Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[LTU_btc]

Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?

Only you can draw such correlation. Ukraine charged him for mass use of banned chemical weapons, he was responsible for it.
https://youtu.be/t1XFcONNcng?si=E3o8O3uD9CiSAN2o
That was powerful explosion. Lesson to Russian generals - don't get close to electroc scooters.

[BADecker]

Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?

Only you can draw such correlation. Ukraine charged him for mass use of banned chemical weapons, he was responsible for it.
https://youtu.be/t1XFcONNcng?si=E3o8O3uD9CiSAN2o
That was powerful explosion. Lesson to Russian generals - don't get close to electroc scooters.

Well, it's good that somebody draws a correlation like this. Thank you for understanding and agreeing  with it.

[GearBrillsGB]

Remember Russian general who was talking about combat mosquitos and American laboratories in Ukraine? Well, he was exploded tonight in Moscow:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/explosion-in-moscow-kills-russian-general-linked-to-chemical-attacks/
Not for the first time in this war I'm amazed how long hands of Ukrainian SBU is, it reminds me Mossad. If you're somehow related with war, even being so far away from front line you can't feel safe.

Are you saying that there was truth in what he was saying and investigating?

I mean, if it was just foolish babbling, it would be better to let him alive, wouldn't it?

Nope, what that general did was to allow and promote the use of chenical weapons in Ukraine. The thing about psychopats  like this one is that they do not care about others and cannot feel empathy, so they are very prone to join institutions like the Ruzzian army which offers the perfect ground to do whatever their wildest sadistic imagination can create.

However, they also understand perfectly well a threat against themselves - they are sadic, but do not like it when it comes their way. I am sure many other psychos in the Ruzzian army get the message perfectly well now: If you try terror and crimes against humanity, forget the international court, judgement happens here and now, at your door step.

https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1024,quality=80,onerror=redirect,format=auto/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/17/GettyImages-2189829934-scaled.jpg

And BTW, there is not deadline on when sentence will be passed.

This is the best article on the topic, but it is behind a paywall https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

A natural result of aggression, why are they offended and angry? Cause-and-effect relationships must be understood.

[Branko]

This is the type of leaders the collective West likes the most:

https://www.unian.ua/politics/poroshenko-zaroblyaye-na-donatah-ukrajinciv-dvichi-kupuye-obligaciji-ta-prokruchuye-cherez-sviy-bank-zmi-12856380.html

Of course, sometime in the future there will be sudden revelation about this in the west, too, and they will
froze (I mean, steal) his money (actually Ukrainian people money) never to return it

[BADecker]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?


Six Embassies Damaged In 'Barbaric' Russian Attack On Kiev


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/six-embassies-damaged-barbaric-russian-attack-kiev#google_vignette
Russia said in the aftermath that swift and appropriate retaliation would come, and already Friday morning it appears Moscow has made good on its threat.

Significantly, major Russian missile barrages have targeted the capital of Kiev. At least one person was killed in the attack, which also damaged a number of foreign embassies. A dozen other people were injured in these strikes.

The Kyiv City Military Administration said that the Albanian, Argentinian, North Macedonian, Palestinian, Portuguese and Montenegrin embassies were damaged in the attack. It appears they were all housed in one large building.

Ukraine's foreign ministry called the attack "barbaric" after severe destruction in some districts, including an area which saw a gas pipeline damaged and five cars catch fire. Five among the injured have been hospitalized.

Portugal, whose diplomatic mission was among those hit, summoned the Russian ambassador to condemn the assault and damage. "It is absolutely unacceptable that any attack should target or have an impact on diplomatic premises," the Portuguese government said in a written statement.

The Kremlin has specified that it was direct retaliation for the Thursday attacks on Rostov using Western weapons:

The city's authorities claim Russia used a combination of Kinzhal ballistic missiles and either Iskander-M or KN-23 systems.

