Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[suchmoon]

More volunteers coming to defend Ukraine:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010803000391/Repr-Dzens-f-Al-Qaeda-Linked-Terrriss-Redeplyed-Ukraine-frm-Syria

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.

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[BADecker]

BADecker will like this:

I believe that with the continuation of the special military operation, it becomes more and more urgent to carry out the de-Satanization of Ukraine.

(written by some KGB stooge so you know this is about as serious as "denazification")

Do not feed the pets please, they are already take a balanced intake of phantasy, delusion, elucubration and wishful thinking that is best for the "piose" as "outsiders" and for a great shiny hair.

There is only one way that de-Satanization works for anybody, be it person, family, or nation. This is through believing in the existence of God and His Son, Jesus. And the believing comes through reading or listening to what is written in the Bible.

The point is, you jokers need to get de-Satanized. If you don't, the pains - and worse - that are being suffered by Ukrainians - and some Russians in Ukraine - will be falling on you one of these days.

[DaRude]

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  

If corruption is main reason for revolution, and it got WORSE after Yanukovych got overthrown,
why we didn't see more revolutions? Could it be that corrupt money was flowing in right
direction after he got overthrown, so there was no reason and no cookies?

Well it didn't get worse after Yanukovych fled to Russia before being impeached and charged for treason, corruption, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up cookies?  Is that really the best thing you can come up with?  The US ambassador handed out cookies to protestors?  

Ukraine wants to join NATO.
NATO won't let Ukraine in as long as Putin Puppets are in power.
Obviously NATO countries will support protests against Putin puppets and be happy to see them removed from power.  Ukraine benefits, NATO benefits.  

It's really that simple.  

Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!



I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
...
 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

[paxmao]

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Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!



I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
...
 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:

20 hr 19 min ago
Ukraine's military intelligence says Russia is reinforcing Kherson with recruits as "cannon fodder"
From CNN's Nic Robertson in Kyiv
Ukraine’s military intelligence says Russia continues to remove its “occupation administration” from the southern Kherson region but is reinforcing the city with recently mobilized recruits and suggests they are being used as “cannon fodder.”

[DaRude]

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Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!



I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
...
 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:

20 hr 19 min ago
Ukraine's military intelligence says Russia is reinforcing Kherson with recruits as "cannon fodder"
From CNN's Nic Robertson in Kyiv
Ukraine’s military intelligence says Russia continues to remove its “occupation administration” from the southern Kherson region but is reinforcing the city with recently mobilized recruits and suggests they are being used as “cannon fodder.”

Ah such a concise and clear explanation, so general wants to take the damn under artillery fire because it's a key for Crimea and that's why it'll accelerate Russian withdrawal? Clear as mud, but who cares just need to arrange words in a somewhat readable sentence, targeted audience can't think for themselves anyway.

"I don't see them [the Russians] running away from Kherson. This is an information attack, I can't disclose everything. This is an attack so that we go there, so that we transfer our troops there from other dangerous directions. It was their [Russian] information operation. They [the Russians] are not ready to leave Kherson. But they know that if we succeed, they won't be able to leave. The Russians are aware of this problem and danger," Zelensky said.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3602356-russians-not-fleeing-from-kherson-besttrained-soldiers-remain-in-place-zelensky.html

Ukraine Situation Report: Intel Chief Says Russia Is Reinforcing Kherson City

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-intel-chief-says-russia-is-reinforcing-kherson-city/ar-AA13kUop

Blowing the Soviet-era dam, which is controlled by Russia, would unleash a wall of devastating floodwater across much of the Kherson region which Russia last month proclaimed as annexed in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-about-be-blown-2022-10-21/

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

[suchmoon]

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

Is there a point you're trying to make or do you just need to vent your ura-patriotism after Putin's speech?

Are Russians not going to run from Kherson?

[DaRude]

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

Is there a point you're trying to make or do you just need to vent your ura-patriotism after Putin's speech?

Are Russians not going to run from Kherson?

