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September 11, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
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The elephant in the room with this line of thinking is why on earth would 'they' want 'us' (people who can for some unknown reason see what's happening) around

I don't think they want us around. They want us to comply and since we won't comply, the situation will get messy. Either they will send us their gestapo officers and drag us by our arms to the vaccination camps or they'll pretend like we don't exist. I am fine with the second option.

I am ready to live in a world where I don't visit theaters, restaurants, foreign countries etc but I know that's not going to please them for long. Sooner or later there will be a fight.

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September 11, 2021, 10:06:09 AM
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The elephant in the room with this line of thinking is why on earth would 'they' want 'us' (people who can for some unknown reason see what's happening) around

I don't think they want us around. They want us to comply and since we won't comply, the situation will get messy. Either they will send us their gestapo officers and drag us by our arms to the vaccination camps or they'll pretend like we don't exist. I am fine with the second option.

I am ready to live in a world where I don't visit theaters, restaurants, foreign countries etc but I know that's not going to please them for long. Sooner or later there will be a fight.

The main real hope I see is that some of the insider technocrats wake up and smell the coffee and realize that their own necks are on the block as well, and probably just as soon as this 'full spectrum dominance' phase is complete.  Hopefully they will at least squirrel some good stuff away for future struggles, and maybe feed some of it out to people who will try to fight their way out when backed into a corner.

I'm actually looking forward with morbid fascination to seeing how various kinds of 'innovations' can be used to do various things with the wired up drones/zombies, and the security forces will be the most heavily wired among them.  A fundamental part of natural law is the right to self defense, and corp/gov contractors who are in a hurry always make serious security mistakes.


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September 11, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
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Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

Ah stop with your nonsense please.Forget about Dunning-Kruger Effect and all that shyte and go deprogramme yourself from that serious case of Helsinki syndrome you are suffering from. Many scientists and academics who are far better qualified than you or I are against this "experimental" vaccine. Even the dogs on the street know the residual income stream from vaccines is just a kickback to the fuckers who are helping roll out your new regime  Wink

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A group of 57 leading scientists, doctors and policy experts have released a report calling in to question the safety and efficacy of the current COVID-19 vaccines and are now calling for an immediate end to all vaccine programs. We urge you to read and share this damning report.

There are two certainties regarding the global distribution of Covid-19 vaccines. The first is that governments and the vast majority of the mainstream media are pushing with all their might to get these experimental drugs into as many people as possible. The second is that those who are willing to face the scorn that comes with asking serious questions about vaccines are critical players in our ongoing effort to spread the truth.

You can read an advanced copy of this manuscript in preprint below. It has been prepared by nearly five dozen highly respected doctors, scientists, and public policy experts from across the globe to be urgently sent to world leaders as well as all who are associated with the production and distribution of the various Covid-19 vaccines in circulation today.

There are still far too many unanswered questions regarding the Covid-19 vaccines’ safety, efficacy, and necessity. This study is a bombshell that should be heard by everyone, regardless of their views on vaccines. There aren’t nearly enough citizens who are asking questions. Most people simply follow the orders of world governments, as if they have earned our complete trust. They haven’t done so. This manuscript is a step forward in terms of accountability and the free flow of information on this crucial subject. Please take the time to read it and share it widely.
SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety that demand answers from international health agencies, regulatory authorities, governments and vaccine developers

Roxana Bruno1, Peter McCullough2, Teresa Forcades i Vila3, Alexandra Henrion-Caude4, Teresa García-Gasca5, Galina P. Zaitzeva6, Sally Priester7, María J. Martínez Albarracín8, Alejandro Sousa-Escandon9, Fernando López Mirones10, Bartomeu Payeras Cifre11, Almudena Zaragoza Velilla10, Leopoldo M. Borini1, Mario Mas1, Ramiro Salazar1, Edgardo Schinder1, Eduardo A Yahbes1, Marcela Witt1, Mariana Salmeron1, Patricia Fernández1, Miriam M. Marchesini1, Alberto J. Kajihara1, Marisol V. de la Riva1, Patricia J. Chimeno1, Paola A. Grellet1, Matelda Lisdero1, Pamela Mas1, Abelardo J. Gatica Baudo12, Elisabeth Retamoza12, Oscar Botta13, Chinda C. Brandolino13, Javier Sciuto14, Mario Cabrera Avivar14, Mauricio Castillo15, Patricio Villarroel15, Emilia P. Poblete Rojas15, Bárbara Aguayo15, Dan I. Macías Flores15, Jose V. Rossell16, Julio C. Sarmiento17, Victor Andrade-Sotomayor17, Wilfredo R. Stokes Baltazar18, Virna Cedeño Escobar19, Ulises Arrúa20, Atilio Farina del Río21, Tatiana Campos Esquivel22, Patricia Callisperis23, María Eugenia Barrientos24, Karina Acevedo-Whitehouse5,*

