Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[BADecker]

Do you think that doctors are telling us to get the vaxx because they love us so much that they want to get us cured from a virtually non-existent disease (Covid is simply a bad flu.)?

Sincere question to all here that think COVID-19 is just a bad flu (even though proven otherwise without doubt, but let's ignore this fact like y'all like to do): Would you infect yourself with the virus directly? If yes, have you and if not, why not? You'd be immune afterwards and wouldn't be forced to take a vaccine in most countries. If you wouldn't like to voluntarily infect yourself with the virus, why not? Since you're claiming it's so harmless all the time?

I know it's bad advice to tell people to infect themselves with COVID, because it spreads the disease even further, so it causes harm to others even if they don't die from it. But it's a hypothetical question and I'd also argue that COVID deniers don't take COVID safety precautions seriously anyway.

What? Nobody knows how to infect himself with a virus directly. Can you go to the store and get some to infect yourself with? It's nearly impossible to do.

And as far as there being a Covid virus, nobody is willing to show actual isolation of it. Further, nobody is infecting anyone with the so-called Covid virus they say that they have. Somehow people get sick magically, and nobody has more than guesswork as to how it happens. Did you ever see a virus jump from one person to another? Did you ever find a way to prove that somebody picked the virus up from a surface that somebody else touched? It's all circumstantial evidence. None of it has been proven.

If you have real proof that Covid was isolated, show it to us please... not just some words of some jokers that say, "We isolated the Covid virus." The whole Covid thing is a joke. It's the vaccines that are killing us.

[n0nce]

Do you think that doctors are telling us to get the vaxx because they love us so much that they want to get us cured from a virtually non-existent disease (Covid is simply a bad flu.)?

Sincere question to all here that think COVID-19 is just a bad flu (even though proven otherwise without doubt, but let's ignore this fact like y'all like to do): Would you infect yourself with the virus directly? If yes, have you and if not, why not? You'd be immune afterwards and wouldn't be forced to take a vaccine in most countries. If you wouldn't like to voluntarily infect yourself with the virus, why not? Since you're claiming it's so harmless all the time?

I know it's bad advice to tell people to infect themselves with COVID, because it spreads the disease even further, so it causes harm to others even if they don't die from it. But it's a hypothetical question and I'd also argue that COVID deniers don't take COVID safety precautions seriously anyway.

What? Nobody knows how to infect himself with a virus directly. Can you go to the store and get some to infect yourself with? It's nearly impossible to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party <-- this is how you infect yourself with a virus directly - from another infected person. It was done in the millions and it worked (pox is easy to distinguish from a flu, don't you think?)

Did you ever see a virus jump from one person to another?

Well, obviously they're too small to see with the naked eye, but viruses are transferred via small water droplets suspended in the air, like when coughing.
I think you had chickenpox as a child; that's how it got transmitted... How else do you think you got it (just like flus etc.) if not through breathing them in?

[mindrust]

if you read spartacus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362749.0), and you still ask, you deserve to die... seriously, it's not possible.

They just deleted your OP about it..
What bullshit..

I was Kindof reading it then bam gone..

Maybe you didn’t comment enough with your quote or something..
Maybe they found an excuse to censor..

Please post it again..

Holy crap it’s getting deleted from everywhere, he is an archive..
https://archive.is/FkuML#selection-1857.0-2320.0

Archive doesn’t even work..
Found and reposted https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362795.0

Didn't know that your post could get deleted for expressing an opinion. Maybe this forum became a sjw/woke cesspool too. Thanks for posting backups. You can also read it on zerohedge:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/damn-you-hell-you-will-not-destroy-america-here-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral

Archive link: (zh article)

https://archive.is/5vsIh

If the censorship went this far, I guess I'll have to download the good stuff to my computer from now on.

PDF archive:

https://archive.md/D6yfD

[tvbcof]

Didn't know that your post could get deleted for expressing an opinion. Maybe this forum became a sjw/woke cesspool too. Thanks for posting backups. You can also read it on zerohedge:

bitcointalk.org has had bad-apple moderators in the past, but they have seemed to have been booted or wandered off within a reasonable amount of time.  So far.  It's a bit of a bad omen that moderators are now cloaked in secrecy.  Possible that bitcointalk has had a change-of-ownership.  Seems to happen to every platform eventually.  If so, oh well.  It would have been a hell of a run for a decade which is unusual.  But these are conversations for the meta board.

