FIFA World Cup 2022 Discussion Thread

[Awaklara]

I don't know if anyone has realized, but we had several unpredictable games, in which the team that was favorite to win, unfortunately lost.
For example, Germany losing to Japan, Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and recently, France losing to Tunisia.

My question is, will we have a lot of unpredictable games during this World Cup in the future?

even in qualifying, we have seen something we could not have predicted. Italy's failure to qualify, certainly surprised most of the fans, because the country that always regularly appears in the World Cup was finally unable to qualify.
even in the previous edition of the world cup, Croatia finally challenged France in the final match. something very surprising when Croatia also managed to get rid of its favorite country.
every season we can see surprises that we cannot predict.

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[nullama]

I don't know if anyone has realized, but we had several unpredictable games, in which the team that was favorite to win, unfortunately lost.
For example, Germany losing to Japan, Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and recently, France losing to Tunisia.

My question is, will we have a lot of unpredictable games during this World Cup in the future?

I think Germany and Japan will end up so close in the group that we'll have to check the tie breaker rules for this tournament.

From one source I can see there's no head-to-head comparison (Where Japan won against Germany):

   Greatest number of points obtained in group matches between the teams concerned
    Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches between the team concerned
    Greatest number of goals scored in all matches between the teams concerned
    Highest team conduct score – team conduct score is based on the number of yellow and red cards a team has obtained. The team with the highest team conduct score will receive the higher ranking.
        Yellow Card: Minus one point
        Indirect Red Card (acquired via two yellow cards): Minus three points
        Direct Red Card: Minus four points
        Yellow Card and Direct Red Card: Minus five points

But this other source says head-to-head does count, just before the fair play score:

Step 1 - Points
Step 2 - Goal Difference
Step three - Goals scored
Step four - Head-to-head record
Step five - Fair play record
Step six - Random draw

In any case, if Germany wins by a lot of goals and Japan draws, they can end up going to the next round, but if they tie on that number, then it's not that clear to me what's the next rule to apply.

[Oshosondy]

In any case, if Germany wins by a lot of goals and Japan draws, they can end up going to the next round, but if they tie on that number, then it's not that clear to me what's the next rule to apply.

Japan was lucky to win Germany, but failed to win simpler team which was Costa Rica, it was a big disappointment as I thought Japan would win that day when none of the clubs were even still having no goal at the second half, but with just one shot on target, Costa Rica won the match. Let us see what would happen today, but it would be very difficult that Japan would draw with Spain, Spain will likely win while Germany will also win Costa Rica. These are guesses though.

[mv1986]

I don't know if anyone has realized, but we had several unpredictable games, in which the team that was favorite to win, unfortunately lost.
For example, Germany losing to Japan, Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and recently, France losing to Tunisia.

My question is, will we have a lot of unpredictable games during this World Cup in the future?

I think Germany and Japan will end up so close in the group that we'll have to check the tie breaker rules for this tournament.

From one source I can see there's no head-to-head comparison (Where Japan won against Germany):

   Greatest number of points obtained in group matches between the teams concerned
    Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches between the team concerned
    Greatest number of goals scored in all matches between the teams concerned
    Highest team conduct score – team conduct score is based on the number of yellow and red cards a team has obtained. The team with the highest team conduct score will receive the higher ranking.
        Yellow Card: Minus one point
        Indirect Red Card (acquired via two yellow cards): Minus three points
        Direct Red Card: Minus four points
        Yellow Card and Direct Red Card: Minus five points

But this other source says head-to-head does count, just before the fair play score:

Step 1 - Points
Step 2 - Goal Difference
Step three - Goals scored
Step four - Head-to-head record
Step five - Fair play record
Step six - Random draw

In any case, if Germany wins by a lot of goals and Japan draws, they can end up going to the next round, but if they tie on that number, then it's not that clear to me what's the next rule to apply.

What exactly makes you think that they will end up "so close"? There is only a single scenario that would lead to Japan and Germany ending up "so close":
Japan vs. Spain ends in a draw and Germany wins by 1 goal against Costa Rica.

