2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[mirakal]

Schedule of Quarter Finals from https://pba.ph/




My prediction here are as follows.

Ginebra will beat NO (2-0)
Bay Area will eliminate ROS in 1 game
SMB will beat converge (2-1)
Magnolia will beat Phoenix (2-1)

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[Fredomago]

Maybe moving to have that chance to play against the top seeder was already an achievement for him after being away from his former team and now coaching them back.

It wasn't an achievement IMO, why? because the only reason why they will play the top seed because they are at the bottom. 

Well, I think there's a chance to win, and if they will upset the Bay Area Dragon, that's the best achievement for me, even just winning in the elimination, it's like winning a championship since Bay Area is the best team this conference.

Considering your point maybe it wasn't but still knowing who are those teams who got eliminated and the selections that coach Yeng have right now, IMO it was but no need to argue with you, as at in the end of the day there's nothing that they can do to beat the top seeder visiting team, which also eager in winning the title.

No offense to the team and coach Yeng, but The Dragons can simply finished them and continue to the next round.

[blockman]

We can't do anything about it but just to trust the process and Chot with his way of coaching it, hopefully, there could be some miracles for Gilas.

Yes, no choice but to support instead the whole Gilas team whoever or whatever the lineup, coaching staff, and anything.

But it's good to support something that we really see improving and changing. They should also hear the people's stand related to it.

There's nothing much that we can do but just give them our full support. We can't do anything with the setup as the SBP is owned not by the government but by a private entity or corporation that can control everything there. And as we know, Chot is being held by the MVP company and that's why he can't be moved on his position as the coach and even managed to kick Tab Baldwin on that position who's been doing well based on the feed back by most that know the team's run.

[jakelyson]

There's nothing much that we can do but just give them our full support. We can't do anything with the setup as the SBP is owned not by the government but by a private entity or corporation that can control everything there. And as we know, Chot is being held by the MVP company and that's why he can't be moved on his position as the coach and even managed to kick Tab Baldwin on that position who's been doing well based on the feed back by most that know the team's run.

That happens when for a long time the government is the one in control of national basketball team but our team was going down the drain. There is no practice, and no proper handling for the longest time. Then someone private stepped in and it was a success. We even went to FIBA world for the first time in 40 years. It was because it was well coordinated, and practice was in full swing. They build the best team PBA can provide. Now, too much politics and very little practice are happening again. It is not just the coach that is the problem, it is the whole system. We do not have grassroots programs that will train young basketball athletes to compete internationally. We can support all we want but nothing great will happen unless a good system is in place from both government and private entities.

[blockman]

There's nothing much that we can do but just give them our full support. We can't do anything with the setup as the SBP is owned not by the government but by a private entity or corporation that can control everything there. And as we know, Chot is being held by the MVP company and that's why he can't be moved on his position as the coach and even managed to kick Tab Baldwin on that position who's been doing well based on the feed back by most that know the team's run.

That happens when for a long time the government is the one in control of national basketball team but our team was going down the drain. There is no practice, and no proper handling for the longest time. Then someone private stepped in and it was a success. We even went to FIBA world for the first time in 40 years. It was because it was well coordinated, and practice was in full swing. They build the best team PBA can provide. Now, too much politics and very little practice are happening again. It is not just the coach that is the problem, it is the whole system. We do not have grassroots programs that will train young basketball athletes to compete internationally. We can support all we want but nothing great will happen unless a good system is in place from both government and private entities.

Politics is everywhere and we just have to deal with it. The system that this team has got cannot remove the politics and that's it. We just have to look at the bright sides of the situation that they're dealing with. Like with the recent news I've seen about them, for next year, they'll train abroad with the best trainers and it's said that all of them will be part of it. So, I think that's an open and a very good progress for which they'll be able to gain a lot of new acquired knowledge and experiences from that possible boot or training camp.

[harizen]

...unless coach Yeng has found something that will beat the system of Bay Area.  Good luck to him, he is a veteran coach but he has past his prime.

Finding a system that can be used against the Bay Area Dragons should be easy. But the problem is, even if they will found a way, are those ROS players capable to execute it properly knowing almost the entire roster of the Dragons are tough to match with?

Even if Coach Yeng is still in his prime, there's a big difference between his players and those Dragons players. For the system to be effective, players should also be capable of doing it. They are totally mismatched with the Dragons and that's a fact. Give Coach Yeng a roster same to those big contenders and for sure he will have a chance of beating this monster team.