1Epidemiólogos Argentinos Metadisciplinarios. República Argentina.
2Baylor University Medical Center. Dallas, Texas, USA.
3Monestir de Sant Benet de Montserrat, Montserrat, Spain
4INSERM U781 Hôpital Necker-Enfants Malades, Université Paris Descartes-Sorbonne Cité, Institut Imagine, Paris, France.
5School of Natural Sciences. Autonomous University of Querétaro, Querétaro, Mexico.
6Retired Professor of Medical Immunology. Universidad de Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
7Médicos por la Verdad Puerto Rico. Ashford Medical Center. San Juan, Puerto Rico.
8Retired Professor of Clinical Diagnostic Processes. University of Murcia, Murcia, Spain
9Urologist Hospital Comarcal de Monforte, University of Santiago de Compostela, Spain.
10Biólogos por la Verdad, Spain.
11Retired Biologist. University of Barcelona. Specialized in Microbiology. Barcelona, Spain.
12Center for Integrative Medicine MICAEL (Medicina Integrativa Centro Antroposófico Educando en Libertad). Mendoza, República Argentina.
13Médicos por la Verdad Argentina. República Argentina. ´
14Médicos por la Verdad Uruguay. República Oriental del Uruguay.
15Médicos por la Libertad Chile. República de Chile.
16Physician, orthopedic specialist. República de Chile.
17Médicos por la Verdad Perú. República del Perú.
18Médicos por la Verdad Guatemala. República de Guatemala.
19Concepto Azul S.A. Ecuador.
20Médicos por la Verdad Brasil. Brasil.
21Médicos por la Verdad Paraguay.
22Médicos por la Costa Rica.
23Médicos por la Verdad Bolivia.
24Médicos por la Verdad El Salvador.
* Correspondence: Karina Acevedo-Whitehouse, karina.acevedo.whitehouse@uaq.mx
Abstract

Since the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, the race for testing new platforms designed to confer immunity against SARS-CoV-2, has been rampant and unprecedented, leading to emergency authorization of various vaccines. Despite progress on early multidrug therapy for COVID-19 patients, the current mandate is to immunize the world population as quickly as possible. The lack of thorough testing in animals prior to clinical trials, and authorization based on safety data generated during trials that lasted less than 3.5 months, raise questions regarding the safety of these vaccines. The recently identified role of SARS-CoV-2 glycoprotein Spike for inducing endothelial damage characteristic of COVID-19, even in absence of infection, is extremely relevant given that most of the authorized vaccines induce the production of Spike glycoprotein in the recipients. Given the high rate of occurrence of adverse effects, and the wide range of types of adverse effects that have been reported to date, as well as the potential for vaccine-driven disease enhancement, Th2-immunopathology, autoimmunity, and immune evasion, there is a need for a better understanding of the benefits and risks of mass vaccination, particularly in the groups that were excluded in the clinical trials. Despite calls for caution, the risks of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination have been minimized or ignored by health organizations and government authorities. We appeal to the need for a pluralistic dialogue in the context of health policies, emphasizing critical questions that require urgent answers if we wish to avoid a global erosion of public confidence in science and public health.
Introduction

Since COVID-19 was declared a pandemic in March 2020, over 150 million cases and 3 million deaths have been reported worldwide. Despite progress on early ambulatory, multidrug-therapy for high-risk patients, resulting in 85% reductions in COVID-19 hospitalization and death [1], the current paradigm for control is mass-vaccination. While we recognize the effort involved in development, production and emergency authorization of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, we are concerned that risks have been minimized or ignored by health organizations and government authorities, despite calls for caution [2-8].