The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?! What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists. I'm just glad that Russians are at least evacuating civilians! Ukraine's window of opportunity is shrinking, winter is coming it'll take away mobility and cover which Ukraine managed to greatly use to its advantage. Ukraine needs to throw in all it got before that, is it enough to take Kherson? i have no idea (i didn't even think UA could take all that land by Kharkiv), do you consider it or Bakhmut a decisive battle? does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? (Or it's just inconceivable for you?) Here's what i'm looking at
Elections in US Watch as support for funding Ukraine erodes among Republicans
GBP, EUR, JPY, RUB, USD rates.
Indicators of Belarus joining the conflict opening new front
New committed aid to Ukraine UA believes that it's fighting for EU, will EU provide electricity to Ukraine?
Will new UK prime minister hold out longer than a head of lettuce?

[TwitchySeal]

When Russia was failing to take Kiev back in March, Ukraine was listening to soldiers phone calls.  Pretty clever decision to hand over the recordings to the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

[paxmao]

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Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!



I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
...
 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:

20 hr 19 min ago
Ukraine's military intelligence says Russia is reinforcing Kherson with recruits as "cannon fodder"
From CNN's Nic Robertson in Kyiv
Ukraine’s military intelligence says Russia continues to remove its “occupation administration” from the southern Kherson region but is reinforcing the city with recently mobilized recruits and suggests they are being used as “cannon fodder.”

Ah such a concise and clear explanation, so general wants to take the damn under artillery fire because it's a key for Crimea and that's why it'll accelerate Russian withdrawal? Clear as mud, but who cares just need to arrange words in a somewhat readable sentence, targeted audience can't think for themselves anyway.

"I don't see them [the Russians] running away from Kherson. This is an information attack, I can't disclose everything. This is an attack so that we go there, so that we transfer our troops there from other dangerous directions. It was their [Russian] information operation. They [the Russians] are not ready to leave Kherson. But they know that if we succeed, they won't be able to leave. The Russians are aware of this problem and danger," Zelensky said.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3602356-russians-not-fleeing-from-kherson-besttrained-soldiers-remain-in-place-zelensky.html

Ukraine Situation Report: Intel Chief Says Russia Is Reinforcing Kherson City

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-intel-chief-says-russia-is-reinforcing-kherson-city/ar-AA13kUop

Blowing the Soviet-era dam, which is controlled by Russia, would unleash a wall of devastating floodwater across much of the Kherson region which Russia last month proclaimed as annexed in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-about-be-blown-2022-10-21/

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

Ask any friend you have in the military why they want to have a dam they intend to eventually control firstly "in artillery range". Hint 1: When you are not in the enemy's artillery range, the enemy cannot shell your position to dust. Hint 2: if you are under shelling, it is usually a bad idea to stay there. Read carefully: Not the dam, the military positions around the dam. I hope this is correctly understood.

I just said why, but it aaaaalll right... I can say it again: Nearly all the water supply to Crimea comes from the canal on the east bank near the dam. The general is sending a clear message to the world: "The RF is about to loose a critical asset to hold the grip on Crimea".

I rarely say anything categorically, but on this case, it is very clear that it would ridiculously stupid for Ukraine to blow that dam. The sad thing is that, if it ever happens nobody would claim ownership of the f**kup.

[suchmoon]

The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?!

Absurdity of which claims? You're the one throwing a bunch of random stuff out here, mostly Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded or rhetorical questions. Granted that's quite absurd so mission accomplished I guess.

What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists.

Well, that's an easy one to avoid. Don't blow up the dam.

I'm just glad that Russians are at least evacuating civilians! Ukraine's window of opportunity is shrinking, winter is coming it'll take away mobility and cover which Ukraine managed to greatly use to its advantage. Ukraine needs to throw in all it got before that, is it enough to take Kherson?

I'm sure your strategic advice is very valuable to the Ukrainian armed forces but they'll probably ignore it and continue doing what they've been successfully doing for the last few months. Here's an illustration in case you forgot.


