Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[o48o]

It's could be kind of cute how you guys believe anything pro-putler in the internet.

If you followed the link in my previous message, you would see that this is some kind of Greek resource, not Russian. Of course, you can always say that this is a pro-Russian Greek resource, simply because you don't like its content - and this is a common practice. But in this case, I want to ask you, but you yourself are not a victim of propaganda that is simply directed against Russia?

The truth is not always pleasant, and if you reject everything that does not fit into your worldview, then you are living a lie.

Oh yeah, we have pro russian "news sites" too, but we also have enough education to tell the difference between trustworthy sites and utter garbage.
But if i print a pro putin zine with a vague article about secret moon trans nazis, you would use it as a source, wouldn't you.

Funny enough pronews has same exact % of weekly usage that pro russia fake news site has in finland
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/digital-news-report-2018.pdf

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[be.open]

It's could be kind of cute how you guys believe anything pro-putler in the internet.

If you followed the link in my previous message, you would see that this is some kind of Greek resource, not Russian. Of course, you can always say that this is a pro-Russian Greek resource, simply because you don't like its content - and this is a common practice. But in this case, I want to ask you, but you yourself are not a victim of propaganda that is simply directed against Russia?

The truth is not always pleasant, and if you reject everything that does not fit into your worldview, then you are living a lie.

Oh yeah, we have pro russian "news sites" too, but we also have enough education to tell the difference between trustworthy sites and utter garbage.
But if i print a pro putin zine with a vague article about secret moon trans nazis, you would use it as a source, wouldn't you.

Funny enough pronews has same exact % of weekly usage that pro russia fake news site has in finland
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/digital-news-report-2018.pdf

Who are "we"? Do you represent here some group of people with formed common interests, or are you just talking about yourself in the plural?
Or maybe you're pregnant and there are two of you?

[suchmoon]

Of course, we will never know the details of the incident, because no one recognizes the presence of these NATO officials in Ukraine at that moment.

What happened to all the NATO generals and biolabs in Azovstal bunkers? How come we stopped hearing about it as soon as Russians took Mariupol? I'm guessing this new 400ft-deep NATO bunker is made of the same type of bullshittium.

[be.open]

Of course, we will never know the details of the incident, because no one recognizes the presence of these NATO officials in Ukraine at that moment.

What happened to all the NATO generals and biolabs in Azovstal bunkers? How come we stopped hearing about it as soon as Russians took Mariupol? I'm guessing this new 400ft-deep NATO bunker is made of the same type of bullshittium.

I do not rule out that the Russian generals are so stupid that they fired six hypersonic missiles at the same time (more than a whole year from the start of the operation) simply because they can, and there was never any bunker there.

When is the spring offensive? I'm already bored again. Last time, when I got bored, the Armed Forces of Ukraine pleased me with peppy maneuvers in the area of ​​Kherson and Kharkov. I hope this time I will not be disappointed.

[suchmoon]

I do not rule out that the Russian generals are so stupid that they fired six hypersonic missiles at the same time (more than a whole year from the start of the operation) simply because they can, and there was never any bunker there.

Or they didn't fire any missiles at all because no money was left over from buying yachts and paying rent for their kids in Dubai. You know, the things that have been documented quite well. Unlike the 400ft deep crater filled with corpses of NATO generals.

[be.open]

I do not rule out that the Russian generals are so stupid that they fired six hypersonic missiles at the same time (more than a whole year from the start of the operation) simply because they can, and there was never any bunker there.

Or they didn't fire any missiles at all because no money was left over from buying yachts and paying rent for their kids in Dubai. You know, the things that have been documented quite well. Unlike the 400ft deep crater filled with corpses of NATO generals.

Do you think there were no missiles at all, and the CNN, citing Yuriy Ignat, a representative of the Ukrainian Air Force command, published a lie?

[suchmoon]

Do you think there were no missiles at all, and the CNN, citing Yuriy Ignat, a representative of the Ukrainian Air Force command, published a lie?

Sorry, I didn't realize this attack from 3 weeks ago is the one that supposedly hit the bunker. Ok, so poor generals didn't get as many yachts as usual, but where is the 400ft crater? Surely there must be satellite pictures from the glorious Russian Aerospace Forces?

[be.open]

Do you think there were no missiles at all, and the CNN, citing Yuriy Ignat, a representative of the Ukrainian Air Force command, published a lie?

Sorry, I didn't realize this attack from 3 weeks ago is the one that supposedly hit the bunker. Ok, so poor generals didn't get as many yachts as usual, but where is the 400ft crater? Surely there must be satellite pictures from the glorious Russian Aerospace Forces?