The Russian defence ministry, meanwhile, claimed the attack was a response to Kyiv's strike on the Kamensky Combine in Russia's Rostov region and said Moscow forces had launched a strike with long-range precision weapons targeting the Ukrainian security service's command post and the Kyiv Luch design bureau, which develops various anti-aircraft and missile systems.

Moscow has repeatedly warned that it could begin targeting "decision-making centers" in Ukraine as a result of the US greenlighting long-range strikes on Russian territory utilizing Western weapons.

During Thursday remarks before the annual press Q&A with the Russian president, Putin warned that more Oreshnik hypersonic ballistic missiles could be used, emphasizing that there is no defense against them. He further warned that if the West and US want to test Russia's red lines, then some kind of missile "duel" could happen.

"Let them propose… some kind of technological experiment – a kind of high-tech duel of the 21st century, let's say," Putin proposed at the Moscow event.

"Let them name some object, let's say, in Kyiv, concentrate all their air defense and missile defense forces there, and we will hit it with Oreshnik and see what happens. We are ready for such an experiment. Is the other side ready?" he posed threateningly.
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[paxmao]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.
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Ukraine has not stopped retaliating against specific targets, all military, that have been complicit if not promoters of war crimes. Ukraine has never attacked Ruzzia in their sovereign territory until later in the war and all attacks are clearly justified by the actions of Ruzzia and the military strategy required to preserve Ukraines sovereignty.

I believe that absolutely nobody thinks as of now that Ukraine is not the agressor. The oil industry targetting seems to be doing quite well lately.

[BADecker]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.
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Ukraine has not stopped retaliating against specific targets, all military, that have been complicit if not promoters of war crimes. Ukraine has never attacked Ruzzia in their sovereign territory until later in the war and all attacks are clearly justified by the actions of Ruzzia and the military strategy required to preserve Ukraines sovereignty.

I believe that absolutely nobody thinks as of now that Ukraine is not the agressor. The oil industry targetting seems to be doing quite well lately.

Even standard Russian and Ukrainian history shows that Ukraine attacked first, and continually, until Russia had to do something about it.

Internet. Russian Internet shows the opposite of Western Internet. You need to go back in history to see what has been going on for a long time.

Ukraine's little 2014 attacks into Russia, and into Ukrainian areas that had a lot of Russians in them, was never something that was instigated by Russians. The whole thing was perpetrated by the West in their constant push to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russians. It goes all the way back to the times before the Bolshevik Revolution.

Who Financed the Bolsheviks? - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Who+Financed+the+Bolsheviks%3F&ia=web

Ukraine is simply the latest, greatest push to steal Russia from Russians. And all it is doing is to kill off a bunch of Ukrainians, and a few Russians. And you seem to want to hide this truth right along with the Internet propagandists. What? Got shares in war manufacturing?

[metamorphosyys]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.
[...]

Ukraine has not stopped retaliating against specific targets, all military, that have been complicit if not promoters of war crimes. Ukraine has never attacked Ruzzia in their sovereign territory until later in the war and all attacks are clearly justified by the actions of Ruzzia and the military strategy required to preserve Ukraines sovereignty.

I believe that absolutely nobody thinks as of now that Ukraine is not the agressor. The oil industry targetting seems to be doing quite well lately.

Even standard Russian and Ukrainian history shows that Ukraine attacked first, and continually, until Russia had to do something about it.

Internet. Russian Internet shows the opposite of Western Internet. You need to go back in history to see what has been going on for a long time.

Ukraine's little 2014 attacks into Russia, and into Ukrainian areas that had a lot of Russians in them, was never something that was instigated by Russians. The whole thing was perpetrated by the West in their constant push to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russians. It goes all the way back to the times before the Bolshevik Revolution.

Who Financed the Bolsheviks? - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Who+Financed+the+Bolsheviks%3F&ia=web

Ukraine is simply the latest, greatest push to steal Russia from Russians. And all it is doing is to kill off a bunch of Ukrainians, and a few Russians. And you seem to want to hide this truth right along with the Internet propagandists. What? Got shares in war manufacturing?

When did Ukraine attack Russia first? You made me laugh.

