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June 09, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
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Why Karma's PoW in particular is dangerously weak.

1. The table below shows that a large amount of Karma is needed to protect the network and demonstrates how the security of the network is getting weaker quickly. The network security is strongly correlated with the rewards under PoW. The gain from an attack is based on two things. The amount of currency currently on the market (seeking to buy the coin) for an instant reward and the total market value of the coin. Naturally therefore the percentage of coins used to secure the network every day is a strong indicator of security, it also allows a much smaller coin to be compared to a larger coin by ignoring market cap (obviously Bitcoin/Litcoin etc are far more secure than Karma due to their comparative sizes).

I believe October 2015 is the first reward halving for Litecoin, making Karma 1/4 as secure as Litecoin even if Karma had the same market cap as Litcoin after the end of the 155 days until then. As you can see from the table above Karma is only getting more insecure over time due to PoW rewards decreasing. PoS will not only be more secure, it will cost 75% less in Karma (not to mention electricity) to secure the network. After the table above Karma will get  weaker and weaker with the number of coins being used to protect the network decreasing compared to the total supply. The reason I'm basing my analysis on Litecoin not DOGE (which is the other main currency Karma is based off and will almost mirror the comparative security of Karma) is because I'd prefer not to follow in the footsteps of a coin that was made as a joke.

2. A large portion of Karma's hashing power is in one pool, if this pool were taken offline or somebody even took control of it then it would make Karma an excellent target.  I don't want to the write percentage of hashing power here because of just how bad it is. If somebody did take control of that pool to maliciously use it then Karma could be completely destroyed with ease because they would be able to maintain the attack for as long as they controlled the pool unless a white knight came to save Karma.

3. Karma does not have much hashing rate in total because the value of the coins is low. Unless Karma overtakes Bitcoin and all other PoW coins it will always suffer from this weakness. It is far more secure to be the biggest than the second biggest PoW coin because the hashing power can't simply be moved. Having said that as Karma's price increases it will be on more radars, which means the other weaknesses I've discussed will make it an excellent target.

Basically there are currently likely to be hundreds if not thousands of entities that have enough hashing power to take control of the Karma network which means they can create as many coins as they want, practically for free. The situation will get dramatically worse in 2 weeks, then again in 85 days, then again in 155 days. I think we should be looking to fix it well within the 85 days. One pool already has control of the network, aren't we just lucky nothing has happened yet?


I'm just trying to understand some of the points you made...

Firstly what is your understanding of how coins secure a PoW network?

Secondly what attack are you suggesting would allow a bad actor to take control over a pool indefinitely?

In response to your points..

1) The fast rate at which this coin was distributed has been our biggest problem. Both in terms of the sheer number of coins being pumped out so quickly and also the rate at which the reward drops off leaving miners with little incentive to hang on for the long haul. This is a problem with many other coins too (as you pointed out with Doge coin)

2) No attacker has any financial incentive at all to completely destroy a coin. The goal of any attack is to take temporary control of the majority of the network so that they can either A) take all the mineable coins for themselves and dump them on exchanges, or B double spend coins that they already control. Attacks such as 51% and Time warp cannot steal or spend your coins, they do not affect users of the network in any way other than to cause problems for transactions while they have control of the network.. to my knowledge it is not possible for a 51% attack to fundamentally break a coin or its network, although it can shake peoples confidence in the system and cause many sleepless nights for the devs. If someone did manage to shut down or take over a pool believe me it wouldn't take long for the miners to notice and then switch over to another pool (hopefully P2Pool where that sort of thing cannot happen)  

3) this weakness applies to all Altcoins that use PoW and is reflected in their respective market caps. Not only that but it is an issue that affects PoS as well when you think about it.. because a small cap PoS coin is very vulnerable to market manipulation and someone gaining 51% of the coin supply. In PoW if someone controls 51% of the network they can only mess with the network while they have control. This can only be temporary because the network can react and correct the situation.. in PoS if someone gains 51% of the coin supply they have control indefinitely, there is nothing anyone can do to take control from someone who has 51% of the coin supply other than for that person to give it up voluntarily. for example.. if some government agency or criminal network hacked the largest stakeholder and seized their wallet which had more than 51% of the coins.. then that organization would effectively be able to print their own coins at virtually no cost.