Vaccines for other coronaviruses have never been approved for humans, and data generated in the development of coronavirus vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies show that they may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) and Th2 immunopathology, regardless of the vaccine platform and delivery method [9-11]. Vaccine-driven disease enhancement in animals vaccinated against SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV is known to occur following viral challenge, and has been attributed to immune complexes and Fc-mediated viral capture by macrophages, which augment T-cell activation and inflammation [11-13].

In March 2020, vaccine immunologists and coronavirus experts assessed SARS-CoV-2 vaccine risks based on SARS-CoV-vaccine trials in animal models. The expert group concluded that ADE and immunopathology were a real concern, but stated that their risk was insufficient to delay clinical trials, although continued monitoring would be necessary [14]. While there is no clear evidence of the occurrence of ADE and vaccine-related immunopathology in volunteers immunized with SARS-CoV-2 vaccines [15], safety trials to date have not specifically addressed these serious adverse effects (SAE). Given that the follow-up of volunteers did not exceed 2-3.5 months after the second dose [16-19], it is unlikely such SAE would have been observed. Despite92 errors in reporting, it cannot be ignored that even accounting for the number of vaccines administered, according to the US Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System (VAERS), the number of deaths per million vaccine doses administered has increased more than 10-fold. We believe there is an urgent need for open scientific dialogue on vaccine safety in the context of large-scale immunization. In this paper, we describe some of the risks of mass vaccination in the context of phase 3 trial exclusion criteria and discuss the SAE reported in national and regional adverse effect registration systems. We highlight unanswered questions and draw attention to the need for a more cautious approach to mass vaccination.
SARS-CoV-2 phase 3 trial exclusion criteria

With few exceptions, SARS-CoV-2 vaccine trials excluded the elderly [16-19], making it impossible to identify the occurrence of post-vaccination eosinophilia and enhanced inflammation in elderly people. Studies of SARS-CoV vaccines showed that immunized elderly mice were at particularly high risk of life-threatening Th2 immunopathology [9,20]. Despite this evidence and the extremely limited data on safety and efficacy of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines in the elderly, mass-vaccination campaigns have focused on this age group from the start. Most trials also excluded pregnant and lactating volunteers, as well as those with chronic and serious conditions such as tuberculosis, hepatitis C, autoimmunity, coagulopathies, cancer, and immune suppression [16-29], although these recipients are now being offered the vaccine under the premise of safety.

Another criterion for exclusion from nearly all trials was prior exposure to SARS-CoV-2. This is unfortunate as it denied the opportunity of obtaining extremely relevant information concerning post-vaccination ADE in people that already have anti-SARS-Cov-2 antibodies. To the best of our knowledge, ADE is not being monitored systematically for any age or medical condition group currently being administered the vaccine. Moreover, despite a substantial proportion of the population already having antibodies [21], tests to determine SARS-CoV-2-antibody status prior to administration of the vaccine are not conducted routinely.
Will serious adverse effects from the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines go unnoticed?

COVID-19 encompasses a wide clinical spectrum, ranging from very mild to severe pulmonary pathology and fatal multi-organ disease with inflammatory, cardiovascular, and blood coagulation dysregulation [22-24]. In this sense, cases of vaccine-related ADE or immunopathology would be clinically-indistinguishable from severe COVID-19 [25]. Furthermore, even in the absence of SARS-CoV-2 virus, Spike glycoprotein alone causes endothelial damage and hypertension in vitro and in vivo in Syrian hamsters by down-regulating angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and impairing mitochondrial function [26]. Although these findings need to be confirmed in humans, the implications of this finding are staggering, as all vaccines authorized for emergency use are based on the delivery or induction of Spike glycoprotein synthesis. In the case of mRNA vaccines and adenovirus-vectorized vaccines, not a single study has examined the duration of Spike production in humans following vaccination. Under the cautionary principle, it is parsimonious to consider vaccine-induced Spike synthesis could cause clinical signs of severe COVID-19, and erroneously be counted as new cases of SARS-CoV-2 infections. If so, the true adverse effects of the current global vaccination strategy may never be recognized unless studies specifically examine this question. There is already non-causal evidence of temporary or sustained increases138 in COVID-19 deaths following vaccination in some countries (Fig. 1) and in light of Spike’s pathogenicity, these deaths must be studied in depth to determine whether they are related to vaccination.
Unanticipated adverse reactions to SARS-CoV-2 vaccines

