Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.

RE, blowing of the dam, the news I have (and I do not give much credit either) is that the RF has been considering blowing it up, as it would create a barrier to the Ukrainian current advance in the form of a wasteland of mud. If that happens, it would be when Ukrainian troops get closer and would be fake-informed as an Ukrainian doing.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

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Putin: The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is the United States of America

Technically, Polonium-210 is a radioactive substance, and Adolf Putin used it in the UK in 2006, when killing Litvinenko.

A prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state".[5]

In November 1998, Litvinenko and several other FSB officers publicly accused their superiors of ordering the assassination of the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Litvinenko was arrested the following March on charges of exceeding the authority of his position. He was acquitted in November 1999 but re-arrested before the charges were again dismissed in 2000. He fled with his family to London and was granted asylum in the United Kingdom...

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On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning by polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November
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A public inquiry began on 27 January 2015,[10] and concluded in January 2016 that Litvinenko's murder was carried out by the two suspects and that they were "probably" acting under the direction of the FSB and with the approval of president Vladimir Putin and then FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

Sadly, the death of  Litvinenko confirms his own assertion of Putin's RF being a Mafia State.

Not that the British  do not like a good mass-murder to make sure "the lesson is not forgotten" (they used to learnt it that way at school at school too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.[a]

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Critics of the bombing have asserted that Dresden was a cultural landmark with little strategic significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and were not proportionate to the military gains.
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To note, some less reliable sources set the toll at 200,000 killed. I wonder if they though "What is the need for a nuke, when you have phosphor?"

EDIT: I wonder if we should consider the radiation cloud from Chernobyl that was enjoyed by the children on northern and central Europe could be considered as a nuclear attack from the USSR to Europe. They certainly did not tell anyone what was happening - it was Sweden that detected it.

The initial evidence that a release of radioactive material had occurred came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on 28 April[17] (two days after the disaster itself) workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1100 km from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothing.
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Belarus received about 60%
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[BADecker]

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

[paxmao]

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

Anyway, the bottom line is correct, only the US, to date, has used a nuclear bomb attack intentionally on another country under the pretext of "ending the war sooner". Many historians have concluded that the attacks at H & N were not really necessary and were not that conclusive to and end of the war.

I guess another of Putin's achievements has been to allow the US to test, in a similar fashion, their latest killing inventions on the slave army.

[suchmoon]

Haha playing dumb yet again? Perhaps you should read up on the news first before commenting, i cannot find a mass media outlet that did NOT cover the Ghost of Kyiv. Playing selective ignorance doesn't suit you well at all. You refusal to admit to even knowing a known fakes are quiet telling, guess you don't remember the other "hero" either, the guy who surrendered and received the hero of Ukraine award "posthumously" while in captivity  

I didn't claim that the ghost story didn't exist. I just didn't see it until it was posted in this thread. Somehow Branko saw it and you obviously care so much that you googled a bunch of headlines. I think that's quite telling in regards how we use media, "western" or otherwise.

It's also quite telling that the story was debunked by the Ukrainian government many moons ago and "western media" reported the debunking as your quotes indicate, but it continues being brought up as if the "fake" still exists and that the "western media" is lying. I'd take a news source that makes corrections over one that never does.

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me

"what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? [sic]" is a loaded question. I should know better than trying to answer such questions but still, saying that I don't see such "major indicators" or that losing is unlikely - valid answers no matter how much you dislike them.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

Putin bombing the shit out of electric supply infrastructure all over Ukraine and also blaming Ukraine for allegedly planning to blow up their own hydro and nuclear plants, typical Russian propaganda projection. "See Ukrainians have these bad terrorist thoughts but we are the good guys totally non-genocidally-terroristically liberating Ukrainians from heat and electricity during the cold season". There are probably some strategists in Kremlin thinking that this will make Ukrainians line the streets waving Russian flags and welcoming the liberators, exactly like they did in Kyiv back in February.

[BADecker]

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

[Branko]

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...

[TwitchySeal]

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...

Since you think it's the "same thing"...

Do you think what USA has done is not terrorism or genocide?

Or do you think Russia is committing terrorism and genocide?

[tvbcof]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

[Branko]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

As I already said, they publicly feel sorry for Ukrainians and condemn Russians, but when noone looks, they cheer dead Ukrainians the same as they cheer dead Russians
This war is pure profit for them

[BADecker]

Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...

Well, of course. Now that the word "terrorism" has been popularized, everybody can use it, right? What counts is how stupid people are, when they listen to the loudest media.

[DaRude]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.

