Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

Crazy how accurate he was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcwGSFPqIo

Nope, he did get something wrong. The price of having RF near Europe is unacceptable. If the RF destroys Ukraine, it will be rebuilt better.



The Ukrainian army has shown bravery, commitment and cohesion beyond what many would have thought possible. I cannot think of a better ally nor any other army that can answer more properly "I am the storm" to the devil's ear.

Note to those who have the mental capacity to understand:  'unreliable' != 'always wrong'.  Sorry if that causes you a discomfort by way of cognitive dissonance.
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I find it funny that some people apparently identify as a russian troll so deeply that they seem to get offended when i only criticize russian trolls.

And while doing this they try to took apart meme that i made just to try to point out that i didn't understand the point.

And if someone doesn't (have the mental capacity to) understand: Those aren't real quotes either. I made them up and could have written literally any made up quote and it seems that they would defend it as a wise thing to say that i just don't get.
 
I know this must be hard to process for someone who only blindly trust to that group of people who don't trust anyone either.

... while arguing that the dude actually is a "superior mind that has understanding beyond anything you can fathom"...

As a side note this has been an interesting and funny to watch when it comes to conspirary theorists and russian trolls squirming. How they could use links from mainstream media as an actual solid proof but because mainstream media now sided with russia on this the won't fit their "Liberal media always lies" agenda, they must be losing their minds and think this is some sort of double bluff instead of media reporting the truth.
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That very good point. Russians is very selective. When Western media says something against Russia, it's lies, fakes and etc. But when news fits their agenda, even partially, they quote it as reliable source, often taking things out of context.

The Putin Fan boys that think Poland is going to invade Ukraine are really going to eat this up.

I saw some Russian vatniks saying that NATO now should activate 5th article against Ukraine because they attacked NATO country.
About Poland invading Ukraine, it fits their agenda that they use since beginning of war that Poland and Hungary have intentions to share Weatern part of Ukraine.

Of course, Poland is being the main corridor for supplies, weapons, training and has donated weapons of their own ex Soviet arsenal because they plan to invade Ukraine. Sounds like a tactic that could be copied and would fit perfectly in the current RF masterplan: Arm Ukraine before invading it. Shoigu are you there reading? Use this tactic pleeease.

https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/15/poland-has-given-ukraine-military-aid-worth-at-least-1-7bn-expects-allies-to-help-fill-the-gaps/

Poland has provided arms and other military equipment to Ukraine worth at least $1.7 billion, says President Andrzej Duda, who repeated his call for the country’s allies to help it make up the shortfall.

Also, yes sure, Poland wants to share a border with the RF. What could go wrong?

But that is something you and I do not get, because we are not in the path of the light like o48o and friends.

 Articles 4 and 5 are not automatic. These enlightened creatures think that NATO is like a robot, you press the button and it jumps.

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[darkangel11]

he also believed his own propaganda like you do, and said Ukraine will win in May 2022, because USA and UK are backing Ukraine 

It did win. I consider pushing one of the biggest armies in the world back to where they came from a win. The war hasn't ended, but according to the Russians there was no war in the first place, so there's nothing to end, or is there?

It always makes me laugh when I remind myself that Russian TV channels were all screaming that there's no war just a little military operation that's going to end soon and months later they say Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine but Ukraine refuses. Negotiate what? Take the remains of your special operation and GTFO to your side of the border!

Also, yes sure, Poland wants to share a border with the RF. What could go wrong?

As far as I know it does share a border with RF.

[suchmoon]

Also, yes sure, Poland wants to share a border with the RF. What could go wrong?

As far as I know it does share a border with RF.

[paxmao]

he also believed his own propaganda like you do, and said Ukraine will win in May 2022, because USA and UK are backing Ukraine  

It did win. I consider pushing one of the biggest armies in the world back to where they came from a win. The war hasn't ended, but according to the Russians there was no war in the first place, so there's nothing to end, or is there?

It always makes me laugh when I remind myself that Russian TV channels were all screaming that there's no war just a little military operation that's going to end soon and months later they say Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine but Ukraine refuses. Negotiate what? Take the remains of your special operation and GTFO to your side of the border!