Some nameless faceless moderator today was not happy with the 'Walmart -> Martlaw' word-play which was half in jest...and half not...  The history of the organization is, um, 'interesting' as is it's present condition.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/damn-you-hell-you-will-not-destroy-america-here-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral

Archive link: (zh article)

https://archive.is/5vsIh

If the censorship went this far, I guess I'll have to download the good stuff to my computer from now on.

PDF archive:

https://archive.md/D6yfD

WELL past time.  I use a unix system and it's pretty easy to use youtube-dl (quickly updated to cover most other platforms when they arise) for multimedia and tools like wget and curl to grab web pages, pdf docs, etc.

If a video buffers at all, I just download it and it ends up in my archive whether it's a waste of time or not.  Fucking with people's internet connection when they try to view badthink material ends up being counter-productive in this way.

Occasional backups (I use rsync to make life easy) are a good idea as well.

Ironically, the tiny fraction of data which makes it past the memory hole vortex to be enjoyed by 'future generations' will be especially content-rich, and skewed toward that which would be of interest to 'conspiracy theorists'.

It is easy to assume that European 'dark ages' people were exceptionally God-fearing and pious based on written material from that era.  Probably not so; it's just that by-n-large, only religious people knew how to write.

[Tash]

It will be a ugly death winter. Immunocompromised be falling in unprecedented numbers.
https://humansarefree.com/2021/09/covid-19-deaths-higher-than-this-time-last-year.html

[hornetsnest]

Former Notre Dame Professor Who Said, “Damn the Unvaccinated” Dies Two Weeks After Receiving 3rd Covid Shot

By Cristina Laila
Published September 29, 2021 at 1:47pm


A week later, Heisler started to have complications and cursed the unvaccinated.

"So still waiting to see a doc although they have run tests. Still no room in hospital or in ER bay. PA announcement just said ER could not accept more patients. This is a BIG hospital. Damn the unvaccinated. They have made life hell for a lot of people."


Heisler said her cardiologist tried to admit her to the hospital but there are no rooms because of Covid.

"Welcome to the reality of the Covid crisis in Florida. My cardiologist tried to admit me to the hospital but there are no rooms because of Covid. Had to go ER route. Place is a teaming and the waiting room stretches into hallways. Wait for some is 15 hours. Get the damn vaccine."


About two weeks after her third Covid jab, Karen Croake Heisler passed away.

According to Heisler’s obituary, she died of “cancer-related complications” on September 19.


 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/former-notre-dame-professor-said-damn-unvaccinated-dies-two-weeks-receiving-3rd-covid-shot/


The lady above peace be upon her and her grieving family if she was alive should consider this:

2020: Frontline hero treating dying COVID patients while the rest of the country is on Zoom

2021: Many of same unvaxxed frontline hero is now Unemployed and about to have their unemployment benefits cut

[Tash]

Same story again and again this shots are pure evil.
Dr. Carrie Madej: First U.S. Lab Examines “Vaccine” Vials, HORRIFIC Findings Revealed
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/09/dr-carrie-madej-first-u-s-lab-examines-vaccine-vials-horrific-findings-revealed/

[mindrust]

https://twitter.com/EliseiNicole/status/1442878794520539140

#Australia Melbourne’s Health Minister Martin Foley:” Of the people who were in hospital yesterday, 78% were vaccinated and 17 % were partially vaccinated.”

So much for a working vaccine.

[BADecker]

As vaxxed people die, we shouldn't be burying them. They contaminate the ground. We need to incinerate them in plasma arc furnaces, back into their original atoms... http://www.httcanada.com/furnaceso.html and https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=garbage+plasma+arc+furnaces&ia=web.


The Vaccine Death Report reveals that MILLIONS of people have died from covid vaccines

Drs. David John Sorenson and Vladimir Zelenko have released a new report that suggests millions of people have already died from Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines.”

While the official government count is only in the thousands, Sorenson and Zelenko say that the true number of serious adverse events caused by the shots is significantly higher.

“The Vaccine Death Report,” as they are calling it, sticks strictly to solid facts. There are no unfounded claims and the data presented is clear and verifiable. All associated references are included for proper peer review.

“The data shows that we are currently witnessing the greatest organized mass murder in the history of our world,” the report states.

“The severity of this situation compels us to ask this critical question: will we rise up to the defense of billions of innocent people? Or will we permit personal profit over justice, and be complicit?”