Ask yourself this... would you buy coins from a network that was controlled by a the government or a criminal syndicate? in my view this is effectively game over for the coin if it ever were to happen. if the same thing happened on a PoW network.. I doubt anyone would be worried too much because the organization that controlled 51% of a PoW coin cant simply print as many coins as they like and if they had control of 51% of the network then they wouldn't for long.

All in all you have some good points about the weakness of Karma.. I certainly agree that there will be some big challenges to be faced by the karma community over the coming months (especially as the block reward begins to drop down to a trickle)

but these issues aren't exclusive to Karma or even to PoW. Ultimately the thing that matters most about the success of a coin is its Network effect (i.e. the amount of individual people who use the coin and how evenly it is distributed)

PoW can lead to centralization of power through the centralizing of mining but the same can be said for PoS. PoS actively promotes the centralization of power by rewarding those who do not spend their coins.. i.e. those who hoard.

I agree that a hybrid solution would probably work best given the circumstances. Whether that be Mixed PoS/PoW OR Merged mining. My preference has always been for Merged mining as the easiest to implement and most efficient solution, but I do also understand why people are asking for PoS.

Thanks for your comments.

I've got a pretty good idea how PoW works so you don't need to worry about that.

I'll let you use your own imagination on how a bad actor could take control of a pool indefinitely. There are other scenarios however that are far more likely so it is not really a major concern.

I'd be far less worried about somebody trying to gain a 51% supply of a PoS coin (or even 5% of a PoS coin) than 51% of the hash rate. They would have far more invested in it and have increased the price so much to get that many coins in the first place they would be shooting themselves in the foot to risk shaking people's confidence in the coin.

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June 09, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
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Breakout possible.
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June 09, 2014, 02:01:02 PM
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Breakout possible.
congratulations not far until btc market!

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June 09, 2014, 02:16:05 PM
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I'll let you use your own imagination on how a bad actor could take control of a pool indefinitely.

surely you could at least explain it to me since I asked nicely? I really am intrigued how someone could take over a pool and yet the owners and miners would not be able to react.


I'd be far less worried about somebody trying to gain a 51% supply of a PoS coin (or even 5% of a PoS coin) than 51% of the hash rate. They would have far more invested in it and have increased the price so much to get that many coins in the first place they would be shooting themselves in the foot to risk shaking people's confidence in the coin.

actually its quite easy to gain 51% of a small cap coin supply.. its incorrect to assume that just because someone is buying large quantities the price will rise continuously thus pricing them out of the market..
if you buy low and sell high then buy low again and repeat you can amass large quantities of coins.. this is exactly how whales operate. the more coins they have the more they can manipulate the market into giving them yet more coins. the only thing one really needs is a sizable chunk of coins, a bit of skill or a bot AND a whole lot of time.

make no mistake.. far from being the cure for centralization PoS will only end up accelerating it.

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June 09, 2014, 02:23:51 PM
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Karma is on FIRE has been trading at a 20% premium from what it was just 24 hours ago with big buy orders that could push it higher by the end of the day.
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June 09, 2014, 02:26:19 PM
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Karma is on FIRE has been trading at a 20% premium from what it was just 24 hours ago with big buy orders that could push it higher by the end of the day.

isn't that exiting? hihi whoot wehee  Grin

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June 09, 2014, 02:30:40 PM
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I'll let you use your own imagination on how a bad actor could take control of a pool indefinitely.

surely you could at least explain it to me since I asked nicely? I really am intrigued how someone could take over a pool and yet the owners and miners would not be able to react.


I'd be far less worried about somebody trying to gain a 51% supply of a PoS coin (or even 5% of a PoS coin) than 51% of the hash rate. They would have far more invested in it and have increased the price so much to get that many coins in the first place they would be shooting themselves in the foot to risk shaking people's confidence in the coin.

actually its quite easy to gain 51% of a small cap coin supply.. its incorrect to assume that just because someone is buying large quantities the price will rise continuously thus pricing them out of the market..
if you buy low and sell high then buy low again and repeat you can amass large quantities of coins.. this is exactly how whales operate. the more coins they have the more they can manipulate the market into giving them yet more coins. the only thing one really needs is a sizable chunk of coins, a bit of skill or a bot AND a whole lot of time.

make no mistake.. far from being the cure for centralization PoS will only end up accelerating it.

we have to consider that Karmashares will own a big chunk of coins when talking pos.

