⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL

[LUCKMCFLY]

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In my opinion the second list is more accurate. Of course, I also disagree with such a low assessment of Croatia and I think that Croatia, Denmark and the Netherlands should be quoted equally. Otherwise, everything is more or less fair, especially given the randomness of what is happening in the playoffs.

LOL.. Croatia is far ahead of the other two. When was the last time that Danmark performed well in a major international tournament? The same goes for Netherlands as well. These two are dying teams within the UEFA confederation. Danmark failed to win even a single match during FIFA World Cup of 2022. They lost to Australia and France, and then were held by Tunisia for a goalless draw. Netherlands somehow managed to get to the round of 16, partly due to their karate and MMA skills on field. But in the quarter-finals, they got destroyed by Argentina.

Well I can't deny that Denmark always gives a lot to talk about, the teams that are from these countries have a very peculiar fútbol, but it's like you say, we can talk a lot about football, but until they beat Argentina, France, Brazil I think that the countries continue to have a football that is sorely lacking, I say these countries because I know that Croatia is capable of winning and it has, for a reason they got so far in Qatar, Croatian fútbol is also very good, main demonstration , your captain Luka Modric, one of the best fútbol players in the world, winner of the Golden Ball, is something impressive.

[Sithara007]

Croatia has great sqaud that's made up of world class players who in their prime can beat any side in the world. Their midfield maestro is one of the very few midfield players to have ever win the Balon D'or.
However Croatia is never a match to the Brazilian team when it comes to quality players. Brazil's second XI can comfortably beat any team in The word right now. Brazil is the most successful football nation and I think it'll be difficult for anyone to stand them on their day

No need to overestimate Brazil. When was the last time they won the world cup? And forget about their second XI, what happened to their first XI in Qatar 2022? Having talented players in your team is one thing and knowing how to use them as a team is another. Back in Qatar, they had a star-studded side comprised of players like Neymar, Richarlison and Thiago Silva. But what happened during the playoffs? They couldn't even qualify for the semi-finals. As long as Brazil can't play as a team, individual performances from the players won't do them much good.

[slackovic]

Well I can't deny that Denmark always gives a lot to talk about, the teams that are from these countries have a very peculiar fútbol, but it's like you say, we can talk a lot about football, but until they beat Argentina, France, Brazil I think that the countries continue to have a football that is sorely lacking, I say these countries because I know that Croatia is capable of winning and it has, for a reason they got so far in Qatar, Croatian fútbol is also very good, main demonstration , your captain Luka Modric, one of the best fútbol players in the world, winner of the Golden Ball, is something impressive.

Everyone says that Croatia has Luka Modric but I think the UEFA Nations league will be his last competition in the national team. He is getting old and I'm sure it's hard for him to keep up with all the games. It will be interesting to see who will replace him in the Croatian team.

Croatia has great sqaud that's made up of world class players who in their prime can beat any side in the world. Their midfield maestro is one of the very few midfield players to have ever win the Balon D'or.
However Croatia is never a match to the Brazilian team when it comes to quality players. Brazil's second XI can comfortably beat any team in The word right now. Brazil is the most successful football nation and I think it'll be difficult for anyone to stand them on their day

No need to overestimate Brazil. When was the last time they won the world cup? And forget about their second XI, what happened to their first XI in Qatar 2022? Having talented players in your team is one thing and knowing how to use them as a team is another. Back in Qatar, they had a star-studded side comprised of players like Neymar, Richarlison and Thiago Silva. But what happened during the playoffs? They couldn't even qualify for the semi-finals. As long as Brazil can't play as a team, individual performances from the players won't do them much good.

I agree that there is no need to overestimate Brazil, but you can't judge a team for their performance in one playoffs. Playoff games are always risky and it's pretty easy to lose a game even if you are playing better than your opponent. I'm not saying that Brazil was better than Croatia when they lost, but I agree with Docnaster that Brazil would have won at least 7 out of 10 games against Croatia. I guess that in Qatar it was one of the three games where Croatia wins.

[Sithara007]

I agree that there is no need to overestimate Brazil, but you can't judge a team for their performance in one playoffs. Playoff games are always risky and it's pretty easy to lose a game even if you are playing better than your opponent. I'm not saying that Brazil was better than Croatia when they lost, but I agree with Docnaster that Brazil would have won at least 7 out of 10 games against Croatia. I guess that in Qatar it was one of the three games where Croatia wins.