Yep, we're talking about a massive missile attack three weeks ago. About the fact that as a result of the strike a buried bunker with NATO officers was hit, I learned from a message in a Greek source at the link above. Ukrainian and Russian sources limited themselves to reports that there was a missile strike, without much detail.

[TwitchySeal]

Sorry, I didn't realize this attack from 3 weeks ago is the one that supposedly hit the bunker.

Neither did he.  One fake news site wrote an article based on another fake news sites article from weeks earlier.  I bet they got a ton more clicks by making it look like it just happened recently.

(From the article below)

ProNews did indeed publish such an article, though references to it misleadingly suggest this was a recent development, whereas the article was in fact published earlier this month, on March 12.

Do you think there were no missiles at all, and the CNN, citing Yuriy Ignat, a representative of the Ukrainian Air Force command, published a lie?

Sorry, I didn't realize this attack from 3 weeks ago is the one that supposedly hit the bunker. Ok, so poor generals didn't get as many yachts as usual, but where is the 400ft crater? Surely there must be satellite pictures from the glorious Russian Aerospace Forces?

Yep, we're talking about a massive missile attack three weeks ago. About the fact that as a result of the strike a buried bunker with NATO officers was hit, I learned from a message in a Greek source at the link above. Ukrainian and Russian sources limited themselves to reports that there was a missile strike, without much detail.

Seems like you got duped again.


Did Russian Kinzhal Missile Take Out 'NATO Command Center' in Ukraine?

"Greek media: dozens of NATO officers are buried in a secret bunker destroyed by "Daggers" in Ukraine. According to the Greek portal Pronews, received by the editors from "American sources," another post said.

Most of the posts on Twitter and Telegram appeared to base the claim on one of two sources: An obscure Greek news website ProNews and an outlet called "The Intel Drop." The trustworthiness of both sources is highly questionable, however.

TheIntelDrop describes itself as "an unaligned news source for the intelligence and financial community," but the awkward wording, basic grammar mistakes ("oversite") and strange terminology, such as "black propaganda", raise suspicions, indicating that it likely was not written by a native English speaker.

There is also no information about the news outlet's background or ownership. All of the website affiliation data has been "redacted for privacy," according to domain checker WhoIS.

It lists an American conspiracy theorist Gordon Duff among its board members; Duff was previously the chairman of "Veterans Today", a fringe conspiracy and anti-Semitic outlet. Duff himself said "about 30% of what's written on Veterans Today, is patently false."

TheIntelDrop's report cites a number of unverified Twitter accounts and the ProNews article as its source for the claim.

ProNews did indeed publish such an article, though references to it misleadingly suggest this was a recent development, whereas the article was in fact published earlier this month, on March 12.

Back then the article was picked up and shared by pro-Russian users, including one claiming "NATO command and control HQ in #Kiev was struck by Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, many #Pentagon top officials perish in this strike."

However, the Greek website, which has a history of publishing sensationalist and misleading material, such as one article claiming that Florida is seceding from the United States, offers very little in the way of evidence in the original story about the supposed strike.

"Dozens of dead NATO and Ukrainian officers," the article opens, translated from Greek. "Russian hypersonic Kinzhal missile with a target impact speed of Mach 12 (twelve times the speed of sound) managed to hit the Ukrainian-NATO joint command, control and communications center installed at a depth of 130 meters!"

The author simply states: "The Russians say they have pulled 40 dead from the wreckage of the underground headquarters so far, but most will never be recovered as they were buried by the debris."

No specific sources or outlets are mentioned anywhere in the story, which instead proceeds to quote Ukrainian officials, who make no mention of NATO casualties.

While it is unclear what "Russian" sources ProNews based its reporting on, a large-scale shelling of Ukraine did indeed take place on the night of March 9, 2023, as Newsweek reported at the time.

The attack, which Russia called retaliation for a reported sabotage incident that took place days earlier in Russia's border region of Bryanks, involved a wide array of Russian missiles, including the aforementioned Kinzhals.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-nato-ukraine-command-center-strike-kinzhal-missile-1791805

[o48o]

Who are "we"? Do you represent here some group of people with formed common interests, or are you just talking about yourself in the plural?
Or maybe you're pregnant and there are two of you?

If you had use a minute to think about it you would know i would speak about Finnish perspective. But it's quite telling that you rather focus on irrelevant stuff when you know you would fail miserably defending your position otherwise.