Also, yes sure, Poland wants to share a border with the RF. What could go wrong?

As far as I know it does share a border with RF.

Please read carefully. It says (ironically) that surely they want to share it (I should have said "enhance it"?) - which is what would happen if the RF annexes Ukraine. That would be a nightmare scenario for Poland, NATO the EU and possibly the US. Not that Ukraine having a border with the RF is something to be liked, particularly if it joins the European Union.

Joseph Borrel, maximun EU diplomat, has recently said that the EU can no longer be a "herbivore" when all the rest are "carnivores". Maintaining an army is costly and also carries political risks of various types if it is  a large army. Western Europe is tired of wars and has reached (at least for now) the conclusion that it is much better to simply not go to war among them. Such costs are even larger if there is a substantially large border with the RF (and its aggressive junta) near the heart of the economically most significant regions of Europe -is going back to cold war.

I am not sure the level of knowledge here, but the wars in Europe have been devastating. A million wars waged in the middle ages, the Napoleonic wars, WW I, WW II, even more recently the Balcan wars... these have achieved nothing but death and economic loses and decline respect to US, China and the rest of the world. It would seen that Putin has read the wrong history books during COVID, as he seems to have forgotten the basic principles: Everytime that an European country has grown too strong, all the rest have allied to stop it. Th RF, in this context, is no different (except that is not even particularly strong, just manically aggressive under the current regime).

[Branko]

Yet, all that Ukraine had to do was adhering to Minsk 2 and all this would be avoided

[paxmao]

Yet, all that Ukraine had to do was adhering to Minsk 2 and all this would be avoided

Again, a treaty imposed under threat -  a whole country subject to the Moscow government and waiting for the next invasion of their sovereign territory. Your argument is "all you have to accept is that we will tell you what you can or cannot do, else we will destroy your country" which is not really acceptable, or from Ukraine perspective, it is perfectly acceptable to say, "we will do with our country what is best for our future and our people, not for yours".

In fact that is the essence of having an independent country - choosing your destiny within a range of options and the limitations. There are many cases in history of Metropolis - Colony relationships and it is clear that colonies usually get the shorted end of the stick.

Bottom line, it is legitimate for a free country to choose the relations they wish to establish. In my view, all Moscow had to do was nothing. That would have prevented the war.

[TwitchySeal]

Yet, all that Ukraine had to do was adhering to Minsk 2 and all this would be avoided

Yet, all that Russia had to do was adhere to the Minsk 2 agreement (which did not recognize LPR and DPR).  Or the Budapest Memorandum.  Or they could have just not invaded Ukraine.  And all this would be avoided.  

[suchmoon]

Gas pipeline explosion near St. Petersburg. Any bets as to whether the Americans, James Bond, or Ukrainian bio-engineered geese did it?

Or it could be Russia just being Russia and disintegrating due to its own rot and corruption.



Another gas explosion in Sakhalin, residential building, 9 people dead. The thing about this one is that the building - like 1/3 of Russia, the "super power" threatening other countries with oil and gas blackmail - does not have natural gas piped to it, so residents use propane tanks, which caused the explosion.



Makes one wonder if that whole "Europe is gonna freeze" thing might have been a bit of a projection.

[TwitchySeal]

You constantly talk in this thread about the future victories of Ukraine and how clumsily the Russian army is fighting. Apparently, you are very confident in the victory of Ukraine, then I offer you a bet with the following conditions:
- if Ukrainian troops manage to recapture any of these cities before January 1, 2023: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then I will leave this forum forever.
- if the Ukrainian troops until January 1, 2023 are NOT able to recapture any of these cities: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then you will leave this forum forever.
If you're not ready for this bet, then maybe you will stop your wishful talking?
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Congrats on your newly purchased account.

[paxmao]

Gas pipeline explosion near St. Petersburg. Any bets as to whether the Americans, James Bond, or Ukrainian bio-engineered geese did it?

Or it could be Russia just being Russia and disintegrating due to its own rot and corruption.