[o48o]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?
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You say you are from US but every time you act like pro-Russia. And now you sound jealous for Ukraine having diplomatic relations, while Russia is left alone

Btw, i also remember you complaining many times how Biden sends aid to Ukraine, so how does it fit into your agenda that your elected felon plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine?

Or don't really believe him either?

[BADecker]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?
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You say you are from US but every time you act like pro-Russia. And now you sound jealous for Ukraine having diplomatic relations, while Russia is left alone

Btw, i also remember you complaining many times how Biden sends aid to Ukraine, so how does it fit into your agenda that your elected felon plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine?

Or don't really believe him either?

When you are out camping with your friends, if a wild bear comes into the camp, you don't go and pet him and offer him food. But if the camp leader promotes this, you let the rest of your friends know about the danger.

Russia isn't left alone. Diplomatic relations is part of the camp leader promoting teasing the bear. Don't you want to warn your friends?

The so-called Felon was so called because of the criminal Biden exercising some criminal power that made the so-called Felon look that way. Remember, it was the Biden Deep State that sent some $200-billion to Ukraine and got hundreds of thousands of them killed. If the Biden Deep State hadn't done this, the war would have been over in two months, and almost all those dead guys would be celebrating Christmas... still alive. The so-called Felon would never have done this, but now he might have to send aid just to clean up the mess that the Biden Deep State started and is still trying to do.

And look at the Zelensky joker who they put in power... a non-Ukrainian, perverted, comedian actor.  So, since they put this joker in power, maybe they DID deserve what they got... some 700,000 troops dead. You DO have a saving point there.

You saw what Putin did with that one Oreshnik missile, and the damage they did to some embassies in Kiev. If Putin was after Ukraine to steal it from the Ukrainians, this war would have been over in two months, and Ukraine would be part of Russia... even if a hot WW3 started because of it. Come on. Get your fellow campers to tease the bear a little more.

[paxmao]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?
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You say you are from US but every time you act like pro-Russia. And now you sound jealous for Ukraine having diplomatic relations, while Russia is left alone

Btw, i also remember you complaining many times how Biden sends aid to Ukraine, so how does it fit into your agenda that your elected felon plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine?

Or don't really believe him either?

He is not pro-anything, he just gets paid by certain media and will say whatever he is told to. My guess is that he may be working for Chinesse media while posing as a "Texan free man" - he may not even know. Speaking so highly of Putin has a problem, and BA will soon find out that not even his beloved Trump is going to have any better luck with Putin than anyone else. Trump will aim to surreneder Ukraine, but if international politics were so simple, there would have been no war in the first place.

I you want to surrender Ukraine, why not removing also al US troops from Europe? Let Europe start spending the money to creaty a credible European self-defence force.

I can see French troops in a new "Berlin wall" called the "Ukrainian Demilitarised Zone".

[BADecker]

I'm so shocked! Ukraine hasn't stopped its attacks that they have been doing since at least 2014. And when Russia strikes back to protect itself, its all Russia's fault, right? Stupid.

Maybe those countries that have embassies in Ukraine will think about moving them out of Ukraine. It isn't worth having your embassy blasted to pieces because of Zelensky's stupidity, is it?
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You say you are from US but every time you act like pro-Russia. And now you sound jealous for Ukraine having diplomatic relations, while Russia is left alone

Btw, i also remember you complaining many times how Biden sends aid to Ukraine, so how does it fit into your agenda that your elected felon plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine?

Or don't really believe him either?

He is not pro-anything, he just gets paid by certain media and will say whatever he is told to. My guess is that he may be working for Chinesse media while posing as a "Texan free man" - he may not even know. Speaking so highly of Putin has a problem, and BA will soon find out that not even his beloved Trump is going to have any better luck with Putin than anyone else. Trump will aim to surreneder Ukraine, but if international politics were so simple, there would have been no war in the first place.

I you want to surrender Ukraine, why not removing also al US troops from Europe? Let Europe start spending the money to creaty a credible European self-defence force.