1. Japan vs. Spain 1-1 and Germany Costa Rica 1-0.
2. Japan vs. Spain 2-2 and Germany Costa Rica 2-1.
3. Japan vs. Spain 3-3 and Germany Costa Rica 3-2.

I think we can leave 3. away. I also think we can leave 2. away because I don't see the game between Japan and Spain end 2-2. There is one situation that might make sense and that is 1. Let's see what the odds for a combination bet would be. I pull the data from bet365:

Germany vs. Costa Rica 1-0 - 12.0
Japan vs. Spain 1-1 - 9.5

For your outcome to occur, we are talking about conditional probability, meaning that we multiply the two odds provided above: 12.0 x 9.5 = 114.0

The probability for your "so close" case to occur is 0.877%. To be fair though a 2-2 between Japan and Spain is not impossible. In conditional probability calculations, you add up different possible outcomes. Since the odds for Japan to tie 2-2 vs. Spain is half of 1-1, and Germany vs. Costa Rica 2-1 is roughly the same (a bit less), you could add about 50% of the probability for outcome 1. to outcome 1., giving your roughly 1.3%. Scenario 3. is statistically negligible.

That means statistically in 1 out of 77 times (based on bet365 odds) the scenario you think we are very close to is going to happen.

[MoonOfLife]

In any case, if Germany wins by a lot of goals and Japan draws, they can end up going to the next round, but if they tie on that number, then it's not that clear to me what's the next rule to apply.

Japan was lucky to win Germany, but failed to win simpler team which was Costa Rica, it was a big disappointment as I thought Japan would win that day when none of the clubs were even still having no goal at the second half, but with just one shot on target, Costa Rica won the match. Let us see what would happen today, but it would be very difficult that Japan would draw with Spain, Spain will likely win while Germany will also win Costa Rica. These are guesses though.

After the victory against Germany, our expectations from the Japanese team increased. But Japan failed to live up to our expectations. And lost 1-0 against Costa Rica. Japan's performance against Costa Rica was very good, but they could not break down Costa Rica's defense. Every team in Group E still has a chance to qualify for the knockout rounds. And so every team will want to win today's match. The fate of each team will be decided on the result of today's match.

[mvdheuvel1983]

After the victory against Germany, our expectations from the Japanese team increased. But Japan failed to live up to our expectations. And lost 1-0 against Costa Rica. Japan's performance against Costa Rica was very good, but they could not break down Costa Rica's defense. Every team in Group E still has a chance to qualify for the knockout rounds. And so every team will want to win today's match. The fate of each team will be decided on the result of today's match.

For Group F, the teams that will proceed to the next phase of the competition is no doubt Germany and Spain. They are they the strongest teams with the highest points so far in their group.

[coinism]

I don't know if anyone has realized, but we had several unpredictable games, in which the team that was favorite to win, unfortunately lost.
For example, Germany losing to Japan, Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and recently, France losing to Tunisia.

Saudia Arabia won against Argentina but lost next two games and are now out from World cup. Tunisia won game against France but were already out from World cup since they lost and draw there two opening games. Only Japan is in contest to qualify for next round if they win against Spain while Germany has there next game against Costa Rica. It will be interesting to see who will qualify from group E.

My question is, will we have a lot of unpredictable games during this World Cup in the future?

Its a never ending thing and limited not only to football. If you follow other games then upsets do happen in major tournaments.

[hahay]

Croatia v Belgium is a difficult match to predict which team will win, because even though Croatia only needs a draw it seems that it is not enough. Because after all, of course, Belgium will also put out all its capabilities, because there is no other way for Belgium if it wants to qualify, it is mandatory for Belgium to win.
This is difficult because there is Morocco in the top two which of course, Morocco has a very big chance to win in this last match against Canada. Because in fact, Morocco has so far not conceded at all which proves that Morocco is indeed good in defense.
But for Canada at this moment they are a very weak team, so I personally don't doubt Morocco can beat Canada.