[Kelvinid]

...unless coach Yeng has found something that will beat the system of Bay Area.  Good luck to him, he is a veteran coach but he has past his prime.

Finding a system that can be used against the Bay Area Dragons should be easy. But the problem is, even if they will found a way, are those ROS players capable to execute it properly knowing almost the entire roster of the Dragons are tough to match with?

Even if Coach Yeng is still in his prime, there's a big difference between his players and those Dragons players. For the system to be effective, players should also be capable of doing it. They are totally mismatched with the Dragons and that's a fact. Give Coach Yeng a roster same to those big contenders and for sure he will have a chance of beating this monster team.

Although I believe that you might be right, I still think that the ROS has a chance of beating the Bay Area Dragons. That's just my way of convincing myself and expecting that this fight is not gonna be a one sided game, of course I know how good Bay Area Dragons are, so there's no excitement if I will convince myself that they will just dominate the ROS.

[blockman]

Although I believe that you might be right, I still think that the ROS has a chance of beating the Bay Area Dragons. That's just my way of convincing myself and expecting that this fight is not gonna be a one sided game, of course I know how good Bay Area Dragons are, so there's no excitement if I will convince myself that they will just dominate the ROS.

I'm not sure if it was from Yeng the quote that I've read about them not being allowed to have 2-3 more imports while for Bay Area Dragons, they've got more.
Well, if that's for real, I understand the frustration on his part because they're a permanent team in the PBA and as for the Dragons it is also understandable that they've got more since they're a guest team. And AFAIK, they've been thinking or it's already on the plans and will soon be official about their 10-year stay in the PBA thus, expected that they'll have more foreign players, imports.

[jakelyson]

...unless coach Yeng has found something that will beat the system of Bay Area.  Good luck to him, he is a veteran coach but he has past his prime.

Finding a system that can be used against the Bay Area Dragons should be easy. But the problem is, even if they will found a way, are those ROS players capable to execute it properly knowing almost the entire roster of the Dragons are tough to match with?

Even if Coach Yeng is still in his prime, there's a big difference between his players and those Dragons players. For the system to be effective, players should also be capable of doing it. They are totally mismatched with the Dragons and that's a fact. Give Coach Yeng a roster same to those big contenders and for sure he will have a chance of beating this monster team.

Although I believe that you might be right, I still think that the ROS has a chance of beating the Bay Area Dragons. That's just my way of convincing myself and expecting that this fight is not gonna be a one sided game, of course I know how good Bay Area Dragons are, so there's no excitement if I will convince myself that they will just dominate the ROS.

I do not believe that ROS can knockout the twice-to-beat Bay Area Dragons but I think they can at least pull one game from them. A surprise tactics, tough defense, and luck can catch the Dragons off guard, and may lose the first game. That is a probability based on how good their coach is. But, to totally get out of the first round against the Dragons, then that maybe is too much to ask. They can surprise them once but twice in a row, I do not think so.

[LogitechMouse]

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My prediction here are as follows.

Ginebra will beat NO (2-0)
Bay Area will eliminate ROS in 1 game
SMB will beat converge (2-1)
Magnolia will beat Phoenix (2-1)

My prediction is almost the same as this one. The only differences that I think will happen are:
Ginebra will defeat NorthPort 2-1
Magnolia will beat Phoenix 2-0.
This might be a surprise (and a bit of a bias since I'm an SMB fan) but we might see them winning against Converge 2-0.
Bay Area will finish this one in one game easily.

...unless coach Yeng has found something that will beat the system of Bay Area.  Good luck to him, he is a veteran coach but he has past his prime.

Finding a system that can be used against the Bay Area Dragons should be easy. But the problem is, even if they will found a way, are those ROS players capable to execute it properly knowing almost the entire roster of the Dragons are tough to match with?

Even if Coach Yeng is still in his prime, there's a big difference between his players and those Dragons players. For the system to be effective, players should also be capable of doing it. They are totally mismatched with the Dragons and that's a fact. Give Coach Yeng a roster same to those big contenders and for sure he will have a chance of beating this monster team.

Although I believe that you might be right, I still think that the ROS has a chance of beating the Bay Area Dragons. That's just my way of convincing myself and expecting that this fight is not gonna be a one sided game, of course I know how good Bay Area Dragons are, so there's no excitement if I will convince myself that they will just dominate the ROS.

I do not believe that ROS can knockout the twice-to-beat Bay Area Dragons but I think they can at least pull one game from them. A surprise tactics, tough defense, and luck can catch the Dragons off guard, and may lose the first game. That is a probability based on how good their coach is. But, to totally get out of the first round against the Dragons, then that maybe is too much to ask. They can surprise them once but twice in a row, I do not think so.