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June 09, 2014, 02:33:12 PM
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Karma is on FIRE has been trading at a 20% premium from what it was just 24 hours ago with big buy orders that could push it higher by the end of the day.

isn't that exiting? hihi whoot wehee  Grin
Yea i just wish it waited until i put in my buy order lol.. But its all good, this is just a taste on whats to come once we hit the BTC market in a couple of weeks. Its indeed very exiting.
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June 09, 2014, 02:34:17 PM
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Karmacoin added to Bidcoind.com as a payment method to buy / sell goods and services with Karmacoin.

Generate buzz for Karmacoin by listing quality items for sale totaly free of charge and merchant mine MTC on the side,

www.bidcoind.com




Everyone is talking about merchant integration for their coin, saying that theirs will be the one,

well if you don't start to demonstrate merchant application for it, then who else will?
CPI - The Consumer Price Index for all Crypto Currencies, what will say more about a crypto currency when there is more quality stuff for sale in exchange.

The API for true trade volume based on actual goods and services. The real economic indicator for a crypto currency.
EXAMPLE:
"user wsxrfv made 1375 MTC at the current exchange rate of 0.17 USD per MTC just for listing an item for sale in exchange for Karmacoin."
Casper just listed an item for sale on Bidcoind.com, he is selling his old laptop in exchange for Karmacoin,
like that is not good enough he is mining 1 MTC block after block at the same rate as the Marinecoin network speed just for listing it.
if someone else does not list an item soon after him, Casper is going to be the richest man in the World.
Who's to stop Casper selling more items in exchange for Karmacoin
Merchant Mining, No hardware required, mineable for the next 1000 years just like the Marinecoin Network Mining.
PAYMENTS & MERCHANTS
pay Karmacoin direct to the seller no middle wallet. start small, gain more feedback comments and go bigger soon your reputation will speak for itself more coins for more positive feedbacks from buyers.

Win Win Win situation

Sell quality stuff for your coin and generate publicity for your favorite coin +1
Get more of the coins you like by selling your new or used items + 1
Get Marinecoins on the side by merchant mining them without extra effort +1

your accounts are credited 0.5 MTC as gift good for listing upto 5 items with basic settings.

make sure you enter a valid Marinecoin client wallet address during registration but not a mobile or web wallet,

no listings for illegal items,
no spam listings items with picture and detailed description ONLY
valid user registration, do not use fake names fake address your account will be suspended
this is as serious as Ebay
Lisitings of 14 days minimum or longer duration required to qualify for mining block rewards
No listings under crypto currencies category, exchanging coins is not a merchant activity.
You will get results within 180 blocks on the network about 6 hours on target network speed, delayed 180 blocks payouts gives time to delist unwanted or illegal listings and listers who spam the site just for getting MTC.

There is feedback area after each successful sale, seller and buyer can give each other feedbacks the more feedback you have the more coins you make by selling your stuff more easyly.

if more than 1 person lists an item during the same block interval they share the block reward of 1 MTC, how ever if more than 10 people list an item in order for you not to lose your listing fee of 0.1 MTC, the reward auto doubles to 0.2 for each seller,

list an item mine block after block until someone else lists an item,

you can sell your items for Karmacoin, you will still get merchant mined Marinecoins,

Mined coins auto cashout to your registered wallet when balance exceeds 5 MTC, but you can also cash out manually if you wish when your balance is below that.

goto www.marinecoin.org to download your MTC wallet to receive your Merchant Mining Block Rewards

then goto www.bidcoind.com register and list an item for sale in Karmacoin and wait for the MTC rewards to flood in to your wallet,

Enjoy
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June 09, 2014, 02:36:08 PM
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Karma is on FIRE has been trading at a 20% premium from what it was just 24 hours ago with big buy orders that could push it higher by the end of the day.

isn't that exiting? hihi whoot wehee  Grin
Yea i just wish it waited until i put in my buy order lol.. But its all good, this is just a taste on whats to come once we hit the BTC market in a couple of weeks. Its indeed very exiting.
wow, just now half of all sell orders till 140 vanished (200ltc). Things getting hot mama!