Another gas explosion in Sakhalin, residential building, 9 people dead. The thing about this one is that the building - like 1/3 of Russia, the "super power" threatening other countries with oil and gas blackmail - does not have natural gas piped to it, so residents use propane tanks, which caused the explosion.



Makes one wonder if that whole "Europe is gonna freeze" thing might have been a bit of a projection.

It seems that knives cut both ways. Even in the RF once would assume that they do at least take care of the infrastructure that is really critical to their economy. Explosions in buildings... well it happens... but a pipeline is a completely different animal. There are management and technical systems in place in any pipeline to prevent exactly what is shown in the picture and if that is not sabotage (which I would not be surprised if it is), proofs that there are clogs in the arteries - big clogs, in the coronary.

[tvbcof]

You constantly talk in this thread about the future victories of Ukraine and how clumsily the Russian army is fighting. Apparently, you are very confident in the victory of Ukraine, then I offer you a bet with the following conditions:
- if Ukrainian troops manage to recapture any of these cities before January 1, 2023: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then I will leave this forum forever.
- if the Ukrainian troops until January 1, 2023 are NOT able to recapture any of these cities: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then you will leave this forum forever.
If you're not ready for this bet, then maybe you will stop your wishful talking?
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If you think about it, Ukraine really hasn't captured anything in a real fight.  Yes, they re-occupied areas that the Russians didn't want any more or where just decoys strategically, and of course the Ukroids/Western sponsors made a big deal about it in their pathetic sort of low-grade propaganda way, but I cannot think of anything of significance that they flat out won in Bakmud-style hard combat.

Latest word is that Ukraine themselves are evacuating Kherson after figuring out the hard way which was pretty obvious to every thinking person; It's a loser at this point in time and will be as long as Russia can easily destroy anything which moves on the West Bank and will likely do so for quite some time.  And, of course, if anyone destroys the dam the whole place is wiped clean as though by the wrath of God.

One reason Ukraine might be abandoning Kherson City is that they might be going to have another go at the dam in order to fuck with the water supply to Crimea, but it would be very NaZiocon to keep the population in place at gunpoint just because it's the kind of thing they do.  The Russians certainly knew that which is why the resettled the decent elements of the population before pulling out.

Congrats on your newly purchased account.

I've got a few 10 year old sock-puppet accounts here.  Maybe I should put them up for sale to footer-spammer merit-surfing social media influencer retards (like you, suchshill, paxbozo, etc.)  What do you think would be a fair trade?  I'm not in the business, and you seem pretty up on such sneaky duplicity which is why I ask.  Bare (Bear?) in mind that I'm hardly a 'motivated seller'.

[cornhodlr]

How will this war ever end if Russia will never leave Crimea and Ukraine will never cede Crimea?If Ukraine attempts to retake Crimea will Russia openly declare war on Ukraine and carpet bomb it or simply try to defend it from within which has proved to be a futile tactic against an impressive Ukrainian offensive?Both sides seem to be well matched on the battlefield.Is there anyone here with any military experience who could give some input?

[paxmao]

You constantly talk in this thread about the future victories of Ukraine and how clumsily the Russian army is fighting. Apparently, you are very confident in the victory of Ukraine, then I offer you a bet with the following conditions:
- if Ukrainian troops manage to recapture any of these cities before January 1, 2023: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then I will leave this forum forever.
- if the Ukrainian troops until January 1, 2023 are NOT able to recapture any of these cities: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then you will leave this forum forever.
If you're not ready for this bet, then maybe you will stop your wishful talking?
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If you think about it, Ukraine really hasn't captured anything in a real fight.

False, they have fought and driven the RF army out of more than 3000 km2. That was not achieved by "talking the RF Psychos out of them".

 Yes, they re-occupied areas that the Russians didn't want...

RF young and unprepared RF soldiers died for those "decoys", "unwanted areas" and "smart tactics". Ask anyone if they think that RF would have not rather kept the main city of a territory they are (illegally) claiming as RF's. Your shit is becoming pathetic.

