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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
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January 06, 2023, 01:19:45 PM
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Regardless of mistakes or not, I think this is beyond debate because Tuchel is no longer here and now they have to focus on making performance with the new players they have now.
At the moment debating the conditions that have already occurred will actually be useless in my opinion because there will definitely be pros and cons in this matter and it could be that when Tuchel is still there their performance will still be the same as this not to mention that Todd and Tuchel's problems will increase if they are maintained.
Chelsea thinks sacking coaches and bringing in new ones is the best way for the progress of the club,gone are those days when this tactics work for the club. The club needs to get a coach that will build the team,despite the time taken.

I don't see them go far this season,nobody can tell if they are capable of winning Dortmund, this their inconsistent  football is something worrisome and should be looked into by the management. I could remember those times Chelsea sacks coach and a new coach will do better than the old one,I guess that's old fashion now

I think it was suspected that Tuchel's dismissal was not a result problem but an internal problem between Todd and Tuchel, indeed when the officials said to expel the coach, Tuchel could not do anything to defend himself at that time.

Their current condition is still not possible but after a number of new players have joined this possibility will be a differentiator, hopefully it will be like that because the players they have transferred this time are quite good, moreover it is the position they need in the attack line.

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January 06, 2023, 02:23:16 PM
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Between Bayern Munich and PSG of course they have good quality players in their squad. bayern munich maybe their squad will be different from last season Champions league because without lewandowski bayern munich is still very powerful in the Champions league. leroy sane and Choupo Moting have often been players who have been able to make a sizable contribution so far for bayern munich, Nagelsmann may just need to overhaul their playing scheme a little when they face psg later because the three attacking psg are in good form. messi and mbappe I think these players will get a pretty tight guard from the Bayern Munich defense.
The current conditions of the two teams are also good, PSG is so excited to beat Bayern Munich at home, Christophe Galtier must plan an attack in the early minutes, but also must think about a solid defense so as not to concede first. If PSG are able to steal a quick goal, it will make PSG players confident and will put Bayern Munich players under pressure. Lionel Messi can be counted on to break Bayern Munich's concentration.

By placing Lionel Messi behind the attacker, while Kylian Mbappe on the left wing and Neymar on the right wing, it will give birth to a 3-4-1-2 formation for the coach to apply, this pattern is able to make PSG control the ball and lure Bayern Munich players out of defense.

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January 06, 2023, 02:25:58 PM
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Between Bayern Munich and PSG of course they have good quality players in their squad. bayern munich maybe their squad will be different from last season Champions league because without lewandowski bayern munich is still very powerful in the Champions league. leroy sane and Choupo Moting have often been players who have been able to make a sizable contribution so far for bayern munich, Nagelsmann may just need to overhaul their playing scheme a little when they face psg later because the three attacking psg are in good form. messi and mbappe I think these players will get a pretty tight guard from the Bayern Munich defense.
The current conditions of the two teams are also good, PSG is so excited to beat Bayern Munich at home, Christophe Galtier must plan an attack in the early minutes, but also must think about a solid defense so as not to concede first. If PSG are able to steal a quick goal, it will make PSG players confident and will put Bayern Munich players under pressure. Lionel Messi can be counted on to break Bayern Munich's concentration.

By placing Lionel Messi behind the attacker, while Kylian Mbappe on the left wing and Neymar on the right wing, it will give birth to a 3-4-1-2 formation for the coach to apply, this pattern is able to make PSG control the ball and lure Bayern Munich players out of defense.
I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.

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January 06, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
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Regardless of mistakes or not, I think this is beyond debate because Tuchel is no longer here and now they have to focus on making performance with the new players they have now.
At the moment debating the conditions that have already occurred will actually be useless in my opinion because there will definitely be pros and cons in this matter and it could be that when Tuchel is still there their performance will still be the same as this not to mention that Todd and Tuchel's problems will increase if they are maintained.
Chelsea thinks sacking coaches and bringing in new ones is the best way for the progress of the club,gone are those days when this tactics work for the club. The club needs to get a coach that will build the team,despite the time taken.