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June 09, 2014, 03:57:44 PM
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Karmacoin added to Bidcoind.com as a payment method to buy / sell goods and services with Karmacoin.

Generate buzz for Karmacoin by listing quality items for sale totaly free of charge and merchant mine MTC on the side,

www.bidcoind.com




Everyone is talking about merchant integration for their coin, saying that theirs will be the one,

well if you don't start to demonstrate merchant application for it, then who else will?
CPI - The Consumer Price Index for all Crypto Currencies, what will say more about a crypto currency when there is more quality stuff for sale in exchange.

The API for true trade volume based on actual goods and services. The real economic indicator for a crypto currency.
EXAMPLE:
"user wsxrfv made 1375 MTC at the current exchange rate of 0.17 USD per MTC just for listing an item for sale in exchange for Karmacoin."
Casper just listed an item for sale on Bidcoind.com, he is selling his old laptop in exchange for Karmacoin,
like that is not good enough he is mining 1 MTC block after block at the same rate as the Marinecoin network speed just for listing it.
if someone else does not list an item soon after him, Casper is going to be the richest man in the World.
Who's to stop Casper selling more items in exchange for Karmacoin
Merchant Mining, No hardware required, mineable for the next 1000 years just like the Marinecoin Network Mining.
PAYMENTS & MERCHANTS
pay Karmacoin direct to the seller no middle wallet. start small, gain more feedback comments and go bigger soon your reputation will speak for itself more coins for more positive feedbacks from buyers.

Win Win Win situation

Sell quality stuff for your coin and generate publicity for your favorite coin +1
Get more of the coins you like by selling your new or used items + 1
Get Marinecoins on the side by merchant mining them without extra effort +1

your accounts are credited 0.5 MTC as gift good for listing upto 5 items with basic settings.

make sure you enter a valid Marinecoin client wallet address during registration but not a mobile or web wallet,

no listings for illegal items,
no spam listings items with picture and detailed description ONLY
valid user registration, do not use fake names fake address your account will be suspended
this is as serious as Ebay
Lisitings of 14 days minimum or longer duration required to qualify for mining block rewards
No listings under crypto currencies category, exchanging coins is not a merchant activity.
You will get results within 180 blocks on the network about 6 hours on target network speed, delayed 180 blocks payouts gives time to delist unwanted or illegal listings and listers who spam the site just for getting MTC.

There is feedback area after each successful sale, seller and buyer can give each other feedbacks the more feedback you have the more coins you make by selling your stuff more easyly.

if more than 1 person lists an item during the same block interval they share the block reward of 1 MTC, how ever if more than 10 people list an item in order for you not to lose your listing fee of 0.1 MTC, the reward auto doubles to 0.2 for each seller,

list an item mine block after block until someone else lists an item,

you can sell your items for Karmacoin, you will still get merchant mined Marinecoins,

Mined coins auto cashout to your registered wallet when balance exceeds 5 MTC, but you can also cash out manually if you wish when your balance is below that.

goto www.marinecoin.org to download your MTC wallet to receive your Merchant Mining Block Rewards

then goto www.bidcoind.com register and list an item for sale in Karmacoin and wait for the MTC rewards to flood in to your wallet,

Enjoy
Bidcoind.com
direct contact the dev for any questions:
 info@bidcoind.com

I like the idea of selling or buying through our favorite coin (KARMA what else!) So, I will surely use this service. I hope everyone can benefit because of this. I surely would like to find out if this "Win Win Win situation" is true Smiley

500sats yet? hmmmm hehe.

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June 09, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
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POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think
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June 09, 2014, 04:54:55 PM
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Karmacoin added to Bidcoind.com as a payment method to buy / sell goods and services with Karmacoin.

Generate buzz for Karmacoin by listing quality items for sale totaly free of charge and merchant mine MTC on the side,

www.bidcoind.com




Everyone is talking about merchant integration for their coin, saying that theirs will be the one,

well if you don't start to demonstrate merchant application for it, then who else will?
CPI - The Consumer Price Index for all Crypto Currencies, what will say more about a crypto currency when there is more quality stuff for sale in exchange.

