2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[Fredomago]

SMB almost win the match and what we saw there are many opportunities to take a shot but they did not handle that situation two points lead by Bay Area is one position game by SMB and Bay Area dragon miss thier winning shot and the ball goes to SMB but the three point shot by CJ Perez and fajardo did not do it.   inseso has the ball with 2 opponent ahead of him I think if he gonna take that opportunity then maybe he dot it. But they look for Perez to take the shot.

I'm not a pro baller but if I'm in that same situation with Enciso I will attract the defenders before dropping the ball to Perez, it will give him much clearer sight and the defense will be late to disturb CJ, though it's already done and we need to move forward, just saying Kabayan nothing to argue and everyone here is already moving forward to the finals...

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

All I see are the bets for Ginebra San Miguel, and I guess Bay Area is the favorite, so why there are no takers for the Bay Area?
I'm just here to observe guys, let's see if I'll be enticed to join the action.

Anyhow, congrats to the winners, especially to those who bet on SMB spread.

Hard to place a bet on the first game where both teams are on a good run of winning and we know Ginebra can be more aggressive now that they are into the finals again. Bay Area might have a better chance of taking the first game though, they seems to be more consistent this conference compare to Ginebra. Looking for some good odds as well for Ginebra, can’t decide yet on where to place a bet, finals are more interesting.

Ginebra needs to start solid here. They already seen how good the visiting team is in terms of adjustments. The system of Bay Area is something that coach Tim will challenge himself, but personally, I can say that Gin kings can match the visiting teams squad, height and speed plus skills and the never say die attitude. Something that will make the fans enjoy, the chance of watching the Gilas vs greater China's representative..

[Shamm]

So close but not enough. Yeah! It's going to be Barangay Ginebra and Bay Area Dragons in the finals. I think that this is going to bring more crowds to the coliseum. A guest team that has finally reached the finals and we're all going to cheer for our very own Gin kings against these giants. It's possible that this is going to be up to game 7.
First game is going to start on the Christmas day, December 25. I'm sure that many will gift themselves a ticket to watch this first finals match on this conference.

I think they can't dictate the guess team to manipulate the game since this will expose the league that there's a game fixing especially on finals where that mostly happen on local games. Maybe for now since Dragons are into the finals we can see a real intense game but I think Ginebra still no match with this since Dragons is so strong hopefully teams in PBA learn a lot from them.

Let's all forget about manipulation and stuff, let's enjoy what's about to come on Sunday and it's for sure going to bring the whole league's team against only one giant, the Dragons.
We'll see if Ginkings are really no match for them but this is finals and it's going to be the most serious match for both teams. And they'll for sure do everything they can to win this conference's trophy.

Yes, you are right that mate let's get forward, observe and place our bet on our favorite team.  This upcoming December 25 which is Christmas day the final two teams will duel and this is a very interesting one it because we all know how tough the Bay Area Dragon is and the main question here is that can The king of take down the foreign team or Bay Area will get that trophy. But in ginebra they must take this game serious.

[bisdak40]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

[Johnyz]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Probably, a Pinoy mentality here where they want to win Ginebra against the visiting team so it will be hard to place a bet especially if its against Ginebra. Yes, Bay Area proved a lot this conference and they have a better chance now to get the championship so for sure they will be more active in the finals which I think Ginebra should prepare for. Probably, I’ll just place my bet hours before the start of the game, there are still time to analyze and look for better odds.

[blockman]

Let's all forget about manipulation and stuff, let's enjoy what's about to come on Sunday and it's for sure going to bring the whole league's team against only one giant, the Dragons.
We'll see if Ginkings are really no match for them but this is finals and it's going to be the most serious match for both teams. And they'll for sure do everything they can to win this conference's trophy.

Yes, you are right that mate let's get forward, observe and place our bet on our favorite team.  This upcoming December 25 which is Christmas day the final two teams will duel and this is a very interesting one it because we all know how tough the Bay Area Dragon is and the main question here is that can The king of take down the foreign team or Bay Area will get that trophy. But in ginebra they must take this game serious.

We know how talented and strong the Bay Area Dragons are but we all want to support our very own home team and that's why we barely see some folks here to bet for the Dragons.
Even, though I've seen how strong the BADs are, still I'm eyeing for Ginebra to win this series. That's all I want to see and that will satisfy me for sure.

Probably, a Pinoy mentality here where they want to win Ginebra against the visiting team so it will be hard to place a bet especially if its against Ginebra.