[be.open]

Who are "we"? Do you represent here some group of people with formed common interests, or are you just talking about yourself in the plural?
Or maybe you're pregnant and there are two of you?

If you had use a minute to think about it you would know i would speak about Finnish perspective. But it's quite telling that you rather focus on irrelevant stuff when you know you would fail miserably defending your position otherwise.

What does the Finnish perspective have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I am old-fashioned in forum discussions and I try to stick to the topic of the conversation indicated in the title, I also advise you not to produce offtopic here.

Update. Nevertheless, I will tell you what I think about the Finnish question. The year of the special operation in Ukraine clearly showed that NATO suffers from impotence and does not have the potential to resolve the conflict by force in the confrontation with anyone more serious than the partisans from the banana republic. NATO is overgrown with fat, soaked through with the ideas of transhumanism and neo-colonial guilt complexes. Even AUKUS is much more promising and combat-ready. Do you want to talk about it? Choose a more suitable topic and I am at your service.

Seems like you got duped again.

You are probably right, the Russians fired six uninterceptable hypersonic missiles at a non-existent bunker. What a ridiculous and stupid show of force.

[LTU_btc]

Yep, we're talking about a massive missile attack three weeks ago. About the fact that as a result of the strike a buried bunker with NATO officers was hit, I learned from a message in a Greek source at the link above. Ukrainian and Russian sources limited themselves to reports that there was a missile strike, without much detail.

Don't you think that it looks a bit strange that immediately after attack Russia didn't started to brag about "destroying NATO bunker and killing 300 NATO officials"? Russian media caught this message from Greek website just now, few weeks after it was posted.

When is the spring offensive? I'm already bored again. Last time, when I got bored, the Armed Forces of Ukraine pleased me with peppy maneuvers in the area of ​​Kherson and Kharkov. I hope this time I will not be disappointed.

Did someone promised that counteroffensive will begin on 15th March, 1st of April or insert any other date there? It will begin when it will be right time, not when someone is bored. And if you're bored, you can go to frontline to get some "enterntainment"

And meanwhile Finland is just joining NATO. All thanks to Putin as before all this we were never wanted to.

1,340 km more NATO next to Russia. Чтo c лицoм, Пyтин? what's up with the face, Putin?

[af_newbie]

Yep, we're talking about a massive missile attack three weeks ago. About the fact that as a result of the strike a buried bunker with NATO officers was hit, I learned from a message in a Greek source at the link above. Ukrainian and Russian sources limited themselves to reports that there was a missile strike, without much detail.

Don't you think that it looks a bit strange that immediately after attack Russia didn't started to brag about "destroying NATO bunker and killing 300 NATO officials"? Russian media caught this message from Greek website just now, few weeks after it was posted.

When is the spring offensive? I'm already bored again. Last time, when I got bored, the Armed Forces of Ukraine pleased me with peppy maneuvers in the area of ​​Kherson and Kharkov. I hope this time I will not be disappointed.

Did someone promised that counteroffensive will begin on 15th March, 1st of April or insert any other date there? It will begin when it will be right time, not when someone is bored. And if you're bored, you can go to frontline to get some "enterntainment"

And meanwhile Finland is just joining NATO. All thanks to Putin as before all this we were never wanted to.

1,340 km more NATO next to Russia. Чтo c лицoм, Пyтин? what's up with the face, Putin?

So what happened? Did Russia invade Finland? Not yet? What is the delay? Is be.open preparing to have a 'victory' parade in Helsinki?

Nah, Putler would never try to attack NATO. He got his ass handed to him by Ukrainians, imagine what would happen
if he went to Finland. There would be 20M Russians dead, instead of ~200K.

So now, NATO tanks need to cross only ~50km to reach St. Petersburg.  2 hours in good weather, lol.

Nice going bunker deedo.

[TwitchySeal]

Update. Nevertheless, I will tell you what I think about the Finnish question. The year of the special operation in Ukraine clearly showed that NATO suffers from impotence and does not have the potential to resolve the conflict by force in the confrontation with anyone more serious than the partisans from the banana republic.

Would you say Russia hasn't been able to resolve the conflict with force either?

Remember, the conflict is not resolved.  And Russia has been using force, for over a year.

It's also been more than a year since you said this:

The active part of the operation is designed for at least three weeks, do not forget that Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, after Russia. Then, for several more months, it will be necessary to clear the area from gangs with rich historical traditions of Bandera. Do not confuse the desire to minimize civilian casualties with weakness.