I don't see them go far this season,nobody can tell if they are capable of winning Dortmund, this their inconsistent  football is something worrisome and should be looked into by the management. I could remember those times Chelsea sacks coach and a new coach will do better than the old one,I guess that's old fashion now

I think it was suspected that Tuchel's dismissal was not a result problem but an internal problem between Todd and Tuchel, indeed when the officials said to expel the coach, Tuchel could not do anything to defend himself at that time.

Their current condition is still not possible but after a number of new players have joined this possibility will be a differentiator, hopefully it will be like that because the players they have transferred this time are quite good, moreover it is the position they need in the attack line.
Chelsea team is currently playing well. They have a great XI. Despite losing to Manchester City, they put up a great fight. But currently they are going to add Argentina's Enzo Fernandez to the team in exchange of a lot of money. But I think it will not be very good to spend so much money on it.

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January 06, 2023, 02:43:29 PM
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How can you say that? I meant hundreds of millions USD already spent and chelsea was at the 10th positions which has proven that if potter can't even handle the team properly. How can you say that if he has been successfully managed the team? that doesn't make sense. Chelsea got only 1 win from last 5 matches in EPL.This is a disgrace for a club. Chelsea has already expected as potential winner for champion league but with the current performance and i see no chance for chelsea even to enter in the UCL next season.
Chelsea was the worst under potter. Potter didn't even know how to manage the team
Current underperformance in Primer League and having one winning from last 5 matches I have been disqualify Chelsea as favorite team for UEFA Champion League winner, spent much money last window transfer and Chelsea failed break to top fourth standing in Primer League after dropping to 10th standing position.

Have advantage with 16 round at UEFA Champion League against Dortmund, bot team have underperformance in domestic league but current standing from Chelsea most terrible than Dortmund still dominance at 5th standing position in Bundesliga. Graham Potter have give bigger contribution for Chelsea and he need take fourth standing place in domestic league if want secure his position until end this season. Champion League could be one opportunity but left one month later match starting seems need to win in domestic league early before preparing at Champion League.

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January 06, 2023, 03:02:48 PM
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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.
The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.

First of all, I don't want to compare Tuchel and Potter. secondly, the fact that Tuchel has been sacked. after all, there are many internal problems facing Chelsea at the moment. let's see, there are many players they get injured. even in yesterday's game, Sterling and Pulisic had to be pulled out due to injury and that means that it will add to a list of names who must be absent in Chelsea's next matches. other than that Potter doesn't have many choices, he can only maximize with the available players. after all, so far it's only Nkunku that Chelsea will sign in the Potter era.

Potter didn't have many options, even Aubameyang did not answer Chelsea's current needs, which Tuchel originally brought in from Barcelona. I'm not a Chelsea fan, but Graham Potter's situation right now isn't any better than it was with Jurgen Klopp with his Liverpool. and the fans who are not satisfied, want the club management to immediately sack them. when in fact, mistakes do not only come from the coach. That in fact, the players they also played very underperformed. this season is Potter's first season with Chelsea, at least he also needs time to bring Chelsea in a better direction. so let's just wait, whether Potter is able to bring Chelsea to finish in the top four of the domestic league. or they can overthrow Dortmund in the last 16 round later. if not, then his first season with Chelsea will also be his last.

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How can you say that? I meant hundreds of millions USD already spent and chelsea was at the 10th positions which has proven that if potter can't even handle the team properly. How can you say that if he has been successfully managed the team? that doesn't make sense. Chelsea got only 1 win from last 5 matches in EPL.This is a disgrace for a club. Chelsea has already expected as potential winner for champion league but with the current performance and i see no chance for chelsea even to enter in the UCL next season.
Chelsea was the worst under potter. Potter didn't even know how to manage the team
Current underperformance in Primer League and having one winning from last 5 matches I have been disqualify Chelsea as favorite team for UEFA Champion League winner, spent much money last window transfer and Chelsea failed break to top fourth standing in Primer League after dropping to 10th standing position.