Their playoff performance was also below expectation. They started well, with a 2-0 win against Serbia (probably the second strongest team in Group G after Brazil). Then they had to work really hard for a win against Switzerland, and managed to get full 3 points only due to a goal from Casemiro at 83rd minute. And then came the shocker, when they lost 0-1 to Cameroon (Vincent Aboubakar scored the goal against Brazil in 92nd minute). Their only big win came against South Korea in the round of 16, when they won by 4-1. Overall, it was a disappointing performance from Brazil.

[FanEagle]

Brazil has a great roster if you ask me, look at their roster during world cup as well, they were great but for some reason they fail to be a good team when they are put together. That's the job for the manager and if the manager can't make them all work together then they are going to end up losing and there is nothing you can do about it.

You just have to accept the fact that Brazil is bunch of individuals who are good by themselves in their clubs but when they get together they make up for a decent team at best. I still think they do have a good chance to win the next world cup, they always do, they are a good team, but I do not think that they will be the number one possibility, they will will in top 5 at the very best case if you ask me.

[emrecemsan]

Brazil has a great roster if you ask me, look at their roster during world cup as well, they were great but for some reason they fail to be a good team when they are put together. That's the job for the manager and if the manager can't make them all work together then they are going to end up losing and there is nothing you can do about it.

You just have to accept the fact that Brazil is bunch of individuals who are good by themselves in their clubs but when they get together they make up for a decent team at best. I still think they do have a good chance to win the next world cup, they always do, they are a good team, but I do not think that they will be the number one possibility, they will will in top 5 at the very best case if you ask me.

I came here to say the same thing exactly. Brazil have technically one of the strongest player pools compared to the rest of the other countries. Brazil is like the heart of football above all else. We have seen so many talented players coming out of Brazil thanks to hardworking scouts of top teams in Europe. There have been even many Brazilian legends such as Pele.

It is like there is no time period in which we see majority of Brazilian players being unskilled. They had a great squad in the World Cup as well indeed but it is totally related to the management. They have been in search of a new manager after parting ways with Tite. Ancelotti has been rumoured with the job a lot recently. I hope this happens because he might be the one to make this team reach their potential.

[KTChampions]

Brazil has a great roster if you ask me, look at their roster during world cup as well, they were great but for some reason they fail to be a good team when they are put together. That's the job for the manager and if the manager can't make them all work together then they are going to end up losing and there is nothing you can do about it.

You just have to accept the fact that Brazil is bunch of individuals who are good by themselves in their clubs but when they get together they make up for a decent team at best. I still think they do have a good chance to win the next world cup, they always do, they are a good team, but I do not think that they will be the number one possibility, they will will in top 5 at the very best case if you ask me.

Brazil's golden era was 20 years ago (1994-1998-2002) since then they are always in the favorites group but never win anything. Now they have a good team again and with some luck they can take gold (like any other team from the top 10-15), but the World Cup is a fleeting seven-match tournament and the degree of randomness is such that it is generally impossible to accurately assess the strength of the teams. I would compare it to several all-ins in a row - the one who won is not the best at all, he just had more luck.

[Sithara007]

Brazil's golden era was 20 years ago (1994-1998-2002) since then they are always in the favorites group but never win anything. Now they have a good team again and with some luck they can take gold (like any other team from the top 10-15), but the World Cup is a fleeting seven-match tournament and the degree of randomness is such that it is generally impossible to accurately assess the strength of the teams. I would compare it to several all-ins in a row - the one who won is not the best at all, he just had more luck.

The problem is that Brazil has remained where they were in the 1990s, while the other teams have progressed. Now the gap between Brazil and the other teams have narrowed. And this was very evident during the 2022 edition of the Qatar world cup, when they were defeated by both Cameroon and Croatia. Brazil is no longer the invincible team that they used to be in the past. One of the main reasons is that the domestic league within Brazil is of low quality. All the star players want to participate in the European leagues, so only the emerging players prefer this league.