Another critical issue to consider given the global scale of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination is autoimmunity. SARS-CoV-2 has numerous immunogenic proteins, and all but one of its immunogenic epitopes have similarities to human proteins [27]. These may act as a source of antigens, leading to autoimmunity [28]. While it is true that the same effects could be observed during natural infection with SARS-CoV-2, vaccination is intended for most of the world population, while it is estimated that only 10% of the world population has been infected by SARS-CoV-2, according to Dr. Michael Ryan, head of emergencies at the World Health Organization. We have been unable to find evidence that any of the currently authorized vaccines screened and excluded homologous immunogenic epitopes to avoid potential autoimmunity due to pathogenic priming.

Some adverse reactions, including blood-clotting disorders, have already been reported in healthy and young vaccinated people. These cases led to the suspension or cancellation of the use of adenoviral vectorized ChAdOx1-nCov-19 and Janssen vaccinesin some countries. It has now been proposed that vaccination with ChAdOx1-nCov-19 can result in immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) mediated by platelet-activating antibodies against Platelet factor-4, which clinically mimics autoimmune heparin-induced thrombocytopenia [29]. Unfortunately, the risk was overlooked when authorizing these vaccines, although adenovirus-induced thrombocytopenia has been known for more than a decade, and has been a consistent event with adenoviral vectors [30]. The risk of VITT would presumably be higher in those already at risk of blood clots, including women who use oral contraceptives [31], making it imperative for clinicians to advise their patients accordingly.

At the population level, there could also be vaccine-related impacts. SARS-CoV-2 is a fast-evolving RNA virus that has so far produced more than 40,000 variants [32,33] some of which affect the antigenic domain of Spike glycoprotein [34,35]. Given the high mutation rates, vaccine-induced synthesis of high levels of anti-SARS-CoV-2-Spike antibodies could theoretically lead to suboptimal responses against subsequent infections by other variants in vaccinated individuals [36], a phenomenon known as “original antigenic sin” [37] or antigenic priming [38]. It is unknown to what extent mutations that affect SARS-CoV-2 antigenicity will become fixed during viral evolution [39], but vaccines could plausibly act as selective forces driving variants with higher infectivity or transmissibility. Considering the high similarity between known SARS-CoV-2 variants, this scenario is unlikely [32,34] but if future variants were to differ more in key epitopes, the global vaccination strategy might have helped shape an even more dangerous virus. This risk has recently been brought to the attention of the WHO as an open letter [40].
Discussion

The risks outlined here are a major obstacle to continuing global SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Evidence on the safety of all SARS-CoV-2 vaccines is needed before exposing more people to the184 risk of these experiments, since releasing a candidate vaccine without time to fully understand the resulting impact on health could lead to an exacerbation of the current global crisis [41]. Risk-stratification of vaccine recipients is essential. According to the UK government, people below 60 years of age have an extremely low risk of dying from COVID-191 187 . However, according to Eudravigillance, most of the serious adverse effects following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination occur in people aged 18-64. Of particular concern is the planned vaccination schedule for children aged 6 years and older in the United States and the UK. Dr. Anthony Fauci recently anticipated that teenagers across the country will be vaccinated in the autumn and younger children in early 2022, and the UK is awaiting trial results to commence vaccination of 11 million children under 18. There is a lack of scientific justification for subjecting healthy children to experimental vaccines, given that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that they have a 99.997% survival rate if infected with SARS-CoV-2. Not only is COVID-19 irrelevant as a threat to this age group, but there is no reliable evidence to support vaccine efficacy or effectiveness in this population or to rule out harmful side effects of these experimental vaccines. In this sense, when physicians advise patients on the elective administration of COVID-19 vaccination, there is a great need to better understand the benefits and risk of administration, particularly in understudied groups.