Have advantage with 16 round at UEFA Champion League against Dortmund, bot team have underperformance in domestic league but current standing from Chelsea most terrible than Dortmund still dominance at 5th standing position in Bundesliga. Graham Potter have give bigger contribution for Chelsea and he need take fourth standing place in domestic league if want secure his position until end this season. Champion League could be one opportunity but left one month later match starting seems need to win in domestic league early before preparing at Champion League.
Chelsea has too many problems at the moment. I'm not sure about their current performance to be able to compete at least for the top 4 of the standings. right now the mid-table of the Premier League is quite tight. if Chelsea doesn't make improvements to their squad, there will be quite a lot of injured players. I'm afraid they won't be in the Champions League next season. even for the game against Dortmund, it will be tough enough for Chelsea.

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January 06, 2023, 03:22:19 PM
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It's not right to make hasty decisions about Potter.  He may not have much experience, but I think he played successful matches in the teams he managed.  I think he can do better after getting to know the team and in an adaptation period for Chelsea.
Potter has a very heavy and big task this season in restoring the performance of the Chelsea team and yes it clearly takes a lot of time for Potter. But for this season Potter still has time left to improve every area that is still weak in the Chelsea team, even though it looks a little late for Chelsea to get up, but at least Chelsea can finish the season in a better ranking in their own local league and try to stay survive in the Champions League even though it will not reach the semi-finals.

Yes indeed, at least we also have to be able to accept Potter to have more time, but if in the next season Potter still can't return a good performance for Chelsea then maybe Chelsea need a replacement. But for this season let Chelsea go like that or as much as they can, because if it's about competition in the Premier League then obviously Chelsea have no more hope.
But if it's for competition in the Champions League, then I think Chelsea still has a good chance to qualify for the quarter-finals.

Because at this moment, Chelsea has an opponent like Dortmund, which is basically Dortmund, so far this season its performance has not improved.
So yes, at least Potter can maximize his progress in the Champions League, because it looks like next season Chelsea will not get a ticket for the Champions League and that is a risk that must be accepted for sacking Tuchel.

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January 06, 2023, 03:30:50 PM
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I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.
We will not know until we will see the result after messi will be playing against the next team. It seems like that so many fans were using messi as the reason why PSG was losing against lens too. Messi will be actually playing against bayern. Bayern itself is slowly restructuring the team. I meant look at how bayern was also trying to build the defensive line become even stronger. Bayern was moving so fast after it must face the truth some of main starter line already injured. that was forcing bayern to get the new players as soon as possible. It seems like that bayern will become the hardest opponent for PSG even though bayern didn't have world class player that played for bayern

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January 06, 2023, 03:52:43 PM
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Chelsea has too many problems at the moment. I'm not sure about their current performance to be able to compete at least for the top 4 of the standings. right now the mid-table of the Premier League is quite tight. if Chelsea doesn't make improvements to their squad, there will be quite a lot of injured players. I'm afraid they won't be in the Champions League next season. even for the game against Dortmund, it will be tough enough for Chelsea.
The game with Chelsea was a serious test for the Potter team, in fact they showed that now they can't play on equal terms with a strong opponent. There are 10 points to the Champions League zone, I don’t know if it’s possible to win back such a gap in half a season. The day after tomorrow Chelsea will again play with City in a cup match, I doubt that anything will change for Chelsea in this match. And after that they will have two matches with Fulham and Crystal Palace, in these games they must get points, there is nowhere to retreat.