[slackovic]

The problem is that Brazil has remained where they were in the 1990s, while the other teams have progressed. Now the gap between Brazil and the other teams have narrowed. And this was very evident during the 2022 edition of the Qatar world cup, when they were defeated by both Cameroon and Croatia. Brazil is no longer the invincible team that they used to be in the past. One of the main reasons is that the domestic league within Brazil is of low quality. All the star players want to participate in the European leagues, so only the emerging players prefer this league.

I wouldn't say that the problem with Brazil is their national league. Look at Croatia. They have very poor national league, but the national team is one of the best in the world. Majority of national team players play in strong European leagues like Premiership so they bring much quality to the national team. I would say that with Brazil it's similar. Their star players (Casemiro, Richarlison, Thiago Silva...) are all playing in the top European clubs.

[Sithara007]

I wouldn't say that the problem with Brazil is their national league. Look at Croatia. They have very poor national league, but the national team is one of the best in the world. Majority of national team players play in strong European leagues like Premiership so they bring much quality to the national team. I would say that with Brazil it's similar. Their star players (Casemiro, Richarlison, Thiago Silva...) are all playing in the top European clubs.

I would say that lack of team bonding is one of the issues with Brazil. Their players are immensely talented. But since they play for different clubs in different leagues, the players are not very familiar with each other. And this creates issues while playing as a team. On top of that, I don't have a good opinion about the current Brazilian coach. Carlo Ancelotti is about to replace Tite (Adenor Leonardo Bacchi), but I am not expecting much. Management has been quiet poor with the Brazil national team for the last 5-6 years, I would say.

[slackovic]

I would say that lack of team bonding is one of the issues with Brazil. Their players are immensely talented. But since they play for different clubs in different leagues, the players are not very familiar with each other. And this creates issues while playing as a team. On top of that, I don't have a good opinion about the current Brazilian coach. Carlo Ancelotti is about to replace Tite (Adenor Leonardo Bacchi), but I am not expecting much. Management has been quiet poor with the Brazil national team for the last 5-6 years, I would say.

Again, the same is with Croatian national team. I don't follow Brazil that closely to know how much their coach changes the starting lineup. In Croatia there is standard lineup and everyone knows who will play and who will start on the bench. There are some rotation, of course, but the approximate starting lineup is always known. I'm very curious how will the Croatian national team perform in the final four of the UEFA Nations league this month, but that discussion is probably for another thread.

[Juggy777]

I wouldn't say that the problem with Brazil is their national league. Look at Croatia. They have very poor national league, but the national team is one of the best in the world. Majority of national team players play in strong European leagues like Premiership so they bring much quality to the national team. I would say that with Brazil it's similar. Their star players (Casemiro, Richarlison, Thiago Silva...) are all playing in the top European clubs.

I would say that lack of team bonding is one of the issues with Brazil. Their players are immensely talented. But since they play for different clubs in different leagues, the players are not very familiar with each other. And this creates issues while playing as a team. On top of that, I don't have a good opinion about the current Brazilian coach. Carlo Ancelotti is about to replace Tite (Adenor Leonardo Bacchi), but I am not expecting much. Management has been quiet poor with the Brazil national team for the last 5-6 years, I would say.

@Sithara007 who said that Ancelotti is taking up the Brazil job because he’s already planning for Real Madrid’s upcoming season hence he won’t be coaching the Brazil team anytime soon. Furthermore I feel that Brazil will put in a improved performance because Fred, Anthony, Casemiro all are playing in the same team and hopefully Neymar too will also join them soon at Manchester United which will further improve their chemistry.

[bitgolden]

I would say that lack of team bonding is one of the issues with Brazil. Their players are immensely talented. But since they play for different clubs in different leagues, the players are not very familiar with each other. And this creates issues while playing as a team. On top of that, I don't have a good opinion about the current Brazilian coach. Carlo Ancelotti is about to replace Tite (Adenor Leonardo Bacchi), but I am not expecting much. Management has been quiet poor with the Brazil national team for the last 5-6 years, I would say.

@Sithara007 who said that Ancelotti is taking up the Brazil job because he’s already planning for Real Madrid’s upcoming season hence he won’t be coaching the Brazil team anytime soon. Furthermore I feel that Brazil will put in a improved performance because Fred, Anthony, Casemiro all are playing in the same team and hopefully Neymar too will also join them soon at Manchester United which will further improve their chemistry.