Yeah, we just want to support our homegrown team even know we're aware how these Giants are likely to take a lead but we don't want to belittle Ginebra, they've won against them.

[chaser15]

I'm not a pro baller but if I'm in that same situation with Enciso I will attract the defenders before dropping the ball to Perez, it will give him much clearer sight and the defense will be late to disturb CJ, though it's already done and we need to move forward, just saying Kabayan nothing to argue and everyone here is already moving forward to the finals...

These players are under pressure. If the last possession of SMB was being able to discuss thru calling a time out they might be able to prepare.

Coach Leo Austria didn't use his timeout and let his players just do what they can during the dying seconds.

Here's the explanation of Coach Leo why he didn't use his timeout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=cJRH0kYTevE

[goinmerry]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Because the pressure is not the same in NBA betting where we relying not just on being a FAN but also looking at the capability of a team to win.

Here in Dragons vs Gin Kings, we are disregarding the dominant performance of Dragons because as Pinoy, we like to support our own.

I also think that the Dragons have a better edge compared to the Kings but I can't bet on them because I want to support our Pinoy team. Even on per-game betting, I can't see myself putting a bet on Dragons.

[harizen]

As I previously stated, I will only bet on the Bay Area Dragons if they faced other teams instead, except for Ginebra.

It seems we will have a hard time on local betting as everyone is Ginebra.

If anyone wants, just to have local betting here, I will place a bet on the Dragons but give me a +1 handicap on the series haha. It's because I'm really at Ginebra to win the series and already place a bet for Ginebra here in our place.

Moving to the finals matchup and betting, money is getting bigger, do we need someone to escrow or just the usual P2P where we trust each other to pay the winner if we lose?

Same as usual will do. But for not a regular poster here, you can escrow their bet.

[Fredomago]

I'm not a pro baller but if I'm in that same situation with Enciso I will attract the defenders before dropping the ball to Perez, it will give him much clearer sight and the defense will be late to disturb CJ, though it's already done and we need to move forward, just saying Kabayan nothing to argue and everyone here is already moving forward to the finals...

These players are under pressure. If the last possession of SMB was being able to discuss thru calling a time out they might be able to prepare.

Coach Leo Austria didn't use his timeout and let his players just do what they can during the dying seconds.

Here's the explanation of Coach Leo why he didn't use his timeout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=cJRH0kYTevE

And we see what happened and it's done nothing can be change and I understand your point with pressure they are also human and
with that kind of situation it will comes out in the time that you don't expect, he make that remarkable winning shot on game 3 and if ever
CJ makes that shot then it will be a good credit as well for him an assist that very crucial in winning the game, but that didn't happen and we are now moving to the finals with Gin kings and Bay Area.

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Because the pressure is not the same in NBA betting where we relying not just on being a FAN but also looking at the capability of a team to win.

Here in Dragons vs Gin Kings, we are disregarding the dominant performance of Dragons because as Pinoy, we like to support our own.

I also think that the Dragons have a better edge compared to the Kings but I can't bet on them because I want to support our Pinoy team. Even on per-game betting, I can't see myself putting a bet on Dragons.

That's our pride and we are witnessing this game inside our home crowd, it's tough to bet against the home team. Talent wise Dragon might have that edge but pride and the wild fans, that added the value.. Good Luck na lang mga Kabayan!

[jakelyson]

Yes, you are right that mate let's get forward, observe and place our bet on our favorite team.  This upcoming December 25 which is Christmas day the final two teams will duel and this is a very interesting one it because we all know how tough the Bay Area Dragon is and the main question here is that can The king of take down the foreign team or Bay Area will get that trophy. But in ginebra they must take this game serious.

That is a treat for basketball fans on Christmas day. Two great teams facing each other in Game one of the Commissioner's cup finals. This will be exciting. Ginebra has proven that they can beat Bay Area Dragons when they met in the elimination round. And the Bay Area Dragons proved they can adjust easily against any opponents, and they do not give up easily. They are patient and very disciplined in their game. This is a good Christmas game.

That's our pride and we are witnessing this game inside our home crowd, it's tough to bet against the home team. Talent wise Dragon might have that edge but pride and the wild fans, that added the value.. Good Luck na lang mga Kabayan!

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

[Questat]

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

Wait, what are you saying? you think that Bay Area is the favorite to win and Ginebra needs the crowd to win? man, sorry but I disagree with you, I think Ginebra has the upper hard, remember the last time they met? Ginebra won by a huge margine, same import, so I don't see anything new from them against Ginebra.

