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June 27, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
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Does anyone know if this pool: http://karma.p2pool.altcoin.dk/ still has the 20% bonus on every block active?


I believe there are no 20% bonus here.
I mined in the "classic" pools and in this p2p pool. I saw no difference, I've got the same amount of coins in 24 hrs.

you are a very negative person since you started popping up here... i've just been testing out mining at this pool and if i look in my wallet i have 2 payouts, one of 190 karma and one straight away of 38 karma.. and guess what 20% of 190 is 38 so the 20% payout is working

Nope dude, I mined for KARM in both types of pools and I received the SAME amount in 24 hours ! This is displaying my wallet. PERIOD.
I have already a theory about your 20% bonus and this suddenly change of algo..  To the andromeda galaxy via BTC market, right ?
BTW, this dude easteagle13 still owe my the bounty for following on Twitter. Never paid to me, and this made me  suspicious and I start some investigations.  Cool
Good luck with your coin!

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June 27, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
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Hi everybody,

This is just from me as I think that we missed a point with promoting the change in the algorithm: X11 is only one aspect

Next to X11 we implement:

Automatic Checkpointing to prevent transaction rollback via 51% attacks.
Time Travel limitation to reduce the ability for attackers to try and force on old or too-new blocks to change difficulty adjust behaviour.
An improved retargeting solution in Nite's Gravity Well. This will allow us to respond quickly to hash rate changes and recovery from high difficulty.


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June 27, 2014, 11:15:54 PM
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KarmaTeam, I was observing all of the pools from the first page of this thread. What I have found is:

https://www.minep.it/pool/karm/ - wrong KARMA website. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it to http://www.karmacoin.me/. Also, their url was pointing to the old bitcointalk thread. You understand why this is not acceptable. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it. Their coins are in different sections based on the hashing algo. Remind them to move KARMA in X11 section when the time is right. I didn`t find block reward info, so no need to update info.

http://karma.poolsofhonor.com/ - please remove this pool from first page here and wiki, because it is shutting down.

https://chunkypools.com/ - On the left drop down menu there is no KARM! WTF chunky?!!? Is KARMA there or not? And one more thing. To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, cause their support ticketing...doesn`t work. Please contact them if you know how to do it.

http://karma.miners-point.com/ - To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, because when I tried to, an "Access Denied! Your address is blacklisted. More information about this error may be available in the server error log." pop up. If you can, contact them to update the info.

http://karm.multi-pool.eu/  - the old logo appears. I know this is tricky, but if you can, contact them to change it.

http://xhash.net/ - KarmaCoin Information - BitcoinTalk url is pointed to the old thread. Imagine what people will find there...Block Explorer - pointed to http://explorer.karmacoin.info/ - guess what is there...  Reddit - going to the old thread, where new miners will find one insane man. Twitter - just the same. Facebook - old thread. For exchanges only Mintpal is given. I`ve send them ticket to update all of this bul$h17.

Try to keep up with the mining polls, cause they are way more important then social medias. When you are updating info here, reddit, twitter, facebook and etc, please contact also all the mining pools with request to update their sites. Each crypto currency is an IT service in some way. You know that each IT service has 5 phases in its life cycle. For Strategy, Design, Transition and Continual Service Improvement you have control almost at 100%. But for Operations you can not control, you can influence a little bit. But as you know this phase is where the service (KARMA) is benefiting and almost 60% of the expenses (resources) are spent in this phase. And you probably remember what the Danish proverb says: "When you have a clock in your house, you know the time. Once you get two clocks you are no longer certain." So all of the info should be just the same and actual on all info resources. Especially mining pools. A big thing like algo switching is coming, but if I go to the mining pools and search for a new coin to mine, how can I be attracted to KARMA with the old info? What I am suggesting is, when you coordinate your efforts to update all media with the new info, don`t forget mining pools, because the users of KARMA (service) are operating and contributing and benefiting there.
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June 27, 2014, 11:24:06 PM
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KarmaTeam, I was observing all of the pools from the first page of this thread. What I have found is:

https://www.minep.it/pool/karm/ - wrong KARMA website. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it to http://www.karmacoin.me/. Also, their url was pointing to the old bitcointalk thread. You understand why this is not acceptable. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it. Their coins are in different sections based on the hashing algo. Remind them to move KARMA in X11 section when the time is right. I didn`t find block reward info, so no need to update info.

http://karma.poolsofhonor.com/ - please remove this pool from first page here and wiki, because it is shutting down.

https://chunkypools.com/ - On the left drop down menu there is no KARM! WTF chunky?!!? Is KARMA there or not? And one more thing. To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, cause their support ticketing...doesn`t work. Please contact them if know how to do it.