Already, lawyers are networking to prepare class action lawsuits in response to the report’s finding. This is a global genocide in action and many, sadly, still believe that it is about “public safety.”

“Hundreds of millions of people worldwide are rising up against this criminal operation,” the report states. “To all who have been complicit so far, we say: There is still time to turn and choose the side of truth. Please make the right choice.”

CDC health care fraud detection whistleblower says VAERS wildly underreports vaccine injuries, deaths

At the very least, there are five times more deaths from the jabs than are being reported. In all likelihood, the actual figure is much higher.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) currently logs more than half a million cases of severe side effects from the shots, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions, seizures, inflammation of the brain and spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune disease, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness, narcolepsy and cataplexy.

...

[Ems.]

Im not expert for the vaccine but in my own opinion,only i can say 50% i trust 50% i don't trust ...hard situation to answer but for base my observation about those already vaccinated,why those people who have the vaccine ,why still got sick that virus..that's why,only 50/50 i trust the vaccine..as long you eat fruits ,vegetables,maintain to be strong your immune system ,surely the best  way to protect ourself.

[Lordhermes]

I don't trust the vaccine because based on what I have heard and seen, the rate of people posting about the vaccine, telling people not to use it that it kills and also, the rate of death victims is much so based on this,I think the vaccine could not be trusted to a certain extent.
It's now been observed that most person's that took the vaccine still feel the same way they felt before despite being vaccinated,thereby causing a chaos in the society,giving people a doubt about the vaccine.

[Tash]

Why would anyone trust it? Forced to resign, busted and on the way to inspect the new detention center from the inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qWJC81-GaA

[Ultegra134]

I don't trust the vaccine because based on what I have heard and seen, the rate of people posting about the vaccine, telling people not to use it that it kills and also, the rate of death victims is much so based on this,I think the vaccine could not be trusted to a certain extent.
It's now been observed that most person's that took the vaccine still feel the same way they felt before despite being vaccinated,thereby causing a chaos in the society,giving people a doubt about the vaccine.

I don't get what exactly you've heard and seen, more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered, with over 2.66 billion people being fully vaccinated. And how many of those developed severe side effects? A few thousands would be an overly optimistic guess. In terms of percentage, it'd be less than 0.0005% of the total delivered doses.

At least those vaccines we have in Europe and USA, have gone through rigorous testing and all needed phases, while the Pfizer one is already approved from the FDA.

[BitcoinBunny]

I don't trust the vaccine because based on what I have heard and seen, the rate of people posting about the vaccine, telling people not to use it that it kills and also, the rate of death victims is much so based on this,I think the vaccine could not be trusted to a certain extent.
It's now been observed that most person's that took the vaccine still feel the same way they felt before despite being vaccinated,thereby causing a chaos in the society,giving people a doubt about the vaccine.

I don't get what exactly you've heard and seen, more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered, with over 2.66 billion people being fully vaccinated. And how many of those developed severe side effects? A few thousands would be an overly optimistic guess. In terms of percentage, it'd be less than 0.0005% of the total delivered doses.

At least those vaccines we have in Europe and USA, have gone through rigorous testing and all needed phases, while the Pfizer one is already approved from the FDA.

I can buy the fact the vaccines prevent large numbers of elderly and vulnerable people from dying of Covid-19. But it is not a magical cure. In many places there are now more vaccinated people dying than unvaccinated, simply due to high numbers of vaccine uptake.
The intention was clear last year to roll this out to people who needed it most. Slowly but surely this vaccine was/is being rolled out to everyone. Now they are vaccinating children and even wanting to go down to people as young as babies.
Those children already were completely immune to dying from Covid-19, pretty much the same chance of that happening as dying from the vaccines in fact. Here in the UK the government even admitted that a second doze of Pfizer (since we have come to understand that two means "fully vaccinated") presents a higher risk in heart inflammation. In fact the Astra Zeneca vaccine is out of the question for younger individuals. That doesn't sound too safe to me.

So the idea has suddenly changed from preventing death in Covid-19 to try to wipe out Covid-19 entirely through vaccination in humans.

How would this be possible if the disease supposedly spread from animals?

We already see the effectiveness of the vaccine "waning" so a "booster shot" is required in elderly and care staff (probably being rolled out to everyone eventually).