Also about group E where Germany is the only team that has not won in this group, but Germany still has a chance to qualify. But with a note, Spain had to beat Japan and Germany beat Costa Rica, so that was enough for Germany to be the runner-up.
But if, for example, Japan is able to hold Spain to a draw and Germany can win with a big score, then it is likely that Germany will still qualify because it is superior in the number of goals if at this moment Germany can beat Costa Rica with a big score of at least two goals.

[Inwestour]

Also about group E where Germany is the only team that has not won in this group, but Germany still has a chance to qualify. But with a note, Spain had to beat Japan and Germany beat Costa Rica, so that was enough for Germany to be the runner-up.
But if, for example, Japan is able to hold Spain to a draw and Germany can win with a big score, then it is likely that Germany will still qualify because it is superior in the number of goals if at this moment Germany can beat Costa Rica with a big score of at least two goals.

Germany still has a chance, but it is completely dependent on the outcome of the Japan-Spain match. A draw is enough for Spain, and in this case, Germany needs to win confidently, so that they have a good difference between goals scored and conceded, but if Germany cannot beat Costa Rica today, then they have nothing to do at this World Cup, because in playoff the rivals will be much more difficult. They need to win Costa Rica and hope for Spain.

[faujan.nawawi]

Germany's chances are still there, but it really depends on the outcome of the Japan-Spain match. A draw is enough for Spain, and in this case Germany must win confidently, so they have a good difference between goals scored and conceded, but if Germany can't beat Costa Rica today, then they have nothing to do in the World Cup. this. , because in the playoffs the opponents will be much more difficult. They need to win Costa Rica and hope for Spain. But if, for example, Japan is able to hold Spain to a draw and Germany can win with a big score, then it is very likely that Germany will still qualify because of the superior number of goals if at this time Germany can beat Costa. Rica with a big score of at least two goals.

[Xxmodded]

Germany still has a chance, but it is completely dependent on the outcome of the Japan-Spain match. A draw is enough for Spain, and in this case, Germany needs to win confidently, so that they have a good difference between goals scored and conceded, but if Germany cannot beat Costa Rica today, then they have nothing to do at this World Cup, because in playoff the rivals will be much more difficult. They need to win Costa Rica and hope for Spain.

Looking on current standing position, Germany still have chance qualifying to next round but depending with other match result actually between Japan vs Spain, here several alternative way for Germany can qualify to 16 round.

• Win against Costa Rica and Japan beaten by Spain
• Japan vs Spain draw and Germany have won above three goals from Costa Rica
• or little possible mission if Japan beat Spain and Germany have won above 6 goals from Costa Rica but depending with how many goals conceded from Spain

Best alternative way for Germany hope Spain can beat Japan how many score is not matter, don't blame with Costa Rica have highest chance than Germany because if win or draw against with Germany can qualify to next round depending Spain can beat Japan.

[rendravolt]

Also about group E where Germany is the only team that has not won in this group, but Germany still has a chance to qualify. But with a note, Spain had to beat Japan and Germany beat Costa Rica, so that was enough for Germany to be the runner-up.
But if, for example, Japan is able to hold Spain to a draw and Germany can win with a big score, then it is likely that Germany will still qualify because it is superior in the number of goals if at this moment Germany can beat Costa Rica with a big score of at least two goals.

Germany still has a chance, but it is completely dependent on the outcome of the Japan-Spain match. A draw is enough for Spain, and in this case, Germany needs to win confidently, so that they have a good difference between goals scored and conceded, but if Germany cannot beat Costa Rica today, then they have nothing to do at this World Cup, because in playoff the rivals will be much more difficult. They need to win Costa Rica and hope for Spain.

I can't stop thinking what Germany was thinking from the previous 2 matches, they seemed to lack creativity in organizing attacks and only seemed to be playing around. Moreover, they are one of the candidates for the world cup championship, but at least they can perform better. We know Germany has problems like Argentina, but Argentina managed to clear these doubts and advance to the play-offs. The mentality of the German champions here is very questionable, most of their players come from the bundesliga which we know is Bayern Munich which is very great and some of the players were taken from the club. Germany should be able to advance easily, but it must be admitted that they don't seem ready to compete in the world cup and are less exciting to play. Hoping for a miracle in the Japan vs Spain match is not enough, Germany must play at full strength if you want to qualify for the play-offs.