You specifically wanted to bet on Ukraine not being able to do so - curious how fast you change your blabber.

Latest word is that Ukraine themselves are evacuating Kherson after figuring out the hard way which was pretty obvious to every thinking person;

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Latest word where? In you Secondary School latrines? Give a GPS loc for that, I will pass it to the nearest HIMARS.

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 It's a loser at this point in time and will be as long as Russia can easily destroy anything which moves on the West Bank and will likely do so for quite some time.  And, of course, if anyone destroys the dam the whole place is wiped clean as though by the wrath of God.
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None of that is happening. Your imaginary's friend wrath isn't either.

One reason Ukraine might be abandoning Kherson City is that they might be going to have another go at the dam in order to fuck with the water supply to Crimea, but it would be very NaZiocon to keep the population in place at gunpoint just because it's the kind of thing they do.  The Russians certainly knew that which is why the resettled the decent elements of the population before pulling out.

None of that is happening, is just the effect of that pill the they sold you after Maths II class.

Congrats on your newly purchased account.

I've got a few 10 year old sock-puppet accounts here.  ...

Bear in mind that you may loose two at the time for double posting, including Legendary and Senior accounts. Me and many people need you here posting - you are greatly helping the Ukrainian cause by posting unbelievable shit.

How will this war ever end if Russia will never leave Crimea and Ukraine will never cede Crimea?If Ukraine attempts to retake Crimea will Russia openly declare war on Ukraine and carpet bomb it or simply try to defend it from within which has proved to be a futile tactic against an impressive Ukrainian offensive?Both sides seem to be well matched on the battlefield.Is there anyone here with any military experience who could give some input?

It is not a military issue. If the US wanted Ukraine to take Crimea it would already be done. The problem is political, you have to defend Ukraine without threatening Adolf Putin's regime survival. A decisive quick victory would de-stabilise the RF, like it did with Iraq - but RF's got nukes which makes it much more dangerous. Risks are being carefully measured.

[tvbcof]

One reason Ukraine might be abandoning Kherson City is that they might be going to have another go at the dam in order to fuck with the water supply to Crimea, but it would be very NaZiocon to keep the population in place at gunpoint just because it's the kind of thing they do.  The Russians certainly knew that which is why the resettled the decent elements of the population before pulling out.

None of that is happening, is just the effect of that pill the they sold you after Maths II class.

On that topic, it's interesting to note the evolution of the last phase of the Russian decoy operations (the pull-out).  It's pretty complicated given the op-sec considerations, PR considerations, etc:

Kiev area was a disaster and nobody is saying that one was worth bragging about.  They lost significant kit and persons killed not to mention the poor locals who didn't have a chance against the jackal-like 'friends and neighbors'.  It was so bad that there was widespread sackings and suspicions that the Russian intel people were in on it.

Kharkiv went pretty well, but they left to many good Ukroid people behind for the Ukrainian Secret Police Nazis to have their way with which was quite sad.  Some broken down junk was left.

Kherson Left Bank deserves a 10/10 from what I can see.  Civies were given re-settlement options anywhere they wanted to go, anything which was fit to tow was removed, and there were zero losses in the military ranks.  So they say.  Not only that but the abandoned area was well prepared as a killing field (a new Russian specialty) so much so that the Ukroids stuck their nose in, got it bopped, then got out fast.  It's more than possible that the Russian performance here was bolstered by a deal with the West to get a leash on coke-head Zenenskij.   Or maybe he was just on a powerball binge/crash and didn't notice until Ivan was safely across the river.

[BADecker]

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None of that is happening, is just the effect of that pill the they sold you after Maths II class.

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None of that is happening because it doesn't need to happen. When you look at the world situation, the US and its banking system, along with Nato, are all falling apart. It's a shame that they are falling apart because the people of many nations will be hurt in some ways.

If the US and their banking system had been built on righteousness rather than Ponzi corruption, this might not have happened. But since it is built on corruption, it will fall, as all corruption does.

And this doesn't mean the people, themselves. The people of America are in general attempting to do what is right. It's just that they can't see through the US leader lies, just like some Ukrainians have a difficult time seeing through Zelenski lies.