I am still bothered with managers not doing dual job, that should be more common. I know that it is going to be tough job for sure but that doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with that being a good idea for them. Ancelotti at the head of Brazil and Real Madrid at the same time would be an ideal situation without a doubt.

It is going to be a bit influencer on the players he already has at Real, he would favor them a lot more and that's a trouble, but at the same time they would be able to actually end up with something better for the long term since players would know what their manager wants from them at the club so it would help them at the national team as well. All in all dual job should start already.

[KTChampions]

Brazil's golden era was 20 years ago (1994-1998-2002) since then they are always in the favorites group but never win anything. Now they have a good team again and with some luck they can take gold (like any other team from the top 10-15), but the World Cup is a fleeting seven-match tournament and the degree of randomness is such that it is generally impossible to accurately assess the strength of the teams. I would compare it to several all-ins in a row - the one who won is not the best at all, he just had more luck.

The problem is that Brazil has remained where they were in the 1990s, while the other teams have progressed. Now the gap between Brazil and the other teams have narrowed. And this was very evident during the 2022 edition of the Qatar world cup, when they were defeated by both Cameroon and Croatia. Brazil is no longer the invincible team that they used to be in the past. One of the main reasons is that the domestic league within Brazil is of low quality. All the star players want to participate in the European leagues, so only the emerging players prefer this league.

The Brazilian League has remained where it was, and European football has contributed to the fact that the level of all the top teams (which supply a lot of players to Europe) has leveled off. In fact, there is no difference between national teams if most of their players play in Europe. In such conditions, it decides randomly - the "yield" of generations and how lucky they are. For example, Belgium had a very productive generation, but they were unlucky. France has a yield generation that is lucky.

[harapan]

I am still bothered with managers not doing dual job, that should be more common. I know that it is going to be tough job for sure but that doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with that being a good idea for them. Ancelotti at the head of Brazil and Real Madrid at the same time would be an ideal situation without a doubt.

It is going to be a bit influencer on the players he already has at Real, he would favor them a lot more and that's a trouble, but at the same time they would be able to actually end up with something better for the long term since players would know what their manager wants from them at the club so it would help them at the national team as well. All in all dual job should start already.

I'd really like to know why you feel this would be a good idea. Because the reasons you have are not reasonable enough for a club or national team to share it's manager..
First, the manager's attention will be divided. He can't focus on both teams a hundred percent. Maybe you feel it's only during international breaks that the managers of national teams work which is not true. They work round the clock too just like club managers.
The watch the players of their national team play for their various clubs so they'll know who to call up for a particular tournament. It's going to be a disaster for all the parties involved. Real Madrid, Brazil and Ancelotti will all be in a big mess.
Then there's also the fact that you didn't mention a small team. It's Real Madrid. A team of that magnitude. A tea fighting for the champions league, La Liga, Copa del Rey. Then Brazil. This is actually funny when I think about it.
It's not going to work. Neither team will even agree to that.

[Sithara007]

@Sithara007 who said that Ancelotti is taking up the Brazil job because he’s already planning for Real Madrid’s upcoming season hence he won’t be coaching the Brazil team anytime soon. Furthermore I feel that Brazil will put in a improved performance because Fred, Anthony, Casemiro all are playing in the same team and hopefully Neymar too will also join them soon at Manchester United which will further improve their chemistry.

Well.. I don't know. Brazil has constantly underperformed for the last few years.. I am not just talking about the FIFA World Cup, but also other tournaments such as the Copa America. Individually they have the best football players in the world. But when 11 of them are in the field, the chemistry between them doesn't always works out well. And these same players perform exceptionally well when they play in different European leagues. And regarding Neymar, I heard that he rejected a very lucrative offer from Saudi Arabia, in order to move to Manchester United.

[slapper]

Brazil has a great roster if you ask me, look at their roster during world cup as well, they were great but for some reason they fail to be a good team when they are put together. That's the job for the manager and if the manager can't make them all work together then they are going to end up losing and there is nothing you can do about it.

You just have to accept the fact that Brazil is bunch of individuals who are good by themselves in their clubs but when they get together they make up for a decent team at best. I still think they do have a good chance to win the next world cup, they always do, they are a good team, but I do not think that they will be the number one possibility, they will will in top 5 at the very best case if you ask me.