http://karma.miners-point.com/ - To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, because when I tried to, an "Access Denied! Your address is blacklisted. More information about this error may be available in the server error log." pop up. If you can, contact them to update the info.

http://karm.multi-pool.eu/  - the old logo appears. I know this is tricky, but if you can, contact them to change it.

http://xhash.net/ - KarmaCoin Information - BitcoinTalk url is pointed to the old thread. Imagine what people will find there...Block Explorer - pointed to http://explorer.karmacoin.info/ - guess what is there...  Reddit - going to the old thread, where new miners will find one insane man. Twitter - just the same. Facebook - old thread. For exchanges only Mintpal is given. I`ve send them ticket to update all of this bul$h17.

Try to keep up with the mining polls, cause they are way more important then social medias. When you are updating info here, reddit, twitter, facebook and etc, please contact also all the mining pools with request to update their sites. Each crypto currency is an IT service in some way. You know that each IT service has 5 phases in its life cycle. For Strategy, Design, Transition and Continual Service Improvement you have control almost at 100%. But for Operations you can not control, you can influence a little bit. But as you know this phase is where the service (KARMA) is benefiting and almost 60% of the expenses (resources) are spent in this phase. And you probably remember what the Danish proverb that says: "When you have a clock in your house, you know the time. Once you get two clocks you are no longer certain." So all of the info should be just the same and actual on all info resources. Especially mining pools. A big thing like algo switching is coming, but if I go to the mining pools and search for a new coin to mine, how can I be attracted to KARMA with the old info? What I am suggesting is, when you coordinate your efforts to update all media with the new info, don`t forget mining pools, because the users of KARMA "service" are operating and contributing and benefiting there.

You are absolutly right. There was alot of action recently. To the community: Karmateam is no closed circle of some mysterious devs! Everybody is Karmateam. Please help us to achieve our common goals! This is a perfect example how community members can help to get Karma full speed. Somebody, step up and synch the data with the pools. Together we get this running! Visit our fourm and post that you want to help to get the links on the pools right

http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php

We will do it of course if nobody steps up but see this as perfect example to get involved.

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June 27, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
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Does anyone know if this pool: http://karma.p2pool.altcoin.dk/ still has the 20% bonus on every block active?


I believe there are no 20% bonus here.
I mined in the "classic" pools and in this p2p pool. I saw no difference, I've got the same amount of coins in 24 hrs.

you are a very negative person since you started popping up here... i've just been testing out mining at this pool and if i look in my wallet i have 2 payouts, one of 190 karma and one straight away of 38 karma.. and guess what 20% of 190 is 38 so the 20% payout is working
I run the p2pool. Regular 20% bonuses have been going out since this block http://explorer.karmacoin.me/block/eb50702d05a5df0e5917a4bda41b035dce7be939ffddf260730aa801831ee527

Bonuses are paid because some karmic people donated ~20 mio karma.

I have missed the first two tx ids but i can show you the tx id for the bonus from the third block and forward.

The third block http://explorer.karmacoin.me/block/ce58edf7d9e47d425935695fb6b56a3667d5bbf23f59a780d95b216a9053c284
Tx id for the bonuses http://explorer.karmacoin.me/tx/f796cf2f87b3045e9bb31f7c7908f794063c9b2f078c9ef47d695ae4651a6fda

One of the newest blocks http://explorer.karmacoin.me/block/c6cc6bf0c8c157c63fafff1bbca7815e21fdf2cde76b5171c855225cef2bb12a
Tx id for the bonuses http://explorer.karmacoin.me/tx/47ab3878f6f53eaace0890e6132f257c87c14750be7484f130d46ace88d7f795

Now... the bonuses do not exactly match up to block rewards, in the newest block someone mines 11954.18750638 but is paid     2424.07006247 instead of exactly 2390.837501276. The reason for this small discrepancy is because the donation script runs once a minute and the payout may have changed slightly from when the block was found.

I don't know what else to say. Crocko post a link to one of the blocks you mined on p2pool where you did not get your bonus.

Someone also asked about the "Stratum from pool 0 requested work restart". It's because p2pool runs its own internal blockchain that is faster than the karma blockchain. It has no impact on your mining at all. You will still see the same amount of coins.
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June 27, 2014, 11:29:39 PM
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May be you will find this is a dump question but i found some old Karmacoin in old wallet and start to thinking Is there a way to use them? I mean like new karma? Or they are old and inconsistent with new coins?

not a dump question at all.. I am happy you held to your coins.

what wallet version is it?  in you wallet go to Help - Debug Window and look where it says client version in Information Tab

Are you synched in as well?
My client version is v0.8.6.2.4-g000002-beta
Not synching. It is stays at "3 weeks behind" ( 167856 block )
Can I install new version wallet and put old wallet.dat in to new wallet folder? Or it is not working like that?
thanks   

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June 27, 2014, 11:37:16 PM
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Does anyone know if this pool: http://karma.p2pool.altcoin.dk/ still has the 20% bonus on every block active?