(maps from https://liveuamap.com)

i have no idea (i didn't even think UA could take all that land by Kharkiv), do you consider it or Bakhmut a decisive battle?

Bakhmut is a decisive battle for Prigozhin. He desperately needs to show a "victory" to boost his image and get more financing for his criminal army.

does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing?

If it starts losing that would be a major indicator that it might be losing. So far I'd say that all this desperate BS about dirty bombs, and the new cannon fodder returning home boxed-up within a couple of weeks after being mobilized, and the fairy tales about taking Kyiv again - everything points to Russia nowhere near being able to reverse the momentum.

[BADecker]

When Russia was failing to take Kiev back in March, Ukraine was listening to soldiers phone calls.  Pretty clever decision to hand over the recordings to the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

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All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

[paxmao]

At the risk of making this a serious thread instead of the clown circus that BA likes, I wonder how would an strategy to take Zapo nuclear plant would look like. It would require an encirclement of quite a length and laser precision in all an any action to avoid and invitation to a rad-party with a +20. It also would need to include a quite difficult river crossing.

I wonder if some independent-thinking psycho could even decide to win the war by himself - one does not get to own a red button every day you know.

[TwitchySeal]

When Russia was failing to take Kiev back in March, Ukraine was listening to soldiers phone calls.  Pretty clever decision to hand over the recordings to the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

https://i.gyazo.com/909bb47a5f9bdcbaeac166b9561ff18d.png

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All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

[Branko]

More volunteers coming to defend Ukraine:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010803000391/Repr-Dzens-f-Al-Qaeda-Linked-Terrriss-Redeplyed-Ukraine-frm-Syria

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

[DaRude]

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Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!



I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
...
 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:

20 hr 19 min ago
Ukraine's military intelligence says Russia is reinforcing Kherson with recruits as "cannon fodder"
From CNN's Nic Robertson in Kyiv
Ukraine’s military intelligence says Russia continues to remove its “occupation administration” from the southern Kherson region but is reinforcing the city with recently mobilized recruits and suggests they are being used as “cannon fodder.”

Ah such a concise and clear explanation, so general wants to take the damn under artillery fire because it's a key for Crimea and that's why it'll accelerate Russian withdrawal? Clear as mud, but who cares just need to arrange words in a somewhat readable sentence, targeted audience can't think for themselves anyway.

"I don't see them [the Russians] running away from Kherson. This is an information attack, I can't disclose everything. This is an attack so that we go there, so that we transfer our troops there from other dangerous directions. It was their [Russian] information operation. They [the Russians] are not ready to leave Kherson. But they know that if we succeed, they won't be able to leave. The Russians are aware of this problem and danger," Zelensky said.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3602356-russians-not-fleeing-from-kherson-besttrained-soldiers-remain-in-place-zelensky.html

Ukraine Situation Report: Intel Chief Says Russia Is Reinforcing Kherson City

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-intel-chief-says-russia-is-reinforcing-kherson-city/ar-AA13kUop

Blowing the Soviet-era dam, which is controlled by Russia, would unleash a wall of devastating floodwater across much of the Kherson region which Russia last month proclaimed as annexed in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-about-be-blown-2022-10-21/

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

Ask any friend you have in the military why they want to have a dam they intend to eventually control firstly "in artillery range". Hint 1: When you are not in the enemy's artillery range, the enemy cannot shell your position to dust. Hint 2: if you are under shelling, it is usually a bad idea to stay there. Read carefully: Not the dam, the military positions around the dam. I hope this is correctly understood.

I just said why, but it aaaaalll right... I can say it again: Nearly all the water supply to Crimea comes from the canal on the east bank near the dam. The general is sending a clear message to the world: "The RF is about to loose a critical asset to hold the grip on Crimea".

I rarely say anything categorically, but on this case, it is very clear that it would ridiculously stupid for Ukraine to blow that dam. The sad thing is that, if it ever happens nobody would claim ownership of the f**kup.

