Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[GiftedMAN]

And coming back to KYC, i personally believe that it will be of great help if after signing up on a new casino, we reach out to the customer care of such casino to find out what their terms on KYC is, even if we have read it in their terms of service, having the customer care repeat their terms in chat can sure give some confidence, so that if after depositing and playing, and upon withdrawal, they try to do anything stupid, we can immediately hold them by their words .

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Sometimes casino can decide to leave KYC verification so that gamblers would not have any problem that will hinder them from using the casino to relief them of the stress they would have to understand if KYC is required immediately.

 I think this will help the gambler to focus on something else especially on there bets and when they wan to withdraw, KYC can be necessary. Some persons could see this kind of tactics as a deceit not knowing thay their KYC verification will be needed when they are not asked from the beginning. This is why it is very important for us to do some diligent findings before using any casino.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Majority of them would really be that KYC less on the time that you would really be making out some registration but majority of them would really be sharing up with the same terms on which they would really be stating that they would really be having the rights on asking if ever they would really be see something odd or really that violate against their rules on which it would really be just that a normal approach that would really be done by any business specially that it do really connects out with gambling business or industry.

This is why always anticipate that they could really turn out to south and this is why its better to expect on whatever things which are unexpected. If you dont really that make yourself that versatile or really that
able to accept on things which might happen ahead. Then you would really be throwing out with those baseless accusations on which it is really that something that needs to be proven out.
If you are just a small time gambler then this kind of issue or situation wont really be that something that you do need to mind on.

Sorry for going off-topic for a moment, but I noticed that you've used the word 'really' 16 times in your post which is way too much. Just a tip, if you want your posts to be more reader-friendly and want others to like them more, you should try and use the same words less in a single post. Words that are repeated too many times make your writing look bad. I hope you don't mind.

Coming back to the topic, most platforms don't ask gamblers to complete their KYC verification at the time of registration because they know that it can make a lot of them run away without even gambling, but if they don't do that, the gamblers will make deposits and gamble on the platform and if they lose, the casino gets what it wants, and if they manage to win something significant, the casino will ask them to complete their KYC verification to withdraw the funds.

Well, I don't know if this is ideal, because things when it comes to casinos and making them attract more Players to the platforms can be in a very particular way , I think you could say investigate, because when there is a lot What to talk about, the least they say is that there is no KYC, because the KYC is a way to make the players Comply when they make the withdrawal, which I find very distasteful, because they should be sincere and say that before making any withdrawal the KYC is required or requested, and that it is recommended that they do it before , so that they do not have to go through bad times, then the person already knows that they have to comply with the KYC for any withdrawal If this is the case and the person gives you the platform, then they comply with the KYC, and thus problems are avoided, but there have been so many cases where people say that the casino does not require KYC but that they do a random KYC and it seems coincidental that this It's a trick that forces the player to comply with KYC, so sometimes this is misleading advertising, and this is not good, this causes even more annoyance, so they should not do that type of practice, because it could be that some people play, gne and you have to do the KYC to withdraw, but after you withdraw, you never come back, and you speak badly about the casino, this is not the way to assign a community or something good for a casino, because no one will enter or want to go through that bad moment.

A casino must be as transparent as possible, just like those deposit notifications, there must be notices to comply with the KYC for your withdrawal, because there is Nothing Worse than a Scam, or a company deceives a client, or its clients, That is the only worst thing that can happen on a platform, then in this Order of ideas Things can go on the right path when they are done as they are, so people have the freedom to choose, they should not deceive , because the basic thing is to Deceive but to deceive be as transparent as possible.

[Hirose UK]

And coming back to KYC, i personally believe that it will be of great help if after signing up on a new casino, we reach out to the customer care of such casino to find out what their terms on KYC is, even if we have read it in their terms of service, having the customer care repeat their terms in chat can sure give some confidence, so that if after depositing and playing, and upon withdrawal, they try to do anything stupid, we can immediately hold them by their words .