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January 06, 2023, 05:56:26 PM
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Chelsea has too many problems at the moment. I'm not sure about their current performance to be able to compete at least for the top 4 of the standings. right now the mid-table of the Premier League is quite tight. if Chelsea doesn't make improvements to their squad, there will be quite a lot of injured players. I'm afraid they won't be in the Champions League next season. even for the game against Dortmund, it will be tough enough for Chelsea.
The game with Chelsea was a serious test for the Potter team, in fact they showed that now they can't play on equal terms with a strong opponent. There are 10 points to the Champions League zone, I don’t know if it’s possible to win back such a gap in half a season. The day after tomorrow Chelsea will again play with City in a cup match, I doubt that anything will change for Chelsea in this match. And after that they will have two matches with Fulham and Crystal Palace, in these games they must get points, there is nowhere to retreat.
The match between Chelsea and Manchester City was very competitive. Both teams attacked brilliantly. But Chelsea played well early and attacked well, they missed some good chances. Manchester City went ahead with a goal from Maharaj in the second half. Later, Chelsea could not score any goals.
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How can you say that? I meant hundreds of millions USD already spent and chelsea was at the 10th positions which has proven that if potter can't even handle the team properly. How can you say that if he has been successfully managed the team? that doesn't make sense. Chelsea got only 1 win from last 5 matches in EPL.This is a disgrace for a club. Chelsea has already expected as potential winner for champion league but with the current performance and i see no chance for chelsea even to enter in the UCL next season.
Chelsea was the worst under potter. Potter didn't even know how to manage the team
Current underperformance in Primer League and having one winning from last 5 matches I have been disqualify Chelsea as favorite team for UEFA Champion League winner, spent much money last window transfer and Chelsea failed break to top fourth standing in Primer League after dropping to 10th standing position.

Have advantage with 16 round at UEFA Champion League against Dortmund, bot team have underperformance in domestic league but current standing from Chelsea most terrible than Dortmund still dominance at 5th standing position in Bundesliga. Graham Potter have give bigger contribution for Chelsea and he need take fourth standing place in domestic league if want secure his position until end this season. Champion League could be one opportunity but left one month later match starting seems need to win in domestic league early before preparing at Champion League.
The Champions League matches are now very competitive. Each team is making itself very strong. Everyone wants to win the match because now if they lose the match they lose points and face a tough test to advance to the next round.
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January 06, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
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The game with Chelsea was a serious test for the Potter team, in fact they showed that now they can't play on equal terms with a strong opponent. There are 10 points to the Champions League zone, I don’t know if it’s possible to win back such a gap in half a season. The day after tomorrow Chelsea will again play with City in a cup match, I doubt that anything will change for Chelsea in this match. And after that they will have two matches with Fulham and Crystal Palace, in these games they must get points, there is nowhere to retreat.
That's not true...
Yunno what happens every other time when a big team loses to a big team like that; it doesn't mean any smaller team could simply jump on them and take advantage of that mis-hap. Infact, they'll even get to build up a better gameplay as they don't have to lose too much to avoid loosing their relagation spot on the table....lmao
A game with crystal palace would be a hard nut to crack up; it seems they usually lose their confidence every other time ,when they play against crystal palace. What makes me more surprised is how Arsenal could manage to contend on that position for a long time now .., I'm seeing it for them.

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January 06, 2023, 07:40:27 PM
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Liverpool's job will be pretty difficult in the Champions League if they maintain this performance now.

Actually they weren't playing in the same way as for the Champions League. It was like they were focused on this tournament more and this was helping them collect three points in nearly all of the matches. They are seven points away from top four now in the English Premier League. They still continue to lose points because of their weaknesses in midfield and defense. The defense can be fixed actually but they need to transfer a midfielder for sure. They had better do that before the Real Madrid matchup.

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January 06, 2023, 07:46:15 PM
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That's not true...
Yunno what happens every other time when a big team loses to a big team like that; it doesn't mean any smaller team could simply jump on them and take advantage of that mis-hap. Infact, they'll even get to build up a better gameplay as they don't have to lose too much to avoid loosing their relagation spot on the table....lmao
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what happens to Chelsea in the domestic league will affect their quality in the champions league, that is the strong reason that I take from their recent performance. dortmund will be against chelsea in the round of 16 and the first leg will take place at the Signal Iduna Park stadium. So it's not impossible that Chelsea will experience difficulties if their performance continues to decline before this match starts. Dortmund can surprise when they play later.