Ahhh well now you cleared it up, so when general says when he "takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”  what he's actually talking about is the military positions that just happened to be around the dam, and the dam being in the vicinity of this is just a silly coincidence. Now this is a story i can believe! Why would Ukraine blow up the damn that brings fresh water to Crimea that would be nonsense right?  

The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?!

Absurdity of which claims? You're the one throwing a bunch of random stuff out here, mostly Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded or rhetorical questions. Granted that's quite absurd so mission accomplished I guess.

What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists.

Well, that's an easy one to avoid. Don't blow up the dam.
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does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? (Or it's just inconceivable for you?)

If it starts losing that would be a major indicator that it might be losing....

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

[BADecker]

When Russia was failing to take Kiev back in March, Ukraine was listening to soldiers phone calls.  Pretty clever decision to hand over the recordings to the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

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All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

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If Putin simply Bide(n)s his time, with winter coming and all, Ukraine will fall. The US can't take it, because it will mean the crash of the US money system. So...


In Stunning Strategy Reversal, Pentagon Will No Longer Rule Out Use Of Nuclear Weapons

Well, we're finally there: stocks are officially trading off nuclear war headlines.

Moments ago, as part of his closely-watched speech, Vladimir Putin appeared to talk down the likelihood of a nuclear attack in Ukraine:

*PUTIN: NO POLITICAL, MILITARY REASON IN NUKE STRIKE IN UKRAINE

Which, however, is more than can be said about the US.

As Bloomberg just reported, the Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy rejects limits on using nuclear weapons long championed by arms control advocates (and, in the not too distant past, by Joe Bide) citing burgeoning threats from Russia and China.

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[TwitchySeal]

More volunteers coming to defend Ukraine:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010803000391/Repr-Dzens-f-Al-Qaeda-Linked-Terrriss-Redeplyed-Ukraine-frm-Syria

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

How does Western media make you think there's a fascist inclination?  

You don't really know what fascism means, do you?  Just a word you hear being used to describe bad things.

[BADecker]

More volunteers coming to defend Ukraine:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010803000391/Repr-Dzens-f-Al-Qaeda-Linked-Terrriss-Redeplyed-Ukraine-frm-Syria

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

How does Western media make you think there's a fascist inclination?  

You don't really know what fascism means, do you?  Just a word you hear being used to describe bad things.

When you listen to long gone President Eisenhower in his last speeches as President, he warnd about the military-industrial complex fascism. It was happening then, decades ago, so why would anybody think that it isn't in the media, now?



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Putin: The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is the United States of America

[suchmoon]

At the risk of making this a serious thread instead of the clown circus that BA likes, I wonder how would an strategy to take Zapo nuclear plant would look like. It would require an encirclement of quite a length and laser precision in all an any action to avoid and invitation to a rad-party with a +20. It also would need to include a quite difficult river crossing.

I wonder if some independent-thinking psycho could even decide to win the war by himself - one does not get to own a red button every day you know.

Putinist TG channels (used to bubble up to the MOD reports as well) often repeat fairy tales about dozens of Ukrainian boats attempting to cross the massive Dnipro reservoir the nuclear plant is next to. Of course the glorious Russian forces repeatedly destroy all those boats but the Ukrainians keep trying. There was also the infamous video of Russians firing at a bridge pylon and claiming it was... yep, a boat. So they seem to have a serious obsession about it.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

The only place I've heard of the Ghost of Kiev was this thread, and I think it was you who posted about it. So I think your understanding of "Western media" and how people use it is severely skewed.

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Compelling arguments but I still think that blowing up the dam is a bad idea.

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

Losing is unlikely with the way things stand now. "(In)conceivable" tends to be a weasel word in this context but I can understand why you would use it.

[DaRude]

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You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

The only place I've heard of the Ghost of Kiev was this thread, and I think it was you who posted about it. So I think your understanding of "Western media" and how people use it is severely skewed.