[rahmad2nd]

I don't know if anyone has realized, but we had several unpredictable games, in which the team that was favorite to win, unfortunately lost.
For example, Germany losing to Japan, Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and recently, France losing to Tunisia.

My question is, will we have a lot of unpredictable games during this World Cup in the future?

Whose name is prediction, will not always be true and certain. moreover, only see based on paper only. if we talk based on statistics, on paper the teams you mentioned will be unbeatable with opponents who are far below their level. even for the Belgian squad, which was initially predicted as one of the strong underdogs in this championship. in fact, they are playing unlike any rating they have.

In football is not only based on data and statistics, but what happens in the field can be the other way around.
as you said, Argentina and Germany were beaten that even this team doesn't count in this championship. then France underestimated Tunisia, Didier Descamps did not play his main line-up, in the end France had to be humiliated 1-0.

I think there will always be surprises as long as the teams that have the level don't play as they should. even today, we will watch the match Germany vs Costa Rica. where if the result of this match is a draw, Germany must return from Qatar prematurely.  whether Costa Rica will give a surprise, or maybe Japan vs Spain, let's wait for the results of this fight.

[fachant]

Even if Messi can't score, Messi's role is indispensable for the team's victory. He has performed very well against Poland. Even if Messi's performance is poor, the team's players are more confident when he is in the squad. Also, the opposition defenders have their main focus on Messi, so other players in the team can create scoring opportunities as well. And so even if Messi's performance is a bit weak in a match, Messi plays an important role in the overall performance of the team.

Messi can't score that freely because the opposition defenders will be surrounding him all the time. But that gives an opportunity for some of the other players to score goals. If Messi is not in the starting XI, then it will add more pressure on players such as Di Maria and Martínez. On top of that, even the very presence of Messi is enough to create a psychological barrier in front of the opposition players. He may not have performed as per the expectation in the group stage, but I am sure that he will come back strongly in the knockout phase.

This happened in the first game of this tournament against Saudi Arabia. Where the coach was later suggesting him to play down. The coach understood that Messi was always held back by some players. The Saudis team knew that if they could constrict Messi, they might be able to tie the match. Although they never dared to win the match. However, to play Argentina, Messi must be on the strike. Otherwise it may be more difficult to score.

In fact, I consider Argentina's defeat against Saudi Arabia an accident. Because Saudi Arabia will never have a chance to beat Argentina again. Saudi Arabia were easily taken over by Argentina in that match, with Scaloni also making some tactical errors. But Argentina came back in style, and secured the second round.

[Pulsar77]

Morocco have made an amazing start to the match. They have got ahead by 2-0 already earlier in the match thanks to Ziyech and En Nesyri. Canada don't have any chance left for next stage in the end so they just don't try to put a big effort into the match. This is a big advantage for Morocco as they can even finish the group stage as leader. Morocco already deserved to advance previously actually after obtaining a huge and important victory against Belgium. Belgium is just a huge disappointment in the World Cup.

When it comes to Belgium I don't have much hope about them. They already have no other choice than winning against Croatia now. Even a draw is enough for Croatia to advance and I think they will get it. Because there are still unsolved in-team problems for Belgium and I expect it to affect them in this match also negatively.

[Zanab247]

Morocco have made an amazing start to the match. They have got ahead by 2-0 already earlier in the match thanks to Ziyech and En Nesyri. Canada don't have any chance left for next stage in the end so they just don't try to put a big effort into the match. This is a big advantage for Morocco as they can even finish the group stage as leader. Morocco already deserved to advance previously actually after obtaining a huge and important victory against Belgium. Belgium is just a huge disappointment in the World Cup.

When it comes to Belgium I don't have much hope about them. They already have no other choice than winning against Croatia now. Even a draw is enough for Croatia to advance and I think they will get it. Because there are still unsolved in-team problems for Belgium and I expect it to affect them in this match also negatively.