Graham potter has not been successful enough so far with Chelsea in the domestic league because he is too difficult to implement a stronger scheme in Chelsea playing body, Chelsea often lose points and it's quite regrettable because their ranking is getting worse in the standings table.

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January 06, 2023, 09:00:03 PM
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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.
The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.
I think this is an absolute decision from the new leadership where there has been a lot of news that Todd and Tuchel did not really get along so this is what happened, Tuchel's condition was a little difficult when there was a major reshuffle at Chelsea's top brass which made him a bit not too happy because obviously this indirectly affects the performance of the players.
On the other hand, there may be other problems with Todd, so Tuchel, who should still be safe, must be replaced.

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Liverpool will probably play the match against Real Madrid without Wijnaldum. Then the World Cup broke up some players, after all, the resumption of the competition was already a week later. Planned too close together. Liverpool can't possibly be the favorite against Madrid, who are clearly in better shape than Liverpool. It's a game that could have been the final. An open draw is fun for everyone, this way teams with a lesser name can also get quite far. Biggest surprise as Cl winner I think was Porto in the last 20 years. But, that was with Mourinho as coach. Benfica is also in it, and even managed to win the group for PSG.

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January 06, 2023, 09:50:53 PM
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Potter has a very heavy and big task this season in restoring the performance of the Chelsea team and yes it clearly takes a lot of time for Potter. But for this season Potter still has time left to improve every area that is still weak in the Chelsea team, even though it looks a little late for Chelsea to get up, but at least Chelsea can finish the season in a better ranking in their own local league and try to stay survive in the Champions League even though it will not reach the semi-finals.
You must know, Chelsea is a biggest club in career of Potter. It is a biggest challenge he has during his career and by now, I can not say Potter succeeds in Chelsea. In Chelsea, a coach will have to either win Premier League or Champions League and at least complete a season within top four. Beyond top four is a very bad result which can put a coach on fire anytime. They are rich, have high ambition and expect a lot from their coaches. Potter is nearly on fire now.

In Champions League, Chelsea and Potter will meet Dortmund in middle of February and it is still lucky for them. The opponent is Dortmund with their problems with performance and injuries. They are not too different than Chelsea so if Potter manages to help Chelsea recovers in next 5 weeks, they will have advantage to beat Dortmund.

It is a condition because currently both of these clubs have yet resolved their crises.
Potter is still struggling to meet up expectations at Chelsea this is obviously the biggest club he is managing throughout his career. He was enjoying his time at Brighton a much easier club to manage before moving to Chelsea who have high ambitions and top quality talents to manage. Potter isn't a bad coach after all and I think he needs more time to adapt fully to the level of the club since this is the first big club he is managing.
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January 06, 2023, 09:51:32 PM
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I agree that Tuchel getting sacked was not normal, and even though they weren't doing "great" before he left, he showed that he is capable of running the team great and it was obvious from the start that he would be a great manager. So, if they just stayed put and kept Tuchel and just let him work things out, then he could have been better. Like look at Liverpool right now, they suck and horrible right now, and losing to everyone, and yet they are keeping Klopp.

Because they got 1 premier league title, few second places, 2 finals and one title at UCL as well. Those type of things shows how good he is, so they do not fire him for being bad half a season.

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January 06, 2023, 09:54:20 PM
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Liverpool's job will be pretty difficult in the Champions League if they maintain this performance now.

Actually they weren't playing in the same way as for the Champions League. It was like they were focused on this tournament more and this was helping them collect three points in nearly all of the matches. They are seven points away from top four now in the English Premier League. They still continue to lose points because of their weaknesses in midfield and defense. The defense can be fixed actually but they need to transfer a midfielder for sure. They had better do that before the Real Madrid matchup.

Even if Liverpool manage to solve all the problems with the defense and midfield, the games against Real Madrid will not be easy. For Liverpool, the stage has already come when any actions cannot guarantee a result - the opponent is strong and you can lose even showing your best game. Another thing is that Liverpool, in principle, is far from its best form and is still unstable - 3 goals conceded from not the strongest team is a terrible result.

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