I can see French troops in a new "Berlin wall" called the "Ukrainian Demilitarised Zone".

See? It's just as I said. You are a warmonger propagandist. Your whole idea is to force peaceful people of NATO countries into spending their time and energy on war.

Which war companies have you bought stock in to make more money off your propagandizing?


Trump Reportedly Plans To Continue Aid To Ukraine But Will Raise NATO Spending To 5%


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-reportedly-plans-continue-aid-ukraine-will-raise-nato-spending-5
A new Financial Times report has cited European officials who say Trump's team told them he plans to continue military aid to Kiev after his inauguration. He's reportedly trying to calm fears of an immediate US withdrawal of support, and this is connected to an expected Trump policy for NATO member states to increase defense spending to 5% of their GDP.

"Donald Trump's team has told European officials that the incoming US president will demand Nato member states increase defense spending to 5% of GDP, but plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine," FT writes.

NATO's existing target of 2% of GPD for defense spending certainly has not been met by all members... not even close. The 2% is being met by only 23 of the alliance's 32 members, and so a significantly higher bar set of more than double that is certainly going to rile Europe.

European NATO leaders have long been trying to figure out how to 'Trump proof' future defense aid for Ukraine, as has the Biden administration.

But there's at least one severe critic - Hungary's Viktor Orban. He estimated in a radio interview on Friday that the US and the EU have pumped over $300 billion in financial aid and military assistance into Kiev's coffers since the war's start.

"During the negotiation with the Americans, I received the figure that Europe and America together have spent €310 billion so far. Those are huge numbers!" the Hungarian prime minister declared.

He went to describe that such a massive amount "could have done wonders" for European people themselves, instead of sinking the funds into an unwinnable war, while avoiding the necessity of negotiations with Moscow.

The 5% defense spending for NATO members could also be a 'tough' tactic as the new administration deals with NATO allies. According to more from Financial Times:

One person said they understood that Trump would settle for 3.5 per cent, and that he was planning to explicitly link higher defense spending and the offer of more favorable trading terms with the US.

"It's clear that we are talking about 3 per cent or more for [Nato's June summit in] The Hague summit," said another European official briefed on Trump's thinking.
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[Faktpanic]

Trump will at least try to end the war favorably for Ukraine.

[Branko]

Trump will at least try to end the war favorably for Ukraine.

"Favorable for Ukraine" is the same as saying "will further escalate war with Russia"

[BADecker]

Trump will at least try to end the war favorably for Ukraine.

"Favorable for Ukraine" is the same as saying "will further escalate war with Russia"

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.

2. Lift the sanctions against Russia; they're only making her stronger. And, they are giving the world an excuse to build BRICS.

3. Send Ukrainian-troop-murderer Zelensky to Gitmo.

4. Under treaty with Russia, send $100-billion to Russia with the agreement that they will spend at least 50% of it on rebuilding Ukraine.

5. Get the US out of there, and get NATO nations as far away from there as possible.

6. Encourage anti-Zelensky, Ukrainian emigrants/immigrants to return to their country and help rebuild.

Anybody can think up more, but this will bring the start of good peace.



EDIT: But that will give Ukraine to Putin.    Wake up. Putin could take Ukraine any morning he wanted as setting up exercises before breakfast.

[o48o]

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

[BADecker]

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

And I understand your need to keep the war going.

Regarding what Trump might do or might not do, we'll see.

However, my points in my post you partially quoted would bring peace, and that's what the point was... PEACE. As it stands right now, look at the fact that Russia hit Kiev with at least one missile, and messed up at least several embassies. Is that what you want throughout Ukraine? 700,000 dead Ukrainian troops wasn't enough for you? You want to destroy the whole Ukrainian population? You must be way more Russian than Russians are.

[paxmao]

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

BA does not necessarely feel the need to make sense. He can say one thing and the oposite just to keep walltexting on behalf of China. NATO was an alliance to stop the Soviet Union. NATO is still an alliance to mostly stop Ruzzia and possibly now China from threatening liberal democracies.

