[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[eddie13]

Thanks for the fun guys!!

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[eddie13]

@Nutildah

“nutildah   2020-12-16   Reference   I don't agree with eddie13 very often, about anything, but he's a standup guy. In addition to that, he paid out 3 bets, one of which was substantially large. The forum needs more people like eddie, in some ways...”

This isn’t 100% correct..

Just before the election, when I set up the escrow with SM, SM said they forgave the bet and didn’t want to be paid for it if they won, but would still pay if they lost.. I returned the same courtesy if I won, basically forgiving the bet both ways..
That’s why I only paid out to escrow for you and twitch’s bets..

I was set to put all 3 bets into collateral with SM, what I intended to do, but only ended up putting the 2 for you and twitch in escrow with SM because of that..
I was GOING to pay all 3, but the one with SM was called off.. Not by my choice or mention, but by SM..
So I didn’t actually “pay” that one out.. But I 100% would have..

Y’all need to know because I don’t feel good having false info out there about me doing something that I didn’t, especially on my trust page, as you stated..

Kinda feel shitty not paying it out, but I guess I’ll keep it (mostly), but am probably going to do a little something so I can feel ok about it for myself..

So there you have it.. Me and SM called off our payouts..
Paid you guys though..

[suchmoon]

Just before the election

I think it was a week or two after the election, but yeah, true story.

I have no doubt you would have paid up but on the other hand I would have probably spent it on useless crap. Ultimately this wasn't about money anyway. Don't feel bad about it. I'm sure you have better ways to use that coin (e.g. hodl) than I do.

Thanks for playing. It was fun.

[TwitchySeal]

You're a good man, but I can't help myself...

am probably going to do a little something so I can feel ok about it for myself..

https://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund-v2

[nutildah]

OK, I'll change it to something else -- wouldn't want to be accused of leaving false feedback.

[TwitchySeal]

Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC,

You are obviously not a lawyer.  You have no idea what the standards for disbarment are.  Please stop opining from total ignorance—or else hit up West/Lexis, and show some case law applicable to any circumstance even remotely similar.  Every state has mountains of published opinions about its rules of professional conduct for attorneys.  Have fun with that.

Here you go:

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

[vapourminer]

[...] I look forward to reading Trump's tweets every morning up until Jan 20th. Never give up! Lol.

well that aged badly

also i thought this thread would be boring af. all i can say is... NOT

[squatz1]

Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC,

You are obviously not a lawyer.  You have no idea what the standards for disbarment are.  Please stop opining from total ignorance—or else hit up West/Lexis, and show some case law applicable to any circumstance even remotely similar.  Every state has mountains of published opinions about its rules of professional conduct for attorneys.  Have fun with that.

Here you go:

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

Here’s the avenue that they’ll be going down to try to remove him by the way

  NYSBA’s bylaws state that “no person who advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States, or of any state, territory or possession thereof, or of any political subdivision therein, by force or other illegal means, shall be a member of the Association.”

Landmark case for NYSBA. I’d the put the odds at 50/50 of him actually getting disbarred here. May just end up with a pretty hefty punishment from them and a certain amount of time with his license taken away. We’ll see.

[Viper1]

Biden will never be President. Why not? The military has the election fraud knowledge, and so do the militias, and other organizations who have the guns. If Trump isn't given his second term, the election will have to be done over, because Biden will never be accepted because of the fraud.

Here is the plain logic of it. The whole thing is based on having no fraud. So, if Biden gets away with fraud by subverting the Constitution, then the gun people will get away with subverting Biden to maintain the Constitution.

But the Chinese military might step in from Canada to be the guns against the Constitution-abiding military. But the US military guys with their fingers hovering over the nuke launch buttons, just might have to nuke both Canada and China to keep the Chinese military out.

It won't be easy, but what has to be has to be.

How'd that all work out for you?

[BADecker]

Biden will never be President. Why not? The military has the election fraud knowledge, and so do the militias, and other organizations who have the guns. If Trump isn't given his second term, the election will have to be done over, because Biden will never be accepted because of the fraud.

Here is the plain logic of it. The whole thing is based on having no fraud. So, if Biden gets away with fraud by subverting the Constitution, then the gun people will get away with subverting Biden to maintain the Constitution.

But the Chinese military might step in from Canada to be the guns against the Constitution-abiding military. But the US military guys with their fingers hovering over the nuke launch buttons, just might have to nuke both Canada and China to keep the Chinese military out.

It won't be easy, but what has to be has to be.

How'd that all work out for you?