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Every gambler is advised to always read the requirements in the casino whether in terms of verification requirements or other regulations because when in the future there is problem regarding one of the existing regulations, including KYC there will definitely be feeling of disappointment some people will even not be able to accept it gracefully so assume that the casino has committed fraudulent acts even though he is customer who has not read all the existing rules.
It is indeed difficult to fulfill all the requirements requested by the casino but if it is for our comfort and smoothness when gambling in the casino then why should we object when everything is also for the common good.
I am surprised that most people think that KYC is bad and they reject KYC because they maintain anonymity or think that casinos can leak the data they have provided but in reality every casino has security for all of it.

From everything that has been discussed the most correct thing is to provide KYC after registration is complete so that when making large withdrawals we are no longer asked for verification and on the other hand there is also reason for us to keep what we have certain amount of winnings.

[Pandu Geddon]

From everything that has been discussed the most correct thing is to provide KYC after registration is complete so that when making large withdrawals we are no longer asked for verification and on the other hand there is also reason for us to keep what we have certain amount of winnings.

but most of those who try a new casino always miss the important part of reading all the terms and conditions of the casino. they fill in standard personal data then make a deposit and play. they may realize KYC with more complete data is required. But more gamblers will prioritize the game first than the initial KYC verification.

The problem that many users have with KYC problems when withdrawing is the long data verification process carried out by the casino. When there are problems with large withdrawals, there will be several procedures implemented by the casino's compliance team. and most of them take a long time.

[Webetcoins]

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Sometimes casino can decide to leave KYC verification so that gamblers would not have any problem that will hinder them from using the casino to relief them of the stress they would have to understand if KYC is required immediately.

 I think this will help the gambler to focus on something else especially on there bets and when they wan to withdraw, KYC can be necessary. Some persons could see this kind of tactics as a deceit not knowing thay their KYC verification will be needed when they are not asked from the beginning. This is why it is very important for us to do some diligent findings before using any casino.

We can't blame the casino or a platform for what we expected on our own without them saying anything about it. Their only responsibility is to present the terms and conditions to us and they do that when we are creating an account and we agree with them without even reading them, so if there is anyone to blamed for that, it's us and not them. If we really care about KYC or any other rule and regulation, we should go ahead and read the terms and conditions before we create our account and start gambling.

We become lazy when we join a platform, and then we blame the platform for not letting us know about a certain thing when they have it written in the terms and conditions that we agreed to when creating our account, so I don't see why we should blame them when they didn't even say anything about it.

[stomachgrowls]

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Sometimes casino can decide to leave KYC verification so that gamblers would not have any problem that will hinder them from using the casino to relief them of the stress they would have to understand if KYC is required immediately.

 I think this will help the gambler to focus on something else especially on there bets and when they wan to withdraw, KYC can be necessary. Some persons could see this kind of tactics as a deceit not knowing thay their KYC verification will be needed when they are not asked from the beginning. This is why it is very important for us to do some diligent findings before using any casino.

We can't blame the casino or a platform for what we expected on our own without them saying anything about it. Their only responsibility is to present the terms and conditions to us and they do that when we are creating an account and we agree with them without even reading them, so if there is anyone to blamed for that, it's us and not them. If we really care about KYC or any other rule and regulation, we should go ahead and read the terms and conditions before we create our account and start gambling.

We become lazy when we join a platform, and then we blame the platform for not letting us know about a certain thing when they have it written in the terms and conditions that we agreed to when creating our account, so I don't see why we should blame them when they didn't even say anything about it.

The only time that people would really be checking out those terms and conditions is on the time that they are experiencing some issues and its true that most of us are really that too lazy on reading up sites terms and conditions on which this is something that should have been done on the time that we do make out registration on the site but well even myself is really that guilty to this on which it is really that too tiring on reading up that whole pile of text on the time that you do play or make some registration on which we do know that most terms and conditions are really that mimic to each other or really just that the same on which having that assumption that most of them really just the same but to know that there would really be certain conditions might be changed up basing on the site that you are dealing with.