And more than a year since you said this:

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Seems like you got duped again.

You are probably right, the Russians fired six uninterceptable hypersonic missiles at a non-existent bunker. What a ridiculous and stupid show of force.

Perhaps the target was a bunker that wasn't a "Nato Command Center".  Is that a possibility you considered or no?

Maybe NATO doesn't even a command center with dozens of NATO officers in a non-NATO country that's been getting shelled for the past year since that would make them an incredibly valuable target for Russia.

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And meanwhile Finland is just joining NATO. All thanks to Putin as before all this we were never wanted to.

Is that a dress for elves or something?

[Branko]

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And meanwhile Finland is just joining NATO. All thanks to Putin as before all this we were never wanted to.

Is that a dress for elves or something?

I heard Finns removed swastika from military insignia so to be able to join NATO.
But its probably just for PR reasons

[TwitchySeal]

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And meanwhile Finland is just joining NATO. All thanks to Putin as before all this we were never wanted to.

Is that a dress for elves or something?

I heard Finns removed swastika from military insignia so to be able to join NATO.
But its probably just for PR reasons

I heard the Russians still don't understand the irony in calling everyone they don't like Nazis while at the same time needing to hire a neo nazi private military group to help them invade another country.

[o48o]

What does the Finnish perspective have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I am old-fashioned in forum discussions and I try to stick to the topic of the conversation indicated in the title, I also advise you not to produce offtopic here.

Update. Nevertheless, I will tell you what I think about the Finnish question. The year of the special operation in Ukraine clearly showed that NATO suffers from impotence and does not have the potential to resolve the conflict by force in the confrontation with anyone more serious than the partisans from the banana republic. NATO is overgrown with fat, soaked through with the ideas of transhumanism and neo-colonial guilt complexes. Even AUKUS is much more promising and combat-ready. Do you want to talk about it? Choose a more suitable topic and I am at your service.
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Off topic? Oh critizing your sources by saying that *insert any country* has pro russian news sites that have their own small following. How convenient that it's off topic to you. Like posting fake news from fringe Georgian news sites isn't that?

You are probably right, the Russians fired six uninterceptable hypersonic missiles at a non-existent bunker. What a ridiculous and stupid show of force.

And just by inserting word NATO in your fake news doesn't make it linked to NATO.
But i guess it's all natos and nazis in your book. No proof needed. So in your case you are either to being lied to or you are lying yourself, i would go for latter as you are playing for Putin here.

[paxmao]

What does the Finnish perspective have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I am old-fashioned in forum discussions and I try to stick to the topic of the conversation indicated in the title, I also advise you not to produce offtopic here.

Update. Nevertheless, I will tell you what I think about the Finnish question. The year of the special operation in Ukraine clearly showed that NATO suffers from impotence and does not have the potential to resolve the conflict by force in the confrontation with anyone more serious than the partisans from the banana republic. NATO is overgrown with fat, soaked through with the ideas of transhumanism and neo-colonial guilt complexes. Even AUKUS is much more promising and combat-ready. Do you want to talk about it? Choose a more suitable topic and I am at your service.
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Off topic? Oh critizing your sources by saying that *insert any country* has pro russian news sites that have their own small following. How convenient that it's off topic to you. Like posting fake news from fringe Georgian news sites isn't that?

You are probably right, the Russians fired six uninterceptable hypersonic missiles at a non-existent bunker. What a ridiculous and stupid show of force.

And just by inserting word NATO in your fake news doesn't make it linked to NATO.
But i guess it's all natos and nazis in your book. No proof needed. So in your case you are either to being lied to or you are lying yourself, i would go for latter as you are playing for Putin here.

Same old arguments, same lame excuses, but it matters little. Finland was not in NATO, now they are. Another of the great triumphs of Putin includes enhancing the NATO border with the RF even more, thus making the world a little less safe once again. I guess he cares little as he is nearly 70 and may loose power far before that is a problem.

Bottom line, aggression is matched with unity, pretty much the opposite Putin expected.

[LTU_btc]

Meanwhile in St. Peterburg someone exploed infamous Russian propagandist Vladlen Tatarsky. And seems that it happened in one of Prigozhin's restaurants:
https://t.me/informnapalm/16492
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/04/02/war-blogger-vladlen-tatarsky-reportedly-killed-in-a-prigozhin-owned-cafe
In one of his video, recorded at Kremlin he said:

We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it

https://t.me/kolezev/13282
It seems that karma finally reached him. Other Russian propagandists won't sleep well tonight.