RE, blowing of the dam, the news I have (and I do not give much credit either) is that the RF has been considering blowing it up, as it would create a barrier to the Ukrainian current advance in the form of a wasteland of mud. If that happens, it would be when Ukrainian troops get closer and would be fake-informed as an Ukrainian doing.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

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Putin: The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is the United States of America

Technically, Polonium-210 is a radioactive substance, and Adolf Putin used it in the UK in 2006, when killing Litvinenko.

A prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state".[5]

In November 1998, Litvinenko and several other FSB officers publicly accused their superiors of ordering the assassination of the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Litvinenko was arrested the following March on charges of exceeding the authority of his position. He was acquitted in November 1999 but re-arrested before the charges were again dismissed in 2000. He fled with his family to London and was granted asylum in the United Kingdom...

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On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning by polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November
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A public inquiry began on 27 January 2015,[10] and concluded in January 2016 that Litvinenko's murder was carried out by the two suspects and that they were "probably" acting under the direction of the FSB and with the approval of president Vladimir Putin and then FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

Sadly, the death of  Litvinenko confirms his own assertion of Putin's RF being a Mafia State.

Not that the British  do not like a good mass-murder to make sure "the lesson is not forgotten" (they used to learnt it that way at school at school too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.[a]

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Critics of the bombing have asserted that Dresden was a cultural landmark with little strategic significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and were not proportionate to the military gains.
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To note, some less reliable sources set the toll at 200,000 killed. I wonder if they though "What is the need for a nuke, when you have phosphor?"

EDIT: I wonder if we should consider the radiation cloud from Chernobyl that was enjoyed by the children on northern and central Europe could be considered as a nuclear attack from the USSR to Europe. They certainly did not tell anyone what was happening - it was Sweden that detected it.

The initial evidence that a release of radioactive material had occurred came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on 28 April[17] (two days after the disaster itself) workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1100 km from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothing.
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Belarus received about 60%
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Voulez vous vôtre baguette avec un petit peu d´Uranium?

Problem with that line of thinking is that any propaganda can be justified as "hope". How you'll be judged depends on the outcome of the conflict, if your side wins you're praised for lifting the moral and for encouraging fighters towards a quicker victory, if your side loses then you were spreading propaganda were enabler and responsible for more senseless deaths of the naive that actually believed you. Of course propagandists always retort that with "at least it saved the earth/galaxy/universe which would otherwise surely be destroyed next", which of course is unverifiable and just a slippery slope argument.

If radioactive substance == nuclear weapons then

Karen Gay Silkwood (February 19, 1946 – November 13, 1974) was an American chemical technician and labor union activist known for raising concerns about corporate practices related to health and safety in a nuclear facility.
She worked at the Kerr-McGee Cimarron Fuel Fabrication Site in Oklahoma, making plutonium pellets, and became the first woman on the union's negotiating team. After testifying to the Atomic Energy Commission about her concerns, she was found to have plutonium contamination on her person and in her home. While driving to meet with a New York Times journalist and an official of her union's national office, she died in a car crash under unclear circumstances....her body contained almost 400 times the legal limit for plutonium contamination...she was found to be dangerously contaminated, even expelling contaminated air from her lungs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood

For firebombing which literally start firestorms look into Operation Meetinghouse. If US/Japan relationship can recover from that to what it is now then...

More than 90,000 and possibly over 100,000 Japanese people were killed, mostly civilians, and one million were left homeless, making it the most destructive single air attack in human history...Some American airmen also needed to use oxygen masks when the odor of burning flesh entered their aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945)

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me

"what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? [sic]" is a loaded question. I should know better than trying to answer such questions but still, saying that I don't see such "major indicators" or that losing is unlikely - valid answers no matter how much you dislike them.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

Putin bombing the shit out of electric supply infrastructure all over Ukraine and also blaming Ukraine for allegedly planning to blow up their own hydro and nuclear plants, typical Russian propaganda projection. "See Ukrainians have these bad terrorist thoughts but we are the good guys totally non-genocidally-terroristically liberating Ukrainians from heat and electricity during the cold season". There are probably some strategists in Kremlin thinking that this will make Ukrainians line the streets waving Russian flags and welcoming the liberators, exactly like they did in Kyiv back in February.

I like how you conveniently leave out that "their own" hydro and nuclear plants, are actually fully controlled and claimed by Russia to now be totally Russian and don't provide any electricity to Ukraine anymore. But your target audience don't really need to know these inconvenient facts at all right? Why even attempt to be objective when you can just keep on pushing your agenda.