This again does not bode well in the supposed quest to try to wipe out Covid-19 surely.

In actual fact it seems thus that the "vaccine" is more like an annual flu jab.

We never "vaccinated" children to try to eradicate flu. In fact we have never eradicated any disease that jumps from animals (OR is that narrative with Covid-19 not true? which again would boost conspiracy theories and make them factual if the Wuhan lab is the source).

I can definitely understand why conspiracy theories are out there and why the scare tactics of the media and government are scrutinised by people who simply don't believe the narrative that more shots will help.

People are still wearing masks. We still have ridiculous travel rules and tests even when 80% of populations are double vaccinated (the original estimate at which we would have "herd immunity"). This herd immunity is totally not working out.

Couple all this together with the whole no jab no job attitude of governments and literally shaming health workers into having a jab, the people who were trying to keep people alive during the worst of the pandemic.

Again I can understand why conspiracy theories are doing well and why those voices are getting louder.
Politicians have not done badly out of this at all. Still on the same pay, still as many about. Why would anyone trust them over this when they have been spouting contradictions themselves? (Joe Biden 2020: "Now they are talking about a vaccine. Will you get the shot first? Will you?" Joe Biden 2021: "I'm tired with the unvaccinated Americans". In fact he talks worse about them than the fucking Taliban!)

Politicising the pandemic was/is the wrong move. The only way to vaccinate as many people as some politicians want would be through holding people at gun point. Is the pandemic REALLY THAT serious? I doubt it.

It only took 1 person to supposedly spread Covid to millions. It is never going to go away even if you could vaccinate 90% of the people of earth. Impossible. I don't believe that for 1 minute.

Vaccinating children to keep elderly alive also seems quite sinister.
The UK government sort of admitted it does not really help the children health wise, but helps them not having to isolate. Yeah isolate, a rule invented by politicians and health representatives themselves.
So they are admitting that vaccines are being recommended for their own rules over actual health advice.
That just seems bizarre to me.

[Natsuu]

The Vaccine Death Report reveals that MILLIONS of people have died from covid vaccines[/b]

Drs. David John Sorenson and Vladimir Zelenko have released a new report that suggests millions of people have already died from Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines.”

.....

Another day another conspiracy, First sentence "Zelenko have released a new report that suggests millions of people have already died from Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines.” yet the title of the article is in conclusion that it is already true. lmao

And of course, another people believing to this will file cases and cases to the court with lousy evidences, as always.

[n0nce]

I don't trust the vaccine because based on what I have heard and seen, the rate of people posting about the vaccine, telling people not to use it that it kills and also, the rate of death victims is much so based on this,I think the vaccine could not be trusted to a certain extent.
It's now been observed that most person's that took the vaccine still feel the same way they felt before despite being vaccinated,thereby causing a chaos in the society,giving people a doubt about the vaccine.

I don't get what exactly you've heard and seen, more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered, with over 2.66 billion people being fully vaccinated. And how many of those developed severe side effects? A few thousands would be an overly optimistic guess. In terms of percentage, it'd be less than 0.0005% of the total delivered doses.

At least those vaccines we have in Europe and USA, have gone through rigorous testing and all needed phases, while the Pfizer one is already approved from the FDA.

Yeah; it's pathetic. They claim super high mortality rates in vaccinated people, yet half of the world is vaccinated and it's not like the population numbers have dropped by 50%

[BADecker]

I don't trust the vaccine because based on what I have heard and seen, the rate of people posting about the vaccine, telling people not to use it that it kills and also, the rate of death victims is much so based on this,I think the vaccine could not be trusted to a certain extent.
It's now been observed that most person's that took the vaccine still feel the same way they felt before despite being vaccinated,thereby causing a chaos in the society,giving people a doubt about the vaccine.

I don't get what exactly you've heard and seen, more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered, with over 2.66 billion people being fully vaccinated. And how many of those developed severe side effects? A few thousands would be an overly optimistic guess. In terms of percentage, it'd be less than 0.0005% of the total delivered doses.

At least those vaccines we have in Europe and USA, have gone through rigorous testing and all needed phases, while the Pfizer one is already approved from the FDA.

Yeah; it's pathetic. They claim super high mortality rates in vaccinated people, yet half of the world is vaccinated and it's not like the population numbers have dropped by 50%

But your first mistake is in not having done the count yourself. I haven't either. So, we rely on what others show... hearsay. We have to rely that the people on the ground - usually in government - are giving us correct and accurate numbers. Then we have to trust the in-between people who tabulate the numbers. Then the people who put together data tables. Then the drawers of the charts and graphs.