In conclusion, in the context of the rushed emergency-use-authorization of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, and the current gaps in our understanding of their safety, the following questions must be raised:

    Is it known whether cross-reactive antibodies from previous coronavirus infections or vaccine206 induced antibodies may influence the risk of unintended pathogenesis following vaccination with COVID-19?
    Has the specific risk of ADE, immunopathology, autoimmunity, and serious adverse reactions been clearly disclosed to vaccine recipients to meet the medical ethics standard of patient understanding for informed consent? If not, what are the reasons, and how could it be implemented?
    What is the rationale for administering the vaccine to every individual when the risk of dying from COVID-19 is not equal across age groups and clinical conditions and when the phase 3 trials excluded the elderly, children and frequent specific conditions?
    What are the legal rights of patients if they are harmed by a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine? Who will cover the costs of medical treatment? If claims were to be settled with public money, has the public been made aware that the vaccine manufacturers have been granted immunity, and their responsibility to compensate those harmed by the vaccine has been transferred to the tax-payers?

In the context of these concerns, we propose halting mass-vaccination and opening an urgent pluralistic, critical, and scientifically-based dialogue on SARS-CoV-2 vaccination among scientists, medical doctors, international health agencies, regulatory authorities, governments, and vaccine developers. This is the only way to bridge the current gap between scientific evidence and public health policy regarding the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. We are convinced that humanity deserves a deeper understanding of the risks than what is currently touted as the official position. An open scientific dialogue is urgent and indispensable to avoid erosion of public confidence in science and public health and to ensure that the WHO and national health authorities protect the interests of humanity during the current pandemic. Returning public health policy to evidence-based medicine, relying on a careful evaluation of the relevant scientific research, is urgent. It is imperative to follow the science.

1 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/covid-19-confirmed-deaths-in-england-report
Conflict of Interest Statement

The authors declare that the research was conducted in the absence of any commercial or financial relationships that could be construed as a potential conflict of interest.
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Number of new COVID-19 deaths in relation to number of people that have received at least one vaccine dose for selected countries. Graph shows data from the start of vaccination to May 3rd 365 , 2021. A) India (9.25% of population vaccinated), B) Thailand (1.58% of population vaccinated), C) Colombia (6.79% of population vaccinated), D) Mongolia (31.65% of population vaccinated), E) Israel (62.47% of population vaccinated), F) Entire world (7.81% of population vaccinated). Graphs were built using data from Our World in Data (accessed 4 May 2021) https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data/vaccinations




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Many scientists and academics who are far better qualified than you or I are against this "experimental" vaccine.

And much more are not. If your argument for taking the vaccine is due to the number of professionals who are against and in favor. Then you will lose perfectly.

Though, we don't have such data's to provide as evidence... but there are data's that shows the percentage of in favor and against in general public.

Findings
16% of respondents displayed high levels of mistrust about vaccines across one or more domains. Distrustful attitudes towards vaccination were higher amongst individuals from ethnic minority backgrounds, with lower levels of education, lower annual income, poor knowledge of COVID-19, and poor compliance with government COVID-19 guidelines. Overall, 14% of respondents reported unwillingness to receive a vaccine for COVID-19, whilst 23% were unsure. The largest predictors of both COVID-19 vaccine uncertainty and refusal were low-income groups (< £16,000, a year), having not received a flu vaccine last year, poor adherence to COVID-19 government guidelines, female gender, and living with children. Amongst vaccine attitudes, intermediate to high levels of mistrust of vaccine benefit and concerns about future unforeseen side effects were the most important determinants of both uncertainty and unwillingness to vaccinate against COVID-19.

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Several coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are currently in human trials. In June 2020, we surveyed 13,426 people in 19 countries to determine potential acceptance rates and factors influencing acceptance of a COVID-19 vaccine. Of these, 71.5% of participants reported that they would be very or somewhat likely to take a COVID-19 vaccine, and 48.1% reported that they would accept their employer’s recommendation to do so. Differences in acceptance rates ranged from almost 90% (in China) to less than 55% (in Russia). Respondents reporting higher levels of trust in information from government sources were more likely to accept a vaccine and take their employer’s advice to do so.

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CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work
https://theexpose.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Pierpont-Why-mandated-vaccines-are-pointless-final-1.pdf

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CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work
https://theexpose.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Pierpont-Why-mandated-vaccines-are-pointless-final-1.pdf

No they didn't.

They found it does work.