I believe there are no 20% bonus here.
I mined in the "classic" pools and in this p2p pool. I saw no difference, I've got the same amount of coins in 24 hrs.

you are a very negative person since you started popping up here... i've just been testing out mining at this pool and if i look in my wallet i have 2 payouts, one of 190 karma and one straight away of 38 karma.. and guess what 20% of 190 is 38 so the 20% payout is working

Nope dude, I mined for KARM in both types of pools and I received the SAME amount in 24 hours ! This is displaying my wallet. PERIOD.
I have already a theory about your 20% bonus and this suddenly change of algo..  To the andromeda galaxy via BTC market, right ?
BTW, this dude easteagle13 still owe my the bounty for following on Twitter. Never paid to me, and this made me  suspicious and I start some investigations.  Cool
Good luck with your coin!

If you only have witnessed and followed us from the very start, you will never be suspicious of anyone here! We are true and committed to this coin in any capacity that we have... those involved in the spread of this coin we can vouch to the integrity and dedication to every member seen working for Karma day and night... if you have a concern... be involved and know the very person, send a personal message... address it first nicely.. have patience... rather than have doubts into anyone's commitment!
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June 27, 2014, 11:51:13 PM
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KarmaTeam, I was observing all of the pools from the first page of this thread. What I have found is:

https://www.minep.it/pool/karm/ - wrong KARMA website. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it to http://www.karmacoin.me/. Also, their url was pointing to the old bitcointalk thread. You understand why this is not acceptable. I`ve send them a support ticket to change it. Their coins are in different sections based on the hashing algo. Remind them to move KARMA in X11 section when the time is right. I didn`t find block reward info, so no need to update info.

http://karma.poolsofhonor.com/ - please remove this pool from first page here and wiki, because it is shutting down.

https://chunkypools.com/ - On the left drop down menu there is no KARM! WTF chunky?!!? Is KARMA there or not? And one more thing. To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, cause their support ticketing...doesn`t work. Please contact them if know how to do it.

http://karma.miners-point.com/ - To download wallet, I have to go to the old bitcointalk thread.... It should be changed to our official site - http://www.karmacoin.me/. I didn`t send them support ticket, because when I tried to, an "Access Denied! Your address is blacklisted. More information about this error may be available in the server error log." pop up. If you can, contact them to update the info.

http://karm.multi-pool.eu/  - the old logo appears. I know this is tricky, but if you can, contact them to change it.

http://xhash.net/ - KarmaCoin Information - BitcoinTalk url is pointed to the old thread. Imagine what people will find there...Block Explorer - pointed to http://explorer.karmacoin.info/ - guess what is there...  Reddit - going to the old thread, where new miners will find one insane man. Twitter - just the same. Facebook - old thread. For exchanges only Mintpal is given. I`ve send them ticket to update all of this bul$h17.

Try to keep up with the mining polls, cause they are way more important then social medias. When you are updating info here, reddit, twitter, facebook and etc, please contact also all the mining pools with request to update their sites. Each crypto currency is an IT service in some way. You know that each IT service has 5 phases in its life cycle. For Strategy, Design, Transition and Continual Service Improvement you have control almost at 100%. But for Operations you can not control, you can influence a little bit. But as you know this phase is where the service (KARMA) is benefiting and almost 60% of the expenses (resources) are spent in this phase. And you probably remember what the Danish proverb that says: "When you have a clock in your house, you know the time. Once you get two clocks you are no longer certain." So all of the info should be just the same and actual on all info resources. Especially mining pools. A big thing like algo switching is coming, but if I go to the mining pools and search for a new coin to mine, how can I be attracted to KARMA with the old info? What I am suggesting is, when you coordinate your efforts to update all media with the new info, don`t forget mining pools, because the users of KARMA "service" are operating and contributing and benefiting there.

You are absolutly right. There was alot of action recently. To the community: Karmateam is no closed circle of some mysterious devs! Everybody is Karmateam. Please help us to achieve our common goals! This is a perfect example how community members can help to get Karma full speed. Somebody, step up and synch the data with the pools. Together we get this running! Visit our fourm and post that you want to help to get the links on the pools right

http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php

We will do it of course if nobody steps up but see this as perfect example to get involved.