When you look at the few governments that didn't play the Covid game, and the few governments that are forcing their citizens to be vaxxed, you can see from those statistics that the vaxxes are producing way more Covid than the unvaxxed ever got naturally.

Again, that is tabulation with government fingers in it. So, the thing to do is find the contradictions right in the CDC. VAERS shows that there are over 16,000 deaths from the vaxxes, and Harvard School of Medicine shows that VAERS doesn't get even 1% of what is really happening. This means at least 1.6 million vaxx deaths so far.

Open VAERS - https://openvaers.com/ - shows this info, and more. But if you don't trust Open VAERS, there are links on the Open VAERS pages that take you right to the CDC sources - which are way more difficult to dig through; Open VAERS makes it easy for you.

So, at very best, the CDC has contradictions within itself. And such contradictions are a red flag to me. There is no way to trust when there are contradictions as big as the VAERS contradictions are.

[n0nce]

But your first mistake is in not having done the count yourself. I haven't either. So, we rely on what others show... hearsay. We have to rely that the people on the ground - usually in government - are giving us correct and accurate numbers. Then we have to trust the in-between people who tabulate the numbers. Then the people who put together data tables. Then the drawers of the charts and graphs.

I mean; I do love 'don't trust, verify', but you cannot be honest with yourself believing you personally verify everything you do, use and consume

Just a few examples that you probably haven't verified:
* BIOS of the machine you're looking at
* OS of the machine you're looking at
* Firmware of the keyboard you are using; it may be spying on you
* Your food. It's all self-grown and self-fed from your backyard? Don't think so.
* Alternative medicines that you may be taking. You produce them yourself? If not, how do you verify those?

In general, you can't feasibly verify everything.

When it comes to numbers of any kind, you can never be sure they're 100% correct, but there's also no way to prove they're wrong.

I also need to repeat my argument: for a conspiracy where every country, agency, university, etc. reports the same numbers, same scientific studies etc., would mean an insane international collaboration of a level and competence that I don't see possible with the incompetence of most top-level politicians around the world right now!

[BADecker]

But your first mistake is in not having done the count yourself. I haven't either. So, we rely on what others show... hearsay. We have to rely that the people on the ground - usually in government - are giving us correct and accurate numbers. Then we have to trust the in-between people who tabulate the numbers. Then the people who put together data tables. Then the drawers of the charts and graphs.

I mean; I do love 'don't trust, verify', but you cannot be honest with yourself believing you personally verify everything you do, use and consume

Just a few examples that you probably haven't verified:
* BIOS of the machine you're looking at
* OS of the machine you're looking at
* Firmware of the keyboard you are using; it may be spying on you
* Your food. It's all self-grown and self-fed from your backyard? Don't think so.
* Alternative medicines that you may be taking. You produce them yourself? If not, how do you verify those?

In general, you can't feasibly verify everything.

When it comes to numbers of any kind, you can never be sure they're 100% correct, but there's also no way to prove they're wrong.

I also need to repeat my argument: for a conspiracy where every country, agency, university, etc. reports the same numbers, same scientific studies etc., would mean an insane international collaboration of a level and competence that I don't see possible with the incompetence of most top-level politicians around the world right now!

Your problem with this kind of thinking is that you have self-verification when you do it. So, we are right back to the beginning. Get out there and do the counts yourself, so that you can see that they are being done correctly... self-verification.

Or simply forget knowing the data about Covid and the vaxx.

[Ultegra134]

The Vaccine Death Report reveals that MILLIONS of people have died from covid vaccines[/b]

Drs. David John Sorenson and Vladimir Zelenko have released a new report that suggests millions of people have already died from Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines.”

.....

Another day another conspiracy, First sentence "Zelenko have released a new report that suggests millions of people have already died from Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines.” yet the title of the article is in conclusion that it is already true. lmao

And of course, another people believing to this will file cases and cases to the court with lousy evidences, as always.

He's pathetic to say the list, he is quoting a website that's named "Natural News", claiming to fight for the right of freedom, yada yada, reminds me of the 'MURICA Freedom memes.

Not to mention that in all its articles, it's citing itself as the source, which is basically implying that all of it is nonsense crap. It's ridiculous.