Who could really argue that Brazil hasn't been enjoying a phenomenal run of form in international football competition? When they were at the top of their game, in the late '90s and early '00s, what happened? Killer aim, really dominant! The latest World Cups, though, man. They've certainly experienced their share of "facepalm" moments.

Don't misunderstand me, though. This Brazil team is really real. Each player acts like a viral social media influencer by dropping abilities on the pitch. However, it appears that they have forgotten the password to their Wi-Fi-based group chat. Do they require an administrator to manage such powerful avatars?

The big question is whether or whether RNGesus will be able to save them in the next World Cup. Just seven bouts, so don't stress. It's the poker equivalent of a "YOLO" throw of the dice. Will they win big, or will the random number generators say no?

[Daniel91]

@Sithara007 who said that Ancelotti is taking up the Brazil job because he’s already planning for Real Madrid’s upcoming season hence he won’t be coaching the Brazil team anytime soon. Furthermore I feel that Brazil will put in a improved performance because Fred, Anthony, Casemiro all are playing in the same team and hopefully Neymar too will also join them soon at Manchester United which will further improve their chemistry.

Well.. I don't know. Brazil has constantly underperformed for the last few years.. I am not just talking about the FIFA World Cup, but also other tournaments such as the Copa America. Individually they have the best football players in the world. But when 11 of them are in the field, the chemistry between them doesn't always works out well. And these same players perform exceptionally well when they play in different European leagues. And regarding Neymar, I heard that he rejected a very lucrative offer from Saudi Arabia, in order to move to Manchester United.

Let's compare only the results of Brazil and Croatia at the last 2 world cups. At both world cups, Brazil is the first favorite for the title of world champion, but they did not even manage to reach the semi-finals. On the other hand, Croatia won medals, silver and bronze at both world cups, how can this be rationally explained?
We all know the value of Brazil's players and the value of Croatia's players. Are the Brazilian players overrated or are the Croatian players greatly underestimated?
In any case, for a national team to become a world champion, it is obvious that the great individual quality of football players is not enough if the team is not ready for great results.

[Joca97]

@Sithara007 who said that Ancelotti is taking up the Brazil job because he’s already planning for Real Madrid’s upcoming season hence he won’t be coaching the Brazil team anytime soon. Furthermore I feel that Brazil will put in a improved performance because Fred, Anthony, Casemiro all are playing in the same team and hopefully Neymar too will also join them soon at Manchester United which will further improve their chemistry.

Well.. I don't know. Brazil has constantly underperformed for the last few years.. I am not just talking about the FIFA World Cup, but also other tournaments such as the Copa America. Individually they have the best football players in the world. But when 11 of them are in the field, the chemistry between them doesn't always works out well. And these same players perform exceptionally well when they play in different European leagues. And regarding Neymar, I heard that he rejected a very lucrative offer from Saudi Arabia, in order to move to Manchester United.

Let's compare only the results of Brazil and Croatia at the last 2 world cups. At both world cups, Brazil is the first favorite for the title of world champion, but they did not even manage to reach the semi-finals. On the other hand, Croatia won medals, silver and bronze at both world cups, how can this be rationally explained?
We all know the value of Brazil's players and the value of Croatia's players. Are the Brazilian players overrated or are the Croatian players greatly underestimated?
In any case, for a national team to become a world champion, it is obvious that the great individual quality of football players is not enough if the team is not ready for great results.

Brazil underestimate all of their opponents thinking that they are the best and they prove that in the group faze but when it come to knockout faze they lose the big matches. Croatia goes on their teamwork and with every round they skip thats a big achievement for them. Will see them at next world cup where they will be because a lot od players wont play for them

[Sithara007]

Brazil underestimate all of their opponents thinking that they are the best and they prove that in the group faze but when it come to knockout faze they lose the big matches. Croatia goes on their teamwork and with every round they skip thats a big achievement for them. Will see them at next world cup where they will be because a lot od players wont play for them

I agree with this observation. After their big win against Serbia early on, Brazil became complacent during the FIFA World Cup 2022 group phase. They lost to Camroon by a margin of 0-1. Argentina also lost to Saudi Arabia in the group phase, but the difference is that they learnt their lesson and started to treat their opponents with respect. They never lost another match in the 2022 edition. On the other hand, Brazil got one more big win against South Korea in the round of 16, and then again went back to their old ways. And finally got knocked out by Croatia in QF stage.