[Botnake]

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

Wait, what are you saying? you think that Bay Area is the favorite to win and Ginebra needs the crowd to win? man, sorry but I disagree with you, I think Ginebra has the upper hard, remember the last time they met? Ginebra won by a huge margine, same import, so I don't see anything new from them against Ginebra.

Based on the betting odds on their previous game, Ginebra was the underdog, so I think that would not change considering the fact that Bay Area are the number 1 team in the PBA. Maybe this series, Bay Area is the slight favorite, so for Ginebra backers, this is our chance to bet on Ginebra as the underdog.

[Kelvinid]

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

Wait, what are you saying? you think that Bay Area is the favorite to win and Ginebra needs the crowd to win? man, sorry but I disagree with you, I think Ginebra has the upper hard, remember the last time they met? Ginebra won by a huge margine, same import, so I don't see anything new from them against Ginebra.

Based on the betting odds on their previous game, Ginebra was the underdog, so I think that would not change considering the fact that Bay Area are the number 1 team in the PBA. Maybe this series, Bay Area is the slight favorite, so for Ginebra backers, this is our chance to bet on Ginebra as the underdog.

Things might change because this is already the Finals. Maybe if we have the series betting odds, that would be better. Based on my research, here's the betting odds for game 1.


https://sports.msw.ph/en/sports/227-basketball/75477-philippines

This is from a local sportspook in the Philippines, they have an early odds, so we now have an idea if we still choose to bet on crypto sportsbook.

[Botnake]

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

Wait, what are you saying? you think that Bay Area is the favorite to win and Ginebra needs the crowd to win? man, sorry but I disagree with you, I think Ginebra has the upper hard, remember the last time they met? Ginebra won by a huge margine, same import, so I don't see anything new from them against Ginebra.

Based on the betting odds on their previous game, Ginebra was the underdog, so I think that would not change considering the fact that Bay Area are the number 1 team in the PBA. Maybe this series, Bay Area is the slight favorite, so for Ginebra backers, this is our chance to bet on Ginebra as the underdog.

Things might change because this is already the Finals. Maybe if we have the series betting odds, that would be better. Based on my research, here's the betting odds for game 1.


https://sports.msw.ph/en/sports/227-basketball/75477-philippines

This is from a local sportspook in the Philippines, they have an early odds, so we now have an idea if we still choose to bet on crypto sportsbook.

Thanks for providing us the betting odds in game 1, at least we already know what to expect from this game, if we have a series betting, these odds tell that Bay Area is the favorite to win, so hopefully, this will convince the bettors to take the Bay Area Dragon to win the series.

Question: does your local bookies requires a KYC?

[Ziskinberg]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Honestly, I find the Bay Area Dragons vulnerable to losing because they rely so much on their 3 point shooting. Nicholson won't be able to drop huge numbers if he will be limited in the 3 point line because Ginebra have two bigs (Aguilar and C. Stand) to limit him by frustrating him. Look what happened to the Magnolia import, he was suppose to be a great import but he was ineffective in the semi Finals.

[gunhell16]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Honestly, I find the Bay Area Dragons vulnerable to losing because they rely so much on their 3 point shooting. Nicholson won't be able to drop huge numbers if he will be limited in the 3 point line because Ginebra have two bigs (Aguilar and C. Stand) to limit him by frustrating him. Look what happened to the Magnolia import, he was suppose to be a great import but he was ineffective in the semi Finals.

You have exactly point on that matter actually, That's what I'm wondering about, going into the semi-finals, it seems like it lost its quality as a magnolia import, which after all, most of the team expected it to be a magnolia import. Wasn't their strategy against their opponent ruined at that time?

I expected them to win at that time but I was wrong about this matter. but I believed that Bay dragons win and I am pretty sure
their opponents will be difficult to defeat them, I'll bet on this Bay Dragons.

[Shamm]

Yes, you are right that mate let's get forward, observe and place our bet on our favorite team.  This upcoming December 25 which is Christmas day the final two teams will duel and this is a very interesting one it because we all know how tough the Bay Area Dragon is and the main question here is that can The king of take down the foreign team or Bay Area will get that trophy. But in ginebra they must take this game serious.

That is a treat for basketball fans on Christmas day. Two great teams facing each other in Game one of the Commissioner's cup finals. This will be exciting. Ginebra has proven that they can beat Bay Area Dragons when they met in the elimination round. And the Bay Area Dragons proved they can adjust easily against any opponents, and they do not give up easily. They are patient and very disciplined in their game. This is a good Christmas game.