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Side effect Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis from the experimental genetic modifying chemical soup also called a vaccine. Thanks but no thanks
https://www.cureus.com/articles/68051-toxic-epidermal-necrolysis-post-covid-19-vaccination---first-reported-case

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Side effect Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis from the experimental genetic modifying chemical soup also called a vaccine. Thanks but no thanks
https://www.cureus.com/articles/68051-toxic-epidermal-necrolysis-post-covid-19-vaccination---first-reported-case

We live in a 'new normal' world where images of the vaccine 'working' are NSFW on forums like Bitcointalk and grounds for post deletion by the moderators, yet are considered minor temporary inconveniences in the mainstream media and among the normies of sheepsville and MUCH better than getting the dreaded common cold.


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More and more information and proof is appearing to confirm that natural immunity is superior to vaccine generated pseudo-immunity.

But a thinking person could work this out for himself.

Vaccines need good natural immunity to have any effect.

Current vaccines are based on a virus from at least 3 generations of virus ago.

Current vaccines just check for the spike protein, but there are 28 proteins on the Covid envelope. Natural immunity can look for all 28.

Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,

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More and more information and proof is appearing to confirm that natural immunity is superior to vaccine generated pseudo-immunity.

But a thinking person could work this out for himself.

Vaccines need good natural immunity to have any effect.

Current vaccines are based on a virus from at least 3 generations of virus ago.

Current vaccines just check for the spike protein, but there are 28 proteins on the Covid envelope. Natural immunity can look for all 28.

Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,

Pfizer is coming out with a 'new' drug which is the functional equiv of Ivermectin.  Some are calling it Pfizermectin.

I've heard that Austrailia has banned prescriptions of Ivermectin now, but are gladly giving it out to the 'vaccinated' people.  There are not enough confirmations on that yet.

Story here:

  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/pfizers-new-pill-does-same-thing-as-ivermectin/

But it doesn't start until about 6 min in due to 'technical issues'.  Also, as I write this, Ryan has not yet updated the page to provide the show notes.  That is one of the main reasons I find the time to watch much of his work.


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Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,
That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.

There's really no way to tell for the immune system where those unknown spike proteins come from.

In both cases, antibodies are produced and the information is stored long-term in memory B cells.

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That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.


That is true, but natural immunity takes account of the other 27 proteins on the envelop, and not just the spike. Also, virus mutations with a changed spike are not recognised by the vaccine,but they can be detected by natural immunity if it hasn't been messed up.

Never forget that vaccines rely on your natural immunity, so why bother with an imperfect pharma product when God has given you a very effective system that has worked for thousands of years.

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That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.


That is true, but natural immunity takes account of the other 27 proteins on the envelop, and not just the spike. Also, virus mutations with a changed spike are not recognised by the vaccine,but they can be detected by natural immunity if it hasn't been messed up.

Never forget that vaccines rely on your natural immunity, so why bother with an imperfect pharma product when God has given you a very effective system that has worked for thousands of years.
Exactly.
But to this day there is no cure found for "believe". If someone believes a toxic soup slapped together in two days is better than thousand of years tested and tried immune system, then there is no help, lost cause.

In a sense covid is the new black plague, the people who kiss the bacteria invested feet of the holy figures to evade end up dying.
Nowadays the more die the more seek help in some miracle injection.

Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

Been doing some international traveling in recent times and i can tell you, you must have very very thick skin if unvaccineted and never tested. And the "Karen's", woow some viper there, once they moved on things start to normalize.

We know we know, Israeli Health Minister saying to the Interior Minister "there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the Covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate".
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1437396043424059396





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They found it does work.
I'm glad there's someone else with a brain in this endless nonsense thread. Thanks.
Yes, of course it works, as we all* knew full well. But you can't use facts and evidence to convince these people; their positions are entirely emotional; they are anti-vax zealots, anti-vax with a slavering, religious fervour, and nothing will shake them from their irrational beliefs.


CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work
As I say, you won't be convinced by something as outrageous as evidence, but I shall keep trying. Perhaps you might be interested in this paper, published today, by the Office of National Statistics?

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 2 July 2021

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Between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses, which is 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). There were 458 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who received their second dose at least 21 days before the date of death. Deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths in this group, compared with 37.4% in unvaccinated individuals.


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Many scientists and academics who are far better qualified than you or I are against this "experimental" vaccine.

And much more are not. If your argument for taking the vaccine is due to the number of professionals who are against and in favor. Then you will lose perfectly.

