
It's a bit unfortunate that the TNT lose Mikey Williams in the middle of the game.

Pogoy didn't play on that game because of ankle sprain, and now Williams didn't play as well. 2 of their main local scorers didn't play. Fortunately, they have their 3rd main local scorer in Oftana who did his heroic buzzer beater shot to win the game. Lucky for me as well, I put my bet on them @2.25.

I thought for a second that it will go to overtime knowing that their import didn't make that shot. Now the TNT are in the solo top spot with 8-1 record. The good thing about SMB is that, they managed to minimize Hollis-Jefferson's impact on the court and he only scored 19 points with 7/27 shooting. Well, we've seen quite spectacular games this weekend. From Converge-NLEX yesterday to SMB-TNT tonight. Hope everyone's happy. Smiley

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February 19, 2023, 06:17:52 PM
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The spread for the first game is Ginebra -12 against Blackwater, while the spread for the second game is SMB -4 against TNT.

That was an easy one. Ginebra dominated the game and ended up winning by 26 points. It's a huge bounce back after losing previous games, but you know Blackwater is not really a downgrade. They changed their import, but the new import wasn't as good as the old one. Their import only scored 14 points while Brownlee had a double-double with 22 points and 10 rebounds.

Closely monitoring the second game here between the Beermen and Katropa and it's a close one at the moment that i'm tempted to go for TNT with that 2,40 odds at halftime.

At the same time this one is a low scoring ballgame with the import of both teams only scored 11 and 9 points respectively which i think would still be trend going into the second half so i'm betting now under 212.5 @1.96.

Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
It's a bit unfortunate that the TNT lose Mikey Williams in the middle of the game.

Pogoy didn't play on that game because of ankle sprain, and now Williams didn't play as well. 2 of their main local scorers didn't play. Fortunately, they have their 3rd main local scorer in Oftana who did his heroic buzzer beater shot to win the game. Lucky for me as well, I put my bet on them @2.25.

I thought for a second that it will go to overtime knowing that their import didn't make that shot. Now the TNT are in the solo top spot with 8-1 record. The good thing about SMB is that, they managed to minimize Hollis-Jefferson's impact on the court and he only scored 19 points with 7/27 shooting. Well, we've seen quite spectacular games this weekend. From Converge-NLEX yesterday to SMB-TNT tonight. Hope everyone's happy. Smiley

I was also in that same impression since the score was tied in the last 12 seconds and knowing SMB they are really good in defending but Oftana's aggressiveness make the winning layup to snatch the game, it was a good trap for SMB follower for sure, that -1.5 handicap is achievable knowing that Poguy is not around and during the live game, William also out and the odd is pretty sweet for SMB @ 1.80 if I remember it right.

Congrats to you Kabayan, for trusting TNT. Even they don't have that enough firepower but still manage to escape the game with the win.

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February 19, 2023, 08:48:39 PM
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Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
Hope no one follow your suggestion because the result is the opposite, TNT won the game by only 2 points. Grin
SMB was struggling and despite Williams not being on the game TNT still manage to snatch the win and take the solo lead.
As expected, it was an epic game between this two teams and no one is giving up until the last minute of the game.

Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.
Both TNT and SMB will have a good resting time as they already had 9 games in a row while the others are still catching up. Anyway, the game between TNT and SMS was wild, I’ve watched the whole game and its really hard to predict who will gonna win because both teams have their own good runs. At the end, TNT prevail and I don’t think its a lucky 2 points game fort them because they work hard on that and they game a win as a team.
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Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
Hope no one follow your suggestion because the result is the opposite, TNT won the game by only 2 points. Grin
SMB was struggling and despite Williams not being on the game TNT still manage to snatch the win and take the solo lead.
As expected, it was an epic game between this two teams and no one is giving up until the last minute of the game.

Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.
Both TNT and SMB will have a good resting time as they already had 9 games in a row while the others are still catching up. Anyway, the game between TNT and SMS was wild, I’ve watched the whole game and its really hard to predict who will gonna win because both teams have their own good runs. At the end, TNT prevail and I don’t think its a lucky 2 points game fort them because they work hard on that and they game a win as a team.