In most casinos that we do have today in the market which verification or kyc is really that possibly be asked specially if you have violated their terms. Only a few would really be asking
for some verification on the time that you do reach out some withdrawal amount threshold but there are still some places who would really be that having no questions asked
whenever you do request out some withdrawal on which it is really just that they could easily released without questions asked out.

[Onyeeze]

And coming back to KYC, i personally believe that it will be of great help if after signing up on a new casino, we reach out to the customer care of such casino to find out what their terms on KYC is, even if we have read it in their terms of service, having the customer care repeat their terms in chat can sure give some confidence, so that if after depositing and playing, and upon withdrawal, they try to do anything stupid, we can immediately hold them by their words .

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Sometimes casino can decide to leave KYC verification so that gamblers would not have any problem that will hinder them from using the casino to relief them of the stress they would have to understand if KYC is required immediately.

 I think this will help the gambler to focus on something else especially on there bets and when they wan to withdraw, KYC can be necessary. Some persons could see this kind of tactics as a deceit not knowing thay their KYC verification will be needed when they are not asked from the beginning. This is why it is very important for us to do some diligent findings before using any casino.

Without be told we suppose to know that KYC verification is important and as a gambler of different casinos you have your documents and verify all your accounts, secondly we have to understand that some people don't like to show their identities in online or share their documents and that's why KYC in casinos always give so many of them issues and they can only be curious in any issues they have when they want to withdraw and that's the time they will start complaining of verification of their documents, so we need to be serious in anything concerning verification so that we can be free to withdraw any wining balance in casinos platform.

[Wiwo]

We can't blame the casino or a platform for what we expected on our own without them saying anything about it. Their only responsibility is to present the terms and conditions to us and they do that when we are creating an account and we agree with them without even reading them, so if there is anyone to blame for that, it's us and not them. If we really care about KYC or any other rule and regulation, we should go ahead and read the terms and conditions before we create our account and start gambling.

We become lazy when we join a platform, and then we blame the platform for not letting us know about a certain thing when they have it written in the terms and conditions that we agreed to when creating our account, so I don't see why we should blame them when they didn't even say anything about it.

To some extent,  it has been the lack of responsibility on the part of the gambler who complains about casinos demanding for KYC,  when they already signed up to a centralized casino, that is the result of gambling and accepting the terms and conditions of those casinos who have KYC implementation in place.

Moreover, for gamblers who sign up whether KYC is demanded at the point of account creation or the KYC is requested while already gambling in the casino it doesn't matter as long as it is captured in in theT&C.

[GxSTxV]

This matter has been discussed multiple times here in the forum, mainly this concerning players and people who face such matters which aren’t even an issue. Those most affected tend to be those who have faced significant losses, those who refuse or just lazy to read the casino's rules, or those who are unable to complete the KYC process for any reason and yet they choose to deposit their funds into casinos that require documentation.

To specifically address the question of why KYC verification is not required before deposit and why these issues typically appearing only when trying to make a withdrawal: The simple reason is that casinos want to keep their efforts for other important things. They avoid the upfront verification process to save time and effort of their workers beside making their casino accessible and easy for users to start playing quickly, as they can efficiently verify documents when you request a withdrawal. So what you need to do is to ensure that you are following the rules and are not from a restricted region. And of course dealing with a legitimate casino, following these steps won’t get you in any trouble. Many of us here as gamblers we don’t face these kind of issues.

[khaled0111]

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You are right about all you have said, I've nothing to disagree with it. But don't you think that casinos should emprove their ToS and their policies to satisfy their clients! If their clients aren't OK with one of their rules, don't you think they should modify that rule to satisfy their clients.