If they can stop Powell, they might steal one game from the Dragons.
The question is who in ROS can stop that guy?

He is the heart of the whole team, and he is a scoring machine. Stopping him would cause a major effect to the whole team, but how can you stop a scorer who scored 30+ points in every single game and the Dragons are 8-0 when he is the Point Guard. I might be a bit optimistic about the Dragons but that's how good they are right now and with Powell as their import, I don't know if how the ROS will stop him. On the other hand, we might see some tricks coming from Coach Yeng since he already has many experiences coaching so we might see some never seen tricks coming from him that might stop the Dragons.

[Kelvinid]

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My prediction here are as follows.

Ginebra will beat NO (2-0)
Bay Area will eliminate ROS in 1 game
SMB will beat converge (2-1)
Magnolia will beat Phoenix (2-1)

My prediction is almost the same as this one. The only differences that I think will happen are:
Ginebra will defeat NorthPort 2-1
Magnolia will beat Phoenix 2-0.
This might be a surprise (and a bit of a bias since I'm an SMB fan) but we might see them winning against Converge 2-0.
Bay Area will finish this one in one game easily.

We will know the result today on some of the games, we have 2 games today.

Ginebra vs Northport
Converge vs SMB

I was checking the betting odds in my sportsbook but there's no available line yet, anyone here already put their bets on the games later?
I'm curious what would be the spread of the two games.

[Hypnosis00]

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My prediction here are as follows.

Ginebra will beat NO (2-0)
Bay Area will eliminate ROS in 1 game
SMB will beat converge (2-1)
Magnolia will beat Phoenix (2-1)

My prediction is almost the same as this one. The only differences that I think will happen are:
Ginebra will defeat NorthPort 2-1
Magnolia will beat Phoenix 2-0.
This might be a surprise (and a bit of a bias since I'm an SMB fan) but we might see them winning against Converge 2-0.
Bay Area will finish this one in one game easily.

We will know the result today on some of the games, we have 2 games today.

Ginebra vs Northport
Converge vs SMB

I was checking the betting odds in my sportsbook but there's no available line yet, anyone here already put their bets on the games later?
I'm curious what would be the spread of the two games.

You can check on stake.com, they already have the betting odds available if you want to bet early. As expected, Ginebra and SMB are heavy favorites against their respective opponents. We've seen Romeo in their previous game, so I'm expecting him to play more minutes as converge is a tough team this conference, it's a best of 3 so game 1 is very important.

[Questat]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

[Ziskinberg]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

That's reasonable, you have already a big chance that Ginebra will win, the only game that worries me is the SMB vs Converge, it can go either way since Converge has a good import. Still, it's up to you as you are the one taking the risk, remember that whatever the odds are, there's always a risk.

[Fredomago]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

That's reasonable, you have already a big chance that Ginebra will win, the only game that worries me is the SMB vs Converge, it can go either way since Converge has a good import. Still, it's up to you as you are the one taking the risk, remember that whatever the odds are, there's always a risk.

With Perez, Romeo and Fajardo? Converge's Import did really tried but he can't do it alone, his 40points productions can't single carry the team, SMB got the pieces of their last season title, with them all healthy playing together it will be hard for converge to win against them, though it's only the first game of the best of 3 series, but the pressure now is on Converge one more win for SMB and they will move to the next round again.

2nd game now between NP and Gin kings, one more quarter and there's still a lot to happen, Gin kings is on a double digit lead not that comfortable but knowing coach Tim, it's hard to beat them when they have this good lead.

[LogitechMouse]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

That's reasonable, you have already a big chance that Ginebra will win, the only game that worries me is the SMB vs Converge, it can go either way since Converge has a good import. Still, it's up to you as you are the one taking the risk, remember that whatever the odds are, there's always a risk.

With Perez, Romeo and Fajardo? Converge's Import did really tried but he can't do it alone, his 40points productions can't single carry the team, SMB got the pieces of their last season title, with them all healthy playing together it will be hard for converge to win against them, though it's only the first game of the best of 3 series, but the pressure now is on Converge one more win for SMB and they will move to the next round again.

2nd game now between NP and Gin kings, one more quarter and there's still a lot to happen, Gin kings is on a double digit lead not that comfortable but knowing coach Tim, it's hard to beat them when they have this good lead.

Experience.