Though, we don't have such data's to provide as evidence... but there are data's that shows the percentage of in favor and against in general public.

Findings
16% of respondents displayed high levels of mistrust about vaccines across one or more domains. Distrustful attitudes towards vaccination were higher amongst individuals from ethnic minority backgrounds, with lower levels of education, lower annual income, poor knowledge of COVID-19, and poor compliance with government COVID-19 guidelines. Overall, 14% of respondents reported unwillingness to receive a vaccine for COVID-19, whilst 23% were unsure. The largest predictors of both COVID-19 vaccine uncertainty and refusal were low-income groups (< £16,000, a year), having not received a flu vaccine last year, poor adherence to COVID-19 government guidelines, female gender, and living with children. Amongst vaccine attitudes, intermediate to high levels of mistrust of vaccine benefit and concerns about future unforeseen side effects were the most important determinants of both uncertainty and unwillingness to vaccinate against COVID-19.

Abstract
Several coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are currently in human trials. In June 2020, we surveyed 13,426 people in 19 countries to determine potential acceptance rates and factors influencing acceptance of a COVID-19 vaccine. Of these, 71.5% of participants reported that they would be very or somewhat likely to take a COVID-19 vaccine, and 48.1% reported that they would accept their employer’s recommendation to do so. Differences in acceptance rates ranged from almost 90% (in China) to less than 55% (in Russia). Respondents reporting higher levels of trust in information from government sources were more likely to accept a vaccine and take their employer’s advice to do so.

While yall are arguing here about digital currencies and vaccines the party boys over at the Bank of International settlements are rubbing their fat hands together at the good of it.

Social credit systems are an integral part of the vision for the new central bank digital currencies (CBDC) but they would never get compliance for a global standardised ID system that can track a users location in real time so this is where the plandemic solves that issue and allows the perfect pretext to create such a system and using the graduation process build on top of this platform "build back better" (they are fucking laughing at you while they party hard together as you hide under the bed waiting for them to release you on a collar and leash).

The Chinese slogan 'We will allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven, while making it hard for the discredited (mainly as in not paying back your loan for some useless shit made in china) to take a single step' is your future.

That's the endgame. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not.Your new digital gulag has already been designed and created.This is just how it will be rolled out. Once y'all on the ration card ye be queuing up to be chipped like a dog.

Next up will be war provoked by the devils puppets on both sides ( deVil always works both sides on the pitch to set one against the other),high fossil fuel prices,food shortages from the bread baskets,threat of nuclear annhilation.

Y'all better get right with Jesus and repent and apologise to the Almighty God for your arrogance before the Antichrist shows his face and rounds y'all up like monkeys to be chipped. The hour of mercy is closing ...choose wisely my furry little friends. Satan is NOT your friend and will discard and burn you like a piece of thrash once he has made use of you. Flee to Jesus before it's too late and your faith is sealed.

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As I say, you won't be convinced by something as outrageous as evidence, but I shall keep trying. Perhaps you might be interested in this paper, published today, by the Office of National Statistics?

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 2 July 2021

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Between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses, which is 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). There were 458 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who received their second dose at least 21 days before the date of death. Deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths in this group, compared with 37.4% in unvaccinated individuals.


This is a pretty good example of corp/gov fraud and propaganda, and it gets the lower-end people, such as the author of the post, all the time.

 - One would assume that if you got the jab, got sicker and sicker over the next few days and died, you would be classified as a 'vaccinated person', or at least not an 'unvaccinated person'.  Nope.  This is actually covered by weasel wording (2nd dose at least 21 days before blah, blah, blah) but they know that the retards won't read or understand such thing.  But wait, it gets better.

 - Most of my family got the jab when it came near the beginning of the year, and the 2nd jab on schedule.  So, a month and a half after they got the first jab they were 'vaccinated' of course.  Not so fast.  For the purpose of tallying the numbers, one stops being 'vaccinated' and goes back to be 'unvaccinated three months after the 2nd jab.  So there is only a 2.5 month window where one is tally'ed as being vaccinated.

 - Not also that the death only has to 'involve COVID-19'.  It's super easy for a person who had massive head trauma leading to death to be 'involved' covid-19 if the person was diagnosed with the supposed disease half a year ago.  OTOH, it's perfectly possible for a technically 2.5-month-window 'vaccinated' person to be labeled as dying from pneumonia which had nothing to do with 'covid-19'.  You just have to incentivize the right people to write the right things on the right paperwork.