I created a [TASK] in our forum http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,384.0.html

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June 28, 2014, 12:03:37 AM
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Hi everybody,

This is just from me as I think that we missed a point with promoting the change in the algorithm: X11 is only one aspect

Next to X11 we implement:

Automatic Checkpointing to prevent transaction rollback via 51% attacks.
Time Travel limitation to reduce the ability for attackers to try and force on old or too-new blocks to change difficulty adjust behaviour.
An improved retargeting solution in Nite's Gravity Well. This will allow us to respond quickly to hash rate changes and recovery from high difficulty.


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June 28, 2014, 12:13:31 AM
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Can't get my karmacoin-qt to sync

it's stuck

Help please? Grin
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June 28, 2014, 12:21:51 AM
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May be you will find this is a dump question but i found some old Karmacoin in old wallet and start to thinking Is there a way to use them? I mean like new karma? Or they are old and inconsistent with new coins?

not a dump question at all.. I am happy you held to your coins.

what wallet version is it?  in you wallet go to Help - Debug Window and look where it says client version in Information Tab

Are you synched in as well?
My client version is v0.8.6.2.4-g000002-beta
Not synching. It is stays at "3 weeks behind" ( 167856 block )
Can I install new version wallet and put old wallet.dat in to new wallet folder? Or it is not working like that?
thanks  

Yes. You should be okay to synch up with this version. But its best you update.
But fist synch up with your current old wallet. Follow the steps below

To synch up.

Code:
in your wallet go to help | debug window | console and type in:

addnode altcoin.dk:9432 add

addnode altcoin.dk:9436 add

close the popup window, wait for your wallet to start syncing.Wait up to 15-30 mins


Then once you are updated. Download the newest wallet from the first page. Remove karmacoin-qt.exe and move the new karma-qt.exe that you downloaded. Run that and you should be up to date Smiley

Edit: i just realized that the if you run the new karma-qt.exe it will install a new folder under /app data/roaming/karma/

You old wallet might be under /app data/roaming/karmacoin/

If this is the case?HuhHuh
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June 28, 2014, 12:31:44 AM
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Can't get my karmacoin-qt to sync

it's stuck

Help please? Grin

Info how to synch is on the main post


in your wallet go to help | debug window | console and type in:

addnode altcoin.dk:9432 add

addnode altcoin.dk:9436 add

close the popup window, wait for your wallet to start syncing.Wait up to 15-30 mins
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June 28, 2014, 12:33:45 AM
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From the P2pool page:

"I have received 22 mio karma in donations that will be used to pay a 20% bonus reward to miners.
 This means you should see a 20% increase in your payouts until the donation runs out.
 At the current rate we will have bonuses for the next 20 days (July 15th). "

My wallet has been receiving the 20% from the gitgo. When I look at the payout on the mining site, sometimes its dead on 20% with same block number sometimes a few numbers away, sometimes not there at all. I dunno. sort of bouncing around.
Not here for the 20% Just like mining the coin.

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June 28, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
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Hi everybody,

This is just from me as I think that we missed a point with promoting the change in the algorithm: X11 is only one aspect

Next to X11 we implement:

Automatic Checkpointing to prevent transaction rollback via 51% attacks.
Time Travel limitation to reduce the ability for attackers to try and force on old or too-new blocks to change difficulty adjust behaviour.
An improved retargeting solution in Nite's Gravity Well. This will allow us to respond quickly to hash rate changes and recovery from high difficulty.


KarmaKaguy


sorry for spamming but I think this is important


This is extremly important and it's not getting the recognition it deserves. We're putting a lot of code to strengthen the network. Tons of system defense to minimize any exploit. Put an end to time warps and cut off the code from releasing faster blocks.
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June 28, 2014, 12:36:31 AM
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Hi everybody,

This is just from me as I think that we missed a point with promoting the change in the algorithm: X11 is only one aspect

Next to X11 we implement:

Automatic Checkpointing to prevent transaction rollback via 51% attacks.
Time Travel limitation to reduce the ability for attackers to try and force on old or too-new blocks to change difficulty adjust behaviour.
An improved retargeting solution in Nite's Gravity Well. This will allow us to respond quickly to hash rate changes and recovery from high difficulty.


KarmaKaguy


sorry for spamming but I think this is important


This is extremly important and it's not getting the recognition it deserves. We're putting a lot of code to strengthen the network. Tons of system defense to minimize any exploit. Out an end to time warps and cut off the code from releasing faster blocks.

exactly, this will give the exchanges the confidence to give us our btc market back.