See it's only a loaded question for people spreading propaganda, as by definition they can't even discuss negative outcomes or the precursors to them, where objective people can discuss anything. I for one can and did easily state that if Ukraine in total is still taking land in January, Russia might be loosing, or if Ukraine gets tanks and trillions in new commitment to counter RU mobilization (instead of just warm scarfs, gloves and more ammo) it's another indicator of escalation to which RU's only options are either a tactical nuclear response or a total collapse. See how easy it is when you're not just spreading propaganda?

[suchmoon]

I like how you conveniently leave out that "their own" hydro and nuclear plants, are actually fully controlled and claimed by Russia to now be totally Russian and don't provide any electricity to Ukraine anymore. But your target audience don't really need to know these inconvenient facts at all right? Why even attempt to be objective when you can just keep on pushing your agenda.

These are Ukrainian power plants, so yes, "their own". However it still stinks of projection if you call them "russian". Russians are bombing Ukrainian electric supply infrastructure and are accusing Ukrainians of thinking about doing the same.

See it's only a loaded question for people spreading propaganda, as by definition they can't even discuss negative outcomes or the precursors to them, where objective people can discuss anything. I for one can and did easily state that if Ukraine in total is still taking land in January, Russia might be loosing, or if Ukraine gets tanks and trillions in new commitment to counter RU mobilization (instead of just warm scarfs, gloves and more ammo) it's another indicator of escalation to which RU's only options are either a tactical nuclear response or a total collapse. See how easy it is when you're not just spreading propaganda?

Brush up on English grammar, comrade. Your question was asked and answered in present tense. If you want to engage in conjecture, I'm more that happy to let you talk about May 9 parades and other stuff that we can laugh about a few months later.

Talking about tactical nukes and accusing me of propaganda LOL

[BADecker]

The US has been provoking Russia to start a nuclear war for years. But they have stepped up their prodding since Russia started its police action in Ukraine.

Putin is simply too smart to be provoked. So, the response from the US is that they, the US, will finally have to start it if Russia won't.

Btw, "It turns out that Trump was a peace-loving president, and it is Biden and his cronies that are desperate to hit the nuke button."


Pentagon lusts after nuclear war, says it will “nuke Russia” if Putin doesn’t pull out of Ukraine

Russia’s “special operation”-turned-“demilitarization” effort in Ukraine is so upsetting to the deep state power structure oppressing the West that the Pentagon is now threatening nuclear war if Vladimir Putin does not immediately withdraw all Russian troops from Ukraine.

The Pentagon’s new “National Defense Strategy” has rejected all limits on using nuclear weapons in the event that Putin refuses to obey its orders to leave Ukraine’s biological weapons laboratories, money laundering operations, and whatever other deep state operations are taking place there alone.

“By the 2030s, the United States will, for the first time in its history, face two major nuclear powers as strategic competitors and potential adversaries,” announced the Department of Defense (DoD) in a long-awaited document – that second power, of course, referring to communist China.

The U.S. response to this, that document goes on to explain, will be to “maintain a very high bar for nuclear employment.” This could include deploying a nuclear response to a non-nuclear strategic threat either to the “homeland” or to U.S. military forces and their allies abroad.
Biden once again caught in LIES after having promised to only use nukes in response to an actual nuclear attack

These statements by the DOD fly in the face of what fake “president” Joe Biden said back in 2020 during his presidential campaign, promising to only use nuclear weapons in response to an enemy’s use of nuclear weapons.
Brighteon.TV

Since Putin has yet to take the bait, Western deep state powers are getting antsy for the nuclear holocaust they seem to crave. This is why they are now threatening to use nukes even if no other country uses them first in violation of the U.S. “no first use” policy.

All of this is amazing to see unfold, especially since it was the Democrats claiming that Donald Trump was going to lead us all into World War III. It turns out that Trump was a peace-loving president, and it is Biden and his cronies that are desperate to hit the nuke button.

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[paxmao]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

I am actually surprised that you find that wrong, after the fakes and false claims you are making in the forum LOL. You are such a cynic.

For example, one of your favourites here: it is much better to submit to Adolf Putin and wait for the order from Moscow to create a Holodomor, a new Chernobyl or to recruiting your young men by force to send them to his next war of aggression - "because if not it will be bad for them", do not tell people to resist because they get killed... Yes, you care so much for Ukrainians, so humanitarian... but at the same time Adolf Putin is doing what he must killing them, there is nothing wrong with that. Yeah... such a cynic.

I am not even sure if you are a cynic or you have been for so long under Adolf Putin's thumb that you have abandoned any hope of being free ever - that you have lost the ability to understand anything else but force and that you have become forever a willingly slave of the Kleptocrats. Get your pay.