And we know how powerful playing in homecourt, and the cheers of the crowd is. Anyway, I think that talent-wise, Ginebra and Dragons are not that far apart. If the crowd can boost the confidence of Ginebra in the game, it will be an even match.

For sure this is a good matchup and like what you said mate ginebra beat dragons before in elimination round so in this final they have a big percentage of winning and this is a good choice for the SMB franchise that Ginebra will face dragons in the final. Cause this team have already the chemistry all they need is to have a good plan how to counter the offense of Bay area which little bit hard for them as we all know that all bigman of bay area can play outside shoot so they need to handle this in order to defeat bay area .

[harizen]

Honestly, I find the Bay Area Dragons vulnerable to losing because they rely so much on their 3 point shooting.

I think saying Bay Area Dragons is relying on the 3-point shooting is not appropriate. They don't rely on it but rather they are really monsters in that area. If you watched how the Dragons perform beyond the arc during their last game against the SMB, it's like the 3-point area is their comfort zone. I can't call that as that team is relying on it but they are really good at it. Aside from that, they are also good at the paint and shaded areas.

I'm with Ginebra winning the championship but I can't consider that analysis as a reason why the Dragons are vulnerable to losing.

Nicholson won't be able to drop huge numbers if he will be limited in the 3 point line because Ginebra have two bigs (Aguilar and C. Stand) to limit him by frustrating him.

Nicholson's main forte is in the paint area and doing a low post on the shaded area, why he will force himself to do some 3s? He is attempting 3s only when he feels it but most of his scoring came from inside. Let's also consider that aside from Nicholson, those sharp 3 point shooters of the Dragons can shoot on the rainbow area even with a solid defense. That's how god their shooting stroke is.

Still, despite Dragons being a heavy favorite, going all-in for Ginebra here in our own local betting.

[LogitechMouse]

Looks like there's no Bay Area Dragon bettors here.... am I right? hehe.

Also find this weird because on papers, the Dragons is a talented team with Nicholson leading the charge for them, even though the Kings have beaten the Dragons in the elimination, it is not the gage (at least for me) that this series is in favor of Ginebra. We all knew that a series is very different from a single game in the elimination as in the series they can make some adjustments on the succeeding games.

Anyways, i will update this post if ever i have already decided to bet for the Dragons.

Honestly, I find the Bay Area Dragons vulnerable to losing because they rely so much on their 3 point shooting. Nicholson won't be able to drop huge numbers if he will be limited in the 3 point line because Ginebra have two bigs (Aguilar and C. Stand) to limit him by frustrating him. Look what happened to the Magnolia import, he was suppose to be a great import but he was ineffective in the semi Finals.

Remember TNT? There was a time where they are shooting a lot of threes. While that playstyle helped them, they didn't help them this time because most of their threes aren't going in especially in the PBA Philippine Cup.

TNT and Dragons are different. Relying on three-point shooting is a double-edged sword. It might help you win the team but if shots aren't going it, it will be their reason for a team to lose. If you will look at all of the team's three-point shooting percentage, the Dragons have the highest percentage with 37% and they are shooting 36 threes per game. Ginebra on the other hand is 3rd with 35% with 30 attempts per game.

Will the Dragons rely on threes? I believe they will because they have good three-point shooters but on the other hand, if threes aren't going in for them, they will lose. As for Nicholson, he will always find a way to score. He scored only 28 points when these 2 teams matched up, but I'm pretty sure the Dragons want some revenge since Ginebra is the one who gave them their first loss.

[goinmerry]

I really not referring to Ginebra's win on eliminations as a basis that they have an edge over the Dragons in this series. Since the Bay Area Dragons already played against a full complete lineup of Ginebra, expect that some adjustments will be made by them.

Since everyone is Ginebra including me, anyone likes to have a local betting here where we will predict what game Ginebra/Dragons will close the series?

Game 4 Ginebra/Dragons
Game 5 Ginebra/Dragons
Game 6 Ginebra/Dragons
Game 7 Ginebra/Dragons

The winner/s takes all. The prizes though might not be satisfying so a low bet will do. For example, If 4 players choose Game 6 and only a few bets on other games, no choice but to divide the take-all money even if it's smaller than their bets.

Any adjustments on this rule or this plan of mine suck as shit. lol. But since Game 1 will be on Sunday, not much time left to organize this.