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June 28, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
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May be you will find this is a dump question but i found some old Karmacoin in old wallet and start to thinking Is there a way to use them? I mean like new karma? Or they are old and inconsistent with new coins?

they are the same coins, you just need to update to the latest wallet software in order to spend them.

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June 28, 2014, 03:32:32 AM
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GOOD NEWS #1 Karma Will Adopt the X11 Hashing Method!!! http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php?topic=381.0


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X11:
Good.

Automatic Checkpointing to prevent transaction rollback via 51% attacks.
Great if done correctly, could be catastrophic mistake if not.

Time Travel limitation to reduce the ability for attackers to try and force on old or too-new blocks to change difficulty adjust behaviour.
Excellent.

An improved retargeting solution in Nite's Gravity Well. This will allow us to respond quickly to hash rate changes and recovery from high difficulty. This will also help prevent against multipools abuse.
Excellent.

Quote from: kosmost in official announcement
I thought we were going PoS?

As some of you may know, we have debated implementing various changes to core Karma over the past couple of months. We've considered PoS, PoSV, DPoS, PoS 2.0, PoI, PoN, and several others. Some of our community called for an immediate switch to PoS, which we were open to but wanted to spend more time researching. After talks with other devs, miners, users, and a crypto-economist we decided that the combination of X11 with a separate PoW/PoS sidechain would be best for the overall health of the coin and economy.

While PoS is interesting from the store-of-value perspective, we are not focusing only on that aspect of the coin. We are focusing on creating a micro-economic system within the traditional crypto world. This means that our plan is to create a self-sufficient network of coins, services, and other value-adds such as Karmashares, where we will be able to augment weaknesses of one protocol with benefits of the other. With this in mind the idea of the PoS sidechain is to generate greater security for our coin and also lay the foundation for future endeavors we are planning as a community. These will focus on breaking the chasm between crypto and real world economics, thereby enabling us to enter the profitability loop and to become our own engine of growth without relying on others.

What is the Second Announcement?

Our second big announcement is hinted at above, and will be posted in another thread.

I hope if there is a "side chain" that is meant to be checkpointing Karma it isn't Karmashares under any algorithm or combination thereof (being PoS+PoW or whatever) because that would be a catastrophic mistake if done poorly and a big mistake if done correctly.

Just making Karmashares PoW or PoS or anything in itself could be a major mistake.

Even making Karmashares easily tradeable could be a big mistake.

I will not post why nor answer why by private message. I'm already shooting myself in the foot enough by posting this in the vain hope that it can avert problems before they arise.

Yes this is worth posting even if it is highly confrontational.

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June 28, 2014, 03:51:42 AM
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I hope if there is a "side chain" that is meant to be checkpointing Karma it isn't Karmashares under any algorithm or combination thereof (being PoS+PoW or whatever) because that would be a catastrophic mistake if done poorly and a big mistake if done correctly.

Just making Karmashares PoW or PoS or anything in itself could be a major mistake.

Even making Karmashares easily tradeable could be a big mistake.

I will not post why nor answer why by private message. I'm already shooting myself in the foot enough by posting this in the vain hope that it can avert problems before they arise.

Yes this is worth posting even if it is highly confrontational.

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These announcements are not about Karmashares, but Karma coin  Smiley

What makes you think it has anything to do with Karmashares?


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June 28, 2014, 03:52:54 AM
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Easteagle is a friend! Everybody who is a problem with him has a problem with me. However, the thing with Karma is that results are related to its causes... and will fall back on those who are responsable. So, no need for fighting those who do wrong. And of course, this is cryptoworld. Much fraud, such sad. Understandable that people are suspicious....

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June 28, 2014, 04:28:41 AM
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I hope if there is a "side chain" that is meant to be checkpointing Karma it isn't Karmashares under any algorithm or combination thereof (being PoS+PoW or whatever) because that would be a catastrophic mistake if done poorly and a big mistake if done correctly.

Just making Karmashares PoW or PoS or anything in itself could be a major mistake.

Even making Karmashares easily tradeable could be a big mistake.

I will not post why nor answer why by private message. I'm already shooting myself in the foot enough by posting this in the vain hope that it can avert problems before they arise.

Yes this is worth posting even if it is highly confrontational.

Chargin.

These announcements are not about Karmashares, but Karma coin  Smiley

What makes you think it has anything to do with Karmashares?



Thanks. Based on previous comments that were made and in particular reading into what I just quoted from you. I guessed 40% chance of what I commented on above, 40% chance of what I want and 20% chance of something I never even thought of. I'm probably underestimating the what I never thought of but I'm always confident. Tongue

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