Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[hornetsnest]

[Xinarae*]

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly.

Well because what it does in your body is very logical and basically the same as with traditional vaccines: your body produces antibodies, stores info in memory B cells and destroys the mRNA. The mRNA is then gone within hours so it can’t cause any effect in the future. The only effects that it will cause will be few hours after the shot. After that it‘s just gone.
Antibodies and memory B cells are created upon detecting the newly created (and later destroyed) spike proteins just the same way as in a traditional vaccine, so there‘s no added risk there. We know exactly how the antibodies and memory cells behave since they are created in the same fashion as always. Just a reaction to new unknown spike proteins.

Vaccination is an easy safe and effective way to protect against an infectious disease before it comes into contact with an infected person. Polio diphtheria pertussis tetanus and measles can be prevented by vaccination when we get vaccinated we protect not only ourselves but also the people around us. Some people are advised not to take certain vaccines in which case those who receive the vaccine help prevent the spread of the disease.

[Natsuu]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

[mindrust]

[tvbcof]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

Not suprisingly, it seems to have escaped you that one can study something and come to the conclusion that it is OK.  Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.  In many many cases they've come to the logical conclusion that some vaccines are not OK for the purposes that they are marketed.

Of the long list of 'idiocity', only in the case of vaccines is it not OK to even study something.

[BADecker]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

And a little more... keep on taking vaccines for Covid, and you must be anti-life... Over 14,000 dead from the Covid vaxxes (according to the CDC https://openvaers.com/covid-data), and that is only 1% of what is really happening, according to Harvard.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

[n0nce]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I predict an incoming post about how everyone who studied medicine is just paid for by BiG pHaRmA and how conspiracy sites which only exist to sell overpriced snake oil to gullible morons are actually the only reliable source of facts.

[tvbcof]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I avail of information from many sources (although not Facebook since I never had an account on any of the social media platforms.)  When I want detailed info on a subject such as vaccines, I regularly dive into papers published in established scientific journals.  As a matter of fact, it's quite shocking to see how many issues with vaccines and the technology are talked about in these venues.  It's just that people who don't or cannot read such papers never see it, and the mainstream media (or you guy's favorite: Facebook) certainly won't help you here.

As for 'medical school', I'm pleased to say that no, I have done exactly zero days in medical school.  The curriculum is highly controlled and I estimate that 95% of the victims come out as fairly brainless pill dispenser clerks.  Sure, they can recite approved data, but they seem to totally lack any ability to listen to and analyze almost any somewhat challenging medical issue, and especially one for which no profitable pharmaceutical is available.

I diagnosed my most recent medical issue which started at about the time I got 'covid' 9 months ago.  The Ivermectin (dosed as an anti-parasitic appropriate for my body weight) cleared it right up.  Or at least made a notable positive effect.  It's certainly raised some questions in my mind about what, exactly 'covid' is and how it spreads around.

[n0nce]

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I predict an incoming post about how everyone who studied medicine is just paid for by BiG pHaRmA and how conspiracy sites which only exist to sell overpriced snake oil to gullible morons are actually the only reliable source of facts.

That's absolutely correct, I would predict that as well. It's the same patterns with all kinds of conspiracy theorists.
This really gets a topic of psychology - a very interesting field that I want to expand my knowledge about.
My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

I diagnosed my most recent medical issue which started at about the time I got 'covid' 9 months ago.  The Ivermectin (dosed as an anti-parasitic appropriate for my body weight) cleared it right up.  Or at least made a notable positive effect.  It's certainly raised some questions in my mind about what, exactly 'covid' is and how it spreads around.

You have a sample size of 1 AND cannot know if that stuff actually helped you or your body did it all by itself with or without it, same thing as with placebo homeopathics.
Your story is at best a funny anecdote and at worst a lie for all we know, but certainly not science

[o_e_l_e_o]

I estimate that 95% of the victims come out as fairly brainless pill dispenser clerks.

Called it. Your bullshit is so predictable.

My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

I brought up Dunning-Kruger earlier in this thread, and tvbcof's response was that he is SO much more intelligent than everyone else that it doesn't apply to him. Yes, really: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg55785175#msg55785175

Edit: Lol he's doubling down on it. Incredible.

[tvbcof]

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My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

My problem historically has been the reverse of the so-called 'Dunning-Kruger effect'.  That is to say, I expect people to be competent and if they hold a medical degree for example, at least as smart as I am.  Laboring under such an assumption has caused a huge amount of aggravation so I am slowly coming around to understanding the way the world actually is.

[nutildah]

Must be exhausting being such feckless cowards 24/7.

[tvbcof]

I estimate that 95% of the victims come out as fairly brainless pill dispenser clerks.

Called it. Your bullshit is so predictable.

My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

I brought up Dunning-Kruger earlier in this thread, and tvbcof's response was that he is SO much more intelligent than everyone else that it doesn't apply to him. Yes, really: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg55785175#msg55785175

Edit: Lol he's doubling down on it. Incredible.

That is called 'reiterating'; not 'doubling down'.

Honestly, some people would benefit by knowing that they might actually be better off intellectually than others for various reasons, and one of the reasons is certainly the deleterious effect that formal education can have on reasoning ability, curiosity, etc.  Schools get the results that their funders desire, and competence in some fields is absolutely not desirable.  A classic example would be medical school and the medical/industrial complex.