As it is, Putin and Russia are more righteous that the US and its lies.


Ukraine’s missile strike into Poland a “provocation” against government in Warsaw, warns Polish politician

A Polish politician believes the Ukrainian missile that struck his country was a “provocation” by Kyiv.

On Nov. 15, a missile struck southeastern Poland, near the border with Ukraine, killing two Polish citizens. Jaroslaw Pakula, chairman of the city council of Lublin in southeastern Poland, believes that the strike clearly came from Ukraine and was a provocation against the government in Warsaw. (Related: Associated Press makes major mistake – almost starts World War III with fake news report about missile that killed two people in Poland.)

“Of course, this is a Ukrainian rocket. Of course. This is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities,” Pakula wrote on his official Facebook page. “The rocket could not be fired 100 kilometers [62 miles] in the opposite direction by mistake.”

Pakula added that the purpose of attempting to provoke Warsaw was to scare Poland and the European Union and get more support for more military aid to be sent to Kyiv. Pakula believes that, instead of telling “fairy tales” about where the missile came from, Polish President Andrzej Duda should respond to the provocation by telling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that Warsaw “will no longer put up with this behavior.”

“I urge [Duda] to rethink Poland’s position [regarding] this war in the event that the red line is crossed again,” Pakula concluded.

Polish government, NATO believes missile was Ukrainian despite Kyiv’s denial

Zelensky immediately accused Russia of being responsible for the missile attack, claiming that Moscow is attacking Poland and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and trying to blame it on Kyiv.

Official government statements from Ukraine claim that the incident showed the need for NATO to “close the sky” over Ukraine, repeating the demand the country has had since February that NATO should enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine to prevent Russian military aircraft from defending Russian citizens and military positions in the area.

Unfortunately for Zelensky, both Poland and the entirety of NATO believe that the missile was launched by Ukraine.

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[TwitchySeal]

One reason Ukraine might be abandoning Kherson City is that they might be going to have another go at the dam in order to fuck with the water supply to Crimea, but it would be very NaZiocon to keep the population in place at gunpoint just because it's the kind of thing they do.  The Russians certainly knew that which is why the resettled the decent elements of the population before pulling out.

None of that is happening, is just the effect of that pill the they sold you after Maths II class.

On that topic, it's interesting to note the evolution of the last phase of the Russian decoy operations (the pull-out).  It's pretty complicated given the op-sec considerations, PR considerations, etc:

Kiev area was a disaster and nobody is saying that one was worth bragging about.  They lost significant kit and persons killed not to mention the poor locals who didn't have a chance against the jackal-like 'friends and neighbors'.  It was so bad that there was widespread sackings and suspicions that the Russian intel people were in on it.

Kharkiv went pretty well, but they left to many good Ukroid people behind for the Ukrainian Secret Police Nazis to have their way with which was quite sad.  Some broken down junk was left.

Kherson Left Bank deserves a 10/10 from what I can see.  Civies were given re-settlement options anywhere they wanted to go, anything which was fit to tow was removed, and there were zero losses in the military ranks.  So they say.  Not only that but the abandoned area was well prepared as a killing field (a new Russian specialty) so much so that the Ukroids stuck their nose in, got it bopped, then got out fast.  It's more than possible that the Russian performance here was bolstered by a deal with the West to get a leash on coke-head Zenenskij.   Or maybe he was just on a powerball binge/crash and didn't notice until Ivan was safely across the river.

Have you abandoned your whole "the war is fake, the whole thing is being orchestrated by the global elite and the outcome is pre determined" conspiracy theory?

[suchmoon]

How will this war ever end if Russia will never leave Crimea and Ukraine will never cede Crimea?If Ukraine attempts to retake Crimea will Russia openly declare war on Ukraine and carpet bomb it or simply try to defend it from within which has proved to be a futile tactic against an impressive Ukrainian offensive?Both sides seem to be well matched on the battlefield.Is there anyone here with any military experience who could give some input?