The API for true trade volume based on actual goods and services. The real economic indicator for a crypto currency.
EXAMPLE:
"user wsxrfv made 1375 MTC at the current exchange rate of 0.17 USD per MTC just for listing an item for sale in exchange for Karmacoin."
Casper just listed an item for sale on Bidcoind.com, he is selling his old laptop in exchange for Karmacoin,
like that is not good enough he is mining 1 MTC block after block at the same rate as the Marinecoin network speed just for listing it.
if someone else does not list an item soon after him, Casper is going to be the richest man in the World.
Who's to stop Casper selling more items in exchange for Karmacoin
Merchant Mining, No hardware required, mineable for the next 1000 years just like the Marinecoin Network Mining.
PAYMENTS & MERCHANTS
pay Karmacoin direct to the seller no middle wallet. start small, gain more feedback comments and go bigger soon your reputation will speak for itself more coins for more positive feedbacks from buyers.

Win Win Win situation

Sell quality stuff for your coin and generate publicity for your favorite coin +1
Get more of the coins you like by selling your new or used items + 1
Get Marinecoins on the side by merchant mining them without extra effort +1

your accounts are credited 0.5 MTC as gift good for listing upto 5 items with basic settings.

make sure you enter a valid Marinecoin client wallet address during registration but not a mobile or web wallet,

no listings for illegal items,
no spam listings items with picture and detailed description ONLY
valid user registration, do not use fake names fake address your account will be suspended
this is as serious as Ebay
Lisitings of 14 days minimum or longer duration required to qualify for mining block rewards
No listings under crypto currencies category, exchanging coins is not a merchant activity.
You will get results within 180 blocks on the network about 6 hours on target network speed, delayed 180 blocks payouts gives time to delist unwanted or illegal listings and listers who spam the site just for getting MTC.

There is feedback area after each successful sale, seller and buyer can give each other feedbacks the more feedback you have the more coins you make by selling your stuff more easyly.

if more than 1 person lists an item during the same block interval they share the block reward of 1 MTC, how ever if more than 10 people list an item in order for you not to lose your listing fee of 0.1 MTC, the reward auto doubles to 0.2 for each seller,

list an item mine block after block until someone else lists an item,

you can sell your items for Karmacoin, you will still get merchant mined Marinecoins,

Mined coins auto cashout to your registered wallet when balance exceeds 5 MTC, but you can also cash out manually if you wish when your balance is below that.

goto www.marinecoin.org to download your MTC wallet to receive your Merchant Mining Block Rewards

then goto www.bidcoind.com register and list an item for sale in Karmacoin and wait for the MTC rewards to flood in to your wallet,

Enjoy
Bidcoind.com
direct contact the dev for any questions:
 info@bidcoind.com

I like the idea of selling or buying through our favorite coin (KARMA what else!) So, I will surely use this service. I hope everyone can benefit because of this. I surely would like to find out if this "Win Win Win situation" is true Smiley

500sats yet? hmmmm hehe.


Over 300 coins accepted, use the converter on any listing and see if your favorite coin is in there if it is not email me arequest will add it in the next batch, it needs to be added because the wallet management area and payment gateway  area for txid has to be set to support new coins.

Marinecoin payments uses auto fetch technology you just send the payments and and item is marked paid automatically without going back and forth with txid. uses a system similar to blockchain.info

The service started yesterday, first payout are started to go on their way, I have tested it for a few weeks and its very stable, up to 8 cron jobs work at a time to calculate the shares and payout and filters, if you list an item check MTC block height and check again when someone after you lists an item the block amount in between that time is your MTC reward times 1 MTC, wait 180 blocks and they are in your wallet, entire process is automated, the 180 block delay is to randomly check and remove if someone is listing spam auctions.

if you list at the same block with someone else than you share the reward equally until the end of the mining streak.


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June 09, 2014, 04:56:10 PM
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POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think

I see a potential for Karma to stabilize at 150 litoshi today, and start growing again next week.

But only if the holders realize the potential of the coin and ecosystem that is being created.
I really think more people have been realizing the true potential of Karma Smiley

If you are not sure about what to mine... Mine Karma coins.
You will thank me in the near future (days/weeks) when the coin is worth more than 500 litoshi (4x what it is worth now).