I believe that when it comes to playoffs, experience is the one of the important factors that might have a huge effect on the outcome of the series and with this one, I believe that the experience of the whole SMB roster in the playoffs will help them defeat Converge who doesn't have that much experience when it comes to playoffs in 2 games. SMB's losses in the elimination are with JMF out because of the injury. Now that he is back, though he only scored 19 points, his presence really is a big factor to their win. 5 players in double digits including Romeo who has 13. I'm very confident that the SMB will sweep this series because of how star-studded this team is and just look at the roster on the 2 teams.

[chaser15]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

We will really never know if it's risky or not until we actually placed a bet on it.

The moment you think it should be a good bet, don't hesitate next time and face the risks.

But regarding the pre-game decision, I'm also hesitant if SMB will win Game 1 although if we talk about the Best-of-3 series, they should win that series. Converge defeated SMB during the eliminations but with no June Mar Fajardo and Terrence Romeo for SMB. Converge is known for upsetting other big teams but maybe it's just that they are new to the pressure of being in the Quarterfinals.

[Kelvinid]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

We will really never know if it's risky or not until we actually placed a bet on it.

The moment you think it should be a good bet, don't hesitate next time and face the risks.

But regarding the pre-game decision, I'm also hesitant if SMB will win Game 1 although if we talk about the Best-of-3 series, they should win that series. Converge defeated SMB during the eliminations but with no June Mar Fajardo and Terrence Romeo for SMB. Converge is known for upsetting other big teams but maybe it's just that they are new to the pressure of being in the Quarterfinals.

If Questat bet on that parlay, he would have won his bet as SMB and Ginebra dominated their opponents, they even have covered the betting spread. This two teams still has a shot of winning the championship, but IMO, Ginebra has the advantage since the crowd always played a big factor.

[Fredomago]

I'm thinking of making a parlay bet, with 2 leg parlay SMB and Ginebra, the odds is 1.600. I think that's still attractive IMO knowing how good SMB and Ginenbra. How you guys? What do you think about that parlay, is it risky or the odds are not good?

That's reasonable, you have already a big chance that Ginebra will win, the only game that worries me is the SMB vs Converge, it can go either way since Converge has a good import. Still, it's up to you as you are the one taking the risk, remember that whatever the odds are, there's always a risk.

With Perez, Romeo and Fajardo? Converge's Import did really tried but he can't do it alone, his 40points productions can't single carry the team, SMB got the pieces of their last season title, with them all healthy playing together it will be hard for converge to win against them, though it's only the first game of the best of 3 series, but the pressure now is on Converge one more win for SMB and they will move to the next round again.

2nd game now between NP and Gin kings, one more quarter and there's still a lot to happen, Gin kings is on a double digit lead not that comfortable but knowing coach Tim, it's hard to beat them when they have this good lead.

Experience.

I believe that when it comes to playoffs, experience is the one of the important factors that might have a huge effect on the outcome of the series and with this one, I believe that the experience of the whole SMB roster in the playoffs will help them defeat Converge who doesn't have that much experience when it comes to playoffs in 2 games. SMB's losses in the elimination are with JMF out because of the injury. Now that he is back, though he only scored 19 points, his presence really is a big factor to their win. 5 players in double digits including Romeo who has 13. I'm very confident that the SMB will sweep this series because of how star-studded this team is and just look at the roster on the 2 teams.

Speaking of Fajardo, he's fit and healthy and seems that he really wanted to win. He is helping and showing why he's the goat of this league. Adding to what you mentioned about experienced, SMB is full of experienced players, anyone can explode and bring help.

The last game was CJ Perez who leads them but with all those stars inside the squad like what i mentioned,
everyone can contribute and bring the spark for the team.

[bisdak40]

Speaking of Fajardo, he's fit and healthy and seems that he really wanted to win. He is helping and showing why he's the goat of this league. Adding to what you mentioned about experienced, SMB is full of experienced players, anyone can explode and bring help.

The last game was CJ Perez who leads them but with all those stars inside the squad like what i mentioned,
everyone can contribute and bring the spark for the team.

Converge was just too unlucky this time as they are facing the SMB Beermen with Fajardo and Romeo healthy once again. Even the coaching brilliance of coach Ayo will not be enough to bring Converge to the semis facing this SMC giant team. On the part of SMB Beermen, it would be interesting to see if they slay the Dragons once they face them in the next round.

Speaking of the Dragons, they will be facing ROS tonight and i'll be backing them this time even if the spread is high.

Bay Area Dragons -15.5 @1.87 vs ROS Elastopainters