Once Ruzzia goes to war, it is obvious that you will need to spend monay to deter agression. That is not war-mongering, that is peace mongering. This is as old as Stormy Daniel's job to the point that there is an ancient say "si vis pacem, parabellum" - if you want peace prepare for war.

Again, it is time for Europe to become a military power of its own. The whole of Europe has only a basic army and the dependence on the US has been proven to be a problem now that US people are OK with leaving their partners to fend for themselves.

[BADecker]

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

BA does not necessarely feel the need to make sense. He can say one thing and the oposite just to keep walltexting on behalf of China. NATO was an alliance to stop the Soviet Union. NATO is still an alliance to mostly stop Ruzzia and possibly now China from threatening liberal democracies.

Once Ruzzia goes to war, it is obvious that you will need to spend monay to deter agression. That is not war-mongering, that is peace mongering. This is as old as Stormy Daniel's job to the point that there is an ancient say "si vis pacem, parabellum" - if you want peace prepare for war.

Again, it is time for Europe to become a military power of its own. The whole of Europe has only a basic army and the dependence on the US has been proven to be a problem now that US people are OK with leaving their partners to fend for themselves.

Russia has shown over and over that they are a peace-loving country.

The war was started by Ukraine in or before 2014.

Russia finally had to invade in 2022 just to stop the Ukrainian war.

If Russia wanted to make war, they could easily use some missiles like they have used twice lately, and taken Ukraine totally out.

Russia's using of the missiles finally, shows that there are really limits to what they will put up with. It doesn't show that they are afraid to protect themselves when necessary.

Russia is a peace loving people.

USA, Soviet Heated Argument | You Only Live Twice (1967)

[paxmao]

Trump is pretty smart. Want peace?

1. Stop sending armament, troops and money to Ukraine... and remove whatever of it that was already sent that you can.
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I see that you are ignoring my point about Donald planning to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine? Donald also seem to want Europeans to form stronger armies. And definitely one reason for him wanting this is, that he will benefit from weapon contracts that it would bring. And after that he is definitely incentivized to keep the war going.

I am not even touching all the psychological projection of Zelenskyy, because i understand how difficult it must be to cope what Donald is.

Your deep state arguments are more transparent, weaker and more revealing than you think, but i totally understand your need for that feeling of someone controlling everything.

BA does not necessarely feel the need to make sense. He can say one thing and the oposite just to keep walltexting on behalf of China. NATO was an alliance to stop the Soviet Union. NATO is still an alliance to mostly stop Ruzzia and possibly now China from threatening liberal democracies.

Once Ruzzia goes to war, it is obvious that you will need to spend monay to deter agression. That is not war-mongering, that is peace mongering. This is as old as Stormy Daniel's job to the point that there is an ancient say "si vis pacem, parabellum" - if you want peace prepare for war.

Again, it is time for Europe to become a military power of its own. The whole of Europe has only a basic army and the dependence on the US has been proven to be a problem now that US people are OK with leaving their partners to fend for themselves.

Russia has shown over and over that they are a peace-loving country.

The war was started by Ukraine in or before 2014.

Russia finally had to invade in 2022 just to stop the Ukrainian war.
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This is as usual false information, to the point that it belongs in a parallel universe.

There was a treaty by which Ukraine - a peace loving country - gave away their nukes for guarantees of protection - which have failed (that is the US failing once more to live to promises).

Ruzzia invaded Crimea in 2014 - there was not war whatsoever, the only reason was that Ukraine was considering not leasing Sebastopol to Ruzzia - which is their right as sovereign country.

Ruzzia was waging war in Ukraine - not the opposite - in the Dombas region - we are talking 2 Ruzzia army corps fighting and posing as "rebels" but financed 100% from Moscow. Then Ruzzia decided to up this a notch with their botched "special operation".

Not even the most abject of the Kremlin apologists dares to say that "Ukraine attacked Ruzzia" - you need a dumBAss like you for that job.