And in the next 2 or 3 months... With all the projects that are being worked on, who knows? Maybe it will be worth 50000 litoshi each!

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June 09, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
 #2115

POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think

I see a potential for Karma to stabilize at 150 litoshi today, and start growing again next week.

But only if the holders realize the potential of the coin and ecosystem that is being created.
I really think more people have been realizing the true potential of Karma Smiley

If you are not sure about what to mine... Mine Karma coins.
You will thank me in the near future (days/weeks) when the coin is worth more than 500 litoshi (4x what it is worth now).

And in the next 2 or 3 months... With all the projects that are being worked on, who knows? Maybe it will be worth 50000 litoshi each!

I also expect over 100 satoshi
because karma has 2~3 different things
It will make this coin "real valuable"
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June 09, 2014, 05:18:10 PM
 #2116

POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think

I see a potential for Karma to stabilize at 150 litoshi today, and start growing again next week.

But only if the holders realize the potential of the coin and ecosystem that is being created.
I really think more people have been realizing the true potential of Karma Smiley

If you are not sure about what to mine... Mine Karma coins.
You will thank me in the near future (days/weeks) when the coin is worth more than 500 litoshi (4x what it is worth now).

And in the next 2 or 3 months... With all the projects that are being worked on, who knows? Maybe it will be worth 50000 litoshi each!

I also expect over 100 satoshi
because karma has 2~3 different things
It will make this coin "real valuable"

I mean as long as we are below something like maxcoin any Karma price is just a present for free. Sorry maxcoin fans but I witnessed the release....

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June 09, 2014, 05:19:01 PM
 #2117

POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think

I see a potential for Karma to stabilize at 150 litoshi today, and start growing again next week.

But only if the holders realize the potential of the coin and ecosystem that is being created.
I really think more people have been realizing the true potential of Karma Smiley

If you are not sure about what to mine... Mine Karma coins.
You will thank me in the near future (days/weeks) when the coin is worth more than 500 litoshi (4x what it is worth now).

And in the next 2 or 3 months... With all the projects that are being worked on, who knows? Maybe it will be worth 50000 litoshi each!

I also expect over 100 satoshi
because karma has 2~3 different things
It will make this coin "real valuable"

I mean as long as we are below something like maxcoin any Karma price is just a present for free

Nicely put!  Eheh Smiley

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June 09, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
 #2118

POW is most simple and powerful

Karma need some more hash

cloud mining business is good I think

I see a potential for Karma to stabilize at 150 litoshi today, and start growing again next week.

But only if the holders realize the potential of the coin and ecosystem that is being created.
I really think more people have been realizing the true potential of Karma Smiley

If you are not sure about what to mine... Mine Karma coins.
You will thank me in the near future (days/weeks) when the coin is worth more than 500 litoshi (4x what it is worth now).

And in the next 2 or 3 months... With all the projects that are being worked on, who knows? Maybe it will be worth 50000 litoshi each!

I also expect over 100 satoshi
because karma has 2~3 different things
It will make this coin "real valuable"

I mean as long as we are below something like maxcoin any Karma price is just a present for free. Sorry maxcoin fans but I witnessed the release....

Oh Max!
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June 09, 2014, 05:38:36 PM
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Guys, we are still looking for someone who can bring more friends and value to Karma by translating some texts in Italian and Russian. If you can do it, please help. A fund was raised with 4 million until now. So, if you don`t want to do it for free, you will get some KARMA. Also if anyone think that he is willing to donate some on this, he/she should know that I will back up every donation with 10% on top until 20 million. If 5 million are donated, I will add 500 K, if 10 million, I will donate 1 mill and etc.
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June 09, 2014, 05:41:25 PM
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Guys, we are still looking for someone who can bring more friends and value to Karma by translating some texts in Italian and Russian. If you can do it, please help. A fund was raised with 4 million until now. So, if you don`t want to do it for free, you will get some KARMA. Also if anyone think that he is willing to donate some on this, he/she should know that I will back up every donation with 10% on top until 20 million. If 5 million are donated, I will add 500 K, if 10 million, I will donate 1 mill and etc.

can you give the address again?

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