Russia was "never" going to leave Kherson either, until it did.

[BADecker]

On that topic, it's interesting to note the evolution of the last phase of the Russian decoy operations (the pull-out).  It's pretty complicated given the op-sec considerations, PR considerations, etc:

Kiev area was a disaster and nobody is saying that one was worth bragging about.  They lost significant kit and persons killed not to mention the poor locals who didn't have a chance against the jackal-like 'friends and neighbors'.  It was so bad that there was widespread sackings and suspicions that the Russian intel people were in on it.

Kharkiv went pretty well, but they left to many good Ukroid people behind for the Ukrainian Secret Police Nazis to have their way with which was quite sad.  Some broken down junk was left.

Kherson Left Bank deserves a 10/10 from what I can see.  Civies were given re-settlement options anywhere they wanted to go, anything which was fit to tow was removed, and there were zero losses in the military ranks.  So they say.  Not only that but the abandoned area was well prepared as a killing field (a new Russian specialty) so much so that the Ukroids stuck their nose in, got it bopped, then got out fast.  It's more than possible that the Russian performance here was bolstered by a deal with the West to get a leash on coke-head Zenenskij.   Or maybe he was just on a powerball binge/crash and didn't notice until Ivan was safely across the river.

Have you abandoned your whole "the war is fake, the whole thing is being orchestrated by the global elite and the outcome is pre determined" conspiracy theory?

If you think the elite - the real Biggies - have their claws in only one or two nations, you are missing it. The elite control what they can, and move with the flow where they can't control.

[LTU_btc]

If you think about it, Ukraine really hasn't captured anything in a real fight.  Yes, they re-occupied areas that the Russians didn't want any more or where just decoys strategically, and of course the Ukroids/Western sponsors made a big deal about it in their pathetic sort of low-grade propaganda way, but I cannot think of anything of significance that they flat out won in Bakmud-style hard combat.

Latest word is that Ukraine themselves are evacuating Kherson after figuring out the hard way which was pretty obvious to every thinking person; It's a loser at this point in time and will be as long as Russia can easily destroy anything which moves on the West Bank and will likely do so for quite some time.  And, of course, if anyone destroys the dam the whole place is wiped clean as though by the wrath of God.

One reason Ukraine might be abandoning Kherson City is that they might be going to have another go at the dam in order to fuck with the water supply to Crimea, but it would be very NaZiocon to keep the population in place at gunpoint just because it's the kind of thing they do.  The Russians certainly knew that which is why the resettled the decent elements of the population before pulling out.

Stuff as usual. Even retreat of Russia is considered as win. Yeah, Russia left it just because they don't want to control it anymore. And Ukraine haven't played any role there. Everything was fine and here one day Russia decide to leave Kherson. Then why they made all these billboards with words ''Russia is here forever''. Same stuff about Kyiv and Kharkiv.
Ukraine evacuating Kherson - maybe it has something with fact that Russia while retreating left city without electricity, water and heating.

[paxmao]

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Kherson Left Bank deserves a 10/10 from what I can see.  Civies were given re-settlement options anywhere they wanted to go, anything which was fit to tow was removed, and there were zero losses in the military ranks....

But will never know right? The number of RF young unmotivated (sometimes enslaved) and untrained RF citizens that have been recycled into planting beds for the maniac leadership and madness of a septuagenarian that has maybe 5 or 10 good years left of life is not published. So sure, zero losses *wink *wink.

But I can agree with you this time, it is a 10/10... for Ukraine. A practical implementation of the Art of War (the battle is won before it starts, the wise general avoids battle, you must have better intelligence, etc.) to the letter.

“Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting.”

"“He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks.Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley."

“He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign."

“Know yourself, know your enemy. A hundred battles, a hundred victories.”

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near"

 - Sun Tzu

This one is specially for you:

“To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy. It is easy to love your friend, but sometimes the hardest lesson to learn is to love your enemy."

 - Sun Tzu

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Stuff as usual. Even retreat of Russia is considered as win.
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Let's toast for RF's victorious retreat of unwanted Crimea then.