[asriloni]

From everything that has been discussed the most correct thing is to provide KYC after registration is complete so that when making large withdrawals we are no longer asked for verification and on the other hand there is also reason for us to keep what we have certain amount of winnings.

but most of those who try a new casino always miss the important part of reading all the terms and conditions of the casino. they fill in standard personal data then make a deposit and play. they may realize KYC with more complete data is required. But more gamblers will prioritize the game first than the initial KYC verification.

The problem that many users have with KYC problems when withdrawing is the long data verification process carried out by the casino. When there are problems with large withdrawals, there will be several procedures implemented by the casino's compliance team. and most of them take a long time.

Everything already fully explained at their TOS. It's responsibility by the users to make sure everything is clear by reading their TOS before they are trynig to play in that casino. I would not even blame casino for this yet i would not deny if there are some casinos probably used this side as a way to scamming its users, but there are still a bunch of trusted casinos. KYC was coming due to the regulatory request to make sure casino will be also preventing the money laundering as well.
Asking user's data is not that important for casino but the problem if regulator sees it as one if very important thing this time. That's the reason why casino ask its users to complete casino especially when user withdraw a lot of money.
There's nothing problem with casino as long as people can follow it easily and it will be so much easy to deal with it.

The casino is only need user to play and not their identity but the regulator does need to know the users of casino.

[delfastTions]

If you say it's not fair then I will point this at you and say its your ignorance to accept the terms and conditions without knowing what you are accepting. And its pretty much the same at every casino and it is very rare that you will be asked for verification to deposit funds.

If you still feel their terms are unfair then you are free to choose the casino that has terms in your best interest. By the way, this is just something created out of frustration arising when you violated their TOS, and now funds are on hold by the casino while waiting for verification in the future don't repeat the same mistake and if you are from a restricted country then take some time to find which casinos are accepting players from your region and you can seek help on bitcointalk too for some valuable feedbacks.

But I think that in general it’s probably better to first read reviews about a specific casino that you are unfamiliar with on our forum.  It’s just that here in the “Gambling" section you will definitely find a topic for almost any large casino and in this topic there are reviews and recommendations frm experienced players. Sometimes you can even find separate descriptions of controversial issues that other players have had before. So this approach to the issue of changing casinos seems to me  quite optimal from the point of view of finding out the real situations that the player faces.
 This is very useful to do even before the moment when you start sending your money for a deposit to a new casino for you in which you have not played before.

Asking for verification is pretty much common practice on all the crypto casinos if I am not wrong so this won't be really surprising unless the person actually new to the crypto gambling platform and probably trying the first withdrawal of his life. In that case, exploring the bitcointalk won't give the person a solution because we used to know what are the common practices in casinos. So don't skip the terms that you are supposed to read and don't blame the casino if you violated some of the terms without actually knowing.

But it seems to me that even if the player is completely inexperienced, then even in this case, reading the texts of the posts in the topic about the casino he is interested in here on our forum will still give the person very useful information. 

Of course, if, as you read, terms and concepts arise that a person without experience in the gambling industry does not know, then their meaning can always be approximately found out by reading thhe basics of the gambling business, for example, on Wikipedia.  For example, the Martingale strategy, if you come across it in the text of some post, then just open the corresponding description on Wikipedia. 
If the person studying the posts is not completely stupid, then he will be able to understand in general what nuances may arise when playing specifically in the casino that interests him and whose topic he is reading here on our forum. 
So I consider this kind of reading of topics in BTT generally useful for everyone interested in a variety of casinos, of which there are many.  And this is suitable for both experienced players and those who are just starting their exciting journey into the world of gambling, into the world of modern casinos.

[wiss19]

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You are right about all you have said, I've nothing to disagree with it. But don't you think that casinos should emprove their ToS and their policies to satisfy their clients! If their clients aren't OK with one of their rules, don't you think they should modify that rule to satisfy their clients.

They should if they can. I mean they will probably consider doing something like that if they receive feedback from a lot of clients about the same thing which is to either remove or modify a certain rule that they don't like and if the casino doesn't do it, it will result in those clients leaving the platform completely. In such a situation, the management will be compelled to take at least some action for the satisfaction of their clients just to retain them.