 - Nextly note that the time period covered includes mostly early on when many many fewer jabs had been given and the percentaged of jabed people would have been lower.  When some actual thinking person asked the goobmint why they are ignoring the last 2.5 months of data, they basically said 'Oh, we're still collating that.'  WTF good is a computer system and database if can barely collect data from nearly a quarter ago, and if you cannot even do that, you expect us to believe that you have an eagle-eye open for any 'vaccine' problems?!

These 'reports' are a joke.  Half the time if you look close enough the numbers are just spit out of 'models' which are generated from closed source code and data, and the results of which heavily favor the big-Pharma eugenicist's goals.

All the vax-tards have are a complete inability to conceive of a world where government officials could ever skew data or work for anyone but 'we the people'.  They think that 'we' somehow don't know what the government is saying, and if we did we would of course see things 'the right way.'  In actual fact, we tend to know very well what the corp/gov is saying, why they are saying it, and the deceitful propaganda they use almost all the time in a high-value operation like the scamdemic.  Knowing the means/motive/opportunity of the bureaucrats is THE reason we look for alternate sources.  Most of us will probably still not 'love Big Brother' even after you criminalize failure to do so.  It's just not an option we can avail in the same way that you cannot imagine a world without Him.


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This is a pretty good example of corp/gov fraud and propaganda, and it gets the lower-end people, such as the author of the post, all the time.
You guys are cherry-picking hard Grin
First: wow look, this report says the vaccine doesn’t work!
Next: oh no no, this other report is totally fake, of course it’s fake.

Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.

How is the first doctor not indoctrinated if he had the same education?
It all doesn’t add up, you gotta admit Cheesy

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September 13, 2021, 08:14:10 PM
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Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.
You've arrived at the crux of the matter.

They choose a conclusion, then search desperately for anyone who says anything which supports that conclusion (regardless of how plainly moronic that statement is), meanwhile ignoring the mountains of evidence and 99.9% of doctors and scientists who disagree with them because they are all part of bIg PhArMa. No amount of evidence will ever change their mind, because they fundamentally do not understand even the most basic principles of how science works.
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September 13, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
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Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.
You've arrived at the crux of the matter.

They choose a conclusion, then search desperately for anyone who says anything which supports that conclusion (regardless of how plainly moronic that statement is), meanwhile ignoring the mountains of evidence and 99.9% of doctors and scientists who disagree with them because they are all part of bIg PhArMa. No amount of evidence will ever change their mind, because they fundamentally do not understand even the most basic principles of how science works.

I put the most stock in people who use logic correctly, don't get caught lying to me, and provide good reference to their source material.  Period.  Lots of people on the 'anti-vax side' are people who I find either non-credible, or not having yet developed a record to be trustworthy.

I a long time ago bin-ed Dr. 'no such thing as virus' Kaufman as a probably dis-info agent.  Basically the flat-earther equiv in biology-science land.  It only works because there has been a ton of fraud around viruses for about 100 years dating back to the 'Spanish flu' (caused by a Rochefeller vaccine operation which created a bacterial pneumonia which worked very well) at least.  I also remain unconvinced about the precise nature of the use of graphene oxide (though I do think that there is a 'there there' in some manner.)  I'm waiting for an analysis from one of the scientists who I have developed some confidence in before I'll take a strong position on that.

It's interesting how you guys get so triggered by the concept that government authorities could ever seek to used dishonesty to affect a political objective.  I see it happen all the time, and have throughout history.  Nearly every war was started by a lie (Gulf of Tonkin, WMD's in Iraq, etc, etc, etc.)  How you guys can forget all these things and be utterly convinced to stay with the FDA, CDC, WHO, etc and only with them is actually pretty amazing to watch.  This is double true because they get caught in lies and changing their story all the time.  And, of course, they use such child mentality level devices to do their propaganda (which I couldn't help but notice was dealt with in the normal way:  snipped without a response.)


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September 13, 2021, 08:40:26 PM
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and provide good reference to their source material.
Your source material is bitchute, which just proves my point about not understanding basic scientific principles.
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