It was a good game and kudos to TNT. They are undermanned going into the game with Pogoy on injury and Mikey Williams getting injured in the first half but they still kept on fighting. They got the win through the rebound by Oftana. It turned out it was a bad decision for SMB to take out Fajardo on the last play for a better defender even though he was doing well defending the drives of the import of TNT, at least in the last 5 minutes of the game. He could have secured the rebound for the SMB win.
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February 19, 2023, 10:59:21 PM
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Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.

There are lots of chances being wasted by the SMB in the final minutes that might be a reason for them winning the game. There are also lots of decisions by their coach that also can be a reason why they have lost. They feel pressured more during a crucial game.

Aside from that, SMB is only playing with 3 players, CJ Perez, Cameron Clark, and JuneMar Fajardo lol. The rest don't know what they're doing.

TNT won at the end even without their key scorers, Pogoy and M. Williams.

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February 19, 2023, 11:42:25 PM
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Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
Hope no one follow your suggestion because the result is the opposite, TNT won the game by only 2 points. Grin
SMB was struggling and despite Williams not being on the game TNT still manage to snatch the win and take the solo lead.
As expected, it was an epic game between this two teams and no one is giving up until the last minute of the game.

Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.
Both TNT and SMB will have a good resting time as they already had 9 games in a row while the others are still catching up. Anyway, the game between TNT and SMS was wild, I’ve watched the whole game and its really hard to predict who will gonna win because both teams have their own good runs. At the end, TNT prevail and I don’t think its a lucky 2 points game fort them because they work hard on that and they game a win as a team.

In the actual game it's tough to guess but in papers it's SMB do have the advantage and that's the reason why bookies give them the favorite, but at the end of the game it's TNT who win the game coming from that last winning layup from Ofana, almost a OT but that winning shot really entertained especially tropang texters fans and supporters.

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February 19, 2023, 11:54:22 PM
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SMB I believed gambled the last play. I see 2 reasons why they sit out JuneMar Fajardo:

- expecting overtime so JMF will somehow rest early and be ready on OT
- JMF now has 4 fouls and saving it on the possible OT

Let's say they are preparing JMF in overtime at least they should instead Mo Tautaa to replace JMF and not Brondial. Anyways, move on now. Smiley

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February 20, 2023, 12:53:47 AM
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Don't attempt to bet on TNT because Mikey Williams did not return due to an ankle sprain he sustained in the first half. It's very risky in my opinion. I suggest taking a bigger odds in favor of SMB, like SMB winning by 11+ points, which is at 9.25 now.  Smiley
Hope no one follow your suggestion because the result is the opposite, TNT won the game by only 2 points. Grin
SMB was struggling and despite Williams not being on the game TNT still manage to snatch the win and take the solo lead.
As expected, it was an epic game between this two teams and no one is giving up until the last minute of the game.

Too bad for SMB for not being consistent on this game, I mean there's a lot of lose ball and opportunity being wasted, they should do better on their last 2 games. SMB's next game is on March 15 if the schedule is correct, that's almost a month of rest and preparation so let's see if they can have a good come back here.
Both TNT and SMB will have a good resting time as they already had 9 games in a row while the others are still catching up. Anyway, the game between TNT and SMS was wild, I’ve watched the whole game and its really hard to predict who will gonna win because both teams have their own good runs. At the end, TNT prevail and I don’t think its a lucky 2 points game fort them because they work hard on that and they game a win as a team.
I believe it's for the preparation of the upcoming last leg of FIBA qualifiers that's why SMB and TNT players will have a bit of a rest.
I hope that Pogoy will recover from his ankle sprain that he got against Meralco since he will also play for the last leg of FIBA qualifiers.

Lot's of fouls not being called especially for the import of TNT, and if you watched the video, he really is very frustrated that he isn't getting the calls. On the other hand, it made me curious why SMB let JMF sit on the dying seconds of the game, and because of that decision, they paid the price and let Oftana shoot on the paint. What if JMF is there instead of Brondial? It probably went to overtime right? Cheesy.

Anyways, been a SMB fan, but I put my bet on TNT on that game. Just move on like @harizen said. Smiley

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