However, if it's just a few people requesting a certain change, I don't really think that the management will even think of it and they don't need to, because if changing that rule would hurt the platform more than the loss of a few gamblers then whey will obviously not be ready to go with that change at all.

[kotajikikox]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.


I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
EDIT
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

I don't know the site but its lucky for me that I never play any casino that has not introduces and have proven here in our forum to save myself from falling into trap.

have seen so much of this kind in the past and even see those long running casino here having this same issues.

meaning not calling all the casino but at least there are many that Hide in their TOS being not read by players.

because they are hiding this for same reason and that is to trick gamblers that lazy in reading rules.

[bitcoiner247]

There are a lot of good casinos that are not mentioned here. Especially scandinavian casinos like comeon, betsson, unibet an so forth. Comeon and their brands all accept cryptocurrencies, like Comeon, Mobilespin and Saga Kingdom.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

And coming back to KYC, i personally believe that it will be of great help if after signing up on a new casino, we reach out to the customer care of such casino to find out what their terms on KYC is, even if we have read it in their terms of service, having the customer care repeat their terms in chat can sure give some confidence, so that if after depositing and playing, and upon withdrawal, they try to do anything stupid, we can immediately hold them by their words .

Should we first of all waited for the casino registration before reading up the requirements for the KYC if they are conditions we can afford to bear or not, we can't just continue making registration on wasted efforts to later discover that we cannot cope with their laid down conditions, the only condition i can accept this kind of suggestion is when the casino is not a KYC gambling platform entirely, then I will know that after my registration, i have nothing to worry about.

Sometimes casino can decide to leave KYC verification so that gamblers would not have any problem that will hinder them from using the casino to relief them of the stress they would have to understand if KYC is required immediately.

 I think this will help the gambler to focus on something else especially on there bets and when they wan to withdraw, KYC can be necessary. Some persons could see this kind of tactics as a deceit not knowing thay their KYC verification will be needed when they are not asked from the beginning. This is why it is very important for us to do some diligent findings before using any casino.

You got the logic in it, the casinos always uses that to attract gamblers by not having barriers to start with the use of their gambling platform for their bettings, doing this does not mean they are no kyc casino, but instead, they were being linient enough to make sure that they firstly consider the means to make every users stay back in using their platform then later request for kyc, which i believe shouldn't be a surprise for any gambler knowing well that they are also using a kyc casino, such could come up anytime they like.

[GiftedMAN]

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You are right about all you have said, I've nothing to disagree with it. But don't you think that casinos should emprove their ToS and their policies to satisfy their clients! If their clients aren't OK with one of their rules, don't you think they should modify that rule to satisfy their clients.

They should if they can. I mean they will probably consider doing something like that if they receive feedback from a lot of clients about the same thing which is to either remove or modify a certain rule that they don't like and if the casino doesn't do it, it will result in those clients leaving the platform completely. In such a situation, the management will be compelled to take at least some action for the satisfaction of their clients just to retain them.

However, if it's just a few people requesting a certain change, I don't really think that the management will even think of it and they don't need to, because if changing that rule would hurt the platform more than the loss of a few gamblers then whey will obviously not be ready to go with that change at all.

Since there is different level of KYC, is is very important for a casino to ask for a simple KYC requirements so that the users will not be too disappointed when they finally find out that they will need to drop there credentials for the casino to process there withdrawal. This should be easy on customers because that alone can make a customer to decide not to use the casino again especially when the deposited fund is minimal and is something they can forfeit. Some gamblers may not mind doing the KYC so that they can withdraw there funds to avoid there accounts being locked.

[mirakal]

Some gamblers may not mind doing the KYC so that they can withdraw there funds to avoid there accounts being locked.

That's an essential requirement, and we absolutely need to comply with it; otherwise, we can kiss our funds goodbye. While some casinos may not implement KYC right away, the moment they do, we should be prepared to comply with it. I don't quite understand why some people still expect that there are reputable casinos these days that don't require KYC. All reputable casinos are now regulated, and therefore, they are obligated to implement such measures.