BTW, if you change your trolling career, do not go into nationality guessing. Nor anything else for that matter petty farm-troll with a reduced area of something resembling a human brain.

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The Pentagon’s new “National Defense Strategy” has rejected all limits on using nuclear weapons in the event that Putin refuses to obey its orders to leave Ukraine’s biological weapons laboratories, money laundering operations, and whatever other deep state operations are taking place there alone.

BA, may I see the Pentagon document, publication, declaration or any other form of communication in which anyone of the right rank has expressed that there will be not restrictions on the use of the NA in case Putin does not pull out? I mean, unless this is as fake as everything else you write.

Also, same for any official source from the Pentagon speaking about bio-labs in Ukraine? Unless, fake-as-usual.

[TwitchySeal]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them. 

[BADecker]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them. 

If the American people ever saw through the US media regarding Ukraine and what the US government was doing over there, Americans would take out Biden, Pelosi and a whole bunch of war mongering Dems and companies.

[suchmoon]

A couple more telenovelas from the writers of amazing stories AKA Russian government:

• Russia is claiming that Ukraine is developing drone-delivered mosquito-borne biological weapons.
• Ukraine attacked Russian warships in Sevastopol. Russia is complaining to the UN about it. Must have forgotten that they're in a special-totally-not-war-operation.

[tvbcof]

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them.

Count on it.  I've no doubt that as a national strategy the Russians do exactly this, targeting their own domestic populations, but I simply don't have much visibility into that dark corner.    I doubt that it is currently as pervasive now in Russia as it was under the Soviet Union or current day West (albeit often in reverse to facilitate 'demoralization' among the citizenry.)  Seems like the Russian people are maintaining a degree of intellect (and decency) while somehow it seems to be falling off the cliff in other formerly progressive areas like the 'collective West'.  Maybe the massive number of childhood injections are having something to do with that.  Who knows?  In any event, different methods of propaganda work better among different types of people.

What the Russians seem to be doing internationally is to be pretty careful to be factual without a lot opportunity for casual researchers to disprove their statements as flat out lies or ridiculous weasel words.  They seem to be smart enough to understand that the fallout from a bullshit lie is orders of magnitude more damaging than the benefit of some 'Ghost-of-Kiev' story which is believed by 50% of domestic mouth-breathers and assorted global redditards for a few days.  They can say something and it is more safe for an observer like me to take it as likely factual simply because of their recent history.

Ukraine, on the other hand, seems to be a nation of Baghdad Bobs.  And oddly proud of it!  I suspect that it is a result of being under operational control of those who are philosophically more influenced by Kabbalah.  Namely the Ziocons from the U.S. State Department which really took control after the coup of 2014.  Kabbalah teaches a concept of 'truth' which is 180 degrees different than most Christian and/or post-enlightenment interpretations.  Even Atheists like me who grew up in 'Christian nations' tend to have adopted the definition of 'truth' as being synonymous with 'factually accurate' and it takes a lot of time and study to realize that not everyone defines 'truth' in the same way.

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RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them.

Count on it.  I've no doubt that as a national strategy the Russians do exactly this, targeting their own domestic populations, but I simply don't have much visibility into that dark corner.

You literally parrot back the propaganda on a regular basis in this thread.  You're doing it right now.

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Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them.

Count on it.  I've no doubt that as a national strategy the Russians do exactly this, targeting their own domestic populations, but I simply don't have much visibility into that dark corner.

You literally parrot back the propaganda on a regular basis in this thread.  You're doing it right now.

Sure.  Most stuff is 'propaganda', but that doesn't mean it isn't factual.  Most reasonably competant propaganda has it's basis in factual information (as do most good troll posts).  The propagandist's trick is just how to spin it, what to leave out, etc.

I'll re-frame/relay factual stuff until the cows come home with no qualms and do so no matter what side it comes from.  That there is very little reliable fodder coming from the Ukroid/West side, that isn't my fault.

The primitive class of propaganda, which works on low-functioning people like you Ukroid/woke-redditard folks here, is the type where information is simply pulled straight out of the propagandist's ass with no basis in actual physical reality whatsoever.  Ghost-of-Kiev, Bucha, Mariupol mass-graves, Russians eating dogs which have been eating dead Russian soldiers, etc.  Again, the problem with that (even if one has no ethics) is that it works only partially against mainly useless NPCs and casts doubt on ALL information produced from the day one is proven to be a liar forward.  The recovery process takes years and a revolution or two which is why I don't hold 2020's Russians accountable for Soviet era reporting 'errors'.