If the plandemic has shown us anything it is how totally fucked the 'doctors' are and how they have been wrong about almost everything.  Fighting a coronavirus via isolation is jaw-droppingly absurd to any semi-informed person who knows anything about medicine, and the results have been predictably dismal.  I confidently predicted that when the jabs arrived we'd have massive spikes in 'covid'.  This was easy because it's not difficult to see what 'covid' is and what the 'vaccines' are.  And more importantly, to understand what 'doctors' are, or at least what 90%-95% of them are:  quivering jello, brainless tools, and down-right duplicitous in a lot of cases.  Even more cases than I would have though before the plandemic kicked off and ripped off their masks.

Anyway, there are 5% to 10% of good doctors and medical scientist such as Dr. Peter McCullough and they produce enough information to keep a curious mind like mine occupied with actually valid, valuable, and actionable information.

[n0nce]

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My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

My problem historically has been the reverse of the so-called 'Dunning-Kruger effect'.  That is to say, I expect people to be competent and if they hold a medical degree for example, at least as smart as I am.  Laboring under such an assumption has caused a huge amount of aggravation so I am slowly coming around to understanding the way the world actually is.

I know you don't want to hear this, but the aggravation comes from the fact that you think you're smarter than professionals and tell them that, while you're not.
You're the prime example for someone who's right on the peak of the Dunning-Kruger curve. But since you are, you can't see it.

I have to say, this whole discussion has given me a few chuckles multiple times already, it's really entertaining to see the Dunning-Kruger effect in full action

[tvbcof]

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My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

My problem historically has been the reverse of the so-called 'Dunning-Kruger effect'.  That is to say, I expect people to be competent and if they hold a medical degree for example, at least as smart as I am.  Laboring under such an assumption has caused a huge amount of aggravation so I am slowly coming around to understanding the way the world actually is.

I know you don't want to hear this, but the aggravation comes from the fact that you think you're smarter than professionals and tell them that, while you're not.
You're the prime example for someone who's right on the peak of the Dunning-Kruger curve. But since you are, you can't see it.

I have to say, this whole discussion has given me a few chuckles multiple times already, it's really entertaining to see the Dunning-Kruger effect in full action

Trolling is fun.

The key to a successful troll is that it has to have an element of truth.  The more the better, and I always shoot for 100% just out of principle because I am also a proud 'truther'.  It's this truth which really brings in the bites because it 'triggers' those who are either consciously or unconsciously liars.  Especially lying to themselves.

[mindrust]

Trolling is fun.

The key to a successful troll is that it has to have an element of truth.  The more the better, and I always shoot for 100% just out of principle because I am also a proud 'truther'.  It's this truth which really brings in the bites because it 'triggers' those who are either consciously or unconsciously liars.  Especially lying to themselves.

Going full truth often makes you a victim.

Look at Ned Stark. He was as stiff as an arrow. Now he doesn't have a head and his oldest girl r*ped by a basturd.

Not convinced? How about, Jeor Mormont? He was a man of honor. Yet he was betrayed by his own men he called brothers. At the end of the night, some dipshit was drinking wine from his fucking skull.

Anyway, in most occasions, I actually agree with our overlords. The world is overpopulated, there needs to be some cleaning, most people are dumb af and don't deserve to live or have the luxury of having a free will etc.. It is just, I don't want to be one of them so... I guess I'll have to resist.

I believe, In a few years people won't even remember that covid19 existed.

[Gyfts]

Prestigious and omniscient Dr. Fauci having zero clue of what he's talking about:

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1436366439901024262

Read the paper for yourself, make up your own mind - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

It's amusing that lost in the discussion of herd immunity are the naturally immunized. It's taboo to mention that the naturally immunized don't need the vaccine, and the reluctance is by the health professionals to admit that the naturally immunized don't need the vaccine is also concerning.

Waning immunity is the only concern for the previously infected, unvaxed. Vaccines can give you longer immunity before needing a booster, but Israel has already required 4th boosters, so it seems even they are not confident that vaccinated immunity lasts.

WHO Chief says to pause the discussion on booster shots, two FDA officials resigned over a booster program.

[tvbcof]

Going full truth often makes you a victim.

Look at Ned Stark. He was as stiff as an arrow. Now he doesn't have a head and his oldest girl r*ped by a basturd.

Not convinced? How about, Jeor Mormont? He was a man of honor. Yet he was betrayed by his own men he called brothers. At the end of the night, some dipshit was drinking wine from his fucking skull.

I don't do fiction so I had to look up those names.  Anyway 'the truth can set you free', but it can also get you strung up to be sure.  Look at the minority of real 'medical professionals' who are unusually wired for truth and boldness, and how they have suffered the consequences with job lose...and worse...

Anyway, in most occasions, I actually agree with our overlords. The world is overpopulated, there needs to be some cleaning, most people are dumb af and don't deserve to live or have the luxury of having a free will etc.. It is just, I don't want to be one of them so... I guess I'll have to resist.

The elephant in the room with this line of thinking is why on earth would 'they' want 'us' (people who can for some unknown reason see what's happening) around?

I believe, In a few years people won't even remember that covid19 existed.

I doubt that most people will be able to remember their own names in a few years.   Being able to do so will be a 'super power'.  That's certainly the trajectory we seem to be on as we ride the pharma train over the cliff.