[maydna]

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You are right about all you have said, I've nothing to disagree with it. But don't you think that casinos should emprove their ToS and their policies to satisfy their clients! If their clients aren't OK with one of their rules, don't you think they should modify that rule to satisfy their clients.

They should if they can. I mean they will probably consider doing something like that if they receive feedback from a lot of clients about the same thing which is to either remove or modify a certain rule that they don't like and if the casino doesn't do it, it will result in those clients leaving the platform completely. In such a situation, the management will be compelled to take at least some action for the satisfaction of their clients just to retain them.

However, if it's just a few people requesting a certain change, I don't really think that the management will even think of it and they don't need to, because if changing that rule would hurt the platform more than the loss of a few gamblers then whey will obviously not be ready to go with that change at all.

Besides that, we must know that casinos also have to comply with the regulator's regulations. If the regulator asks the casino to carry out KYC on its members, the casino must comply. If not, the casino will get into trouble with the regulator, so the casino will only carry out the regulations from the regulator, and they may be forced to change their regulations. Usually, the casino notifies its customers that there have been changes in the rules, and they must agree if members still want to continue gambling at the casino. And there is no compulsion for members to comply with the rules or leave the casino; it is purely the members' choice.

Casinos try to satisfy their clients but must follow the rules of the regulator, so the casinos change their rules. We must be aware of this, and if we want to avoid following the new rules of the casino, we can move to another more friendly casino. It is our choice to stay or look for another casino, and the casino will not force us to stay just because the casino wants to retain its customers.

[Hamphser]

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You are right about all you have said, I've nothing to disagree with it. But don't you think that casinos should emprove their ToS and their policies to satisfy their clients! If their clients aren't OK with one of their rules, don't you think they should modify that rule to satisfy their clients.

They should if they can. I mean they will probably consider doing something like that if they receive feedback from a lot of clients about the same thing which is to either remove or modify a certain rule that they don't like and if the casino doesn't do it, it will result in those clients leaving the platform completely. In such a situation, the management will be compelled to take at least some action for the satisfaction of their clients just to retain them.

However, if it's just a few people requesting a certain change, I don't really think that the management will even think of it and they don't need to, because if changing that rule would hurt the platform more than the loss of a few gamblers then whey will obviously not be ready to go with that change at all.

Besides that, we must know that casinos also have to comply with the regulator's regulations. If the regulator asks the casino to carry out KYC on its members, the casino must comply. If not, the casino will get into trouble with the regulator, so the casino will only carry out the regulations from the regulator, and they may be forced to change their regulations. Usually, the casino notifies its customers that there have been changes in the rules, and they must agree if members still want to continue gambling at the casino. And there is no compulsion for members to comply with the rules or leave the casino; it is purely the members' choice.

Casinos try to satisfy their clients but must follow the rules of the regulator, so the casinos change their rules. We must be aware of this, and if we want to avoid following the new rules of the casino, we can move to another more friendly casino. It is our choice to stay or look for another casino, and the casino will not force us to stay just because the casino wants to retain its customers.

As a business and as act as compliance on what government had stated or put up then  as a business owner then you wont really be having no choice but to comply or follow on whats mandated because if not then you would really be not be able to make such operation and this is why if it would really be that needing for them to impose those things then they would do it rather than not to be able to operate knowing that these businesses could really be that needing to have permits or licenses for them to be considered to be legit specially if you are really that a known business or something that could be regulated.
You would directly be able tell which sites are really that legit and which ones are really that prentending. It is really just that a matter of research and a matter of confirming whether you would really be that
dealing into it or not. We cant really be that so dumb on not to be able to differentiate on whats a legit site and whats not. This is why if you do like to make yourself that free from worries or risks
on losing money due to those shady acts then it would be wise on sticking into those sites that this forum is really that recommending.