Haha playing dumb yet again? Perhaps you should read up on the news first before commenting, i cannot find a mass media outlet that did NOT cover the Ghost of Kyiv. Playing selective ignorance doesn't suit you well at all. You refusal to admit to even knowing a known fakes are quiet telling, guess you don't remember the other "hero" either, the guy who surrendered and received the hero of Ukraine award "posthumously" while in captivity 

"Ghost of Kyiv": the MiG-29 pilot won 6 aerial victories over the occupier in 30 hours

https://www.5.ua/ukrayina/pryvyd-kyieva-pilot-mih-29-za-30-hodyn-zdobuv-6-povitrianykh-peremoh-nad-okupantom-269346.html

One Ukrainian pilot shot down six Russian planes

https://ua.korrespondent.net/ukraine/4451566-odyn-ukrainskyi-lotchyk-zbyv-shist-rosiiskykh-litakiv

Ghost of Kyiv: how many enemy planes has already been shot down by the Ukrainian hero

https://24tv.ua/privid-kiyeva-skilki-zbiv-litakiv-rosiyi-statistika_n1889483

Ukraine posts photo of so-called ‘Ghost of Kyiv’ with death threat for Russian troops

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ghost-of-kyiv-ukraine-russia-photo-b2034475.html

Does anyone know this Poroshenko guy? think he was a previous UA president or something?

The photo shows a MiG-29 pilot. The same "Ghost of Kyiv".
He causes terror in enemies and pride in Ukrainians 🇺🇦
He has 6 victories over Russian pilots!
With such powerful defenders, Ukraine will definitely win!

https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/1497293195763408905

Who is the ‘Ghost of Kyiv’? Story of Ukrainian ace pilot goes viral
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According to one widely circulated post, the Ghost of Kyiv supposedly shot down four Russian fighter jets — two Su-35 Flankers, one Su-27 Flanker and one MiG-29 Fulcrum — as well as two ground-attack aircraft, so-called Su-25 Frogfoots.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/25/who-is-the-ghost-of-kyiv-story-of-ukrainian-ace-pilot-goes-viral/

Meet Ukraine’s Ghost of Kyiv who is ‘coming for Russia’s soul’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meet-the-ghost-of-kyiv-coming-for-russias-soul-0s9gn9t89

The Ghost of Kyiv, Ukraine's urban legend of a hero ace pilot
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Twitter is going wild with the alleged appearance of an unlikely Ukrainian jet pilot who has already downed a confirmed 6 Russian enemy aircrafts.

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2022/02/25/621851ddca4741a0458b4652.html

Who is the 'Ghost of Kyiv'? Tale of Ukrainian fighter pilot trends on social media
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KYIV, Ukraine - Social media is buzzing about unconfirmed claims that a single fighter pilot — dubbed the "Ghost of Kyiv" — took down six Russian jets.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ghost-of-kyiv-tale-of-ukrainian-fighter-pilot-trends-social-media

How Ukraine's 'Ghost of Kyiv' legendary pilot was born

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61285833

Let's see what official Air Force Command of UA Armed Forces says about this

❗️ Hero of Ukraine Stepan Tarabalka is NOT the "Ghost of Kyiv" and he did NOT shoot down 40 planes.

On March 13, 2022, Major Stepan Tarabalka died heroically in an aerial battle with the superior forces of the Russian invaders. Here is information about him on our official page: https://www.facebook.com/kpszsu/posts/339462291555059.

The ghost of Kyiv is a superhero-legend, whose figure was created by Ukrainians! It is rather a collective image of the pilots of the 40th brigade of tactical aviation of the Air Force, who protect the sky of the capital. Which suddenly appear where they are not expected!

https://www.facebook.com/kpszsu/posts/363834939117794

The ‘Ghost of Kyiv’ Is a Myth, Ukraine Acknowledges

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/world/europe/ghost-kyiv-ukraine-myth.html

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Compelling arguments but I still think that blowing up the dam is a bad idea.

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

Losing is unlikely with the way things stand now. "(In)conceivable" tends to be a weasel word in this context but I can understand why you would use it.

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me