Not sure what you mean by your question. I didn't even attend the fake inauguration. The whole thing isn't over.

War decimates people and production. The Chinese don't want it, and neither do Biden and Trump.

The Chinese might have stepped in for war if Trump had formally been inaugurated. With Biden in, they have no reason to, as he is their puppet.

See my reply at the Kraken thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5293446.msg56155200#msg56155200.

[suchmoon]

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

[squatz1]

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

So what you’re saying SuchMoon is that you don’t support the entrepreneurial support of a GREAT AMERICAN trying to make some money out of a LEGITIMATE CLAIM about election fraud? God you hate to see it.

Maybe he was going to donate his money to the Steve Bannon border wall fundraiser.....

[suchmoon]

So what you’re saying SuchMoon is that you don’t support the entrepreneurial support of a GREAT AMERICAN trying to make some money out of a LEGITIMATE CLAIM about election fraud? God you hate to see it.

Maybe he was going to donate his money to the Steve Bannon border wall fundraiser.....

TBH I'm not a big fan of defamation lawsuits, particularly by large corporations, but these types of cases are notoriously hard to win and Giuliani was deliberately making shit up so this seems to be well deserved. OTOH he doesn't have a billion dollars anyway so this is pretty much a PR play.

[PrimeNumber7]

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

A copy of the Complaint can be found here.

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit. Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case, and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself. I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion.

 

[squatz1]

So what you’re saying SuchMoon is that you don’t support the entrepreneurial support of a GREAT AMERICAN trying to make some money out of a LEGITIMATE CLAIM about election fraud? God you hate to see it.

Maybe he was going to donate his money to the Steve Bannon border wall fundraiser.....

TBH I'm not a big fan of defamation lawsuits, particularly by large corporations, but these types of cases are notoriously hard to win and Giuliani was deliberately making shit up so this seems to be well deserved. OTOH he doesn't have a billion dollars anyway so this is pretty much a PR play.

Oh yeah, totally just a major PR play that they know isn’t going to end up paying them out anyway.

Giuliani could probably just say that all of his claims were made on behalf of the campaign or that he puts on a show and dance as a performer (not sure on the legal claims of all of this, but still) I think that due to Dominion being in the media a lot, they may have a higher bar they must prove in defamation

(Took one law class, awhile ago and this is something)

[PrimeNumber7]

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit.

I'm certain their understanding of the subject and the law as how it applies to them is significantly more advanced than yours.

It is generally not a good idea to make assumptions about people when you do not know their circumstances.

Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case,

That's besides the point. Their business was directly damaged by Giuliani's false claims.

Actually no. Creditors make this decision all the time. If you are owed a million dollars from someone with no assets and no income, and you sue this person in court, all you will get is a worthless judgment and a bill from your lawyers. If the debitor wants to stick it to you, he might take actions to make you get a bigger bill from your lawyers.

and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself.

Nope, that will never happen. Giuliani has effectively castrated himself, removing any remaining power or influence he might have had after his sad warcry at Trump's "let's go down to the capitol" speech. The last person anyone in the world needs to be afraid of at the moment is Rudy Giuliani, unless perhaps you're Rudy Giuliani.

I think you are the one who does not understand how the "law" (or specifically lawsuits) work. When you sue someone, you are opening yourself up to discovery and to being deposed.

I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion. 

You're right. Everyone who can be honest for 2 seconds understands that Trump was full of shit as far as his voter fraud claims were concerned.

If this is the case, Dominion's lawsuit would be frivolous. Dominion is claiming to have suffered $600 million in damages resulting from Guiliani's alleged defamation, but if Guiliani's statements were false on their face, there would be no damages.

[Hueristic]

[suchmoon]

"false on its face."

Ok, that makes sense now

As for discoveries and depositions - that circular fantasy is based on the belief that Dominion has something incriminating to be discovered. Given the circumstances (outlandish claims involving dead dictators etc) there is no such thing, not within the scope of the defamation lawsuit anyway, and no, Giuliani can't just dig into anything he wants. And he'll likely be bankrupt before Dominion is, if it comes to that. But probably they'll just settle for a token amount and Giuliani admitting that he made it all up.

[squatz1]

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

A copy of the Complaint can be found here.

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit. Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case, and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself. I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion.

 

It’s not even about being smart or not, it’s just a way of making a court say that he should shut-up for his claims being totally wrong and having no backing in the least.

I assume they also want the courts to show that everything he has said is wrong as a way to ensure that people on the state and local level will continue to buy their machines — as places where Republicans hold power are going to be wary about using these systems if their voters think they enable fraud.

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