Morocco coach really mean well for the team in this tournament, because the strategy the team were using in the first half to play Belgium made me to believe that they will surely come out victorious at the end of the game. Morocco are more stronger than Belgium in this FIFA world cup, which many people have seen it in this game, because Belgium defenders could not hold Morocco strikers not to score the two goals to achieve their points.

[Sithara007]

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When it comes to Belgium I don't have much hope about them. They already have no other choice than winning against Croatia now. Even a draw is enough for Croatia to advance and I think they will get it. Because there are still unsolved in-team problems for Belgium and I expect it to affect them in this match also negatively.

Belgium has performed poorly so far in this tournament and their performance so far against Croatia was not much better. They need to win this match. A draw will be useless for them, since they went down to Morocco in the previous match. Now winning against Croatia is going to be a tough task, because the Croatian defense is very experienced and in the first two matches they conceded just one goal. I have a feeling that this world cup is going to end very badly for the UEFA teams. Denmark is already out. Belgium can be the next one.

[CryptoBuds]

Even if Messi can't score, Messi's role is indispensable for the team's victory. He has performed very well against Poland. Even if Messi's performance is poor, the team's players are more confident when he is in the squad. Also, the opposition defenders have their main focus on Messi, so other players in the team can create scoring opportunities as well. And so even if Messi's performance is a bit weak in a match, Messi plays an important role in the overall performance of the team.

Messi can't score that freely because the opposition defenders will be surrounding him all the time. But that gives an opportunity for some of the other players to score goals. If Messi is not in the starting XI, then it will add more pressure on players such as Di Maria and Martínez. On top of that, even the very presence of Messi is enough to create a psychological barrier in front of the opposition players. He may not have performed as per the expectation in the group stage, but I am sure that he will come back strongly in the knockout phase.

This happened in the first game of this tournament against Saudi Arabia. Where the coach was later suggesting him to play down. The coach understood that Messi was always held back by some players. The Saudis team knew that if they could constrict Messi, they might be able to tie the match. Although they never dared to win the match. However, to play Argentina, Messi must be on the strike. Otherwise it may be more difficult to score.

In fact, I consider Argentina's defeat against Saudi Arabia an accident. Because Saudi Arabia will never have a chance to beat Argentina again. Saudi Arabia were easily taken over by Argentina in that match, with Scaloni also making some tactical errors. But Argentina came back in style, and secured the second round.

You are right. The defeat against Saudi Arabia was an accident. However, Argentina had some strategic flaws. Argentina players attacked a lot against Saudi Arabia. But they kept their defenses safe and did not attack even then. They were indifferent about defense. And on this occasion, Saudi Arabia scored from the counterattack. And Argentina conceded two goals in just 5 minutes. I see no weaknesses in Argentina's midfield and forwards. But their defense is still a bit weak. If Argentina wants to become champions, the defense needs to be strengthened.

[snipie]

Denmark is already out. Belgium can be the next one.

Belgium, considered number 1 in FIFA classification was kicked badly in a group considered to be an easy one including Canada, Morocco and Croatia. It was a shameful result and a shocking one.
After all, Morocco deserved to be in the first place, Croatia did good and Belgium made a pity exit, just like Denmark!

[BlackBoss_]

Belgium, considered number 1 in FIFA classification was kicked badly in a group considered to be an easy one including Canada, Morocco and Croatia. It was a shameful result and a shocking one.
After all, Morocco deserved to be in the first place, Croatia did good and Belgium made a pity exit, just like Denmark!

They are number 2 on FIFA ranking before World Cup beginning. Belgium are like Argentina and Germany with shocked loses to weaker teams. Argentina managed to correct their mistake and now they are in round of 16. Belgium failed to correct their mistake and now they are on their last hours in Quatar before taking a flight to their homeland.

One more big team, Germany will have a difficult last group match. Will they succeed like Argentina or fail like Belgium?

Croatia, will they repeat their success four years ago when they finished at a runner up position after failed against France in a final match.